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Prabhupada: ...impersonalist or personalist. Impersonalist or personalist.
Mr. Sar: Yes.
Prabhupada: Who is better?
Mr. Sar: Yes.
Mr. Sar: Yes.
Prabhupada: They simply suffer, that's all. It is already explained. The impersonalists, they cannot concentrate their mind upon the Supreme, and simply hodgepodge. Therefore they suffer.
Mr. Sar: Yes.
Mr. Sar: That's why they...
Prabhupada: Simply trying to know, know, know.
Mr. Sar: Know.
Mr. Sar: Yes, and not getting that thing.
Prabhupada: There is no rice...
Mr. Sar: No rice even.
Prabhupada: Simply "gad-gad-gad-gad-gad-gad."
Mr. Sar: "Gad-gad-gad-gad-gad-gad-gad."
Prabhupada: Hmm. No, Krsna says...
Prabhupada: He never says that "By mental speculation, one can understand." He never says.
Mr. Sar: He's beyond the reach of the mind.
So this process is not good.
Mr. Sar: That is, He shows His grace, isn't it? That means, isn't it, whom He selects, whom the Lord selects?
Dr. Patel: No, it may be even living.
Prabhupada: Why even it is dead while it is ferocious?
Prabhupada: No, no. There are certain things which are simply by form is dangerous. [greets passersby:] Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Here is another.
Prabhupada: This is water snake? [Indian men comment on snake] They have no poison.
Prabhupada: Mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah [Bg 7.1]. This is the stress. Mayy asakta: "Here I am present. Why you should contemplate on imperson?" But the foolish people will not understand this. Mudha. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante [Bg 7.15]. He is canvassing, "Here I am," but they will not surrender. They are searching out God somewhere else. "Here I am." "No, no, no. You are not." Mudha.
Mr. Sar: Mudhas, yes.
Mr. Sar: Oh. That is why their... This path is not good for mankind.
Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore, according to Vedic civilization, one must accept sannyasa at a certain stage.
Mr. Sar:
Dr. Patel: And he must have life like Bharata.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Dr. Patel: Because Krsna's representative.
Prabhupada: He is the root. Aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2]. Aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg 10.8]. The root, if you water the root, then sarva-bhuta hite ratah, the water will go to the branches, to the twigs, to the leaves, to the flowers. He is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah [Bg 5.25]. They do not know the way how to become sarva-bhuta-hite. And because... Just see the example. I am not becoming proud, but because I have got little taste for it, therefore I am preaching all over the world. I don't say I am perfect. I have got little taste of krsna-bhakti. So I have no distinction that "This is Indian. This is American. This is African." Everyone, I am giving this hari-nama. This is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah, no distinction. We are trying to give protection to the cows, to the animals, to the trees. This is sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Unless one is... Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad... [SB 5.18.12] If one is not devoted to Krsna, he cannot become sarva-bhuta-hite ratah. Kleso 'dhikataras tesam [Bg 12.5]. Simply they will suffer, that's all.
Dr. Patel: You have to work the main switch to electrify the...
Dr. Patel and Mr. Sar:
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Prabhupada: ...early in the morning have maṅgala-aratrika, then prasada. Now, walk, also talking. We are not wasting time. We are not wasting time. Even if you say, "Why you are walking?" then we are not walking for nothing. We are talking. Satatam kirtayanto mam yatantas ca drdha-vratah [Bg 9.14]. Satatam kirtayantah. So walking, talking.
Mr. Sar: Yes, yes. He stays in utter poverty.
Prabhupada: He does not care for his body even.
Mr. Sar: Yes, he does not care.
Prabhupada: I forced him to go to USA and get...
Dr. Patel: I invited him to stay in my house, but he said that he won't come.
Prabhupada: No, no, he is not interested for his person.
Prabhupada: Ah, advesta. It is not, "I am Hindu. Why shall I preach amongst the Christian?" The dvesta.
Prabhupada: Why you should be?
Prabhupada: Yes. [laughs]
Mr. Sar: Ye... [Hindi]
Prabhupada: We cannot change. Therefore yesterday I said, "Why shall I go to...?"
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: You are firing us. [laughs]
Prabhupada: For your good. For your good. Even if I fire you, for your good.
Dr. Patel: [laughing] I was ready to come to this point. That is why I asked them to arrange for this meeting. [break]
Prabhupada: Anapeksah, just see. When I went to Europe, America, I went with forty rupees. The Sumati Morarji gave me a ticket, and I had only forty rupees. That forty rupees could not be spent there. Then, when I was getting down, I asked the captain, "Captain Pandia," that "I have not a single dollar with me. So you purchase one set of my books." "So what is... Swami, what is your price?" "Sixteen dollar." He paid me twenty dollars. With that twenty dollars, I dropped.
Prabhupada: Now I think we have got money.
Dr. Patel: Two million dollars.
Prabhupada: [laughs] So that is not a problem. That is not a problem because I knew that Krsna is there.
Dr. Patel:
Yo na... [break]
Prabhupada: In the beginning...[break]
Prabhupada: Yes, subhasubha. When I was in Boston, I was thinking that "I have come here. How they will receive me? As soon as I'll say that 'No meat-eating, no illicit sex, and no gambling and no intoxication,' immediately they will say, 'Please go home. Don't preach here.' All right." So for one year there was no success, you see? And I was going to the shipping company: "When your next ship is coming to return back?" So the manager was telling, "Swamiji, you are always inquiring, but you never go." [all laugh] I said, "Yes, when I am too much frustrated, I come to here to ask you. Then again I go back: 'Let me see two months more.' " It was going like that. Nobody was there with me.
Dr. Patel:
Prabhupada: [laughing] Aniketah. Automatically aniketah. There was no place, no place to live. No money.
Mr. Sar: One who has no place, he lives everywhere.
Dr. Patel: But how long you going to stay here? You have promised me to stay long, eh?
Prabhupada: But if Krsna allows...
Dr. Patel: I will always pray to Krsna.
Prabhupada: I am dependent on Krsna. If He allows. [aside:] Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: Because we can't come to America to keep your company.
Prabhupada: Now, here is a Pacific Ocean.
[break] Sometimes I think, "When I was simply depending on Krsna, those days... Now I have to depend on so many disciples." [laughter]
Prabhupada: [laughing] They are good disciples. They are bringing everything; I am simply ordering. Still, I think, "That was better, to depend on..."
Prabhupada: No, why you have become angry?
Dr. Patel: No, I don't become angry. I become violent, not angry.
Mr. Sar: Mayavadi's name is speaker.
Prabhupada: That means he is Mayavadi.
Prabhupada: He is becoming angry; that means he is Mayavada.
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