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Morning Walk
February 19, 1974, Bombay Prabhupada: ...impersonalist or personalist. Who is better? That is explained, that personalists are better posted than the impersonalists. Gatir duhk..., avyakta hi gatir duhkham dehavadbhir avapyate.
Mr. Sar: Yes.
Prabhupada: They simply suffer, that's all. It is already explained. The impersonalists, they cannot concentrate their mind upon the Supreme, and simply hodgepodge. Therefore they suffer.
Mr. Sar: Yes.
Prabhupada: Mayavadis, they suffer only. Tesam klesala eva sisyate. In Bhagavata it is explained, "Their gain is only suffering." That's all.
Mr. Sar: That's why they...
Prabhupada: Simply trying to know, know, know.
Mr. Sar: Know.
Prabhupada: You see? So, tesam klesala eva sisyate: "Their gain is simply their trying for, that labor." Nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam: "It is exactly like one is beating the husk."
Mr. Sar: Yes, and not getting that thing.
Prabhupada: There is no rice...
Mr. Sar: No rice even.
Prabhupada: Simply "gad, gad, gad, gad, gad, gad."
Mr. Sar: "Gad, gad, gad, gad, gad, gad, gad."
Prabhupada: That's all. Tesam klesala eva sisyate nanyad yatha sthula-tusavaghatinam. So these impersonalists, they are trying to approach the Absolute Truth, but the method is not very good.
Mr. Sar: (mumbles verse) ...avyaktam.
Prabhupada: Hm. No, Krsna says...
Mr. Sar: ...tesam paryupa...
Mr. Sar: Ah. Yavan yas casmi...
Prabhupada: He never says that "By mental speculation, one can understand." He never says.
Mr. Sar: He's beyond the reach of the mind.
Prabhupada: Yes. Manusyanam sahasresu... (Hindi)
So to know God, it is not very easy job. And in the Vedas also, it is stated, nayam atma pravacanena labhyo na medhaya na bahuna srutena. So this process is not good.
Mr. Sar: That is, He shows His grace, isn't it? That means isn't it, whom He selects, whom the Lord selects?
Prabhupada: Yes. And in the Bhagavad-gita also, the Lord says that "This, My form, is not understood by common men."
Prabhupada: But actually, brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate [SB 1.2.11]. So gradual process, go to the Absolute TruthBrahman, Paramatma, and last is Bhagavan. The Bhagavan realization is the real realization, not Brahman, not... This is partial. (looking at something on beach) It is already dead.
Dr. Patel: No, it may be even living.
Prabhupada: Why even it is dead while it is ferocious?
Prabhupada: No, no. There are certain things which are simply by form is dangerous. (greets some other men:) Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Here is another.
Prabhupada: This is water snake? They have no poison.
Prabhupada: Mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. This is the stress. Mayy asakta. "Here I am present. Why you should contemplate on imperson?" But the foolish people will not understand this. Mudha. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante [Bg. 7.15]. He is canvassing, "Here I am," but they will not surrender. They are searching out God somewhere else. "Here I am." "No, no, no. You are not." Mudhas.
Mr. Sar: Mudhas, yes.
Dr. Patel: Ye tu aksaram anirdesyam...
Mr. Sar: ...avyaktam paryupasate. (laughing)
Prabhupada: Then that is another thing. That is another thing. But one who is "family hite ratah," "country hite ratah," "community hite ratah," how he can do?
Prabhupada: But sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Now, these people, they are hite ratah of limited circle, that's all.
Mr. Sar: Ohh. That is why their... This path is not good for mankind.
Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore, according to Vedic civilization, one must accept sannyasa at a certain stage.
Mr. Sar:
Prabhupada: Sarva-bhuta-hite ratah, that, it is very difficult. Because even Mahatma Gandhi, such a great person, he said, "Englishman, you go away." Just see. Who can be better than Mahatma Gandhi?
Dr. Patel: And he must have life like Bharata.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Prabhupada: Is there possibility? He was so sacrificeful, but still, he was not sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Whole struggle was: "Englishman, you get out."
Prabhupada: No, no. Sarva-bhuta-hite ratah means who is devotee of Krsna. He is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah.
Dr. Patel: Because Krsna's representative.
Prabhupada: He is the root. Aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2]. Aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8]. The root, if you water the root, then sarva-bhuta hite ratah, the water will go to the branches, to the twigs, to the leaves, to the flowers. He is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. They do not know the way how to become sarva-bhuta-hite. And because... Just see the example. I am not becoming proud, but because I have got little taste for it, therefore I am preaching all over the world. I don't say I am perfect. I have got little taste of krsna-bhakti. So I have no distinction that "This is Indian. This is American. This is African." Everyone, I am giving this hari-nama. This is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah, no distinction. We are trying to give protection the the cows, to animals, to the trees. This is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Unless one is... Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad... If one is not devoted to Krsna, he cannot become sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Kleso 'dhikataras tesam [Bg. 12.5]. Simply they will suffer, that's all.
Prabhupada: Avyakta. This avyakta... They do not find where is the point where sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Just like one who knows the electric button, he push. He does not know that. Mudha.
Dr. Patel: You have to work the main switch.
Dr. Patel and Mr. Sar:
[break]
Prabhupada: ...early in the morning have mangala-aratrika, then prasada. Now, walk, also talking. We are not wasting time. We are not wasting time. Even if you say, "Why you are walking?" We are not walking for nothing. We are talking. Satatam kirtayanto mam yatantas ca drdha-vratah [Bg. 9.14]. Satatam kirtayantah. So walking, talking.
Prabhupada: Sarva-karma-tyaga. Where is Giriraja? These boys collecting not less than thirty thousand per month, but not a single farthing for him. This is sarva-karma-phala. Is there any man, businessman?
Mr. Sar: Yes, yes. He stays in utter poverty.
Prabhupada: He does not care for his body even.
Mr. Sar: Yes, he does not care.
Prabhupada: I forced him to go to U.S.A. and get...
Dr. Patel: I invited him to stay in my house, but he said that he won't come.
Prabhupada: No, no, he is not interested for his person.
Prabhupada: Ah, advesta. It is not, "I am Hindu. Why shall I preach amongst the Christian?" The dvesta.
Prabhupada: Now, some of these Mayavadi sannyasis accuse me that "Bhaktivedanta Swami is spoiling our Hindu religion." Means dvesta. They do not like Christians. They do not like Mohammedans. But I am accepting Mohammedans, Christian, any damn rascal: "Come on. Chant Hare Krsna."
Mr. Sar: And be a brahmana.
Prabhupada: This is advesta. [break] ...envious of Christian.
Dr. Patel: Nirmamo nirahankarah sama-duhkha-sukhah...
Prabhupada: Why you should be?
Prabhupada: Yes. (laughs)
Mr. Sar: Ye... (Hindi)
Prabhupada: We cannot change. Therefore yesterday I said, "Why shall I go to...?"
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: You are firing us. (laughs)
Prabhupada: For your good. For your good. Even if I fire you, for your good.
Dr. Patel: (laughing) I was able to come to this point. That is why I asked them to arrange for this meeting. [break]
Prabhupada: Anapeksah, just see. When I went to Europe, America, I went with forty rupees. The Sumati Morarji gave me a ticket, and I had only forty rupees. That forty rupees could not be spent there. Then, when I was getting down, I asked the captain, "Captain Pandia," that "I have not a single dollar with me. So you purchase one set of my books." "So what is... Swami, what is your price?" "Sixteen dollar." He paid me twenty dollars. With that twenty dollars, I dropped.
Mr. Sar: This is anapeksah.
Prabhupada: Now I think we have got money.
Dr. Patel: Two million dollars.
Prabhupada: (laughs) So that is not a problem. That is not a problem because I knew that Krsna is there.
Dr. Patel:
Yo na... [break] ...na kanksati na... na kanksati na socati, subhasubha-parityagi yo mad-bhaktah sa me priyah.
Prabhupada: Yes, subhasubha. When I was in Boston, I was thinking that "I have come here. How they will receive me? As soon as I'll say that 'No meat-eating, no illicit sex, and no gambling, and no intoxication,' immediately they will say, 'Please go home, don't preach here.' All right." So for one year there was no success, you see? And I was going to the shipping company: "When your next ship is coming to return back?" So the manager was telling, "Swamiji, you are always inquiring, but you never go." (all laugh) I said, "Yes, when I am too much frustrated, I come to here to ask you. Then again I go back: 'Let me see two months more.' " It was going like that. Nobody was there with me.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: (laughing) Aniketah, automatically aniketah. There was no place, no place to live. No money.
Dr. Patel: This is the culmination of a sannyasi.
Mr. Sar: One who has no place, he lives everywhere.
Prabhupada: Sannyasa means aniketah. Now we have got hundred temples. We have got hundred temples. But Krsna does not allow me to stay eight days, more than.
Dr. Patel: But how long you going to stay here? You have promised me to stay long, eh?
Prabhupada: But if Krsna allows...
Mr. Sar: I will always pray to Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Because we can't come to America to keep your company.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. Here is a Pacific Ocean. [break] Sometimes I think "When I was simply depending on Krsna, those days... Now I have to depend on so many disciples." (laughter)
Prabhupada: (laughing) They are good disciples. They are bringing everything. I am simply ordering. Still, I think, "That was better, to depend on..."
Dr. Patel: What is Mayavada, Mayavada? This, we do not understand anything. maya is a fact because it is the power of God, and you have got to work with it. So we are all of us are vadis. Don't talk all these thing now Swamiji, I am going to fire him.
Prabhupada: No, why you have become angry?
Dr. Patel: No, I don't become angry, I become violent, not angry.
Mr. Sar: Mayavadi's name is speaker.
Prabhupada: That means he is Mayavadi.
Dr. Patel: Maya is a fact of life.
Prabhupada: He is becoming angry; that means he is Mayavada.
Dr. Patel: Maya is a fact of life... (end)
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1974/feb/morning_walk/bombay/february/19/1974 
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