Evening Darśana – May 11, 1977, Rishikesh

As soon as one says that 'I am God,' he's a rascal immediately

Prabhupada: [Transl. The knowledge of the sat aspect of the absolute truth is Brahman realization. That is eternity. If you go further then you realize the Paramatma aspect of the absolute truth. And the full knowledge of the absolute truth is the knowledge of Bhagavan.]

Indian man: Full realization.

Prabhupada: Full realization. Tattva-darsina, one who knows what is what. What is Brahman, what is Paramatma, and who is Bhagavan. You have to go to such a person. That is Guru. jnaninas tattva-darsina [Bg 4.34] [Transl. What is the use of going to a vagabond? There will be no benefit. May be some partial realization.] Krsna recommends tattvadarsi. [Transl. And this tattva he understands. kascin mam vetti tattvataḥ.

[Trans_A person who has attained perfection, out of many such persons, kascit or one may understand the Supreme Lord in truth. That means to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead is not easy. He must be a tattvadarsi or self-realised. He is Guru. All of us can become tattvadarsi, because the absolute truth Himself descends and teaches us "I am like this." But we want to overrule Him. The Supreme Lord further declares;

[Trans_That is possible only by bhakti or devotional service. Not by jnana, karma or yoga. bhaktya mam abhijanati. Therefore the Lord tells us to become devotee.

[Trans_He didn't say bhava mad jnani. So these are the conclusions. There is not much difficulty in realizing the absolute truth. The absolute truth personally comes and says,

[Transl. Just accept it that there is nobody greater than the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna. But we will not accept Him. We will argue "Why Krsna alone is the Supreme Lord? There are other Supreme Lords. This is God, that is God, I am God, you are God. Why are you searching after God? God is wandering about everywhere." Like that. Daridra-Narayana, Narayana has become poor! Serve Him! This is going on. yata mata tata patha or as many opinions as many ways. Simply manufacture a way and that is all right. Then how to find a Guru? The Lord says jnaninas tattva-darsina. People are giving up these conclusions.]

Indian man: Why He has made it so difficult to realize Him?

Prabhupada: Han? We have made it difficult. Purposefully. [Transl. If someone asks you "Where is your nose?" You show him directly "Here it is." That's all. What is the need of showing the nose by encircling your hand around the head? What is the use of showing such foolishness like an ass? Encircling, that too can't reach. Show like this. Finished. You ask a boy and he will show you straight. But these people will show the other way. You make it difficult. Otherwise there is no difficulty. It's very easy. man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg 18.65]. Is it a difficult task? But they won't do it. Someone asked a teacher, "Sir, what is the meaning of the word 'vyaghra' or tiger? [aside: Please come. The teacher replied "Vyaghra means sardula," a more difficult word. The Supreme Lord has explained Himself what is the absolute truth. "There is no truth superior to Me." So tell everybody that Krsna is the Supreme absolute truth.]

[Transl. Why don't they admit? The scriptures declare and the Acaryas accept it. Vyasadeva accepts, Narada accepts, Caitanya Mahaprabhu accepts, but we will not accept it. This is our misfortune. mahajano yena gataḥ sa panthaḥ [Mahabharata, Vana-parva 313.117] Whatever the Mahajanas or the exalted personalities have said should be accepted. So to know the absolute truth is not difficult. The Supreme Personality of Godhead personally comes and says, svayam caiva bravisi me. [Bg 10.13] This is what Arjuna said

[Transl. You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is not that because You are my friend, I am flattering You. No. Vyasa, Narada, big, big sages and Acaryas accept it. And You Yourself are saying this. svayam caiva bravisi me [Bg 10.13]

[Transl. That's all. Finished. What is the difficulty of understanding the absolute truth? Not that I will take out this portion and that portion and present it. That is ardha-kukuti-nyaya or the half-hen-logic. A person had a hen. She used to lay an egg every day. So he thought that my business is to take the egg from the behind, so I keep her back portion. And the front portion is expensive to maintain because I have to feed. So he cut off her throat. She won't eat, then I don't have to spend anything. Like this, they trim and clip Bhagavad-gita. That is called ardha-kukuti-nyaya. "That we will have to accept Krsna" this portion they clip off. And yet they claim to understand the absolute truth. This is the position. Ardha-kukuti-nyaya. There is no benefit from doing this. You will neither get egg nor have the hen. But we are presenting Bhagavad-gita as it is. There is no choppings and clippings in it. And we are getting the good results. You see. These are foreigners and belonging to another religion. Their forefathers, fourteen generations or more have never heard of Krsna. Now they have become devotees. They have accepted sannyasa or the renounced order of life. They are traveling all over the world and preaching. It is working simply because they are accepting Bhagavad-gita as it is. We have got branches everywhere. South Africa, South America, Australia, Europe, America, Canada and many other places. We are selling so many books in all languages.] How many languages we have published our books?

Tamala Krsna: Thirty-one languages.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Thirty languages. [aside: Please come.]

Indian man: [whispers] Thirty languages!

Prabhupada: [Transl. Even in Chinese and Japanese we have published.]

Tamala Krsna: Russian also.

Indian man: That is the greatest service to the Humanity.

Prabhupada: Russian also.

Indian man: I see.

Prabhupada: [Transl. They like it. We receive order from Russia. We receive order from Russia for English books. From Germany. Now Germany is in Russia's control. They also order books for their Universities.] They are all appreciating Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. Just show Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Gopala Krsna: Prabhupada has translated about eighty-four books.

Indian man: Gita?

Gopala Krsna: Srimad-Bhagavatam, till now about thirty volumes have been printed.

Prabhupada: We are finishing Srimad-Bhagavatam in sixty volumes.

Gopala Krsna: [Transl. See these paintings, these are done by Guruji's disciples.]

Prabhupada: What is that?

Indian devotee: Sri Caitanya-caritamrta.

Gopala Krsna: [Transl. Look, these are Sanskrit. Each word of each sloka is translated into English.]

Indian man: Then there is translation of each verse in English and purport.

Gopala Krsna: Yes. Each word, each word is explained. So there is no room for any interpretation.

Prabhupada: We have not brought the catalog?

Tamala Krsna: We have some….

Prabhupada: Han?

Tamala Krsna: I don't think so.

Prabhupada: Then ask him to send.

Tamala Krsna: Gopala?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: [to Gopala Krsna: Need catalogs.

Prabhupada: Send catalog.

Gopala Krsna: We don't have any at all here?

Prabhupada: Our books are being appreciated by all the big, big scholars of the world.

Indian man: Depiction of the Indian art in these pictures is the most beautiful.

Prabhupada: Han?

Indian man: The Indian art depicted in these pictures is beautiful.

Prabhupada: Yes. For general public the picture is very attractive.

Indian man: Each version costs fifty rupees. Literature is highest. It is not within the reach of general public.

Gopala Krsna: [Transl. No, in Hindi they are cheap. Fifteen rupees each.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They are the artists. American.]

Indian man: Beg a pardon?

Prabhupada: This artistic work has been done by the Americans.

Indian man: Yes. Yes.

Prabhupada: [Transl. I gave them the ideas and they painted it.] They are very intelligent.

Indian man: [Transl. For us the situation is going reverse.]

Prabhupada: Han?

Indian man: [Transl. The young generation in India,] they are going away from this path.

Prabhupada: Yes. Because the leaders are rascals, what can be done?

[Transl. There is an animal in the jungle. Lion. The other smaller animals have made it the king. Because the lion has become the king, does it mean it is no longer an animal? It is still an animal. Nowadays voting system, sva-viḍ-varahostra-kharaiḥ samstutaḥ purusaḥ pasuḥ. Now we elect a leader. Who is he? He is a big animal. That's all. Nothing else. We are small animals and we vote a bigger animal. We are used for votting.]

Indian man: [Transl. By your preaching and spreading of this culture in the west, the atmosphere here is gradually returning to normalcy.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That's why I went there. Indian government… I tried to start here, but it didn't happen.]

Indian man: [Transl. Our tendency has become like] you look to that side. Now roundwise we see that those people are coming to this.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now difficulty is there, still they are accepting. The same old, dog's tail. No matter how much ghee you apply, it will remain bent only.]

Indian man: [Transl. But something to be done for here also Maharaja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You come forward and do. We are ready. You accept krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28] and preach. You are bringing thousands of Bhagavans. I am Bhagavan. You are Bhagavan. Bhagavans are in the street.]

Indian man: [Transl. Bhagavan is one only.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They don't know the meaning of Bhagavan.

[Transl. Bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is thus defined by Parasara Muni as one who is full in six opulences, who has full strength, fame, wealth, knowledge, beauty, and renunciation. The condition is very pathetic. Anyway no problem. Whatever has happened has happened. Now we can rectify it if the messege of Bhagavad-gita is propogated as it is. There is no difficulty. If it possible in the foreign countries where people follow different religion, it is possible in India also. This is punya-bhūmi or holy land. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu says bharata-bhūmite haila manusya janma yara. It is not a cheap thing to get a human birth in Bharat-bhūmi. It is attained by virtue of great piety. Even the demigods pray to the Supreme Lord that if we have any piety left, because when piety is exhausted we will have to go to the mortal world, so if any piety left kindly let us take birth in Bharat-varsa. That's a fact in Bharat-varsa. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu says

Make your life perfect by studying Bhagavad-gita, and then after perfecting your life engage in Paropakara or doing good to others. First of all you make your life successful.]

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German man (1): Germany.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

German man (1): Germany.

Prabhupada: Germany.

English man (2): England.

German man (1): In German.

Prabhupada: He is German. I went to Hamburg.

German man (1): In Hamburg. In Batche Strasse?

Bhakti-caru: No. He went to Sromo[?]

German man (1): [German] The very beginning center was in the Batche Strasse Street, a very small temple. And then it changed to bigger and..., in Hamburg.

Prabhupada: There is tramways.

Bhakti-caru: You are from Hamburg?

German man (1): I was born in Hamburg. I left Phalia[?] four years ago and came here in Laksmana-jhūla.

[conversation with German devotee] [break]

Prabhupada: ...here?

Tamala Krsna: Why did you come to India?

German man (1): For..., for spiritual purpose.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

German man (1): Sadhana, tapasya.

Prabhupada: And what is the aim of tapasya?

Tamala Krsna: What is the aim of tapasya?

German man (1): The aim of tapasya?

Tamala Krsna: The goal.

German man (1): To see how is the one in the many.

Tamala Krsna: To see the one in the many.

Prabhupada: Very good. And what is that one?

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada asked, "What is that one?"

German man (1): The one is this part in you and me which is together, and the many are you and me and him and we all.

Prabhupada: No, what is that one?

German man (1): That one? It's difficult to put it into name.

Tamala Krsna: He said, "It's difficult to put it into name."

Prabhupada: That means you have not found that one.

German man (1): Probably. That is why I came to you.

Prabhupada: You could not find that one.

Tamala Krsna: He said that's why he came to you.

Prabhupada: That is Krsna. Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvam pravartate [Bg 10.8]. In the Bhagavad-gita find out.

Tamala Krsna: [aside:] Hand me the...

Prabhupada: If you cannot find it, hand it to Tamala.

"I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise, who know this perfectly, engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts."

Prabhupada: Hmm? Here is the one from whom everything emanates. So why don't you worship Him? Is there any purport?

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Purport. "A learned scholar who has studied the Vedas perfectly and has information from authorities like Lord Caitanya and who knows how to apply these teachings can understand that Krsna is the origin of everything in both the material and spiritual worlds. And because he knows this perfectly, he becomes firmly fixed in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord. He can never be deviated by any amount of nonsensical commentaries or by fools. All Vedic literature agrees that Krsna is the source of Brahma, Siva and all other demigods. In the Atharva Veda it is said, yo brahmanam vidadhati pūrvam yo vai vedams ca gapayati sma krsnaḥ: 'It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past.' Then again it is said, atha puruso ha vai narayano 'kamayata prajaḥ srjeyety upakramya: 'Then the Supreme Personality Narayana desired to create living entities.' Again it is said, narayanad brahma jayate, narayanad prajapatiḥ prajayate, narayanad indro jayate, narayanad astau vasavo jayante, narayanad ekadasa rudra jayante, narayanad dvadasadityaḥ: 'From Narayana, Brahma is born, and from Narayana, the patriarchs are also born. From Narayana, Indra is born, from Narayana the eight Vasus are born, from Narayana the eleven Rudras are born, from Narayana the twelve Adityas are born.' It is said in the same Vedas, brahmanyo devaki-putraḥ: 'The son of Devaki, Krsna, is the Supreme Personality.' Then it is said, eko vai narayana asin na brahma na isano napo nagni-samau...

[break] ...dyav-aprthivi na naksatrani na sūryaḥ sa ekaki na ramate tasya dhyanantaḥ sthasya yatra chandogaiḥ kriyamanastakadi-samjnaka stuti-stomaḥ stomam ucyate: 'In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krsna, who creates all and enjoys all.' In the many Puranas it is said that Lord Siva was born from the highest, the Supreme Lord Krsna, and the Vedas say that it is the Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahma and Siva, who is to be worshiped. In the Moksa-dharma Krsna also says,

'The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy.' In the Varaha Purana it is also said,

'Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born.' Lord Krsna is the source of all generations, and He is called the most efficient cause of everything. He says that 'Because everything is born of Me, I am the original source of it all. Everything is under Me. No one is above Me.' There is no supreme controller other than Krsna. One who understands Krsna in such a way from a bona fide spiritual master and from Vedic literature, who engages all his energy in Krsna consciousness, becomes a truly learned man. In comparison to him, all others, who do not know Krsna properly, are but fools. Only a fool would consider Krsna to be an ordinary man. A Krsna conscious person should not be bewildered by fools. He should avoid all unauthorized commentaries and interpretations on Bhagavad-gita and proceed in Krsna consciousness with determination and firmness."

Prabhupada: So here is the one. You don't accept? You are finding out the one. So where is? So here is the one. Aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2], mattaḥ sarvam pravartate iti matva bhajante mam budha bhava... Hmm? You have got objection to accept Krsna the supreme one?

Tamala Krsna: "What is your answer?" Prabhupada asks.

Prabhupada: Why don't you accept Him? In Vedic evidences He is the Supreme. [aside:] Please come.

Indian man (4): Swamiji, Christ says that he's the goal.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Indian man (4): Christ says that he's the Almighty. What is your opinion?

Tamala Krsna: He said, "Christ says that he is the Almighty. What is your opinion?"

Prabhupada: Where he said?

Indian man (4): In Bible said. "I am the God, come."

Prabhupada: He said?

Tamala Krsna: No, he never says that.

Trivikrama: "I am the son of God."

Tamala Krsna: He said, "My father, who art in heaven, hallowed by Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done." He never says, "My kingdom come, my will be done."

Trivikrama: Says "I sit at the right hand of God."

German man (1): "The Father and me are one," he said. To people he said, the father in the heaven, and to his disciple he said, "The Father is in me. The Father is in me. I am one with the Father. I am not real, but the Father in me, He is doing everything. I am doing nothing." Every truth... Somebody touch his feet, he said don't touch. "Don't tell me, my Father and me," he said.

Devotee (5): We chant every morning, saksad-dharitvena...

Prabhupada: No bona fide person will say that "I am God." As soon as one says that "I am God," he's a rascal immediately. God is not so cheap. Caitanya Mahaprabhu never said. He said, "I am servant of the servant of the servant of servant of." Gopi-bhartuḥ pada-kamalayor dasa-dasa-dasanudasaḥ [Cc Madhya 13.80]. Hundred times down. And that is real identification. And as soon as a person says, "I am God," then he's a madman. He's part of God. That is all right. But not the Supreme God.

Indian man (4): Can we find the one in ourself? Can we find the one in the basis of ourself?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Indian man (4): The one in the basis of ourself?

Tamala Krsna: He says, "Can we find the one in ourselves?"

Prabhupada: Yes. The Self is there. Īsvaraḥ sarva-bhūtanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg 18.61]. That one Lord is there within your heart. Where is the difficulty? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Īsvaraḥ sarva-bhūtanam. All living entities-not only you, me-cats, dogs, everyone, even ants... Anḍantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham. He is within the atom also. So there is no denying. He is everywhere.

So Īsvara, this, the Supreme, is living with you as Supersoul. So there is no doubt about it. You are also within the body, and He is also within the body. Find out this verse, ksetra-jnam capi mam viddhi sarva-ksetresu bharata, ksetra-ksetrajnayor jnanam [Bg 13.3]. You are individual soul, and He is also living as individual soul, but sarva-ksetresu: He is living everywhere; you are living within your body. That is the difference.

Indian man (4): Then one can realize the omnipresence of the one.

Tamala Krsna: "How can we realize the omnipresence?"

Prabhupada: You have to realize from authorized scripture, not whimsically. Just like this boy asked, "God, Christ said like that," without any authority. Without reading, without understanding, he says like that. So you have to take from authority. Without authorized statement don't say anything. It is foolish. Sabda-pramanam. Just like a good lawyer in the court. When he says something, immediately he quotes the law, "Section number such, laws number such," and that is authorized; not that whimsically if he says. That is not the process. [aside:] You have found out? Ksetra-jnam capi mam viddhi sarva-ksetresu... Thirteenth Chapter.

Tamala Krsna: Ah.

Prabhupada: And before that?

Tamala Krsna: Ksetram ity abhidhiyate... Oh.

Prabhupada: Idam sariram kaunteya.

"Arjuna said, O my dear Krsna, I wish to know about prakrti, purusa, and the field and the knower of the field, and of knowledge and the end of knowledge. The Blessed Lord then said, This body, O son of Kunti, is called the field, and one who knows this body is called the knower of the field."

Prabhupada: Just like every one of us. I know, you know, that "This is my body," "This is my finger," "This is my leg." So the body is called ksetra. We have been allotted a ksetra. Just like the government distributes the land to a certain person, that "This is your land. You till it and grow your food," thirty bighas or something like that. This body is like that. Īsvaraḥ sarva-bhūtanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati [Bg 18.61].

He is there within the body, and He is giving us this ksetra. Bhramayan sarva-bhūtani yantrarūḍhani mayaya. So I have got this body. You have got that body. The dog has got body. The cat has got body. So He's everywhere. So according to his karma or desire, he gets a body. Īsvaraḥ sarva-bhūtanam [Bg 18.61]. And he works. Therefore the body is the ksetra, the field, and the individual soul is the worker. So he is working and getting the fruitive result, but at the same time, God is also with him. But He is everywhere. I am not everywhere. I am one individual. Do you understand? And that is the difference between God and me. I cannot say what you are now thinking now, or you cannot say what I am thinking. But God knows what you are thinking and what I am thinking, what he is thinking. That is the difference. That is explained. Ksetra-jnam capi mam. He is also within the body, but that is the difference between Him and you. You are limited within your body, and He is unlimited. He is everywhere. So how you can become God? Therefore one who says, "I am God," he's a fool. You cannot say what I am thinking now or what I am suffering. You cannot prove. But He can feel your suffering and feeling, and that is the difference. Here it is clearly said, ksetra-jnam ca. Ca means "also." "Also" means "I am there." Not one; two. Ksetra-jnam ca api mam viddhi. So God knows what I want, and according to my desire, He is giving me certain type of body-not directly, but through His energy, material nature. Bhramayan sarva-bhūtani yantrarūḍhani mayaya [Bg 18.61].

He has got so many agents. Parasya saktir vividhaiva srūyate [Svetasvatara Upanisad 6.8]. So this material nature is also one of the agents. And He knows what I desire. He's very friendly, that "This living entity wants this, so give him a body like this." So we get a body. Tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati [Bg 2.13]. So we have to change the body according to our desire. If we want to go to the higher planetary system, we can go. God will give us the facility. If you want to go to the lower planetary system, He'll give you. And if you want to go to Him, He'll give you. What is that verse? Yanti deva-vrata devan pitṝn yanti pitr-vrataḥ... [Bg 9.25].

Tamala Krsna: Bhūtani yanti bhūtejya...

Prabhupada: ...mad-yajino 'pi yanti mam. If you want to go the devas, you can go. If you want to remain here, you can remain here. If you want to go back to home, back to Godhead, you can go. All facilities are there. But don't lunatically say that "I am God. I am everything." Don't be. Jiva is part and parcel of God, but part and parcel means the same quality but not the same person. This finger is part and parcel of my body. If you cut this finger you will find the same blood. And if you cut here, the same blood. But the finger is not the whole body. The finger is finger; your body is body. The quality is the same. So if you thoroughly study the nature of the living being, you can have at least idea of what is God. Janmady asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. The Vedanta-sūtra says. Whatever desires I have got, wherefrom these desires come? It comes from God, because I am part and parcel of God. So the janmady asya yataḥ. I am born a person, so God must be a person. That is natural. A person is born from a person. [break] Why this obstinacy? Say me.

Tamala Krsna: What is your reply? Prabhupada wants you to reply to him.

German man: Reply what?

Prabhupada: You are searching after that one who has become many.

German man (1): I don't say. I don't search after that one?

Prabhupada: You said that you are searching after that one.

German man (1): I search...?

Prabhupada: Yes.

German man (1): No.

Prabhupada: You told me. You did not?

Tamala Krsna: You said that you were searching or looking for the one in many.

German man (1): Accha. Yes, I looked the one in many. Yes, I saw it, the one in many.

Tamala Krsna: You saw it.

German man (1): If I see, I'll be able to see the one...

Prabhupada: Yes.

German man (1): ...in many. Not to thought, but to search. I said to see.

Prabhupada: Here you can see. Why don't you see Krsna?

German man (1): Huh?

Prabhupada: Why don't you see Krsna?

German man (1): But I see Him.

Prabhupada: Then that is the one. You are looking after that one. So that He is. That is explained. Aham sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg 10.8].

German man (1): Sometimes I feel as Arjuna.

Prabhupada: No, you feel, that is another thing. You can feel so many things. That is not authorized. But if you are searching after that one, here is the one. That is accepted by the all authorities and acaryas. And He showed His visva-rūpa, viraḍ-rūpa, that everything is there. Practically Arjuna was shown the viraḍ-rūpa. So why don't you accept Him? What is your objection?

German man (1): I have no objection.

Prabhupada: Then why don't you accept?

Tamala Krsna: Then why don't you accept?

German man (1): I accept. Right when I got into Gita, I start to read it and I start to follow, I tried to follow.

Prabhupada: That's nice.

German man (1): I accepted completely.

Prabhupada: Then it is all right.

German man (1): I have no more hesitation about this.

Prabhupada: So we are preaching that "Here is God: Krsna." Our preaching is simple. Krsna says, "I am the Supreme." We say, "Krsna is the Supreme." That's all. We repeat. We don't manufacture. What is the use of manufacturing? I am imperfect. Whatever I manufacture, that is imperfect. So better to repeat the words of the perfect. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. He said, "Every one of you become guru and deliver your surrounding persons, either you are in family or in a neighborhood or in a society or in a nation-as much as you can." Amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc Madhya 7.128]. So whatever limited circle, you just become guru and deliver them. Deliver means deliver from the ignorance. Everyone is in ignorance, dehatma-buddhiḥ. Yasyatma-buddhiḥ kunape tri-dhatuke, sa eva go-kharaḥ [SB 10.84.13].

So we have to teach them that "You are not this body. You are pure soul. Your business is different." And that is enlightenment. That is business of guru. So we can do that business. And how to do it? That is... Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa [Cc Madhya 7.128]. You haven't got to manufacture anything. What Krsna has already said, you repeat. Finish. Don't make addition, alteration. Then you become guru. Very simple thing. If I say that "My father said, 'This is a bell,' " I am correct because I have learned it from my father, authority. I may be fool, rascal; it doesn't matter. But because I have learned it from the authority and presenting it that "This is a bell," this is perfect. Similarly, I cannot become guru because I am imperfect. My senses are imperfect. I cannot see what is beyond this wall, although I am very much proud of my eyes. I want to see. What you can see? Imperfect, all senses. But if some authority says that "Beyond this wall this is the..., like this," it is all right. So we have to follow this path, that you become guru, deliver your neighborhood men, associates, but speak the authoritative words of Krsna. Then it will act.

So our this Krsna consciousness movement is like that. We do not manufacture ideas. That has spoiled the whole world. Just like you said about Christ. That he never said "Supreme Lord." He said, "I am son of God. I have brought message from Him." Similarly, our position is that "We have got a message from Krsna. Take it." So we have no difficulty. Anyone can say. If we study Bhagavad-gita nicely, assimilate and repeat it, it will act. Krsna says, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg 18.65].

We are teaching that "You always think of Krsna. You become a devotee. You worship Him and offer your obeisances." It doesn't require to become very learned scholar. Anyone can do it. A child can do it. We are teaching. Where is the difficulty? Hmm? Is there any difficulty? Why don't you do that? Why you are making so big, big program without any effect? Take the simple program, and preach everywhere. That is being done. We are preaching this philosophy all over the world, and they are accepting. You know that. In Europe, America, Australia, Canada-in all parts of the world they are appreciating. Even the Africans, they are chanting, dancing. So if I have manufactured some theory and with a limited circle I am satisfied, that is good? Or Krsna's program, Caitanya Mahaprabhu's program, which is being accepted all over the world-that is good or this is good? Which one is good? So everyone is manufacturing some concoction, and he's satisfied with few followers. But we have got Krsna's program, and it is being followed all over the world. So which one is good: with some limited circle or all over the world? There is a proof. We are not theoretical.

German man (1): Is Krsna's vision what He liked?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

German man (1): Is Krsna's own vision what He liked?

Tamala Krsna: What is your vision?

German man (1): I don't know. [indistinct-very faint audio]

Tamala Krsna: He says... It's hard to understand what he's getting at. He says, "It's Krsna's vision, He..."

German man (1): [indistinct] circle or a limited circle?

Prabhupada: Anything...

German man (1): Or Krsna consciousness is all over the world? It is His own vision, or Krsna's own vision, what He wants to do is this?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is Krsna consciousness.

German man (1): So if He creates a circle, maybe a small circle, as He creates consciousness all over the world. It's His consciousness.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is Krsna consciousness. Now all over the world they are chanting Hare Krsna. That's a fact.

German man (1): What is happening [indistinct]. One soul has to come back to this earth.

Tamala Krsna: He says a great devotee has to come to this earth and make this mission spread all over the world.

Prabhupada: Yes. Without Krsna's authorized person, nobody can do it. Krsna-sakti vina nahi nama-pracara [Cc Antya 7.11]. Without being empowered by Krsna, nobody can do it.

German man: You have surrendered completely?

Prabhupada: Yes I do that. That is the real work. I know my Guru Maharaja. He said that you do throughout the world. So I am trying to serve him. [indistinct]

German man (1): [indistinct]

Prabhupada: There is another statement by Caitanya Mahaprabhu about Krsna consciousness: yei bhaje sei baḍa, abhakta-hina chara krsna-bhajane nahi jati-kuladi-vicara [Cc Antya 4.67]. Anyone who is a devotee of Krsna, he is considered highly qualified, sei bhakta. He is not ordinary. Abhakta hina chara. But one who is not devotee of Krsna, he is condemned. Then, is there any particular nation or creed who can take it? No. Krsna bhajana nahi jati-kuladi. If one wants to take to Krsna, there is no condition behind that he should belong to such and such country, such and such religion. Anyone can do it. Mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuḥ papa-yonayaḥ [Bg 9.32]. It doesn't matter. We discriminate mlecchas, yavanas. But Krsna doesn't. Krsna says

There is no restriction. You can practically see them. Before that they were all mlecchas, yavanas, and now they are vaisnavas. [aside: Please come. yei bhaje sei bada.

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