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Prabhupada: Read. Those who have books, open. Where is your son?
Young woman: Sleeping.
Prabhupada: That's all right. You can come forward, that girl. Come on. Come forward, yes. Sit down. Hare Krsna. Read.
Tamala Krsna: "All purposes that are served by the small pond can at once be served by the great reservoirs of water. Similarly, all the purposes of the Vedas can be served to one who knows the purpose behind them." [Bg. 2.46]
Prabhupada: Now try to understand this. The long-standing system in India in the villages... India is originally village life. City life very few. Perhaps there was only big city, New Delhi now. In those days Hastinapura, and next to that was Dvaraka. So very big city, they were only two or three. Mostly people used to live in villages. Still ninety percent population of India is in the village. So in the village, the system is they have different kinds of wells. One well is meant for taking bath, one well is meant for washing clothes, one well is meant for taking drinking water, one well is meant for washing dishes. So in this way, in the villages there shall be half a dozen wells. So here the example is given, just like one can take service from a particular type of well for a particular purpose, but if he goes to the river, ever-flowing river, then he can take his bath there, he can wash clothes, he can wash dishes, he can everything. All water purposes will be served in one river. Because the water is flowing there. There is no contamination. Any water which is always flowing, there cannot be any contamination. A stagnant water which is not flowing, there may be contamination. Therefore the restriction is that you should take bath in this well, you wash your clothings in this well. So small wells, they are restricted for a certain purpose, but in the river, there is no restriction. Everything can be done there.
So Bhagavad-gita... You'll find in the Fifteenth Chapter. The Lord says, vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah [Bg. 15.15]. The purpose of all scriptures and Vedas is to know Krsna or God. And the Upanisad says, kasmin tu bhagavo vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam bhavati. If you simply understand the Supreme Absolute, then you understand everything. So this Krsna consciousness means it includes everything. The karmis' activities, fruitive actions, the jnanis', philosophers' speculation, the yogis' mystic power, and bhaktas', devotees' worship of the Lord—everything is included. Just like if you have got a millions of dollar, then ten dollar is there, five dollar is there, twenty dollar is there, everything is there. So if you take to Krsna consciousness, then you take all kinds of... All the well, all the purpose of different type of well is served in the river of Krsna consciousness. That example is said. It includes everything. Just like Krsna consciousness, we are... Take practical example. We are Krsna conscious. Now take any religion and take their highest conclusion—it is there in Krsna consciousness. Take for example Buddhism. They say nonviolence. Oh, we are nonviolent. Christianism, love of God. Oh, we are simply meant for loving God. Mohammedan, servant of God, to render service to the Lord. Oh, we are twenty-four hours engaged in the service of the Lord. Yogis—samadhi, always in samadhi, absorbed in the thought of the Supreme. We are always absorbed in the thought of Krsna. So take any religion, any process, any well. This river, Krsna consciousness, will overflood everyone. There cannot be any comparison. What is there? How much water is there in the well? In the river, unlimited. Thousands of wells can be merged into the river. This example is given. Kasmin tu bhagavo vijnate sarvam idam vijnatam bhavati. If you know Krsna, you know everything. You know science, you know mathematics, you know philosophy, you know geography, everything. There is no dirth of knowledge. Don't think that a Krsna conscious person actually, he can be a foolish man. No. That is given guarantee in the Bhagavad-gita,
A devotee who is always in Krsna consciousness, for him there is nothing unknown. He knows everything. Just like we can give information of the whole creation. Not only of this material world, of the spiritual world. Clear conception. Where is where, what is what, everything. That is Krsna consciousness. The more you make progress, then you fully, I mean to say, conversant with all departmental knowledge. Everything is completed.
Tamala Krsna: 47: "You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Neither consider yourself the cause of action, nor should you be attached to inaction [Bg. 2.47]." Purport: "There are three considerations here: prescribed duties, capricious work, and inaction. Prescribed duties means activities in terms of one's position in the modes of material nature. Capricious work means actions without the sanction of authority; and inaction means not performing one's prescribed duty. The Lord advised that Arjuna not be inactive, but that he be active in his duty without being attached to the result. One who is attached to the result of his work is also the cause of the action. Thus he is the enjoyer or sufferer of the result of such action. As far as prescribed duties are concerned, they can be fitted into three subdivisions: routine work, emergency work, and desired activities. Routine work in terms of the scriptural injunctions is done without desire for results. As one has to do it, obligatory work is action in the modes of goodness. Work with results becomes the cause of bondage, and so such work is not auspicious. Everyone has his proprietary right in regard to his duties, but should act without attachment to the result. Thus such disinterested obligatory duties helps to lead one to the path of liberation. Arjuna was advised by the Lord to fight as a matter of duty without attachment to the result. His nonparticipation in the battle is another side of attachment. Such attachment never leads one to the path of salvation. Any attachment, positive or negative, is cause for bondage. Inaction is sinful. Therefore fighting as a matter of duty was the only auspicious path to salvation for Arjuna." 48: "Be steadfast in your duty, O Arjuna, and abandon all attachment to success or failure. Such evenness of mind is called yoga [Bg. 2.48]."
Prabhupada: This is the explanation of yoga, evenness of mind. Yoga-samatvam ucyate. If you work for Krsna, then there is no cause of lamentation or jubilation. Jubilation is there because you are working for Krsna, but there is no cause of lamentation. Yoga-sthah kuru karmani, yogah karmasu kausalam [Bg. 2.50]. That is the secret of activities, how you can very diligently work at the same time you are not entangled with the actions. That is the secret. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: 49: "O Dhananjaya, rid yourself of all fruitive activities by devotional service and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers [Bg. 2.49]." 50: "A man engaged in devotional service rids himself of both good and bad actions [Bg. 2.50]."
Prabhupada: Now here it is... One significant word is there. One who wants to enjoy the result of his work, he is miser. He is miser. What is the opposite word of miser? Huh? What is the opposite word?
Prabhupada: Liberal, is it not? So those who are in Krsna consciousness, they are liberal. And those who are acting for his own benefit, they are miser. They are mahatmas who are working for Krsna. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita, mahatma. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah [Bg. 9.13]. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah.
After many, many births when a person is actually wise, jnanavan, perfectly in knowledge... What is that symptom of perfect knowledge? Vasudevah sarvam iti. Krsna is everything. That is perfection of knowledge. Vasudevah sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19], prapadyate mam. If I find out somebody supreme, then it is my duty to surrender unto him. Yes. But as soon as I surrender, I become mahatma, liberal, not miser. Miser is thinking on his own account, "How much I'll get? How much in my share?" And liberal means he has no more share, everything Krsna's. This is Krsna consciousness. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. That sort of mahatma, liberal person, is very rare. So Krsna consciousness, a person in Krsna consciousness, you cannot find many, it is not possible. Everyone is miser. He's always thinking, "How much share is mine? How much I can collect for my personal?" And Krsna conscious person is simply trying: how much he is giving to Krsna. This way. One this way, and one this way. This is miser and liberal.
Everyone, in all principle, they go to God for asking something. That is also described in the Bhagavad-gita, artah artharthi jnani jijnasu. Four kinds of people go to God: those who are distressed... Of course, they are pious. Anyone who goes to God, never mind even for asking daily bread, they are pious. But those who are not going to God, they are impious, miscreant. One who is thinking, "Oh, why shall I go to God for asking bread? I can produce my bread." So that man who is very proud of producing his bread is a nonsense miscreant. And a man who is going to the church, praying, "God give my daily bread," he is pious, but he's not a pure devotee. But there is chance of his becoming pure devotee in future. So artah artharthi jijnasu. So the Krsna consciousness is nothing to ask from Krsna. "Oh, Krsna, give us our daily bread." No. It is far, far higher. Because he knows that "Krsna, I ask or I do not ask, Krsna is supplying me bread. He's supplying bread to the beast, birds and animals, insects, and I have sacrificed my life for Krsna, and He'll not supply me bread?" Is it very intelligent? No. He knows perfectly well that "Krsna is taking care of me. Now it is my duty how much service I can render to Krsna. That is my business." That is Krsna consciousness. Krsna is not miser. He is supplying millions and millions of living entities bread. So what is the use of asking Him? Without asking Him... The birds, the beasts, they have no church and pray to God, "Oh, give us our daily bread," but nobody is starving. Nobody is starving. Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. That one Supreme is supplying everyone's necessities. Either you go to church or don't go to church, Krsna is so kind. He's supplying food everyone. Therefore one who is in the highest standard of consciousness, he will think only that "Krsna is supplying so much for us; what I am doing for Krsna?" That is Krsna consciousness. That is Krsna... That is intelligence. That is mahatma. That is liberal. He begins to become a liberal. So long one is not in Krsna consciousness, he's miser, simply thinking, "How much bread I have got? How much...?"
Miser means, another sense of miser is one who cannot utilize money properly. Suppose one has got one million dollars from his father, but he is simply thinking that "I shall see the money and I shall not utilize it. If I go to utilize, I may lose it. Better I will see every day in my treasury box." He's also miser. Similarly, this human form of life, simply used for the sense gratification, is miser. He cannot utilize this form of body for increasing the asset of Krsna consciousness. Therefore he is miser. And one who is properly utilizing this valuable life for understanding Krsna, he is brahmana. Brahma janati iti brahmana. Brahmana means one who knows the Supreme Absolute Truth. He is called brahmana. The sacred thread is offered to a person who knows Krsna. Otherwise it is not awarded. This is a symbolic representation. This man has got sacred thread, that means he knows Krsna, Brahman, Supreme Brahman. Just like Arjuna, param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan [Bg. 10.12]. In the Tenth Chapter you'll find. Arjuna says that "You are param brahma. Krsna, You are param brahma." Similarly, if anyone knows Brahman, Parabrahman, Krsna, he is brahmana. Brahma janati iti brahmana. One who knows the Supreme Brahman, Krsna, he is brahmana. Not a person who is born in the family of a brahmana. He may be a candala by his mentality.
So Bhagavata says, yasya yal laksanam proktam pumso varnabhivyanjakam. There are symptoms. You'll find all these in Bhagavad-gita, who is brahmana, who is ksatriya, who is vaisya, who is sudra. By symptoms, by characteristics, you'll know. Similarly, if you find a man knows Krsna, you must accept him: "He is a brahmana." He's a brahmana. Brahma janati iti brahmana. So the miser, the opposite word is liberal or brahmana. Miser knows his self-interest, "How much nice foodstuff I have got to eat daily." That's all. And liberal, "How much Krsna prasada I am distributing to the world." Liberal. A miser is thinking, "How much nice dishes I have eaten today. How much I have satisfied my tongue. Never mind I go to hell. Let me eat this, that, so many nice things. Let me satisfy my tongue." "Oh, for your tongue so many animals are being sacrificed, killed?" "Never mind. I want to satisfy my tongue." Miser. But Krsna conscious person, he does not satisfy tongue. He wants to satisfy Krsna, and whatever remnants, foodstuff, is there, he eats. That's all. He's liberal. These are the distinction between miser and liberal. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: 50: "A man engaged in devotional service rids himself of both good and bad actions even in this life. Therefore strive for this yoga, O Arjuna, which is the art of all work [Bg. 2.50]." 51: "The wise, engaged in devotional service, take refuge in the Lord and free themselves from the cycle of birth and death by renouncing the fruits of action in the material world [Bg. 2.51]."
Prabhupada: Yes. There is purport?
Prabhupada: All right. Finish.
Prabhupada: Read it again.
Tamala Krsna: "The wise, engaged in devotional service, take refuge in the Lord and free themselves from the cycle of birth and death by renouncing the fruits of action in the material world. In this way they can attain that state beyond all miseries."
Prabhupada: How easy it is. You take to Krsna consciousness, you act in Krsna consciousness, you overcome the cycle of birth and death. And as soon as you overcome the cycle of birth and death, you overcome all miseries. Because birth and death means this material body. The living entity, spirit soul, has no birth and death. And anyone who possesses this material body has to undergo the threefold miseries of the material world. A similar passage is there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The other day, as I was speaking to you, nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4]. All these people, they are acting in a way which they ought not to have done. Nunam pramattah. But they are acting as madmen. Why? Yad indriya-pritaya, for satisfaction of the senses. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti na sadhu manye [SB 5.5.4]. This is not good. Because he does not know that he has achieved this material body by working in that way in his previous life. Again he is working in that way. So he'll have to accept again this material body, therefore he's miser. He's not properly utilizing. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: 52: "When your intelligence has passed out of the dense forest of delusion, you will become indifferent to all that has been heard and all that is to be heard [Bg. 2.52]." Purport: "There are many good examples in the lives of the great devotees of the Lord, of those who became indifferent to the rituals of the Vedas simply by devotional service to the Lord. When a person factually understands Krsna and one's relationship with Krsna, one naturally becomes completely indifferent to the rituals of fruitive activities even though he may be an experienced brahmana. Sri Madhavendra Puri, a great devotee and acarya in the line of devotees, says, 'O Lord, in my prayers three times a day, all glories to You. Bathing, I offer my obeisances unto You. O demigods, O forefathers, please excuse me for my inability to offer you my respects. Now wherever I sit I am able to remember the great descendant of the Yadu dynasty, Krsna, the enemy of Kamsa, and therefore I can get myself free from all sinful bondage. I think this is sufficient for me.' "
Prabhupada: This is a prayer by Madhavendra Puri. (chuckling) He says that "I am not going to do anything except serving Krsna." This Madhavendra Puri was the grand-spiritual master of Lord Caitanya. Madhavendra Puri's disciple Isvara Puri, and Isvara Puri was accepted as spiritual master of Lord Caitanya. Nobody can become a spiritual master of the Supreme Lord, but in order to teach us that even the Lord, He also accepted a spiritual master. That is the system. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Unless He shows us the way, people will say, "Oh, Lord Caitanya did not accept any spiritual master." They can give example. But therefore Krsna also accepted spiritual master. This is the system. One has to. Tad vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. One must accept a spiritual master if he at all wants to know the spiritual science. Without that, it is not possible. Krsna science, Krsna consciousness, cannot be developed without the assistance of a bona fide representative of Krsna. Naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim [SB 7.5.32]. There are very, very, many, many instances. What is that? Go on.
Prabhupada: Yes. Dharmena hina pasubhih samana. Vedic rituals, every human society has got some scriptures and some ritualistic activities. Never mind whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jews, they have. That is the symptom of human civilization. If you have no religion, if you have no standing, then you are animal. Never mind you accept this religion or that religion, it doesn't matter. But you must have a religion. Otherwise a man is animal. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: "Comprehending all kinds of prayer three times a day, taking a bath early in the morning, offering respects to the forefathers, etc. But when one is fully in Krsna consciousness and is engaged in His transcendental loving service, one becomes indifferent to all these regulative principles because he has already attained perfection of life. If one can reach the platform of understanding by service to the Supreme Lord Krsna, he has no longer the duty to execute the different types of penances and sacrifices recommended in the revealed scriptures."
Prabhupada: Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He started this movement, He preached that simply by chanting you'll get all perfection, and the brahmanas of Navadvipa, they rebelled against Him, that "This boy..." He was boy of twenty years or less than that. This boy is preaching something against the Vedic religious system. So in other words, they were afraid of their priestly profession. Because if everyone takes to simply chanting Hare Krsna and forgets all ritualistic activities, then how they will live? They were priestly class, they were getting some money by their followers. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu had no such desire. He simplified the whole thing. Harer nama eva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. Simply chant Hare Krsna and you become elevated to the highest platform. Actually it is so. You can see from the behavior of our students. They simply took this chanting, now see their behavior, see their character. It will automatically. That is the result. Iha haite sarva-siddhi haibe tomara. Lord Caitanya said, every kind of, all kinds of perfection will follow. Simply you begin chanting Hare Krsna sincerely. Yes. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: "And similarly, if one has not understood that the purpose of the Vedas is to reach Krsna and simply engages in the rituals, then he is uselessly wasting time in such engagements. Persons in Krsna consciousness transcend the limit of sabda-brahma."
Prabhupada: Sabda-brahma, sound vibration. Sound—brahma, Brahman in sound. Just like Brahman means all-pervading. All-pervading. So the sound is all-pervading. You'll find sound... Beginning from the sky to the earth, you'll find sound, all-pervading. In the sky, there is sound. You have got experience. In the fire there is sound, in the air there is sound, in the earth there is sound, every metal, wood. You take everything, there is sound. So Brahman means all-pervading. But this transcendental sound... Just like your radio message, television sound, they cannot go beyond this earthly planet, at most. But there is sound which can penetrate the whole universe and go to the spiritual world. Sound is all-pervading, that is a fact, scientific fact. If that sound is potent, then it can penetrate even this material sky and go to the spiritual sky and go to Krsna directly. That sound is Hare Krsna. Golokera prema-dhana, hari-nama-sankirtana, rati na janmilo kene taya. I've given that. He has translated very nice, Hayagriva. Golokera prema-dhana. This is descended from the spiritual platform, Goloka Vrndavana, hari-nama-sankirtana, this Hare Krsna. Rati na janmilo kene taya. "I have no attachment for these things." I have got attachment for radio sound, or television sound, so many sound, but I have no attachment for the supreme sound which is coming down from the Goloka Vrndavana. Golokera prema-dhana, hari-nama-sankirtana, rati na janmilo kene... samsara-bisanale, diba-nisi hiya jwale. "In this material world, I am, my heart is always burning on account of so many miseries." Juraite na koinu upaya. "But I could not find out the way how to get out of it. This sound vibration will get you out from the blazing fire of this material condition. This sound, harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. Chant always, everything will be perfectly done." Yes. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: 53. Oh, I'll finish this sentence. "Persons in Krsna consciousness transcend the limit of sabda-brahma or the range of the Vedas and Upanisads." 53: "When your mind is no longer disturbed by the flowery language of the Vedas and when it remains fixed in the trance of self-realization, then you will have attained the divine consciousness [Bg. 2.53]." 54: "Arjuna said, 'What are the symptoms of one whose consciousness is thus merged in transcendence? How does he speak and what is his language? How does he sit and how does he walk?' " [Bg. 2.54]
Prabhupada: This is very important thing. The symptoms, the characteristics, of Krsna conscious persons, they are described there, item by item.
Prabhupada: This is the result of talks between Arjuna and Krsna. Arjuna is putting in such a way, and Krsna is answering. That means it is meant for all conditioned souls. Unless Arjuna would have asked all these questions, how we could have received such transcendental message? Therefore it was necessary that Arjuna would play the part of an ordinary conditioned soul. Actually he was not. He's simply playing the part in order to eschew transcendental message. Because Krsna has spoken, everyone will take it as authorized. So Krsna is now speaking. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: "The Blessed Lord said, 'O Partha, when a man gives up all varieties of sense desire which arise of invention, and when his mind finds satisfaction in the self alone, then he is said to be in pure transcendental consciousness.' "
Prabhupada: Now if one comes to the understanding, enlightenment, this is the beginning of enlightenment—self-understanding, that "I am part and parcel of Krsna. I do not belong to this material world. I am not part and parcel of this country, this world, or this material atmosphere, but I am part and parcel of the Supreme." This is enlightenment. Read it again.
Tamala Krsna: "The Blessed Lord said, 'O Partha, when a man gives up all varieties of sense enjoyment...' " [Bg. 2.55]
Prabhupada: Now if you are interested with so many varieties, material varieties... Suppose I belong to this country, then I have got so much duty, so many duties. If I belong to this world, if I belong to the human society, if I belong to this and that. But if you simply belong to Krsna, that is enlightenment. Yes, go on.
Tamala Krsna: "...and when his mind finds satisfaction in the self alone, then he is said to be in pure transcendental consciousness." 56: "One who is not disturbed in spite of the threefold miseries, who is not elated when there is happiness and who is free from attachment, fear and anger, is called a sage of steady mind [Bg. 2.56]."
Prabhupada: Now, if I do not identify myself with this body, if this knowledge is fixed up, then... The miserable condition of this material world is due to this body, but if I don't identify with this body, then what relationship I have got with all this miseries? This is theoretical knowledge, of course, but one has to practice. But this is a fact. Just like for the time being, if there is any pain in the body... I feel pain because I am absorbed in this bodily concept of life, but actually, I am not this body. That is a fact. It is due to my absorption of bodily concept of life; therefore I feel. The more I become enlightened, the more I shall not be affected by all these miseries. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: Purport: "The word muni means one who can agitate his mind in various ways for mental speculation without coming to a factual conclusion."
Prabhupada: Mental speculators are called muni. There are so many munis. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: "It is said that every muni has a different angle of vision, and unless one muni is different in view from another, he cannot be called a muni in the strict sense of the term. But a sthita-dhir muni, the kind mentioned herein by the Lord is different from an ordinary muni. The sthita-dhir muni is always in Krsna consciousness for he has finished all his business with creative speculation. He is called prasanta-nihsesa-mano-rathantara, or one who has surpassed the stage of mental speculation and has come to the conclusion that Lord Sir Krsna, Vasudeva, is everything. He is called a muni fixed in mind. Such a fully Krsna conscious person is not at all disturbed by the onslaughts of the threefold miseries, those due to nature, to other beings, and to the frailties of one's own body. Such a muni accepts all misery as the mercy of the Lord, thinking himself only worthy of more trouble due to his past misdeeds, and sees that his miseries, by the grace of the Lord, are minimized to the lowest. Similarly, when he is happy, he gives credit to the Lord, thinking himself unworthy of that happiness. He realizes that it is due only to the Lord's grace that he is in such a comfortable condition and thus able to render better service to the Lord. And for the service of the Lord..."
Prabhupada: You mark this. When there is miseries, a Krsna conscious person takes the responsibility himself, and when there is happiness, it is due to Krsna. But the materialistic person is just the opposite. When he is in miseries, he'll say, "Oh, God has put me into such miseries." And when he's happiness, his friend says, "Oh, you are now well-to-do." "Yes, you do not know how much I have worked hard." When he's happiness, he takes the credit for himself, and when he's in distress, he gives the discredit to Krsna. "Oh, Krsna has put me into such miserable..." But a Krsna conscious person, when he's in distress, he'll say, "Yes, due to my misdeeds I should have suffered a hundred times more than this distress, but Krsna is so kind, He has given me little. That's all." And when he's happiness, "Oh, it is all given by Krsna. Therefore all the opulence should be utilized for Krsna's service." This is the difference. He's asking, Arjuna is asking, what are the symptoms of Krsna conscious person. Sthita-prajna. Sthita-prajna means steadfast in intelligence. So these are the difference. I have read one speech, Chicago speech by late Vivekananda Swami. He's talking to the audience that "You work so hard, why you give credit to God?" You see? If you find his Chicago speech, you'll see. Go on.
Tamala Krsna: "And for the service of the Lord he is always daring and active and is not influenced by attachment or detachment. Attachment means accepting things for one's own sense gratification, and detachment is the absence of such sensual attachment. But one fixed in Krsna consciousness has neither attachment or detachment because his life is dedicated in the service of the Lord. Consequently he is not at all angry even when his attempts are unsuccessful. A Krsna conscious person is always steady in his determination." 57: "He who is without affection either for good or evil is firmly fixed in perfect knowledge [Bg. 2.57]." Purport: "There is always some upheaval in the material world which may be good or evil. One who is not agitated by such material upheavals, who is without affection for the good or evil, is to be understood as fixed in Krsna consciousness. As long as one is in the material world, there is always the possibility of good and evil because this world is full of duality. But one who is fixed in Krsna consciousness is not affected by good and evil because he is simply concerned with Krsna, who is all-good absolute. Such consciousness in Krsna situates one in the perfect transcendental position called, technically, samadhi." 58: "One who is able to withdraw his senses from sense objects as the tortoise draws his limbs within the shell is to be understood as truly situated in knowledge [Bg. 2.58]." 59: "The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment though the taste for sense objects remains, but ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness [Bg. 2.59]." 60: "The senses are so strong and impetuous, O Arjuna, that they forcibly carry away the mind even of the man of discrimination who is endeavoring to control them [Bg. 2.60]." 61: "One who restrains his senses and fixes his consciousness upon Me is known as a man of steady intelligence [Bg. 2.61]."
Prabhupada: This is the conclusion of all symptoms. There are others also?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Read it.
Tamala Krsna: 62: "While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises [Bg. 2.62]." Oh, a new (indistinct). There's a purport.
Prabhupada: Stop there. So if there is any question you can discuss.
Virabhadra: If some of these questions might be very stupid, and if any of them are, then just say they're stupid. Then I can ask Visnujana. The first one is, if you said, "Give me lots of money for Krsna," are you a miser? Is that a stupid question? Is that a stupid question?
Prabhupada: Yes. You first of all know who is miser and who is liberal. Do you know that?
Prabhupada: Yes. If you want money for Krsna then you are not miser. Just like you are working for this temple, and you ask Tamala Krsna, "Tamala Krsna Prabhu, please give me hundred dollars. I have to spend for this purpose." Is that bad? (laughter)
Virabhadra: He did?
Prabhupada: Yes. He not only took, accepted spiritual master, but He took all the risk to go into the jungle to bring wood for the spiritual master. Fuel wood. One day it so happened the whole day they were in the forest, and Sudama Vipra and He, they both of them were entrapped. There was heavy rain, they could not come out, and the whole night they remained within the forest. So not that because He was Krsna, He did not accept any spiritual master or work for him. He took so much risk. He went to the forest. Otherwise who will accept spiritual master if He does not show us the way? He comes to teach us. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati [Bg. 4.7]. "When there is discrepancies in the discharge of Vedic rules and, abhyutthanam adharmasya, and irreligious principles are too much rampant, then I appear." That is stated. So He teaches us how to acquire knowledge, how to behave. That is Krsna, the purpose of His mission. He does not act any way which will be followed by somebody and he'll go to hell. No.
Virabhadra: My third question is when you had that heart attack, did you feel the pain?
Virabhadra: You felt the pain?
Prabhupada: Yes. Why shall I not?
Virabhadra: Well, because you're a pure devotee. I mean you're pure, so you don't feel pain.
Virabhadra: I thought you said in Bhagavad-gita a pure devotee wouldn't feel pain because he's always chanting and Krsna will always protect him.
Prabhupada: Yes. Pain was there, but it was not too much. The boys, the disciples, were chanting and I was chanting, so there was not so much. It was not so much painful. That is already explained. When there is distress, the devotee takes it that "I am suffering for my past deeds, but I should have died at this moment, but Krsna is simply giving me a little pain, that's all." Actually, that was the thing. That day I should have... The heart attack was very severe. I should have died. Nobody survives such heart attack. But Krsna saved me. That's all.
Virabhadra: And my fourth and last question is, are you in this world?
Prabhupada: Hm? (laughter)
Virabhadra: Are you in this world?
Prabhupada: I am?
Virabhadra: Are you in this world? I mean you, are you...?
Prabhupada: I'm not in this world, yes.
Virabhadra: You're not in this world.
Jaya-gopala: I thought I heard it said that you are in this world without being a part of it. You are in the world without being a part of it, being a part of it, like the lotus flower which floats on the water.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is the way. That is the way of understanding. Just like I am in America. It is very easy to understand. I am not adopting any ways of life as the Americans do. So I am not in America. Not only myself, all my disciples who are following me, they are also not Americans. They're different from American behavior, American ways of life. In that sense I'm not in America. I am in Vrndavana because wherever I go in my apartment or in my temple I live with Krsna and Krsna consciousness. I don't accept any consciousness of America. And I teach my disciples also to take to that consciousness. So one who takes to that consciousness, he is also not in America, not in this world. It is... I have given this example many times. Just like a king and a bug is sitting on the same throne. The bug is biting and the king is ruling. It is not that because the bug is there on the throne, he is king, or the king is sitting with the bug, he is bug. Why this difference? Difference of consciousness. The king knows his duty. He is working in his duty; therefore he's king. And the bug knows his business, to bite; therefore he's bug. But sitting on the same place. But because due to different consciousness, one is bug, one is king. So if you take to Krsna consciousness and if you remain in Krsna consciousness, you don't belong to this world. You are no more bug, you are king. Change this consciousness. Even apparently you may seem to remain with the bug, you are no more bug. Is it clear?
Virabhadra: Yes. What's the difference? I've heard terms like incarnation, expansion, and plenary expansion, like Krsna incarnates Himself, expands Himself...
Prabhupada: Yes. Just as a person is in family, he is father, in office, he is boss, and in some other place, he's something else. But the same man. But because we are materially conditioned, when I am in the office, I'm not in my home. While I am acting as boss in my office, I cannot act as father with children at home. I am absent. This is due to my material condition. But Krsna, being full spiritual, He can remain in His abode, Goloka Vrndavana, at the same time, He can remain everywhere. That is expansion. Just like Krsna is living within your heart. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. The Supreme Lord is staying in everyone's heart. In the Brahma-samhita it is stated, goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhutah [Bs. 5.37]. This is spiritual position, that even though He is in His abode permanently, He can remain in everyone's heart, all over the creation. Not only in the heart, but within every atom also. This is His expansion, plenary expansion. He expands... We are also His expansion. We living entities, we are also His expansion. Nothing exists without being Krsna. That is explained in the Ninth Chapter. Maya tatam idam sarvam. "I have expanded in all different atmosphere." Sarvam. Mat-sthani sarva-bhutani [Bg. 9.4]. "Everything existing in Me." Naham tesu avasthitah. "But I am not there. I am not there." You are existing in Krsna, but unless you have Krsna consciousness, Krsna is not in you. But you are existing in Krsna. You cannot exist without Krsna. So therefore Krsna is everywhere, Krsna is in everything. We have to develop that consciousness. That will make me happy. Yes?
Jaya-gopala: I've often been told that when you become dvija then we would not incur any more karmic reactions by our actions, but also...
Prabhupada: When you become dvija, twice-born. Twice-born means you come to the point of understanding Krsna consciousness. When you take your birth from your parents, your consciousness is different. Just like the child. His consciousness is different, but when he's grown-up, if he takes to knowledge, if he tries to understand Krsna, his consciousness is different. So when one takes to Krsna consciousness, that is the beginning of his second birth, dvija.
Jaya-gopala: I've also been told that if we are serving someone, we can cause them to return to render us some service.
Prabhupada: Well, you must be in service somebody if it is in Krsna consciousness. You cannot create your service independently. Then your service has no reaction. Yajnarthat karmano 'nyatra loko 'yam karma-bandhanah [Bg. 3.9]. Krsna consciousness means you have no more any personal activity. Because your person is also related to Krsna. How you can act personally? You have to simply act in Krsna consciousness. That is dedication, that is surrender. But you can act individually because you are individual soul; you have got that independence. But that will not make him happy. If he acts individually then he will never be happy. But if you act Krsna consciously, then you will be happy. That is the whole instruction of Bhagavad-gita. And the last instruction, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam... [Bg. 18.66]. "You give up all other activities, as you have manufactured by different consciousness. Just surrender unto Me." Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami... "I shall give you protection from all sinful reaction." Yes?
Madhudvisa: Prabhupada, I have heard from different sources that there is a vibration that is going on in the universe at all times. When they refer to this vibration, are they referring to the om, the sacred om vibration?
Prabhupada: First of all, you should stop to receive any knowledge from any other source.
Madhudvisa: Well, I'm not taking it as knowledge, I'm just...
Prabhupada: No, you said that "I have heard from different sources."
Madhudvisa: From people on the street that I've talked to.
Prabhupada: Yes. So what is the question?
Madhudvisa: They talk about the vibration that's going on in the universe at, uh, at all times, and they talk about vibrating with this vibration, and uttering this vibration, and that this is what they're after.
Prabhupada: Yes, any vibration, there is sound. So there is... The sound is heard omkara. That is also accepted in the Bhagavad-gita. So there is no objection accepting this...
Madhudvisa: They talk about this as the ultimate stage of...
Prabhupada: Then you have to accept their statement, not the Bhagavad-gita. Therefore I say that you don't hear from all sources. Because they have said that that is the ultimate, would you accept that?
Madhudvisa: No, I don't accept. I just want to know if it is the om vibration that they're referring to.
Prabhupada: Om vibration is there. Om is also representation of Krsna. That is also accepted. But that is not ultimate. Ultimate is Krsna. Just like there is some vibration, some source. You go, go, proceed, wherefrom this vibration is coming? If you find whether here is a horn. From this..., or conchshell. Here is vibration. So that, unless you reach that point... That is the ultimate. Not that vibration. Suppose I am vibrating conchshell. There is a huge sound. But is that vibration ultimate? Or the conchshell wherefrom the vibration is emanating, the conchshell is ultimate. The conchshell sound is going beyond this temple. Does it mean that conchshell sound is bigger than the conchshell? The vibration of the conchshell, apparently it seems to be very great, but does it mean it is great? The great is the conchshell wherefrom the vibration is coming. That is the ultimate source. So omkara vibration is all over the universe, that's all right; but wherefrom it is coming? That you have to search out. When you search out you'll find Krsna. Therefore Krsna is the ultimate. Not the vibration. Is that clear? Yes. The same example. The sunshine, all over the universe it is spread. Does it make it is greater than the sun? The sun is the source of the sunshine. So similarly, brahmano hi pratisthaham, "I am the source of Brahman, the effulgence." That's a fact. Brahman is not greater than Krsna. Krsna is greater than Brahman. Mattah parataro nasti. You will find in the Bhagavad-gita, "There is no more greater truth than Me." These people, they cannot understand; less intelligent. The same example. Because they see that the sunshine is spreading all over the universe, therefore it is more important, greater than the sun planet. But actually it is not. The simple truth. And if you go into the sun planet you will find Vivasvan the sun-god is there. The sun planet is so dazzling due to his presence. Similarly, with all impersonal conception, when you reach Krsna, then you reach to the goal. There are so many crude examples. Just like your country. There are so many departmental government businesses going on. This department, that department, all over the country. The whole thing is concentrate in the President. How can I deny it? The everything is going on on the finger's end of the President. This is a crude example. Similarly, ultimately, unless there is the Supreme Person on the background... That, Hayagriva has brought one book, Evidence of God. So the many scientists they have written in that book, and they have agreed that if God is there, He must be person. He must be person. Is not that, Hayagriva?
Prabhupada: Yes. Very big, big scientists, astronomers, mathematicians, they have written in that book, Evidence of Existence of God. And they have all agreed that if there is God at all, He must be person. He cannot be imperson. And God says personally, "There is no greater truth than Me. Arjuna, there is no greater truth than Me." Aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8], "I am the source of all energy." So God says, Arjuna says, Vyasa says, Narada says; why should we hear a street man? (laughter) (Prabhupada laughs) A man in the street, is he greater than Narada? Is he greater than Vyasa? He is greater than Krsna? Then why should I hear him? You should ask him, "Please, keep your theory with you. We are greater authority than you." Yes. Yes?
Jaya-gopala: If we are on the street and collecting money and we are thinking, "Oh, I am a very good collector; I am collecting so nicely."
Prabhupada: Yes, Yes. You are very good collector for Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes, you should be proud, you should feel proud: "I am working for Krsna very nicely." (laughter) We don't reject anything. Even this pride, yes. "I am greater servant of Krsna. Yes, I am proud." That pride is nice. Yes?
Guest or devotee: This might be a stupid question, but like, uh...
Prabhupada: Well we are all stupids. (laughter) So questions must be stupid.
Guest/Devotee: In yoga I've heard a lot about...
Prabhupada: Yes, because we are stupids we must have... Just like he says, "I have heard in the street." You see? We have to hear everything from Krsna, then it is perfect.
Guest/Devotee: Well, uh, sometimes I feel, uh, what they call cakras. Like I feel very light over here, and I feel something swirling over here that I think they call the thousand-petalled lotus. Is this just my imagination, or are these things real?
Prabhupada: Yes, it is imagination. If you just open your skull, you will find no lotus there. (laughter) So it is your imagination, that's all. These imaginations are prescribed for persons who are too much absorbed in this bodily concept of life. "Here is a lotus, here is a manah sarovara, and here is ocean of bliss, here is... Oh, you have to find out." Just to make him concentrate. Just like a naughty boy, to make him stop nonsense doing, "Please sit down here. Stop this all." Our proposition, "I am not this body. Even there is lotus, I don't care for it." Do you follow? I am not this body. Even there is lotus, what I have to do with this lotus? My first proposition is I am not this body.
Guest/Devotee: But in, I think, in air, in the Bhagavad-gita somewhere it says that at death you're supposed to, uh, concentrate on the air at the top of the head, which...
Prabhupada: That concentration, in the Bhagavad-gita I do not know where it is, but in the yoga system the concentration is to think of Him, Visnu. Not of the lotus in the head. Yes?
Prabhupada: (pause) Sri Krsna Caitanya and maha-mantra the same. Krsna and His name is same. Sri Krsna Caitanya and Hare Krsna is the same. Sri-krsna-caitanya radha-krsna nahe anya. Sri Krsna Caitanya is combination of Hare and Krsna. So there is no difference. They are all the same. But because we receive through the mercy of Sri Krsna Caitanya, Sri Krsna Caitanya has appeared to deliver us this maha-mantra; therefore, we first of all pray Sri Krsna Caitanya that "Give us strength to receive Hare Krsna." Therefore we chant sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda... Just like you offer your respect to the spiritual master first. That does not mean that spiritual master is greater than Krsna. But the spiritual master is mercy manifestation of Krsna; therefore sastra says that you should offer him the same respect as to Krsna. But by that way, a spiritual master does not think that "I have become greater than Krsna." Then he is a Mayavadi, or equal to... (end)
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