Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 7.6.22–25 – March 8, 1971, Calcutta

[SB 7.6.22]

Devotee: Srila Prabhupada's morning lecture on the 8th, 1971, March. Came a bit later in, the day.

Prabhupada: ...Becomes present no. The stone is also another kind of energy, material energy. Eh? Just like you do not know that this nail is very hard, very hard. You cut your nail you don't feel but just a half an inch below if you cut your skin, you feel. That does not mean this nail is not production of my body. Is it not? Eh? Even there is no sensation in the nail. That does not mean that it is not production of my body. Similarly even if you see a stone without any life that does not mean it is without Krsna. It is another Krsna energy. That is called external energy.

Just like we can see and do not see. The nail you do not feel sensation, just below the nail you feel sensation. Eh? So the skin is also produced by my energy and the nail is also produced by my energy but in one place I do not perceive in another place I perceive.

Material, what is this material world? Material world where Krsna is not perceived. It appears Krsna is absent, it is something else. That is nail when you forget Krsna. The place is such nail that here forgetfulness of Krsna is stronger, not sensation. Otherwise Krsna... It is Krsna's energy. Krsna, this forgetful is also Krsna's energy. It is stated in the Srimad Bhagavad-gita:

Jnanam-sensation, then perception. Apohanam no [indistinct]. Everything is emanating. Eh? This is contradictory, acintya. We may argue how is that? In one place there is perception and in another place there is no perception, how they can be of the same source, same energy. Therefore acintya. Everything Krsna's acintya, you can earn, adjust but there is adjustment in higher level of understanding.

He is personally vyapaka-localized, but His energy is vyapya. It spreads everywhere in His creation.

So Krsna can be realized, kevalanubhava. Kevalanubhava means-you can understand. Eh? Even though you cannot see face to face. One who is advanced he can understand. Just like in this body you do not see what is the soul. A dead man, when a man is dying you do not know what is that particle, spirit soul is passing. How it is passing? No scientist [indistinct] man. No medical man can [indistinct] out but he can feel it that the soul is gone-anubhava. This is called anubhava. Anubhava.

So this anubhavananda this as you are advanced in Krsna consciousness that anubhavananda-feelings-feelings from feelings you-have a spiritual bliss. Anubhavananda svarūpaḥ. Not that Krsna is impersonal, Krsna is void. He is person but in our present position because we have got blunt material senses it is not possible to see Him face-to-face. But anubhavananda but saintly persons, advanced devotees they see Krsna's presence and they derive transcendental bliss in that. Anubhavananda svarūpaḥ.

Kevalanubhavananda-svarūpaḥ paramesvaraḥ. Svarūpaḥ, svarūpaḥ means-form, paramesvaraḥ-the Supreme Personality of Godhead. See; a devotee, advanced devotee sees Krsna is present here. He's talking with me, He's dancing. Everything-anubhavananda. Anubhavananda svarūpaḥ.

Just like Prahlada Maharaja and Hiranyakasipu. When Prahlada Maharaja was..., and his father was just trying to kill him with his sword. So the boy was seeing on the, what's it called? Pillar. Or what is called?

Devotee: Column?

Prabhupada: Column, yes. He was seeing on the column, because he challenged, "Where is your Krsna." He said, "Krsna is everywhere." And immediately he was seeing on the column. So Hiranyakasipu immediately to disrupt, "Is He there in the column?" Attack. So the same place, Hiranyakasipu was there and Prahlada was there. He is seeing but he cannot see. Just like when Krsna manifested his virat-rūpa, Arjuna saw, not others. Similarly one who is advanced devotee he is sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti [Bs 5.38]. 24 hours he is seeing Krsna minimum, anubhavananda.

Kevalanubhavananda-svarūpaḥ paramesvaraḥ. Kevalanubhavananda not like sahajiyas. Oh we have struggled [?] nights, I went to such and such place. I saw Krsna's rasa-liladancing. You know. The Gosvamis they anubhavananda, their, their process of devotional service was anubhavananda. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also exhibited this anubhavananda. "Where is Krsna, where is Krsna?" He is jumping on the water, in the sea. And similarly Gosvamis also. He radhe vraja-devike ca lalite he nanda-sūno kutaḥ [Saḍ-gosvamy-astaka, 8].

"I am feeling that You are somewhere here, but where You are?" This is anubhavananda. He radhe vraja-devike ca lalite he nanda-sūno kutaḥ. No advanced devotee will say that Krsna was talking last night with me. There is many books like that. One book was presented by the group Vijaya Krishna Goswami group. There is a book like that. Hm. Krsna is coming and talking just like a boy, in this way describe. There is another group like that in Poona, Lilyfry [?] He and his women they also write like that. Krsna was snatching his cloth, harried [?] and took his soul. There is. But we do not find all this nonsense in the life of Gosvamis or Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This is called sahajiyaism.

Here also it is said anubhavananda, kevalanubhavananda-svarūpaḥ paramesvaraḥ. One should see paramesvaraḥ, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as Caitanya Mahaprabhu saw it or the Gosvamis saw it. They knew Krsna is somewhere in the vraja-pure, in the Vrajabhūmi. Krsna is somewhere, must be somewhere here but he does not see. He sees the presence and he touch him.

Their business is that Krsna is somewhere here. I cannot see, "So where are You Krsna? Where are You Krsna?" So in this way they are crying and wandering all over the vraja-pure. Khedair-I cannot see You. You are here but I cannot... I am so sinful I cannot see you. Khedair maha-vihvalau-just like madness. This is called vihvalau, vihvalau, bhajana by separation. Always feeling Krsna's presence at the same time that he cannot see-in this way.

But He is not within this material world. Mayayantarhitaisvarya, He is present in Goloka Vrndavana and still He is present everywhere. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhūto [Bs 5.37]. His place is at.., His abode is in Goloka Vrndavana but a still He is everywhere.

[pause]

This is the beginning, Bhagavata darsana-worshipping the Lord by the arcana-marga. Sri-vigrahara-sri-vigraha the form of the Lord. Aradhana-worshiping. Sri-vigraharadhana-nitya-nana, srhgara-and various kinds of dress and decorating. Tan-mandira-marjanadi asu [?] This is the beginning according to the rules and regulations described in the sastras, one has to begin this vidhi bhakti. Prescribed duties in devotional service. Everyone should learn how to worship, there is a beginning. But if you simply remain in that way. Of course one cannot remain, we make advance. Na tad-bhaktesu canyesu [?]. One is stateless.

Ah,.. The other day perhaps some of you accompanied me in that buy this house. That somebody went to call Baka and he came. That he is now busy. He's busy in worshipping the Deity and in one hour he will not be free. Kanistha-adhikari, in the lower stage. Because he does not know how to respect the devotees.

He is thinking that he is very busy in worshipping the Deity but does not show respect to a devotee. He is kanistha-adhikari. But here Prahlada Maharaja recommends:

That you, you should know that Krsna is present everywhere. So for Krsna's service everything should be engaged. This is madhyama-adhikari. Prahlada Maharaja is recommending to his friends to become madhyama-adhikari, not kanistha-adhikari. Kanistha-adhikari they may be very much expert in worshipping the Deity, that is also required. But at the same time they should learn how to do good to others. How to respect a devotee. If he does not know that: na tad-bhaktesu sa bhaktaḥ prakrtaḥ smrtaḥ. He is prakrtaḥ-material devotee. There is two positions by following the rules and regulations as described in the sastras. From the material platform we gradually rise to the transcendental platform. But if you simply stick to the material platform do not make improvement. Then that is, That happens. So, "I am busy now. I am now busy for one hour. I cannot see a devotee although he is at my door." This is kanistha-adhikari.

So Prahlada Maharaja recommends that you, dayam kuruta sauhrdam. Because Krsna is everywhere, so if, if you show your mercy to everyone. What is that mercy? To call him into Krsna consciousness. That is my [mercy]. Just try to engage everything in Krsna's service. Try to convert everyone to Krsna consciousness, dayam kuruta sauhrdam. Bhavam asuram unmucya yaya tusyaty adhoksajaḥ and give up this demoniac principals. What is God? Demoniac principle-what is God? God is everywhere you have to learn the art how to see Him and how to serve Him.

This is asura-bhava-what is God? Can you show me? Why don't you see? You will see, if you don't see now, you will see at the time of death. How God is. You'll see. Just wait for that moment. That time you cannot say, "Oh, can you show me God? Can you show me God?" "Yes, here is God." Just like Hiranyakasipu, "Here is God." Uuuum! Bas, Finished. [Laughter] so if you want to see God like that, then you wait you will see. You cannot say there is no God. There is God. But He will be present in a different way. He will be present in a different... Huh? For a devotee: premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [Bs 5.38]. He is seeing God everywhere, every time. You do not see every, everywhere, every time God. All right, wait for it, that's all. You'll see God. Krsna says: mrtyuḥ sarva-haram aham [Bg 10.34]

"I am with you at death. When I take away everything." Sarva-haram. That is I am; definition. So why don't you see God? Don't you see, another man dies, you will see also, at that time. You'll see Yamaraja, representative of God, how he catches you, how he takes away. Prahlada Maharaja recommends that: bhavam asuram unmucya. "You give up this rascal lust[?]-there is no God. And God, God is not there." No. Try to understand God, try to see God. And so how you can see God? That is also said: dayam kuruta sauhrdam. Just be merciful to everyone, to bring them into Krsna consciousness. That is prema, Krsna wants.

Krsna wants it. So you serve Krsna, to fulfill His mission. That just surrender unto Krsna. Try in various ways and that is attempt. How one can convert persons to surrender unto Krsna. This is our plan. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau [Cc Madhya 17.136].

Somehow or other let me be engaged in Krsna consciousness. Yena tat. Sarve vidhi-nisedha syur etayor [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.4]. Not in the beginning all the vidhis are there present. But find out how this man can be turned into Krsna consciousness. That is the trick. Not any stereotype to it. Ananta acaryas. So one has to find out the trick, how one can engage others into Krsna consciousness. Yena tena prakarena. Sarve vidhi-nisedha syur etayor eva kihkaraḥ [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.4].

So Prahlada Maharaja advises everyone to become preacher, he is also preacher. He, Prahlada Maharaja when he was offered benediction by Lord Nrsimhadeva. He's preacher, just see, he is preaching amongst his class friends. Prahlada Maharaja's position is preacher. Meditation. So he is teaching others also to become preacher. Tasmat sarvesu bhūtesu, sarvesu bhūtesu-all living entities. Dayam kuruta sauhrdam, just like a friend, be merciful on them. Don't be envious. Just like a medical man, sometimes operating.

The operating surgical operation going on and the patient is crying and calling by ill names. "You sva-paca what you are doing." You see? But a still he has to do that. Yes. He has to do that. He may call sva-paca and thakurbhel [?] but he has to do it. Dayam kuruta. They may cry, "What is this nonsense Krsna consciousness, you live with your own business, why do you come here to disturb us? You chant, why do you come here?" They say like that. You have no experience?

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Just like Jagai and Madhai. They attacked Nityananda prabhu, "Why you have come here? You chant Hare Krishna, then go away. Why you have come here? Let us joke." But still Nityananda prabhu said, "No." Please once chant Hare Krishna. This is the duty of a preacher. And although they revolted, a still by the grace of Nityananda they became parama-vaisnava's. Dayam, dayam means-to the lower grade. Dayam. Unless one is in the higher grade, he cannot show any dayam-mercy.

A bank clerk how he can show mercy? Mercy, one can show, one who has got some assets, so dayam. Vividhaḥ[?], vividhaḥ the Ramakrishna Mission uses vividhaḥ. Vividhaḥ means-cut the throat of the goat and the meat may be given to their friends. That is vividhaḥ. And what, what fault this goat has done? And Brahma, Brahma is eating Brahma. They will put arguments like that. Ramakrishna himself he gave this reason, he was eating fish and he gave this reason. That Brahma, Brahma, my belly is also Brahma.

So...

[aside:] Not like that.

Bhavam asuram unmucya yaya tusyaty. Give up this earthly heart. This earthly heart means if one does not understand what is God. What is our relationship? How he will preach? So these kind of questions. Can you show me God? What is God? Have you seen God? These are asura. Asuranika. Prahlada Maharaja says give up this nonsense, rascaldom. Asura-bhava-atheism. God is everywhere try to understand God, Kevalanubhavananda-svarūpaḥ. You can simply see as you become purified so you can see that is God. Not that you have to see personally, cheek to cheek, eye-to-eye. And give up this godlessness and preach. Be merciful to others this is Prahlada Maharaja's instructions.

Yathocitam. Not that if you approach somebody and try to preach Krsna consciousness. You, you for. It is not that you'll be able to make him immediately Krsna conscious. That is not possible but the yathocitam, you try, your best. That is your service. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.234]. When you render service, it is not that, that you have to turn one into Krsna consciousness but if you try. If you do your duty on behalf of Krsna. That will elevate you. That will help you being recognised by Krsna. "Oh, there is a devotee, he is trying his best," that's all. It does not matter whether you have converted somebody or not. You can say simply, "Kindly chant Hare Krishna. Kindly chant Hare Krishna." Just like we appeal in the meetings, and it is so easy, why don't you take to it? And that is our preaching, that's all. Remember, a still although it is so easy they will not take, asuram bhavam. Asura. So easy I don't, know. Caitanya Mahaprabhu [indistinct]:

"You are so kind, my dear Lord, that You are present before me in Your holy name. I can chant it very easily but I am so unfortunate I don't take this."

You call him to chant Hare Krishna, he'll never take. He's so unfortunate. It is very easy, what is the difficulty? Hare Krishna. Even this child can take, if they are actually sane. But the asura-bhava, they are thinking, "Oh what is this nonsense Hare Krishna? Let me go my office and take some earning." You see? But the preacher has to take the trouble, to bother him, that please chant Hare Krishna, please chant Hare Krishna. This is mercy.

I shall explain this point. [break]

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: They are not at all sincere, mūḍhas. They are described in the sastra as asses. They have no intelligence. Mūḍha. Na mam duskrtino mūḍhaḥ [Bg 7.15]. They are thinking, "Everyone thinks I am most sincere, I'm advancd." Everyone thinks like that. That is not, this is maya. "Oh, I am so advanced, I have learnt everything. Now I can see..." You see?

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: What is that mathematics? What is that mathematics? So Bhaktivinode Thakura says: jaḍa-vidya saba mayara vaibhava itaḥ [vidyara vilase, 3]

Tomara bhajane badha, this so-called intricacies of mathematics science. They are absorbed in their brain. Tomara bhajane badha, they are simply impediments for advancing in Krsna consciousness. That is the qualification. They are putting so many solid impediments for advancing. Against advancing. So what is the value of this? My business is how to become Krsna conscious and let my life perfect. And all these things are simply impediments. Then what is the value of it? Technology [?] Therefore Bhaktivinode Thakura said, "They are simply impediments," tomara bhajane badha.

He is already gadha-an ass and he becomes a greater ass. This because he is thinking, "Oh, I've discovered such Institute of Mathematics and Physics and discovered this law and..." He is absorbed in that thought but that thought means a stumbling block for his Krsna consciousness. Therefore he was formerly an ass, now he is greater ass. In the beginning he was mūḍhaḥ-ass, now he has become greater ass. That's all. So do you think that to become greater ass is intelligent? What is your opinion? Greater ass!

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Bigger.

Audience: [Laughter]

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh? Without mathematics one is smaller?

Audience: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: But with mathematicism? Bigger... So we have to honor big ass? You see? Because there is a big ass is established. Therefore we have to honor him? We haven't got to dishonor because: trnad api sunicena taror iva [Siksastaka, 3]. But we should know there is a big ass. That's all.

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: No, he wanted, he wanted to be mathematician-big ass.

Guest: [indistinct]

Audience: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: So Krsna gave him intelligence, "Yes you become mathematics..." Krsna is merciful, "All right you become.." He wanted to be a big politician, "All right you become politician." But His open instruction, "Give up all this nonsense, surrender." But if he does not do that, all right Krsna is there. He is appealing, "All right you do it." I give you facility.

Eh? He is a persistant? I have given that example. That ah... When I was in Allahabad, that [indistinct], so I was sitting on my table at the electric fan, was going on. My eldest son, at that time he was two and a half years old. He touched that blade, he cut, he cried, "Save me." So another doctor was sitting, he advised me, "Just slow down and it will turn." So I slowed it down and I did not puzzle it to touch pyang! pyang! So I said, "Again touch." "No."

Audience: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: "Again touch." "No." So that was the way. So when this child has persistant it, let him do one thing. You see? And when he will experienced, then he'll come right. Bahūnam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg 7.19].

He will go on being all kinds nonsense but after many, many births. He'll come to his sense, he'll become wise, at that time he surrenders to Krsna. Vasudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ [Bg 7.19]. So Krsna gives sanction, without sanction nobody can be anything, that's a fact. But how does he gives sanction? You are persistant. "Oh, all right. You do it."

But He is open and shut. Sarva-guhyatamam [Bg 18.64]. "I am just telling you the most confidential instruction. Give up all nonsense. Just surrender." Is that clear?

Guest: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Hm. That's right. Without Krsna's sanction nobody can be but Krsna is very kind. Ye yatha mam prapadyante [Bg 4.11]. That is Krsna's kindness. He is kind to the thief and he is kind to the householder. Householder is praying, "My dear Lord, let there not be any burglary at night." And the burglar is praying, "Kindly help me, I shall go somewhere and steal something." So Krsna can do? He has to help him and him also.

Audience: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: That is Krsna's business. He has to help the burglar and he has to help the householder. Both. And Krsna says, "Why you are burglar? Why you are householder? You just become devotee. Then your problem is solved." But he wants to remain a burglar and he wants to be householder and there is struggle. And Krsna has said yes... all right. [End]