March 19, 1976, Mayapura
Prabhupada: "These people, they have no illicit sex, no intoxication?" Oh, immediately they become praising, "Such wonderful men. No illicit sex?" which is unknown to you, the Western people.
Prabhupada: Yes. Superman, actually. That is the fact.
Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, today starts a big international convention for the Association for Asian Studies, and we're there. It's in Toronto. We have an advertisement in this book, with Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, with a quote by that Bruce Long. And we have that big sign at our booth: "The largest publisher and distributor of books on the philosophy, culture and religion of India." This shows also with all the exhibitors, we're listed, the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. And this is where we are, this booth here.
Prabhupada: So who is taking care?
Satsvarupa: Two of the library men who didn't come, just so they could go to this convention.
Prabhupada: [break] ...therefore they search. And who goes to the airport? All respectable gentlemen, who can pay lump sum for air fare. So he's also searched out. That means there is no gentlemen. The airport security is searching through. Then in this world there is no gentleman, no honest men.
Hamsaduta: Everyone is suspected.
Prabhupada: All rascals. This is the position.
Prabhupada: They also sometimes show me the favor, but generally.... Sometimes they also search.
Prabhupada: Yes. No, like this. (laughter) That way.
Devotee (1): That's a great mercy for them.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is mercy. When they excuse a saintly person, that is, that is their great mercy. Now, according to Vedic law, a saintly person is never subjected to any law. He's paramahamsa. He's never.... Rather, the order is he must be given all help that he wants. That is the Vedic civilization. And brahmacari, sannyasis, they should be treated as children at home, so that wherever they go, they will be treated just like children: "Oh, he's my son. He's my dependent." They will treat like that. And they also go to every home: "Mother, give me some food." So he's children, as the child asks from the mother, "Give me some food." This is system. This is civilization. And M.A., Ph.D., and searching after woman, how to induce her, and being searched out in the airport, whether he's a rogue—what is this education? We don't want this education. [break] ...student life we have seen practically, one big professor, Dr. Brajendranatha Sri. So he had another Ph.D. student, and that student kidnapped his daughter and went away. He was so educated that kidnapped his teacher's or the master's daughter and went away. . What is that word? Kamatura.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone is kamaturam. Prahlada Maharaja, millions of years ago, a five-years-old boy, he's stating what is the position of the materialistic person. This is Bhagavata. [break] ...education system should be stopped, rascal, producing rascals and hippies in the university. What is the use of this education? Atheists, putting simply theories, and that is also nonsense, and it is going on in the name of education. [break]...Pandita says.... Who is pandita? Recite.
Prabhupada: Eh? Eh.
Prabhupada: No, no. Para-dravyesu lostravat. The.... Is.... It is moral instruction, what to speak of high education. Means it, preliminary moral education. That is,
This is learned. What is the meaning? Explain.
Prabhupada: No, no. He'll explain.
Devotee (1): Matrvat para-daresu. Para-dara means "every woman." "Who can see every woman like, like mother..."
Prabhupada: "Belonging to others."
Devotee (1): Yes, "of others." So who can see like lostravat...
Prabhupada: That is para-drav...
Devotee (1): ...rubbish, or like rubbish, cannot take, cannot pick up. Matrvat para-daresu para-dravyesu lostravat, atmavat sarva-bhutesu: "Every living entity," atmavat, "like he himself."
Prabhupada: Yes, as we feel pains and pleasures...
Prabhupada: ...they should know the others also will feel. If my throat is cut, I feel, and "Why shall I cut the throat of another, poor animal?" This is learned man. And this rascal, maintaining slaughterhouse, and learned man? And they cannot understand. And big, big priests, they'll defend: "Oh, this 'Thou shalt not kill' means it is meant for the men, not for the ani..." They'll put arguments. Christ says clearly, "Thou shall not kill" and they will defend.
Trivikrama: Even abortion they are defending.
Trivikrama: Even abortion.
Prabhupada: Yes. And this is going on as education, as saintly person, priest. These things are going on in the name of religion, in the name of education. How much fallen this world is, just try to understand. As soon as they are caught up, they'll defend only by arguments, counter-arguments.
Prabhupada: No. How they can have standard? Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-gunah. How they can have good standard? Because they are atheists, godless, there cannot be. That is the test. As soon as he is godless, he's rascal. Never mind M.A., Ph.D. That's all. This is our conclusion. As soon as you know that "Here is a godless atheist," he is rascal. Bas, finished. Exactly like.... Suppose you are in India, and if you think, "No, there is no government. It is going on automatically," then you are rascal, immediately. Is it very sane man, sane man's statement, statement, that "No, no, there is no God. It is going on"? So atheist means rascal. Such a nice arrangement is going on, exactly at 6:15 the sun is there, and "There is no government. There is no God." Just see how rascaldom. And then what it is? "By chance." And he is scientist. We have to consider them educated scientists? Are we going to be fooled like that? "There is no government." "There is no father." How the child came? "There is no father." Just see. A woman has got a child. And if somebody says, "Yes, she has got child, but there is no need of a father," is that sane man's proposal? Nature is producing, and nature is prakrti, but where is the purusa? Prakrti-purusa. So without purusa, how prakrti can produce? That purusam sasvatam adyam, Krsna.... Is that all right?
Prabhupada: Adi-purusam. Govindam adi-purusam, that purusa. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami. We are worshiping that supreme and original person. And the women are declaring, "independent." They are begging door to door to a man, "Please give me shelter. Give me a child," and they're independent. One American woman, was.... She was speaking that "In India the woman are treated as slave. We don't want." So I told her that it is better to become slave of one person than to slave of become hundreds. (laughter) The woman must become a slave. So instead of becoming slaves of so many persons, it is better to remain satisfied, a slave of one person. So she was stopped. She was the secretary of that Dr. Misra. You know that? And our Vedic civilization says, nari-rupam pati-vratam: "The woman is beautiful when she remains as a slave to the husband." That is the beauty, not the personal beauty. How much she has learned to remain as a slave to the husband, that is Vedic civilization. Kokilanam svaro rupam. The cuckoo, it is black bird, but why people love it? Because of the sweet voice. Kokilanam svaro rupam vidya-rupam kurupanam. A man may be ugly, black, but if he's learned, everyone will respect him. And nari-rupam pati-vratam. And the beauty of woman is how much she is devoted and obedient to the husband. So it is very difficult. [break]
Devotee (2): Prabhupada, the education is to teach the students how to find out on their own. They say if you take authority from somebody else, it just stifles their growth, and that is not actually knowledge, that is not learning. But you encourage them or give them the facility...
Prabhupada: But why the rascal is called to the school? He may learn at home.
Devotee (2): Well, they want to condition them...
Devotee (2): ...with various values.
Prabhupada: What is the value? If you are calling him to take education from the school, that means he is accepting authority. Let him be educated at home. Why the college?
Devotee: But in the classrooms, they simply...
Prabhupada: No, no, no, first of all, the principle? What is this principle?
Ramesvara: To train him in the methods of...
Prabhupada: Yes. So that means authority. You are teaching him to accept the authority. And you are teaching against authority. Everything contradictory. One side, contraceptive; one side, illicit sex. And the.... But Vedic civilization says, "All right, as soon as woman is widow, let her remain as a saintly woman—no more sex." But "No, you can marry and you can have sex hundred times daily, but use contraceptive." Is that civilization? To train one woman not to have any more sex, this is also contraceptive. And another way that "You can have sex any amount, as many times as you like. Take this contraceptive." Whose civilization better? And you call him to be trained up to accept authority and teach him, "Don't accept any authority." Is that education? Nonsense.
Hamsaduta: They're doing that.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are doing that.
Prabhupada: Well, secul.... Whatever you name it, you're all set of rascals. That's all. (laughter) You can change the name in different way, but on the whole, you are all set of rascals. This is the whole world's beauty.
Panca-dravida: This modern theory, Prabhupada, is that if a person wants to.... If he can maintain more than one wife nicely and wants to keep more than one wife, they won't allow. But if he can keep many young girls and spoil every one of them, that is...
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.
Prabhupada: And advertise publicly: "Topless, bottomless women are available here. Come here. School is open at ten o'clock at night. It goes on up to four." I have seen it. This is civilization, nightclub and topless, bottomless shop.
Ramesvara: The women argue, Srila Prabhupada, that they can be given.... If they are given a good chance, they can make equal contribution in business, in science. So they are demanding equal rights, equal employment.
Prabhupada: So why.... Why not equal rights that you stop producing children like the man? The man does not produce. Why you are obliged to produce?
Ramesvara: That is their special qualification.
Prabhupada: That is.... Similarly, everything is special. You are a different entity. You must have different engagements. That is your perfection.
Ramesvara: But we all have.... The women and men, they all have the same brain, they say.
Prabhupada: No, that I protested in Chicago. Yes. "And no, that is not the fact. The fact is man has 64 ounce. The woman has 36 ounce.... Highest."
Devotee (2): They'll say intelligence is not dependent on the size of the brain.
Prabhupada: They say anything because they are rascals. A rascal can say anything. Pagale ki na bale chagale kiba na khaya: "A madman, what he does not say? And a goat, what he does not eat?" (laughter)
Prabhupada: Vedic civilization means you don't talk rascal. Hear only. Sruti. This is Vedic civilization: "You rascal, don't talk. Simply hear." This is Vedic civilization, sruti. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet: [MU 1.2.12] "Go to guru and hear from him." That is Vedic civilization. Don't talk, rascal. This is Vedic civilization. And Vedic civilization begins, Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. This is Vedic civilization: "Don't talk, rascal. Just, just carry out what I say." This is Vedic civilization.
Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, in one BTG article, you listed...
Radhavallabha: In one BTG article, you described increase in women population as a natural disaster.
Radhavallabha: So when one woman read this article, she became very angry. She came back and was very angry.
Prabhupada: She may be angry. She is woman and man. Actually this is physiological. If a man is too much addicted to sex life, he'll become impotent, and if he begets child, it will be a girl. With no potency to give birth to a male child.... That requires potency.
Hamsaduta: When we were going around in London making life members, I noticed that in so many families, all the children are girls.
Prabhupada: Yes. The whole world is full of girls, girl children. Why? There is no potency. Potency finished. Or impotent. And if you keep one boy brahmacari, no sex life, and get him married, the first child must be a boy, must be, without any doubt.
Lokanatha: That means, then, woman is more potent than...
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Yes. The Ayur-vedic formula is that when there is discharge, woman's discharge, more, means girl, and man's discharge, more, means boy. This is physiological.
Ramesvara: The women argue that they are stronger than the men.
Prabhupada: Yes. You are stronger than the man, that when there is fight, the man goes; you do not go. You are so strong. You are simply ravished in the absence of your husband. That's all.
Ramesvara: Now.... The women are joining the Army in America now.
Prabhupada: Yes, I have seen a police in London. So I told that "If I catch your hand and give you a slap, where is your police?" (laughter) "I am old man. If I catch your hand and give you a slap, what police action will be there?"
Panca-dravida: In the Krsna book the gopis say that "The great prostitute," I forget the name, "Pimba," or something, "says that..."
Prabhupada: Kubja, Kubja, Kubja.
Panca-dravida: Yeah, she said.... That prostitute has said "Disappointment is the greatest pleasure."
Prabhupada: Why you are asking me? (laughter) As if I have to keep account of prostitute. (laughter) What is this nonsense? There was a big educationist, Visacandra Vidyasagara(?). So.... So to show compassion to the prostitutes, at night in a.... In India I have seen in our childhood, prostitute, they stand on the road. And in Paris I have seen.
Hamsaduta: Yeah, everywhere.
Prabhupada: Everywhere, they.... So, so they're standing—no customer at two o'clock. It is very cold. So Vidyasagara will take compassion: "All right, you take two rupees. Go home. Sleep." And that is in Vidyasagara's life, compassionate to the prostitute. By giving her two rupees, will she change her profession? But this learned man, he thought like that, that "She is standing in the severe cold. All right, let me.... Let me.... Let me give her two rupees. Then go home. Don't take so much..." He's Vidyasagara. The vidya-sagara means "ocean of education." And Haridasa Thakura—a prostitute came for three nights and converted her to a devotee. That's it. That is real compassion, not that "Take two rupees and go home." No. Turn her. That is real compassion, to turn everyone to become Krsna conscious. That is the greatest welfare activity in the world. Otherwise there cannot be any peace or prosperity. Where is Tamala Krsna?
Dhrstadyumna: Srila Prabhupada, he had a cold, and he's lying down.
Prabhupada: Oh. Why cold?
Lokanatha: In Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada, you are mentioning that prostitute is needed in the society.
Prabhupada: Yes, for the rascals. Otherwise they will pollute the innocent girls. The innocent girls.... That is the policy of the Western civilization, that "Let the karmis enjoy new, new girls and be energetic to produce machine." This is the European civilization, American civilization. Because the karmis, unless they have sufficient sex intercourse, they cannot work, so this is the policy: "Let all the girls remain open." They.... "Let them use and produce atomic bomb. Show your brain." The.... Just like the marriage.... According to Vedic civilization, marriage is allowed to the karmis. It is not that marriage allowed to the sannyasi or brahmacari. The karmis require sex. Therefore.... Why marriage is allowed to the grhastha? Why not to the brahmacari, vanaprastha or sannyasi? Why it is not recommended? Because the karmis require that enlivenment. Therefore they are allowed to marry. So in the European civilization it is only karmis. There is no question of brahmacari, vanaprastha or sannyasa. There is no such idea. Therefore they want new, new girls. And that they have kept, this artificial law.
Prabhupada: Yes. And no prostitution. And no prostitution, what means? That means there is prostitutes in the society.
Prabhupada: Now, the Vedic civilization is "All right, you are not satisfied, one woman, don't pollute the innocent girls or in the home. Go to the prostitute." Still, in big, big cities, there is a quarter, prostitute quarter, still. They are professional prostitutes.
Prabhupada: Oh. Picture, Fifth Canto. You see the description of the hell.
Panca-dravida: Hell. But I mean, within the society itself, there was punishment there also from the king?
Prabhupada: Everyone who will commit sinful activities will be punished. That is nature's law. Exactly like that: If you infect some disease, you must suffer from that disease. The nature's law is so strict, and it is going on. It doesn't require any supervision. The supervisions are already made so perfect. You infect this disease: you suffer from it. That's all.
Prabhupada: Anywhere, if you break the laws, you suffer. Anywhere.
Devotee (2): Prabhupada, science has develop methods where they can have sense gratification and.... Just like if they get some disease they can give them some medicine, and then the disease goes away very easily. So in this way, they're actually giving more facility for more sense gratification.
Prabhupada: So do you like to accept it, that disease? Therefore it has been condemned, prayascitta. Perhaps you have read it in the beginning of Sixth Canto. Prayascitta... Pariksit Maharaja condemned, "What is the use of this Vedic prayascitta if it is suffering, again and again? Then what is the use?" That he has condemned. But prayascitta vimarsanam. Therefore the rascal should be given knowledge that "You are attacked with some disease. Very good. You are injected with some medicine. You are cured. Then again you are attacked. So why you are going in this way? Stop it." And that is knowledge. That knowledge is also not perfect, because even a man in knowledge, he knows that "If I go to prostitute, I'll be attacked with syphilitic poison, and last time I had the same trouble. I had to spend so much money." But still he'll go, because he has no knowledge. So even one has no knowledge, if he takes to Krsna consciousness, then he becomes detestful: "Oh..." That is the, mean, gift of bhakti.
That the whole world is dark, misty. So you can invent so many means. Just like they have got, what is called, crackers? In the mist? Sometimes that is blown so that warn people that "Don't come here. There is danger."
Prabhupada: Yes. So you can invent so many means of curing the danger. But as soon as the sun is there, immediately all mist is over. Similarly, we have invented so many medicines and counteractions for so many things. But if one becomes a devotee, all these troubles immediately.... That is the only one medicine. He has no more any inclination. Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace: [Cc. Madhya 22.42] "No more I want." And that is wanted. [break] ...asmi varam na yace. One should be fully satisfied: "No more I want this material disease. That's all. Enough of it." That mentality required: "I don't want anything material facility." Sannyasa means that, that "I shall live with the minimum necessities of life and simply devote..." That is sannyasa. "I shall become a sannyasi and enjoy all material facilities"—that is not sannyasa. [break] ...recommended that "If there is no need, don't take even cloth. Remain naked." That is sannyasa. But because we have to preach, because we have to go the people, therefore some covering. Otherwise, this is also not necessary for a sannyasi. Nothing. Lie down on the floor like the Sukadeva Gosvami said, and take water in your palm, no dress. Sukadeva was also not dressing, naked. That is the perfection of sannyasa. [break] Where is Jayapataka? [break] ...talk with this boy. He wanted to.... [break] ...make. He's offering a land. Did you talk with him?
Jayapataka: No. I sent.... Satadhanya talked with him.
Satadhanya: This man right here?
Jayapataka: No, a different. This boy?
Satadhanya: Yeah, we gave him one room last night. He's staying. And prasada.
Prabhupada: That's nice. Bengali [break]
Jayapataka: The Gurukula teachers had one question, Srila Prabhupada.
Jayapataka: At one time, you had instructed that all the children should attend the main class. They say that some of the very small children have trouble to keep their attention...
Prabhupada: No, no. Not small...
Jayapataka: So they found that if they attend a separate...
Prabhupada: It is common sense. Also attend many child in the lap of his mother. You see? He should also...?
Jayapataka: Yeah, they find those seven-, eight-year-old, they attend better a small, private reading.
Prabhupada: Yes, that's nice. But one thing is that if they can attend, even by hearing the Vedic mantras they'll be benefited. Even they.... Therefore I give stress on chanting the mantra, so that if one cannot chant and can under.... Simply by hearing, he'll be benefited. [break] Hm.
Jayapataka: I haven't seen personally. Have you seen them outside? It was supposed to be...
Prabhupada: So, where is the painting?
Jayapataka: Ramesvara said it's ready to see.
Ramesvara: Jadurani was saying he paints dark. He usually.... His style is to paint with dark colors
Prabhupada: No, no. It should be bright because...
Devotee (3): Effulgent.
Radhavallabha: Also, he was worried that when the sun hits it, after a certain time it will just fade away.
Prabhupada: Then we should use such color which may not fade away. The picture is all right. The picture is all right. Simply it has to be made more bright. It is India. It is not London, always foggy. (laughter) (end)