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Morning Walk
March 18, 1976, Mayapura Hamsaduta: ...Yeah. That's auspicious
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hamsaduta: That's auspicious?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: [break] ...moon is going around the earth.
Gurudasa: Tree.
Prabhupada: So why the moon is, particularly rises from the eastern side? The moon, according to the...
Prabhupada: The moon is going round like this. So why the moon is rising from the eastern side? It is going around. Why it appears from the eastern side?
Devotee: They say because the earth is spinning on an axis.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Gurudasa: What's the answer, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: So you answer. He has understood.
Pusta Krsna: According to Bhagavatam, the moon is not going around the earth. It is revolving around Mount Sumeru. Isn't it?
Prabhupada: Yes. According Bhagavata, that is a different thing. But this...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: Random.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: Well, they say it has a fixed orbit around the earth.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hamsaduta: It has a fixed orbit around the earth.
Jayatirtha: Krsna.
Prabhupada: And the sun is also rising from the east. But sun is fixed up, and the moon is moving. So why they are coming from the same side?
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Prabhupada: Is that question answered?
Prabhupada: The sun is fixed up.
Prabhupada: Earth is turning, and moon is turning. But why the sun and moon rises from the same side?
Prabhupada: Just talk if it is proper answer.
Prabhupada: What he is doing on the roof?
Gurudasa: ...rather than the chaos.
Prabhupada: Vedic explanation is that moon is not going round the earthly planet. [break]
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krsna: Because children all over the world in schools, they're taught simply that the moon is going around the earth. They shouldn't question it.
Prabhupada: Oh, they say, "You should not question"?
Prabhupada: My point is: if the moon is going round the earth, beginning from here to there, similarly, the sun is also going around earth, because we see the similar way, it is rising and going that way. So how you can say one is fixed, one is standing? The process, we find the same. How you can say that this is fixed and this is going around? Why is...? If the process is the same, then the result will be the same.
Prabhupada: And the.... And the moon is not seen also for fifteen days in the morning (month?). As a layman, we should say that, as the moon is rising from this side and going to this side, the sun is also rising from this side. So if the moon is moving, the sun is moving.
Panca-dravida: If that's true, then how does.... What about the changes in the moon's face? Sometimes...
Prabhupada: True or nontrue, I am layman. I am saying that if the moon is rising from this side and going to this side, so sun is also rising from this side and going to this side. So if the moon is moving, the sun is moving.
Prabhupada: Huh? Yes, I am a layman. Actually sun is moving, but they say fixed up.
Panca-dravida: [break] ...moving the same, though, the moon would always appear full, and it goes through changes, or phases.
Prabhupada: Yes. Why it, the moon is...?
Jayapataka: [break] They say that everything is moving. Both the earth is moving, sun is moving and the moon is moving, but everything has got its own time. Moon is moving once around in twenty-eight days, and our earth is moving around in 365 days, and sun is also moving in its own time.
Prabhupada: But they say sun, fixed up.
Jayapataka: No, they don't say fixed up.
Panca-dravida: They say there's a point called the galactic center of the universe, and everything is moving around that point.
Trivikrama: They say like that.
Prabhupada: So what is that center?
Jayapataka: That they can't find out.
Balavanta: Somewhere near the sun. They've just imagined it. It's close to the sun, but not exactly the sun. It's the center, they say.
Prabhupada: So our Bhagavata says the whole planetary system is moving like this.
Prabhupada: Centering the polestar.
Jayapataka: They admit that there's some center of the universe. Everything is going around that, including the sun. But they don't know exactly where it is.
Prabhupada: That is polestar.
Pusta Krsna: No, that's admitted, that the polestar, the stars are revolving around, everything. They take photographs.
Gurudasa: Are the moon's phases due to the planet Rahu, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Gurudasa: Are the moon's phases due to the planet Rahu?
Prabhupada: Space?
Gurudasa: Waxing and the waning of the moon.
Prabhupada: No.
Prabhupada: That I should not exactly immediately say.
Gurudasa: We don't accept.
Prabhupada: But moon is far away from the sun. That is from Bhagavatam.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada, there's another question I have. I remember on a walk.... I have read in your books that the moon's glowing is due to reflecting the sun. Then I remember on a walk in Vrndavana you said that the moon is fiery just like the sun, but there's a cooling atmosphere around it. So is it actually fiery glow, or is it simply a reflecting glow?
Prabhupada: That is stated in Bhagavatam.
Gurudasa: It says reflection in the Bhagavata.
Prabhupada: No, it is also a fiery place. But it is because it is far away from the sun, it is not so glowing.
Prabhupada: The reflection theory is the modern theory.
Prabhupada: Yes. Sometimes I have said or taken this modern theory.
Prabhupada: That is due to the movement of the sun.
Prabhupada: Movement of the sun.
Prabhupada: But they say sun if fixed up.
Prabhupada: That is always doing, but it takes little time. But the movement of the sun, uttara and daksina, what is their explanation?
Pusta Krsna: They say that the earth is tilting like this. The sun is fixed. When the earth tilts like this in the northern hemisphere there is summer, and when it tilts like this, the southern hemisphere, there's summer. It's tilting back and forth as it revolves around the sun.
Prabhupada: Tilting?
Prabhupada: But they say it is...
Trivikrama: Twenty-three degrees from the north pole.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hamsaduta: It's simultaneously going around the sun, and also, in itself, it is turning. And then it's sometimes tilting on a particular axis. It's simultaneously moving around the so-called central sun...
Prabhupada: But for six months that, it tilts?
Hamsaduta: And then it also spins, the globe spins, and then it also...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hamsaduta: It has different tilts. It takes different degrees.
Hamsaduta: And when the sun's rays hit the earth at a particular angle, it becomes cooler or hotter. This is their sum and substance.
Tamala Krsna: While it's spinning, it's not just spinning straight up and down. It's on an axis. So it's spinning like this, not like this. Like this.
Hamsaduta: Yeah. And then it is tilting.
Hamsaduta: Yeah, for instance, in Sweden, they have a certain part of the year when it is always dark. So they say this is because the earth's axis has shifted so that.... Yeah.
Prabhupada: So your work is going to begin today? No?
Jayapataka: Pardon?
Jayapataka: Mahesvara told me the work is going on.
Devotee (1): He said some men are coming today.
Jayapataka: Yes. More are coming today.
Prabhupada: So they are having no difficulty?
Hamsaduta: On the whole, the devotees don't appear to be falling sick as they have in previous years.
Hamsaduta: They seem to be well and happy.
Trivikrama: The devotees are getting better every year.
Jayapataka: ...make a suggestion before they leave, have a little meeting, things that could be improved. Then next year we could even make it better.
Prabhupada: Very good. Yes. Make that suggestion.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Prabhupada: No.
Prabhupada: No planet is fixed except the sun. All are fixed up. But the whole thing is moving. That is Bhagavatam. And that you can see at night.
Gurudasa: What'd he say?
Gurudasa: The sun is fixed.
Prabhupada: It is like a tree, just like this. This is moving, and the sun is moving, and all other planets, they are fixed.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Prabhupada: Moon, that is..., of course, I do not remember, but (laughs) the whole planetary system is moving.
Prabhupada: Yes. Sun is also moving.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Jayapataka: Everything is moving around the sun, and the sun is moving around the polestar.
Hari-sauri: Like that tree, if the tree revolves by itself, like that, then the sun(?) is going around the whole thing.
Prabhupada: This is also another intelligent.
Hari-sauri: The tree is just moving like that, and the different branches, they remain in the same position in relationship to the center of the tree.
Hari-sauri: So the whole universe moves around. Every twenty-four hours it does one rotation. And then the sun is also round all that.
Prabhupada: The moon.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Gurudasa: It seems to be one and different simultaneously.
Prabhupada: No, no, not like that point. (laughs)
Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, are the planets shaped liked balls or more like plates? Because it's, it's hard to understand, 'cause they're called dvipas, "islands." Their roundness is the roundness of a plate or like a ball?
Prabhupada: Which one?
Satsvarupa: The earth planet?
Prabhupada: If it is like a tree, then these things can be as dvipa, island.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Tamala Krsna: The scientists are getting smashed to bits by your statements, Srila Prabhupada. This destroys their whole theory. Orbs, round spheres. I think that this Mayapura building, we must build a big planetarium in it.
Prabhupada: Yes. That, that I am going to do, Vedic planetarium.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, boy. You're going to bring a lot of.... A lot of scientists will come here just to dispute this.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: World people will come to see the way the planetary systems...
Tamala Krsna: We should advertise it very widely that this is the actual, factual explanation of the universe.
Prabhupada: This will be automatically advertised. As soon as the temple is finished, people will come like anything.
Prabhupada: The thing is, on principle, we shall only go against them.
Hamsaduta: Contrary.
Prabhupada: On principle. Whatever they say "Yes," we say "No." (laughter)
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prabhupada: Eclipse are.... So that Rahu planet comes to attack the sun and the moon. And when it comes, it becomes dark.
Prabhupada: How do I attack you?
Prabhupada: Happening, that attack.... Suppose if I come to attack you and if I am in front, then you cannot see.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. Just like Prabhupada's.... I'm standing behind him, and when he attacks you, I can't see you.
Nanda-kumara: By the scientist's calculation of what's happening with the revolving, they can predict an eclipse.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Prabhupada: Well we can also predict.
Gurudasa: Actually, even the scientists say there is astrological reasons behind Rahu the planet.
Panca-dravida: So they're predicting five thousand years before the scientists. This is the explanation.
Prabhupada: No, when there was no civilization.
Prabhupada: Eh? They...
Prabhupada: Yes. Three thousand years...
Prabhupada: ...before, there was no civilization.
Tamala Krsna: I just.... I read that recently in an anthropology book, that 3000 B.C. means five thousand years ago, everyone was living in.... Especially in this part of the world, people were simply living in caves.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: They had very crude tools for making their things. Practically they were all like animals.
Prabhupada: So how this literature came?
Prabhupada: One thousand.... But where are other literatures like that, 1,500 years, in Europe and other places?
Prabhupada: So only the literatures were here in India?
Prabhupada: Mythology maybe, but so purposeful verses, where is in other country?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Balavanta: Bhagavad-gita's philosophy...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Then?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Trivikrama: Each verse, so...
Prabhupada: Each rich.... Is it impossible to compose verses by the cavemen? How foolish they are. Not only that, in Mahabharata there are 100,000 verses. In Bhagavata, there are 18,000 verses. In the Puranas... Where is such rich literature? If they were cavemen, wherefrom this literature came?
Satsvarupa: They also said Krsna was a tribal chief. But how could He speak such philosophy?
Prabhupada: How rascal they are.
Prabhupada: The best class of men, the Aryans, and they were worshiping a tribal chief! And what was Arjuna? He was also a tribal chief? Arjuna said that "I become Your disciple." So what was he, that he is submitting to a tribal chief? Sisyas te 'ham sadhi mam tvam prapannam [Bg. 2.7]. And He's teaching Bhagavad-gita?
Lokanatha: Which is being read after five thousand years.
Prabhupada: And still, they cannot assimilate it, so much, so-called civilized men, they cannot understand even the beginning of Bhagavad-gita, tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13], that there is transmigration of the soul, these rascals. And who is tribal chief?
Hamsaduta: Just to master the language takes twelve years.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: What to speak of understanding the content.
Jayapataka: [break] ...exhibit the farce of modern science.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Jayapataka: Farce of modern science, and every philosophy and science group, where they are just cheating the public. Then exhibit how Krsna consciousness is showing the real way.
Prabhupada: Yes. So do that in this planetarium.
Prabhupada: That is...
Gurudasa: Srila Prabhupada, a few years ago I presented an exposition, and in that was a planetarium, and also there was an exhibit called "Man's Relationship with God," which was the alternative to modern anthropology, showing how anthropology is not valid and man's relationship with God is the valid thing, and then regulation is the preventative of the disease, is the alternative to psychology or behaviorism, like that. All these exhibitors can be there, showing how science is false and Krsna consciousness...
Prabhupada: So whatever thoughts are coming, you note it. Keep it. We shall utilize it with reference, with reference to the sastra.
Gurudasa: Jaya. [break]
Jayapataka: This special exhibition building?
Hamsaduta: New exhibit.
Prabhupada: New exhibit.
Hamsaduta: Otherwise it will become stale.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: 'Cause we have so much material.
Gurudasa: It should be done very easily.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Gurudasa: By conveyor belts and...
Prabhupada: No, here, the doll-makers, they can make dolls within fifteen days. Finished. They can do, so expert.
Gurudasa: That should be life-size.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Gurudasa: It should be life-size, like walking into the forest of Naimisaranya.
Prabhupada: Life-size or not life-size. Three feet, four feet, that will be...
Hamsaduta: The old exhibits can be sold to the visiting temples. They can take them back to their...
Prabhupada: No, that is not possible.
Jayapataka: BBT.... BBT did such nice packing with this modern styrofoam that they could easily move even fragile dolls.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] What is that?
Jayapataka: They brought the glass light thing, and they didn't break it, with this plastic foam.
Prabhupada: Oh, oh. That plastic bullet is now in motorcar. Even if you fire, it will not enter, the bullet. Is it not?
Gurudasa: Windows? Plastic in the motorcar?
Gurudasa: They have something in regular cars that if it hits, it won't break.
Gurudasa: And in the cars of big men they have bullet-proof glass. [break]
Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, the devotees.... Satadhanya was asking if there could be a group photograph on the grass this morning after class? For five minutes?
Prabhupada: [break] .... that we are killing vegetables, but actually we are not killing. They are already dead. Hm?
Gurudasa: Also there's a verse in the Bhagavatam that says there may be a fire on the ground, but the seed underneath the ground is still living. The tops may be cut, but the seed is still living. [break]
Prabhupada: ...painting he has made?
Prabhupada: Oh.
Prabhupada: Jaya.
Radhavallabha: [break] They keep putting their pictures there. I keep taking them off.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Radhavallabha: ISKCON Amsterdam keeps putting their pictures up in front of the books. I keep taking them down. They keep putting them up again.
Prabhupada: Hm? Why you are taking?
Radhavallabha: They can't see the books.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Radhavallabha: It's not possible to see the books with the pictures up. They can put them down at the end where there is some room. [break]
Prabhupada: Hm?
Prabhupada: The dress, (indistinct).
Babaji(?): (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali conversation) What is this? (Bengali) (end)
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