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Morning Walk
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April 3, 1974, Bombay
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April 3, 1974, Bombay
740403MW-BOMBAY [44:57 Minutes]
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Prabhupada: But if one cannot execute in such a way, he can take little fruits. That's all.
Dr. Patel: [laughs] Shall we?
Prabhupada: Bhuya. He has already spoken so many important things; still, He wants to give information of further important part.
Prabhupada: Yes. "Because these things are to be spoken to My dear devotees, priyamanaya, for the special benefit of the devotees, not for the ordinary man." Bhuya eva maha-baho [Bg 10.1]. Maha-baho, this word is used, "mighty-armed," who is very strong in devotional service. Maha-baho. Bhuya eva maha-baho srnu me paramam vacah." Maha-baho: because you are My great devotee, therefore I am speaking further, very important subject matter." Next line?
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Now, just try to understand this. Na me viduh sura-ganah [Bg 10.2]. [Hindi] ...demigods, big, big demigods, they cannot understand Him. How the rascals with little education can understand? This is the meaning. Na me viduh sura-ganah prabhavam. How much influence... The maharsayah, big, big saintly rsis also, they cannot understand. Aham adir hi devanam. Devanam means the first devas: the Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara. So Visnu is He Himself. Even Lord Siva, Lord Brahma, they do not know. Devanam.
Dr. Patel:
[aside:] Aiye...
Prabhupada: Mahesvaram, maha isvaram. There are isvaras, but paramesvara, or maha-isvara, that is Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Shall I read further?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel: Good and bad, all qualities.
Prabhupada: Yes. There is no bad. There is nothing bad, but...
Dr. Patel: Contradictory qualities.
Prabhupada: That means all contradictions can be adjusted in Krsna.
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel: Rightly.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. This is the actually essence of Bhagavad-gita. Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate: "I am the origin of everything." Aham sarvasya prabhavo and mattah sarvam. Sarvam means including Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara. Sarvam. Mattah sarvam pravartate iti matva. One who understands this. Bhajante. So just... The bhajana is for whom? Iti matva. When one understands that Krsna is the origin of everything, even the original demigods, Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara, when one understands perfectly this thing, then his bhajana is perfect.
Chandobhai: All the emotions, feelings.
Prabhupada: ...love, feelings, feelings of love, "Oh, Krsna is so great."
Prabhupada: And that is being described.
Prabhupada: Mad-gata... One cannot talk of Krsna unless he is krsna-gata-pranah. Krsna-gata-pranah. Just like your loveable objects, you cannot forget even for a moment, similarly, one who has developed real love for Krsna, he cannot do without thinking of Krsna, without talking of Krsna, without acting for Krsna. Mad-gata-pranah.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. So therefore one who has taken to this... Sometimes these Mayavadis rascals say that the bhakti is meant for the less intelligent class of men. So how he can be less intelligent? Krsna says, tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam. So Krsna personally gives you intelligence. So how he can be less intelligent?
Chandobhai: He gives intelligence.
Chandobhai: "By which you can reach Me."
Dr. Patel: That comes later on.
Dr. Patel:
Chandobhai: Bhaktas.
Prabhupada: Satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam, tesam. It is a special favor for them. Tesam evanukampartham. So if Krsna dissipates ignorance from the heart of a person, how he can be less intelligent? If somebody is guided by the most perfect intellect..., intellectual, then how he can be less intelligent? So these Mayavadis' accusation that bhakti is meant for the less intelligent class and jnana is meant for higher class of men, so this accusation is refuted, that "No, don't think that the devotees are less intelligent, because I am guiding them."
Prabhupada: Tamah. No more ignorance, darkness. So how a devotee can be in darkness, in ignorance? This is refuted.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. So therefore, what is Krsna is to be understood from Arjuna. This is parampara system. Parampara system. Arjuna talked with Krsna personally. So his experience is first hand. So how this rascal can imagine of Krsna that "Krsna is like this, Krsna is like that"? If you actually reading Bhagavad-gita as Arjuna understood Krsna, you have to accept it. This is called parampara. So what is the experience of Arjuna? Arjuna said, "You are..., you are the Supreme Person, purusam. You are not female. You are not prakrti. You are purusa, sasvata, and the original, sasvatam, eternally." Not that, the Mayavadis, "Now impersonal..." Yes, read one line. That is sufficient.
Prabhupada: Adi. Yes. Govindam adi-purusam. Adi-purusam, He is the original person. Person. He is not imperson. Purusam is not imperson. Brahman is imperson, but Para-brahman is not imperson. So that is Krsna. So therefore it is called parah, param, Brahman realization. Athato brahma-jijnasa: "You inquire about Brahman."
Prabhupada: Vibhum, yes, all-pervading. Just like the same example: the sun. The sun is all-pervading by sunshine, but still, sunshine is not important as the sun globe. This is to be understood. Krsna, Krsna... Let us understand one line. Para-brahman. Brahman, sarvam khalv idam brahma [Chandogya Upanisad 3.14.1].
But they are Para-brahman. Isvara, everyone is isvara. That's all right. But not everyone Paramesvara.
Chandobhai: Purusottama.
Prabhupada: So param brahma param dhama [Bg 10.12]. Dhama. Dhama means resting place. Mat-sthani sarva-bhutani [Bg 9.4]. Param brahma param dhama, and pavitram. Pavitra means You are not contaminated by these material modes. Pavitram paramam, supreme pavitra. Now the question is that if Krsna is param pavitra... Now sometimes they criticize that "Krsna danced with the other girls. So how He can be contaminated?"
Dr. Patel: Non-contaminated.
Prabhupada: Yes. Divyam. Divyam means spiritual. Tapo divyam. Tapo divyam [SB 5.5.1]. That is the instruction of Rsabhadeva: "My dear boys, you engage yourself in tapasya." Now, what kind of tapasya? Tapo divyam: for spiritual realization. Now, materialists, there are big, big scientists, big, big archeologists and so on, so on, they are also undergoing tapo. Without tapasya, nobody can become eminent. So they are also undergoing tapasya. Suppose one who has manufactured this atomic bomb. This is also tapasya. But not this kind of tapasya. Tapo divyam, for understanding Krsna. To understand Krsna, that tapasya required.
Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Now, people may say that "Arjuna was Krsna's friend, so he is eulogizing Krsna like anything." Therefore he is giving evidence that ahus tvam rsayah sarva: "It is not my sentiment that I am accepting You as such and such. But..." [aside:] Hare Krsna, Jaya. [break] He is giving evidence. This is required. This is required. If you say something, it must be supported by authorities. Not that my whimsically I say something like daridra narayana.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Vyasa. Ultimately Vyasa.
Prabhupada: "And You also say."
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: "Nobody knows Your personality in truth."
Prabhupada: So foolish people cannot understand what is the Personality of Krsna. Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. "Therefore to understand You is to take information from You, not from others." What Krsna says...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Now, this is to be understood, "How You are all-pervading by Your influence, by Your power." That means "You are always there." "You" person is there. Just like a big man, big businessman, is sitting in his room, but he is all-pervading, all-pervading.
Dr. Patel: But he must have got special powers deputed to certain people. And these are that vibhutis.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. That is vibhuti. That does not mean... Mayavadi philosophy is: "Because He has spread everywhere, therefore He is imperson." He remains person, without any change, avyaya. But still, He is spread. That he is asking, that "How I shall understand You, that You are spread everywhere?" Akhilatma-bhutah. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhutah [Bs 5.37]. That is... So we have to understand from Krsna how He is all-pervading, not that mental speculation. Just like if you take a thing and distribute all over, the original thing is lost. Not like that. Original Krsna is there.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
[reads next verse while Srila Prabhupada talks]
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. This is intelligence. How Krsna is all-pervading, you have to learn from Krsna and think like that. That is meditation. That is meditation, how Krsna is all-per... Just like in the beginning also, Krsna said, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya [Bg 7.8]. So similarly, another explanation is going to be set up here.
Dr. Patel: Now,
sri bhagavan uvaca
hanta te kathayisyami divya hy atma-vibhutayah pradhanyatah kuru-srestha nasty anto vistarasya me [Bg 10.19] Prabhupada: Yes. So "If I go on speaking, there is no end. But some of the chief principles by which I am all-pervading, I shall speak to you."
Dr. Patel: And the first important:
Prabhupada: "And I am atma, Gudakesa. I am atma. Therefore, because My part and parcel is spreading, so that part and parcel, particle, that is the basic principle of everything." Just like this body. This body is based on that part and particle, soul. Because the soul was there, the body has developed.
Dr. Patel: Otherwise body would perish. It does rot.
Dr. Patel: That is Carvaka's theory, this Karl Marx, the Communists. That is dialectical materialism.
Prabhupada: Yes. Now He says aham. Aham is living entity. So living entity is the origin of everything.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. Now, this is also another nice thing, that the modern astronomers, they say that all these stars are sun. Sun. Do they not?
Dr. Patel: Yes. Just like suns.
Prabhupada: But just like Krsna says, "They are just like moon." Just see. Naksatranam aham sasi. So sasi means the moon. Moon is like one of the stars. So if you say the stars are surya, then there is contradiction. How the moon and the sun can be equal? But actually, that is not. According to our Vedic astronomy, there is one sun only in one universe, although there are millions of universes. We cannot count. So there are millions of suns. That is another thing. But within the universe there is only one sun, and by the brilliance of sunshine, all these stars and moons are glittering. Just like moon shining, being reflected by the sun, similarly, all the stars they are glittering, being reflected by the sun, not that all of them are different suns. This theory is refuted.
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel: By music. "I am the soul of the music."
Prabhupada: Life. Knowledge, knowledge.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
asvatthah sarva-vrksanam
devarsinam ca naradah gandharvanam citrarathah siddhanam kapilo munih [Bg 10.25-26] Dr. Patel: That Devahuti's son.
Prabhupada: Son, yes.
Dr. Patel:
Naradhipam means He represents the God.
Prabhupada: King, king, king. Yes.
Dr. Patel: King. But not these kings, [Hindi].
Prabhupada: But they are not kings. They are mlecchas. They are not kings. Asamskrtah kriya-hina mleccha rajendra-rupinah. They have assumed the post of king, but otherwise they are mlecchas, asamskrtah. There is no samskara, and kriya-hina, they do not perform the Vedic rituals. So they are all rascals. So how we can be happy?
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Cupid.
Dr. Patel: Reproduce, produces.
Prabhupada: Yes, Cupid.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: The woman's voice is very attractive. Because people engage woman for singing. Their voice is natural attractive. "So that attractive voice, I am."
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Ah. [laughs]
Dr. Patel: "I am you."
Prabhupada: Pandavanam dhananjayah.
Dr. Patel: That means "I am you."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Not "I am you." That is Mayavada. Dhananjaya especially, not the rascals.
Dr. Patel: "You" means He is talking with whom? Dhananjaya.
Prabhupada: That's all right, Dhananjaya. You can take, Dhananjaya. Not that general people.
Dr. Patel: But that is what He says, that "I am you." Krsna says...
Prabhupada: Not you; Dhananjaya. "You" means... Why you are changing the word? No, no, it is said, Dhananjaya. You say Dhananjaya.
Dr. Patel: Partha, Dhananjaya, He is...
Prabhupada: Yes. And after...
Dr. Patel: But He is talking with Dhananjaya.
Prabhupada: That's all right. You cannot make it an impersonal. As soon as you say Dhananjaya, He is person.
Dr. Patel: Oh, yes, that way. That way you are right. Vrsninam vasudevo 'smi. That means He is the father of even Himself.
Prabhupada: Yes, Vyasadeva is incarnation of God.
Dr. Patel:
Chandobhai: It is God's victory, not his.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Nothing that moves and not moves is without being.
Prabhupada: Yes, because everything is His energy.
Dr. Patel:
"Whatever glorious thing you see, it is Mine."
Prabhupada: "That is due to My influence". [break]
Prabhupada: This is only ekamsa vibhuti. All this described, this is only one part. The three parts-in the spiritual world. This is all description of the material world. Now, this is only one part manifestation, and the three-part manifestation-in the spiritual sky.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Accha.
Dr. Patel: "Now I have lost it."
Prabhupada: "I was thinking that You are ordinary friend, but now moha, that moha is gone. I understand You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
Dr. Patel: Yes.
Now, he is creating a trouble for Krsna. He is creating trouble for Him.
Dr. Patel: For himself. Arjuna is creating trouble for himself.
Prabhupada: No, he is creating trouble for himself because the rascals will represent that "I am incarnation of God." Therefore Arjuna is asking Him, "Now show me Your virata-rupa." So these rascals, bewildered by these so-called Gods, they should ask, "Show me your virata-rupa. Then I shall accept you." That is the process. Not that "I am incarnation of God." How you become incarnation? Just lift one hill. Huh? Or show me virata-rupa. Or show me that you have sixteen thousand wives and you are maintaining them in sixteen thousand palaces. Then you call yourself that "I am incarnation of Krsna." Otherwise, you rascal, I cannot believe you. For them. Otherwise, Krsna... He knows what is Krsna, but because in future some rascal will come and will say that "I am incarnation of God," therefore it is a warning that before accepting one rascal as incarnation, you ask him to show virata-rupa.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. So because Arjuna was not accustomed to this impersonal theory...
Dr. Patel: Shall I read further?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: So it was not difficult for Him. Immediately He showed him. That is Krsna. Not that "I shall show you some day privately."
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel: The whole universe.
Prabhupada: Ah. "Because you are not accustomed to see this virata form, therefore I give you special vision to see it."
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: So this virata-rupa is subordinate. Darsayamasa hari. Hari is the Supreme. And the virata-rupa is a feature, not that virata-rupa is original.
Dr. Patel: One of the features of His multiple features.
Dr. Patel: One of his multiple...
Prabhupada: Multiple features.
Dr. Patel:
He had thousands and millions of features.
Now Arjuna said. Shall I read further?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. No, I will explain.
Chandobhai: They can hear.
Prabhupada: Devams, devams. Tava deva dehe means "Devas, the demigods, they are part and parcel of Your virata-rupa." They are not independent. Just like this finger is part of my this whole body, similarly, all these devas, these demigods... That is explained previously: ye 'py anya-devata bhakta yajante sraddhayanvitah, te 'pi mam eva [Bg 9.23]. If you give something to my finger, that is to be given to my body. But that is avidhi-purvakam. The thing's to be given to the mouth, not in the hand. But their logic is, because everything is the same, why not here? That is Mayavada. Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: Yes. [aside:] Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel:
He is now frightened after seeing these things.
Prabhupada: Yes. Must be frightened. Now, suppose all of a sudden if you see a very big person, you will not be frightened? Because you are not accustomed to see that.
Prabhupada: Now here is one important thing: sasi-surya-netram. The sasi, the moon, and the sun are the two eyes of God. Now in Brahma-samhita it is also confirmed, yac-caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam [Bs 5.52]. So in the Upanisads it is said, "When God sees, then you can see." So this... When the sunrise is there, that means when God sees, you can see. In the darkness you cannot see. And still, you are proud of your eyes. Yes. Without God seeing, you cannot see. And still, these rascals are proud of their eyes: "I can... Can you show me?" How you can see? First of all you have to see through the Supreme.
Prabhupada: And another significance is that you cannot hide yourself from the seeing of the Supreme. You cannot make anything hiding. Because even in the womb there is sunshine, sunlight. So He is seeing there. Apart from being the Paramatma, from materially also, His eyes are always there. So you cannot do anything hiding. That is not possible.
Dr. Patel:
All are frightened.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: So everyone is worshiping Him.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: They do not understand. If you go on simply reading...
Dr. Patel: But you say read, so I read. You order me, I stop.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Shall I read again?
Prabhupada: What is that line?
Dr. Patel: He saw everyone in Him.
Prabhupada: ...in Him. Then he got...
Dr. Patel: Then he got frightened, and then he... [indistinct]
Prabhupada: The varieties, varieties. The varieties he is seeing. That is the vision of the Vaisnava. The Vaisnavas also know that everything is one, but he sees the variety.
Dr. Patel: I will read again from this.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] [end]
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