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Pradyumna: Translation: "The Supersoul is the original source of all senses, yet He is without senses. He is unattached, although He is the maintainer of all living beings. He transcends the modes of nature, and at the same time He is the master of all modes of material nature."
Prabhupada: Now we can see, these are contradictory. Sarvendriya-gunabhasam sarvendriya-vivarjitam. He's the origin of all senses, but He has no senses. Sarvendriya-gunabhasam sarvendriya-vivarjitam. Asaktam: He has no attachment, but at the same time, sarva-bhrc ca, He's maintainer of everyone. Nirgunam, without any qualities. Guna-bhoktr ca, but He is the enjoyer of all qualities. So this requires elucidation, how these contradictions are adjusted. This requires knowledge.
Somebody is taking that God is without any form because here it is said, sarvendriya-varjitam, vivarjitam. Vivarjitam, specifically He has no indriyas. So if God has no indriya, then He's nirakara. But in the previous verse Krsna has said that, "Yes, I have got my indriyas. I can see everything, I can hear everything." So unless He has got ears and eyes to see, we cannot conceive anything that a man without any eyes can see. Is there any such idea? Or a man without having ears can hear also? We cannot conceive any such thing.
But these things have to be adjusted. The adjustment is that He has eyes, He has ears, He has legs, He has handseverything He has got. Because sarvendriya-gunabhasam. He's the origin. In the Vedanta-sutra it is said that the Absolute Truth is the origin of everything. Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. So without a thing being existing in the Absolute Truth, how that can be manifested in this relative truth? This world is relative truth. So there is everything, but only one has to understand what is that everything. That everything is spiritual and this is material. When it is said that He's Sarvendriya-vivarjitam, that means He has no material senses. He has got senses. He has got eyes, He has got hands, legs, everything, but they are not material.
But a man with poor fund of knowledge, they cannot understand that without material body, how there can be possible of possessing a body. Because we are accustomed to see the material things, we have no eyes to see spiritual, atah sri-krsna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih [Cc. Madhya 17.136], therefore Krsna, to benefit us, to become merciful upon us, He appears in this form, arca-vigraha, so that we can see Him. Because we have learned to see wood, stone, earth, some solid materials. We cannot see subtle things.
Just like everyone knows you have got mind, I have got mind. But you cannot see my mind, I cannot see your mind. Because it is subtle. I have got my egotism, you have got your egotism, but we cannot find out what is that egotism. Even the material subtle things we cannot see, what to speak of spiritual things. Spiritual... Spirit is still more subtle.
indriyani parany ahur
indriyebhyah param manah manasas tu para buddhir yo buddheh paratas tu sah [Bg. 3.42] That spirit soul is above the intelligence. Grossly, we can understand our material senses, indriyani. Then, above these material senses, we can understand also that without the action of the mind, these material senses also do not work. If mind is not in order, in spite of my possessing these hands and legs, I cannot work. Madman just like. He cannot work properly because mind is distorted. So superior than the senses is the mind. Mind is superior than the senses, and the intelligence is still more superior than the mind, and the spirit soul is still more superior than the intelligence. That is the position.
So we cannot see even mind, intelligence, what to speak of seeing the soul. So we cannot see even the individual soul which is living within your body, within my body. You cannot see my soul, I cannot see your soul. Just like when a person dies, his sons and daughters or relatives cry, "Oh, our father has gone." Now, father has gone, but the father which you have seen so long, the hands and legs and head, that is lying there. Why do you say father has gone? That means the thing which has gone from within the body of the father, he has never seen, neither it is possible to see. But at the time of death he understands that my real father, the soul, which was within this body, he has now gone. Therefore our vision is always imperfect.
I am seeing you, your hands and legs and head, but I am actually not seeing you. You are seeing me, you are seeing my hands and legs, but you are not seeing me. So even the particles of spirit soul, the part and parcel of God, we cannot see. How we can see God? Even a small particle, mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. All living entities are part and parcel of Krsna. Just like if even a drop of ocean water we cannot recognize, how we can recognize the ocean? Similarly, we living entities, we are simply small particle of the spirit soul, Krsna. Mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. So we cannot see. No medical man has ever seen what is that soul, although they are perceiving there is soul. Now medical men, cardiologists, they are accepting, "Yes, there is soul." But we cannot see.
Therefore we have to make our eyes cleansed so that we can see. Just like sometimes we cannot see the smallest particle, but when we see with, what is called? Telescope? or Microscope. Microscope, we can see; it is magnified. So we have to make our eyes fit to see. Otherwise everything is there. Therefore the sastra says, atah sri-krsna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. These blunt senses, those who are depending on the blunt senses, they can say nirakara, because he cannot see. He has no eyes to see what is that akara, what is that form. Because he cannot see, therefore he says nirakara. Nothing is nirakara. Neither God is nirakara, nor you are nirakara. We have got akara. The akara is also mentioned in the sastra. What is that? One ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. You know the point of the hair. If you divide into ten-thousand parts, that one part is the magnitude of the soul.
kesagra-sata-bhagasya
satadha kalpitasya ca jiva-bhagah sa vijneyah sa canantyaya kalpate [Cc. Madhya 19.140] So the soul is there, but you cannot see even the topmost point of the hair. And if we divide that hair into ten-thousandth part, then these eyes cannot see. Therefore we say nirakara. No nirakara. There is akara, but these eyes cannot see. Therefore we have to understand through sastra.
Just like Krsna says, "I have got My body. But My body is not like your body. My body is different." That body is described, sarvatah pani-padam tat. He has got such a bodyit is expandedthat everywhere He has got His eyes and legs and hands and all other senses. In the next verse it is confirmed, sarvendriya-gunabhasam. He can see. Therefore He has got the eyes, gunabhasa, the origin of seeing power. But sarvendriya-vivarjitam. But He has no these material senses. When it is said sarvendriya-vivarjitam, "devoid of all senses," that means He's devoid of..., He has nothing to do with these material senses. He has got senses. He has got eyes, He has got ears, legs, everything. But they are not material. They are spiritual, but we cannot see spiritual.
Therefore we say "God is nirakara, the spirit soul is nirakara." This is our nonsense. It is not that God has no akara. He has got akara. You have to qualify yourself to see the form of the Lord. That is required. That how we can learn? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah: [Bg. 18.55] "What I am actually," tattvatah, "in truth, if you want to know, then you have to take the path of devotional service." He never says that "By karma or by jnana, by yoga, you can see Me." No. That is not possible.
bhaktya mam abhijanati
yavan yas casmi tattvatah tato mam tattvato jnatva visate tad-anantaram [Bg. 18.55] So we do not know actually in truth what is God; therefore with our material conception we think that God is nirakara. God is not nirakara. He has akara, but we have no power to see Him. And because we have no power to see Him, therefore God takes the form like this. He's God, He's not different from God, but He's visible to our blunt eyes. Therefore we say sometimes, "It is idol." He's not idol. We are not worshiping idol, stone. Just like some rascal says that "If by worshiping stone, God is available, then I can worship the mountain." Pathar puja ke hari mile meita puje pahar(?). So this rascal does not know that this is not worship of pathar. It is worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead personally, but to show us mercy, because we cannot see the Supreme Personality of Godhead with these blunt eyes, He has assumed the form of a stone. This is called arca-murti. It is His mercy.
Therefore sastra says arcye sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati-buddhih. One should not... One should avoid these things. When arca-murti, the Deity worship in the temple, if one thinks it is made of stone, it is made of wood, that is very offensive. One should not think like that. God is omnipotent, all-powerful. He can accept your service even in this form, but because He has assumed this form, don't neglect it that "It is stone." Then it will be offensive. It is to show you mercy, arca-murti.
Otherwise all the great saintly persons, just like Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, all big, big acaryas who were actually controlling the Vedic civilization still, they established thousands of temple and murtis, especially in South India. Still Ranganatha temple, Tirupati temples, visited by hundreds and thousands of people. So does it mean they have all become fools? They go to see some stone? No.
Therefore one has to become a devotee. Because only devotee can understand that "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead personally standing before me." That devotee. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [Bs. 5.38]. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when he visited Jagannatha temple, He was very anxious to see the Deity, Jagannatha temple. And as soon as He entered the Jagannatha temple, immediately He fainted, "Oh, here is My Lord." And others are seeing, "What is this foolish man? Here is a wooden form of Jagannatha and this man has fainted." But that is the difference between this man and you. Unless you develop your devotional attitude, you cannot see God. Bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah [Bg. 18.55].
Therefore those who are not devotees, they cannot see God. It is not possible. Even God comes before him, just like when Krsna was present before everyone. Five thousand years ago He was present. In the battlefield of Kuruksetra, He was present. All the soldiers, all the kings, everyone was seeing Him, but only Arjuna and few of the Pandavas, they knew that "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna." Not all of them. But all of them got salvation. Everyone who died in the presence of Krsnathat is statedthey all got salvation. Because after all, they saw Krsna. So that is the position. When Krsna was personally present, even the few Pandavas and the few inhabitants in Vrndavana, nobody could understand Him that the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Others...
There is a verse in the Srimad-Bhagavatam:
ittham satam brahma-sukhanubhutya
dasyam gatanam para-daivatena mayasritanam nara-darakena sakam vijahruh krta-punya-punjah [SB 10.12.11] Srila Sukadeva Gosvami, when he was describing Krsna was playing with the cowherd boys, he is remarking, "Now, who are these cowherd boys?" Krta-punya-punjah: "They have accumulated the highest stock of pious activities; therefore they are now playing with the Supreme Lord." What is this Krsna? Ittham brahma-sukhanubhutya: "Those who are after Brahman, impersonal Brahman, those who after the happiness of brahma-sukha, here is the source of that Brahman." Brahmano 'ham pratistha. Here is the source of that Brahman. Ittham satam brahma-sukhanubhutya dasyam gatanam para-daivatena: "Those who are devotees," dasyam gatanam, "those who have accepted the servitude of the Lord, for them, here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Dasyam gatanam para... And mayasritanam nara-darakena: "And those who are under the influence of the external energy, maya, they are thinking an ordinary human being, boy, nara-darakena. "But those who are playing with Him," sakam vijahruh krta-punya-punjah [SB 10.12.11], they have accumulated pious activities for many, many lives. Now they are allowed to play with the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
So that is possible. That is possible.
bhaktya mam abhijanati
yavan yas casmi tattvatah tato mam tattvato jnatva visate tad-anantaram [Bg. 18.55] If you actually can understand Krsna through devotional service... Not by challenging, not by mental speculation, not by meditation, not by fruitive activities, no. If you actually become a devotee and develop the consciousness of love for Krsna, then God will be appreciated, God will be seen. Naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya [Bg. 7.25]. Otherwise He'll not be visible. He's not exposed to the nondevotees.
He's simply exposed, He can reveal Himself, sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah [Brs. 1.2.234], when one engages himself in the devotional service beginning with the tongue. The devotional service begins with the tongue. Now, it is also another astonishment. Service with the tongue. Yes. Service with the tongue means if you chant this Hare Krsna mantra, that requires tongue. And if you simply take krsna-prasada, that requires tongue. With these two business of the tongue you can realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Chant Hare Krsna and take krsna-prasada, and gradually you'll understand what is God. Therefore this word is used, sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah. Because by using the tongue you develop Krsna consciousness, love for Krsna consciousness.
And Krsna being satisfied with you love... Because real thing is bhakti. Bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg. 18.55]. Patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]. Patram puspam phalam toyam. Here we are offering a little food, little leaf, little flower. But what is the essence? What is the value of flower? Value, there is practically no value. But yo me bhaktya prayacchati. The real value is that the flower is offered with devotion, the food is offered with devotion.
Therefore the devotee gradually realizing that, "Yes, I am offering this flower directly to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I am offering the food directly to the Supreme Personality of Godhead." He is eating. He is perceiving. He is taking the prasadam. He's advancing. He's chanting Hare Krsna mantra. It is self-evident. Pratyaksavagamam dharmyam. This devotional service is directly appreciated. You haven't got to take certificate from others. If you be engaged in devotional service, you actually realize. Therefore it is called pratyaksavagamam dharmyam. Other things will remain in theoretical, but this is such a nice thing, devotional service, that you directly understand how much you are making progress, how much you have appreciated God, how much you have understood Krsna. Pratyaksavagamam dharmyam su-sukham. Su-sukham.
And also there is no trouble. Very easily and very happily it is performed. Just like the devotional service. One may be illiterate, one may be having no qualification, but the process is so nice, to prepare flower garland for Krsna, to prepare food for Krsna, for chanting Krsna, for reading books for Krsna, for hearing about Krsna. You simply hear, you don't do anything. Simply if you hear, sravanam kirtanam visnoh [SB 7.5.23], you become devotee. Simply by hearing. Sthane sthitah sruti-gatam tanu-van-manobhih. You remain in your place. It doesn't matter what you are, but if you simply hear about Krsna, then you become devotee. It is so nice. You don't require any education. You don't require any money, don't require anything. You simply hear. That is also confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam.
srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah
punya-sravana-kirtanah hrdy antah-stho hy abhadrani vidhunoti suhrt satam [SB 1.2.17] Suhrt satam. He is special friend of the devotee. Suhrt satam. Satam means those who are devotees Asatam means nondevotee. So He is suhrt satam. So He is sitting within your heart. Srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah. So hearing about Krsna is so beneficial because as soon as you begin hearing about Krsna with little devotion and faith, Krsna immediately understands that "This living entity is now serious." Because He is within your heart. So srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah. "Now this man, this living entity..." Especially man. Cats and dogs cannot hear; that is not possible. They can also hear, but special facility for the human being. So a man can hear. So when Krsna sees that you are hearing, srnvatam sva-kathah... That hearing itself is punya-sravana-kirtanah. If you simply hear, you'll acquire some pious result. Punya-sravana-kirtanah. And if you chant, you get more pious result. Punya-sravana-kirtanah. The result will be hrdy antah-stho hy abhadrani. All abhadrani, all mischievous things will be washed away. Hrdy antah-stho hy abhadrani vidhunoti. Vidhunoti. Krsna helps you to wash it away because He's your friend. He's everyone's friend, but a special friend to the devotees. Suhrt-satam.
That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Samo 'ham sarva-bhutesu na me dvesyo 'sti na priyah: [Bg. 9.29] "I'm equal to everyone." Otherwise how He can be God? Nobody is His enemy, nobody is His friend. But ye tu bhajanti mam bhaktya. Persons who are engaged in devotional service with love and faith, for them special consideration. Special consideration.
These are the statements in the Bhagavad-gita. If you engage yourself always, satata-yuktanam bhajatam, in bhajana, in offering devotional service... Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam. With love. Not that official. Love. Then He'll talk with you. Buddhi-yogam dadami tam. He'll give you intelligence. He'll talk with you. Because He is within your heart. Simply you have to qualify yourself how to talk with Krsna. Otherwise Krsna is not far away. He's within your heart. Otherwise He is very, very far away. If you want to understand by your intelligence, what intelligence you have got? You have to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead by your service and then He'll reveal Himself. "Here I am. What do you want?" That is the process.
So sarvendriya-gunabhasam sarvendriya-vivarjitam. He has no... This is understood very easily. It is very easy. Just like a fish can live within the water. He has got also his senses. He has got his organs and everything is there, but it is specially made for living in the water. You cannot live in the water with these hands and legs. That is not possible. It is practical. But the fish can live. Because he has got special hands and legs, he is very happy there. He is not happy... As soon as you take it from the water and put on the land, he dies. Similarly, if you are taken from land and put into the water, you'll die. So everything requires special hands, legs. Why don't you understand it? Similarly, to live in the spiritual world, you require spiritual hands and legs.
So Krsna is supreme spiritual being. He has got his spiritual hands and legs and eyes. Why you accuse that He has no form? It is nonsense. It is less intelligent. He has got form. But the different things which you cannot, your poor intelligence cannot accommodate... Therefore Krsna says... This is jnana. One has to learn this. Sarvendriya-gunabhasam sarvendriya-vivarjitam. Sarvendriya-vivarjitam means He has no spiritual senses or spiritual hands and legs, er, material hands and legs. So we have also spiritual hands and legs, but now it is covered by these material things. Therefore we cannot understand our own position also. That we cannot... Aham brahmasmi: "I am also spirit soul." Therefore because it is materially covered... But Krsna's body is not materially covered.
Therefore anyone who thinks Krsna's body is also materially covered... The Mayavadi philosophers, they say that "God, when He comes in this material world, He accepts a material body." That is rascaldom. He never accepts material body. That is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11]. If God also accepts a material body, then what is the difference between God and ourself? He has nothing material. Everything spiritual. Everything spiritual. Even if He accepts material body, He can act spiritually. That is His power. Because material body, material energy is also His energy.
Just like electric energy. The expert electrician can transform the electric energy into heat or into cold. That is his manipulation. Even if he accepts material energy, He can use it spiritually. That is His power. All-powerful. So we have to understand these things. And these things can be understood only by submissive hearing and cleansing our dirty things within the heart by devotional service. Then we can understand what is the actual nature of Krsna or God. Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. (end)
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