In the Srimad-Bhagavatam or in the Vedic literature it is said that the material energy came out of the breathing of the Supreme Lord, Maha-Visnu.

So from the Supreme Soul all these material elements have come. Just like your body. Wherefrom it has come? It has come from the soul. In the sastra it is said, karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapatti [SB 3.31.1]. Jantu. Jantu means living entity, jan word(?), jantu. So jantur deha-upapatti. There... The atheist theory that combination of matter makes a situation when living symptoms come out, combination of matter, that is the present chemical theory, chemical evolution. There are so many theories based on Darwin's theory, chemical evolution. Recently, when I was in Los Angeles, one German scientist came there. He has written one book, Chemical Evolution, and he has got Nobel Prize. Now he's touring for lecturing on his theory. So in the California university there is our student, Dr. Svarupa Damodara. He's my disciple. He's doctor in chemistry. So, when this German chemist was lecturing, theorizing that life has come from chemicals, so he put the question that "Suppose if I give you these chemicals, whether you can prepare a life?" He answered in the meeting, "That I cannot say." That means he's not certain; still, he's theorizing, that from chemical, life has come. No, from chemical, life has not come; from life, chemical has come. This is real theory.

So these things are discussed very broadly in our American centers, so we stick to the point that life does not come from chemical, but chemical comes from life. So I gave one crude example. Just like a tree. It is also life, because there are different forms of life, 8,400,000 forms of life. So a tree also, another form of life. One who knows what is the condition of life, pandita, learned, sama-darsinah.

Now, we understand from sastra that after sex between man and woman, the matter is emulsified and creates a situation wherein the living entity takes shelter. Karmana daiva-netrena [SB 3.31.1]. So, living entity, every one of us, dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13], we shall get another body. So what kind of body we shall get? That is karmana daiva-netrena. That will be judged by higher authorities according to our karma. If we have done work like human being, then further promotion will be given.

In the Bhagavad-gita, in another place, it is said that upadrasta anumanta. The Supersoul, soul and Supersoul... There are two souls: the supreme soul and the subordinate soul within the body. So what we are doing, subordinate soul... The supreme soul or the Supersoul, who is also sitting with me within the heart, He is upadrasta anumanta. He's simply seeing. And anumanta means without His sanction we cannot do anything. Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah [Bg. 15.15]. Everyone has got experience. When we want to do something wrong, there is conscience: "Don't do it." "No, no, let me do." There is struggle. So this is the struggle between the soul and the Supersoul. But when you're persistent, that "I must do it," then the Supersoul orders, "All right, you can do at your own risk." That is called karma-phala. We have become subjected to the resultant action of our karma. That is called karmana. By the activities, daiva-netrena, by the superior authorities' superintendence, daiva-netrena, jantur deha-upapatti, the living entity gets a type of body. What is this body? The five elements, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca. Eight elements. Earth, water, fire, air, and sky, the mind, intelligence and ego. Ego, false ego. The false ego is that "I am this body." Ahankara. Ahankara: "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim." These are all false ahankara. Neither I am Hindu nor Muslim nor Christian nor American nor Indian. I am living entity.

So there is soul and there is the gross material body and there is the subtle material body. The soul is the basic principle, but to get a body, as I have already explained, the secretion discharged by the father and the mother, they mix up, they are emulsified and forms in the body of a pea. And the soul comes through the semina of the father and he's situated there. Then the body develops. Now, just try to understand. Because the spirit soul is there, therefore matter is developing. If the soul is not there, if the child is dead, no more development. No more development. No dead child develops a body. Everyone knows. Therefore these material elements come from the spirit soul, not that spirit soul comes from the material elements. This is not. This is wrong theory. If it comes from the material combination, then why you cannot produce a living entity in the laboratory? In the laboratory, no, that is not... A material... Because... Material creation is there because I wanted a, such a circumstances, atmosphere, and anumanta, the Supreme Lord, He's the supreme sanction giverHe gives me opportunity to enter into a certain type of mother's body, and the material grows.

So the actual fact is from spirit soul, the energy, material energy comes out. Take for example... That I was giving, that chemicals. Now, take one lemon tree. It is a living entity, and it is producing at least hundreds of pounds of citric acid, lemons. Everyone knows. You take fifty lemons today, again take fifty lemons, and if you extract the lemons, you'll find extensive quantity of citric acid. So wherefrom the citric acid chemical comes? Because the living entity's there in the tree. Therefore the conclusion should be the chemicals come from life; life does not come from chemical. If life comes from chemical, then you produce. I give you the chemical, whatever chemicals you want. So chemical is produced. Just like you have got experience when there is perspiration. You taste the perspiration; there is salt. Wherefrom the salt comes? Salt is... what is the chemical name? Sodium carbonate, no?

We have got four deficiencies. We commit mistakes, we become illusioned... We commit mistake, everyone knows. I have several times talked that even a personality like Gandhi, he committed so many mistakes. So, so long you are conditioned by the material nature, you must commit mistake. There is no escape. Similarly, we are illusioned. Illusioned means we accept something for something. Just like you are accepting this body"I am American," "I am Indian"but I am neither American nor Indian; I am spirit soul. This is called illusion. Bhrama, pramada, and vipralambha. Vipralambha means the propensity for cheating others. I do not know exactly what is the cause of life; still, I am theorizing in so many ways. And when I am challenged by other person that "Can you produce, with chemical, life?" "That I cannot say." Then why you are talking nonsense? This is cheating. If you are actually in knowledge that from chemical, life can be produced, then you produce it. I give you chemicals. But when you cannot do, why you are cheating people? But this cheating propensity is there. One is a nonsense number one, but he speaks. "Devils cite scripture." That we do not accept. Our Krsna consciousness movement does not accept the scripture cited by the Devil. Therefore we have accepted Krsna, sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1]. Whatever He says, we accept. We are not perfect, our senses are not perfect, we are fool number one, but the knowledge which we accept, that is perfect. That is Krsna consciousness.

Therefore, whatever we speak, we do not speak anything which Krsna does not speak. That is our quality. I have several times, I was eulogized by many persons, "Swamiji, you have done wonderful." So I say that I am not a wonderful man. I simply follow Krsna. What Krsna says, I repeat, like parrot. That's all. I have no knowledge. But Krsna says that "This is this." I accept it. And then that will be... That we shall be benefited. Just like a child. If he accepts the instruction of the parents, he gets knowledge. Parent will not cheat. If a child does not know a small watch, he asks, "Father, what is this?" Father can explain, "My dear child, this is called watch. You can see time, what is the time now." That is perfect knowledge. So that knowledge is perfect. Therefore in the beginning of this chapter and in the Fourth Chapter we said, evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. If we get knowledge by the pure parampara system, pure disciplic succession, that knowledge is perfect. Then our life is perfect. And if we want to try to expound knowledge by our limited power, that is imperfect knowledge. That knowledge is not perfect. That is concoction. If you want to take perfect knowledge, then you must get from the authorities. Evam parampara. That is Vedic knowledge.

So, so this is the process. This bhumir apah, this material, it is not a fact. People are so much attached to this material world. That is called ignorance. Mudha. They are called mudha. Mayayapahrta-jnanah [Bg. 7.15]. Their knowledge has been taken away. These things will be explained in the later verses, that do not try to take knowledge from imperfect person; take knowledge from the perfect person, perfect Supreme Personality. Who is perfect? God is perfect. And who carries the word of God, he is perfect. This is the definition of perfection. So Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh [Bg. 7.4]. Matter is produced by Krsna's energy. It is not automatically produced. Just like I have given the example that this body, this material gross body, is produced out of the soul which is put into the womb of the mother by the semina of the father. These are... These descriptions are there in the Third Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, very nicely, you consult.

So that knowledge is perfect because experimentally... Science means observation and experiment. If you are observing something, then you must experiment. Jnanam vijnanam. In the previous verses we have already studied that jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam [Bg. 7.2]. Jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam. Theoretical knowledge, that is observation. And sa-vijnanam means experiment. If you say, if you have observed that life is produced of chemical, then make experiment. Then it is science; otherwise it is hodge-podge. It has no meaning. Life is never produced of matter; matter is produced out of life. This is the... Therefore we are fragmental matter, life. We living entities, small portion, very small portion. That is also given in the sastras: kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc. Madhya 19.140]. One ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair, that is the magnitude of soul.

What is the distinction between dead man and living man? That you have to understand. You cannot make experiment why the body is dead. But you can understand when you touch Bhagavad-gita. Bhagavad-gita says,

So this knowledge... So people are simply mad after this material enjoyment. He does not know that this material body is temporary. It is for a certain years only. But you are eternal. Just try to understand what is your eternal business. Why you are so much mad after this temporary business? That is stated in the Srimad-B...

So you cannot get out of it so long you do not stop acceptance of another material body. That is called real liberation, no more accepting material body. Therefore Bhagavata says that "These madmen..." Nunam pramattah. Pramattah. Mattah means mad, and pra means prakrsta-rupena, sufficiently mad. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4]. There are karma, vikarma and akarma. So one should know. Vikarma means criminal activities. Just like so many people are acting criminally simply to get money, as if money will save him. If he acts criminally, simply sinful activities, and by such, he is punished to get another body which is sinful, papa-yoni, then what is, how his money will save him? No, that cannot save. Just like if you have become criminal and you are arrested by the state. Suppose you are millionaires. Your money will save you? No. That will not save. But they... For money they are doing all sorts of sinful activities. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad... [SB 5.5.4]. Why they are doing? Yad indriya-prita... Simply for sense gratification, that's all. Only benefit is sense gratification. Yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti.

Therefore Rsabhadeva, na sadhu manye: "Don't do this. Oh, it is not good." Why not good? Na sadhu manye yato atmano 'yam asann api. You have got this material body, suffering, although it is temporary, but you have got this. So don't do this. Don't do anything that you get another material body. That is perfection of life. That is Krsna consciousness.

Thank you very much. (end)