Room Conversation

November 2, 1977, Vrndavana
Tamala Krsna: Sixty-three thousand copies printed. Krsna book in Spanish, three volumes. [break] I think, 50,000.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, 55,000 copies. Beautiful books, Prabhupada. This is Volume One, Volume Two, and Volume Three, Krsna-Balarama.
Brahmananda: These are printed in America by the same publisher who publishes the English ones.
Tamala Krsna: Now, here's a box. Srimad-Bhagavatam, Tenth Canto, Part Two.
Prabhupada: English?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Another edition.
Tamala Krsna: This is the first time this is published. You haven't seen this yet.
Brahmananda: This is 10.2.
Prabhupada: Oh, Tenth Canto.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, 10.2 There's nothing quite as relishable as seeing your books in the English. It's beautiful. These colors...
Prabhupada: Read it.
Tamala Krsna: Read it. From anywhere in particular? "The Killing of the Demon Putana." Should I read the chapter summary? "A summary of the sixth chapter is as follows: When Nanda Maharaja, following the instructions of Vasudeva, was returning home, he saw a great demoniac woman lying on the road, and then he heard about her death. While Nanda Maharaja, the king of Vraja, was thinking about Vasudeva's words concerning disturbances in Gokula, he was a little afraid and sought shelter at the lotus feet of Sri Hari. Meanwhile Kamsa sent to the village of Gokula a raksasi named Putana who was wandering here and there killing small babies. Of course, wherever there is no Krsna consciousness there is the danger of such raksasis. But since the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself was in Gokula, Putana could accept nothing there but her own death." Here's some other books, Srila Prabhupada. Should I show you some more? Teachings of Lord Kapila, the Son of Devahuti. (devotees exclaim)
Brahmananda: You wanted this book. You gave the lectures in Bombay on Kapiladeva's teachings to Devahuti.
Tamala Krsna: Ah, there's nothing like these books.
Upendra: Oh, it's beautiful, green cover.
Tamala Krsna: What is the form of this book?
Brahmananda: They're Prabhupada's lectures on the particular verses from that...
Tamala Krsna: One lecture after..., one verse after another.
Brahmananda: Plus the purports.
Tamala Krsna: Text 29, text 28, text 27. It's one chapter of the Bhagavatam.
Brahmananda: Purports and the lectures.
Tamala Krsna: There's more books.
Brahmananda: This is beautiful, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: This is another part?
Tamala Krsna: Look at this! Very high class. You want to lean back, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Hand caught.
Tamala Krsna: Here's a new book.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Tamala Krsna: It's called Preaching is the Essence. "His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada." It says, "Compiled by Ramesvara dasa Swami and Subhananda dasa Brahmacari." It says, "A note of explanation. Every word of the text of this book is taken directly from the books of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, founder-acarya of the International Society for Krsna Consciousness. The text appearing in boldface type is Srila Prabhupada's translations of verses from the Vedic literatures. The text in regular roman type consists of excerpts from His Divine Grace's summary studies and purports. Contents in brief: 1) The mission of the Lordto give all living entities the benediction of Krsna consciousness. 2) It is the duty of the devotee to preach." Each one of these subjects, then they give verses or purports.
Brahmananda: All about preaching.
Tamala Krsna: In other words, a devotee can use this book to learn these verses which substantiate the following points. These are the points. "3) Preaching Krsna consciousness is the highest welfare activity. 4) Krsna consciousness should be distributed to everyone without restriction."
Prabhupada: How many copies?
Tamala Krsna: This was printed strictly for the devotees, two thousand copies only. It's meant as like a preaching weapon. "5) One who preaches Krsna consciousness is dear to Lord Krsna and is protected by the Lord. 6) Krsna empowers the preacher. The Krsna consciousness movement spreads by the mercy of Lord Krsna and Lord Caitanya. 7) Preaching is based on compassion. 8) The preacher should practice tolerance. 9) To be effective in preaching, the preacher must be pure and follow the regulative principles. 10) Conditioned souls benefit from hearing Vedic literature, krsna-katha. 11) The future of the Krsna consciousness movement." Should I see what it says under that?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: The future of this movement? Page 88. "The future of the Krsna consciousness movement. The Krsna consciousness movement can save the world. 'Kirata, hunandhra, pulinda, pulkasa, abhira, sumbha, yavana [SB 2.4.18] and the khasa races, and even others who are addicted to sinful acts, can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord, due to His being the supreme power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him.' Purport: 'The above-mentioned historical names are different nations of the world. Even those who are constantly engaged in sinful acts are all corrigible to the standard of perfect human beings if they take shelter of the devotees of the Lord. Jesus Christ and Hajrat Muhammad, two powerful devotees of the Lord, have done tremendous service on the behalf of the Lord on the surface of the globe. And from the version of Srila Sukadeva Gosvami, it appears that instead of running a godless civilization in the present context of the world situation, if the leadership of world affairs is entrusted to the devotees of the Lord, for which a worldwide organization under the name and style of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness has already been started, then by the grace of the Almighty Lord there can be a thorough change of heart in human beings all over the world, because the devotees of the Lord are able authorities to effect such a change by purifying the dust-worn minds of the people in general.' " Then it gives so many other quotes. "Krsna consciousness will spread all over the world." Then it quotes from the Caitanya-caritamrta. " 'The Krsna consciousness movement will inundate the entire world and drown everyone, whether one be a gentleman, a rogue or even lame, invalid or blind. When the five members of the Panca-tattva saw the entire world drowned in love of Godhead and the seed of material enjoyment in the living entities completely destroyed, they all became exceedingly happy. The more the five members of the Panca-tattva caused the rains of love of Godhead to fall, the more the inundation increases and spreads all over the world.' " [break]
Prabhupada: Jaya.
Sri Narayana(?): (Hindi) ...improvement?
Prabhupada: (Hindi) What happened to the car?
Tamala Krsna: Er, do you know the history?
Bhakti-caru: Yes. First thing they had a flat tire. Then they ran out of gas, and then there was no petrol station. Then they lost the track. They went to some...
Prabhupada: So he missed the plane.
Sri Narayana: Missed the plane. Coming from Delhi?
Bhakti-caru: Yes. They were supposed to come here at two o'clock.
Prabhupada: I have got my car, but they arranged for a Mercedes car.
Sri Narayana: Mercedes car, bigger car, yes. Oh, I see. So that means God didn't want you to leave. (Hindi)
Prabhupada: This is Indian culture.
Sri Narayana: Indian culture, Gita culture. (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Yes. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati [Bg. 4.7]. (Hindi) Whenever there are discrepancies in the human societytadatmanam srjamy ahamat that time He appears. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. This is the program. And when He comes, the time is fixed. So unless one thoroughly studies, they cannot accept. Actually Krsna... Imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. This system, Bhagavad-gita, it is yoga, bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga is the topmost.
yoginam api sarvesam
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
[Bg. 6.47]
There are many yogas. The aim is how to come to the topmost yoga. That is bhakti-yoga. And Krsna says to Arjuna, bhakto 'si me. What is that verse? Eh? Evam puratanah yogah.
Tamala Krsna: Bhakto 'si me sakha ceti.
Prabhupada: Ah. Rahasyam hy etad uttamam. "Because you are My bhakta and friend, therefore I am speaking to you the old system," puratanah. No new system. The people now introduce new system.
Prabhupada: Parampara... (Hindi)...puratanah yogah. They introduce their own interpretation. No... (Hindi) There is nothing required. What is that? Sa te 'ham yogah proktah puratanah. Puratanah. Find out.
Sri Narayana: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: People of the world, they're hankering after this civilization. Unfortunately we are miser. We are not giving them...
Sri Narayana: All that they should get.
Prabhupada: This is not good.
Sri Narayana: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Where is that Bhagavad-gita?
Tamala Krsna: Here, Srila Prabhupada. Can you give me the verse?
Prabhupada: Yogah proktah puratanah. Find out the...
Sri Narayana: The... Here it says sixteenth (Hindi).
Prabhupada: Fourth, fourth.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, I have the fourth chapter. I'm already in the fourth chapter.
Prabhupada: Read from the very beginning, fourth chapter.
Sri Bajaj(?): (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: I have the verse, Srila Prabhupada.
sa evayam maya te 'dya
yogah proktah puratanah
bhakto 'si me sakha ceti
rahasyam hy etad uttamam
[Bg. 4.3]
Fourth chapter, third verse.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) So yogo nastah parantapa. Eh? Then?
Tamala Krsna: Next verse?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Aparam bhavato janma param... [Bg. 4.4]
Prabhupada: No. Sa kalena yogo nastah parantapa. Read it, parampara.
Prabhupada: Ah. Puratana, the old system... (Hindi) Yogo nastah pura..., sa kaleneha nastah. (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: You have a very nice purport here, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Hm. Read it?
Tamala Krsna: It says here, "It is clearly stated that the Gita was especially meant for the saintly kings because they were to execute its purpose in ruling over the citizens. Certainly Bhagavad-gita was never meant for the demoniac persons, who would dissipate its value for no one's benefit and would devise all types of interpretations according to personal whims. As soon as the original purpose was scattered by the motives of the unscrupulous commentators, there arose the need to reestablish the disciplic succession. Five thousand years ago it was detected by the Lord Himself that the disciplic succession was broken, and therefore He declared that the purpose of the Gita appeared to be lost. In the same way, at the present moment also there are so many editions of the Gita, but almost all of them are not according to the authorized disciplic succession. There are innumerable interpretations rendered by different mundane scholars, but almost all of them do not accept the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna, although they make a good business on the words of Sri Krsna. This spirit is demonic because demons do not believe in God but simply enjoy the property of the Supreme. Since there is a great need of an edition of the Gita in English as it is received by the parampara disciplic succession system, an attempt is made herewith to fulfill this great want. Bhagavad-gita, accepted as it is, is a great boon to humanity. But if it is accepted as a treatise of philosophical speculations, it is simply a waste of time."
Sri Narayana: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) And it is natural.
Sri Narayana: Natural and it is really marvelous how it has happened.
Prabhupada: They were also hankering. And as soon as they got it, they got life.
Sri Narayana: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Accha. You can go. They will talk with me something.
Tamala Krsna: You want us to go outside, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Sri Narayana: (Hindi)
Sri Bajaj: (Hindi) Excuse me. We are just talking alone with him. [break]
Prabhupada: "...after you, who will take the leadership?" And "Everyone will take, all my disciples. If you want, you can take also. (laughter) But if you follow. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, so they'll take the leadership. I may, one, go away, but there will be hundreds, and they'll preach. If you want, you can also become a leader. We have no such thing, that 'Here is leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership, he's a leader. 'Indian,' we have no such distinction, 'Indian,' 'European.' "
Brahmananda: They wanted an Indian to be the leader?
Prabhupada: Yes. (laughs) "Everyone, all my disciples, they are leaders. As purely as they follow, they become leader. If you want to follow, you can become a leader. You are Indian. But you don't want." I told them that.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, they probably wanted to propose somebody who would take over our movement.
Prabhupada: Yes. Leaders. All nonsense. Leader means one who has become first-class disciple. He is leader. Evam parampara-prapta... One who is perfectly following... Our instruction is ara na kariha mane asa **. You know this? What is that? Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa **. Who is leader? A leader, to become leader, is not very difficult, provided one is prepared to follow the instructions of a bona fide guru.
Tamala Krsna: Why did they want us to leave the room? They wanted us to leave the room. They wanted us to go out when they were talking to you.
Prabhupada: (laughs) They are going away. Now they are finished. One day... What they will talk? Who will hear?
Tamala Krsna: They have nothing to talk. Prabhupada, they said that you are on a coordinating committee. So they want a second person from our Society also to be on the coordinating committee, because you may not always be able to attend the meetings.
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krsna: We'll tell them, "No, Prabhupada said only he alone should be on it."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: (laughs) They'll like that.
Prabhupada: I also do not want.
Tamala Krsna: You want your name to be taken off?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Really? (laughs) They're very political, these people. He said to me, "Yes, you name another person. We can help you. We have big contacts with the ministers and others."
Brahmananda: They mentioned Gopala Krsna, that they met with him about some problem with the government.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Brahmananda: They can help in something.
Tamala Krsna: No, that's their idea, that they should have somebody. It's very implicating though. I'll tell you, I wouldn't put anybody on that committee, really. It's very implicating. As soon as you go to that coordinating meeting, you're obligated to give them all kinds of facilities. They have nothing that we want, factually speaking. They have nothing. They have not helped us. (to Brahmananda:) No, they have not helped us. You're listening to what they say, but I know the facts. I know they haven't helped us.
Prabhupada: Tactfully deal with them.
Tamala Krsna: Sriman Narayana did nothing. Don't get involved with them, because you'll get so obligated. It's better to say that "Prabhupada said that simply he will be on the coordinating committee. He doesn't want anybody else to be on for now." I'll say like that. For now, you don't want anybody else. You are present, so that you alone will be on it. I like that.
Brahmananda: Don't take Prabhupada's name off.
Prabhupada: "And in the absence, we shall select another."
Tamala Krsna: Yes. I felt very bad whenever they tell me to leave the room like that. I don't like to leave you alone. I get very disturbed. I was standing on the other side of the door. I could not... I didn't like it, to be leaving you alone like that. We're trained always to be with you.
Prabhupada: Hm. Very carefully deal with them. They are trying to come into the institution to grasp the power gradually.
Tamala Krsna: That's the point. I can understand that.
Prabhupada: How much urine I passed?
Bhakti-caru: Ninety, Srila Prabhupada.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada has not drank that much yet. Did he have milk and barley water?
Bhakti-caru: Not today.(?) But he doesn't want to take barley and water. (Bengali)
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? I'm going to take a short little rest now. Taking a little rest, just short. Then I'll come back.
Prabhupada: Very carefully deal with them. They want to enter into our management.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. I'm just thinking about looking... I want to read our memorandum, because as far as I remember, the life members have the right to vote in our Society. That may be one way. They may read the memorandum and see that "We can vote." Then, by doing some politics, they create some difficulty by voting and put one of these materialistic men in charge. Good reason to remain with us, Srila Prabhupada. They won't do anything while you are present. It's better that you should remain with us. Then they won't be able to do anything.
Prabhupada: Krsna will protect you. Try.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. They're very politically minded.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Tamala Krsna: They're not at all interested in the Bhagavad-gita. And that purport I read was perfect. That purport that I read was all about doing some nonsense interpretation. That's exactly what they do. Unwilling to admit the Personality of Godhead Krsna, but enjoying the property of Krsnathat's their business.
Brahmananda: They do not believe in God.
Tamala Krsna: They're atheists. So we'll deal with them very carefully, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Brahmananda: He's meeting with the Prime Minister tomorrow. Narayana is having a meeting tomorrow with the Prime Minister and Defense Minister at the Gandhi Memorial Society.
Prabhupada: Where?
Brahmananda: In Delhi. [break]
Prabhupada: Jaya. (Hindi)
Guest (1): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) There is good demand all over the world. (Hindi) "Krsna is not person; Krsna is consciousness." (Hindi) Krsna personally speaking, and "He is consciousness." He says, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata [Bg. 4.7]. "I come down." (Hindi) Mayavadi. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has condemned, mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. (Hindi) Yogah proktah puratanah. Krsna said that "I am speaking to you the old yoga system." (Hindi) ...not my interpretation. (Hindi) [break] Krsna is person. Where is that verse in the Tenth Canto?
Tamala Krsna: In the Bhagavad-gita?
Bhakti-caru: Tenth Chapter.
Prabhupada: Purusam sasvatam. Govindam adi-purusam. [break] This is understanding of Bhagavad-gita. But they'll not do that. What can be done? They cannot preach Bhagavad-gita. Sarvam etad rtam manye [Bg. 10.14]. Next line?
Prabhupada: Ah. (Hindi) "I have come personally." Yada yada hi dharmasya [Bg. 4.7]. Bhagavad-gita. (Hindi) ...as it is. (Hindi) Bhagavad-gita as it is, never say. (Hindi) ...imagination... (Hindi) Simply waste of time. Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah, janayaty asu vairagyam [SB 1.2.7]. Janayaty asu vairagyam. (Hindi) Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah, na siddhim savapnoti [Bg. 16.23]. (Hindi) There is good demand all over the world. (Hindi) Nobody can turn them now. Jaya. Thank you very much.
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) [break]
Prabhupada: What is the report?
Aksayananda: They have just... Sri Narayanaji and Rama-Krsna Bajaji have just left. I just saw them off. They are very happy. All the members of the committee, of their committee, they made a prayer that Your Divine Grace would have long life and good health. And regarding their meeting, I simply put their... They had the loudspeaker outside. I just put it inside so no passerby can hear, and they just did their business and left. They had no problems.
Prabhupada: What resolution they passed?
Aksayananda: I do not know. (Prabhupada laughs) I could not attend it, Srila Prabhupada. I had to go... Next door we had some work with one babaji. We had given him money last year, and I had to get that money back for his land. They're given a security.
Prabhupada: Money?
Aksayananda: Yes. We were using his land for a sewer, water waste. So we had given him two thousand rupees' security. We were going to buy that land. You remember once Your Divine Grace came to see it. We were going to put all that waste water and make a garden and all this. So now we have connected with the municipal sewer line, so there's no need for that land, and that problem is solved. So we took the money back that we had given as a security. I have been there for the last two or three hours, so I was unable to come.
Prabhupada: They have returned the money.
Aksayananda: Yes, they have returned it. Bhagatji was there. He arranged everything. He is pakka baniya. He has arranged very nicely.
Prabhupada: What about the gate?
Aksayananda: That's going on. Construction is going on. Saurabha Maharaja came yesterday, and he has given that idea. He had some objection before. He's clarified that objection. It was an architectural point, just for the beauty. So he's clarified that with the engineer, and it's going on now. I haven't had time, Prabhupada, to talk to the memberssome of the members are still remaining-about their conference, because I had to go for this work. But I'll go now and meet some of these gentlemen, get some idea what is their aims and objectives and resolutions. Otherwise, unfortunately, I could not be present there. But I'll give you a report.
Prabhupada: Their aims and object is superficially good, that "We altogether preach." But they do not know the ways. That is their defect. Neither they'll take up as it is. So it will be failure.
Tamala Krsna: It is already failure.
Aksayananda: It is failure.
Tamala Krsna: The only success they had here is that they got your darsana and the darsana of Krsna-Balarama. In that sense it was a great success.
Prabhupada: They do not want anything. They want to assemble together and have some excursion.
Jagadisa: No more than croaking frogs.
Aksayananda: Srila Prabhupada, this morning, in the Bhagavata class, we read a verse how Bali Maharaja had been awarded all material opulences by the Lordbecause of his devotion, not because of his punya. So I gave lecture to the devoteesin the same way Your Divine Grace, because of your devotion and preaching, Krsna has given you every facility for propagating the Krsna consciousness movement, and although there are other nice movements in India, actually they should all join you. They should all surrender to you. We want that everyone should actually join us at your lotus feet because you have actually been given all sakti by Lord Krsna. Krsna-sakti vina nahe tara pravartana. So I told the devotees like this. "Do not be misled by others, even though they may be appearing to do nice work." Actually you are the only one who is really distributing the message of Lord Krsna. This is very obvious by the result. These others have not made even one foreign disciple. And if they did make one, he could not give up smoking, drinking and this and that. So there is no benefit whatsoever. Any intelligent person can see. Plus you have given us so much nectar. Prahlada Maharaja says mahamrta. I always think of that verse. You have given us so much nectar to absorb our minds in. There is really no chance that we will be influenced by these dry personalities.
Prabhupada: Now you take up seriously and distribute. (aside:) It has finished.
Upendra: Twenty-five.
Prabhupada: Only?
Upendra: Yes.
Aksayananda: Prabhupada, we are very much relieved that you decided to stay. We are feeling very much happy that you are still remaining here. That trip would have been very difficult for you. (long pause; devotees chanting japa)
Prabhupada: Who's the, is in...? Who's the, is in pot?(?) (long pause) It is finished.
Upendra: One hundred.
Prabhupada: One hundred?
Upendra: Yes. I think before because you were talking. You were engaging in conversation... Srila Prabhupada, I'll just rub some suska muladi oil on your feet. [break]
Bhavananda: Actually I think you're the only one on the whole planet who is not Mayavadi-Mayavadi or influenced by Mayavadi philosophy. Actually until you came to the West, the only philosophy that had come to America from India was Mayavadi philosophy. No one knew anything else. [break]
Tamala Krsna: Each verse is like a separate lecture, Srila Prabhupada. What, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: We shall chant our beads or read book?
Tamala Krsna: Which would you like?
Prabhupada: For me, everything is all right.
Tamala Krsna: So we can chant japa for a little while.
Prabhupada: All right.
Tamala Krsna: And then we can read again. All right?
Prabhupada: Yes. (devotees chant japa) [break]
Tamala Krsna: I received some results of book distribution from September, worldwide, very extraordinary figures. Actually they are astounding figures.
Prabhupada: (chuckles) That is right. He misses news.(?) [break]
Tamala Krsna: This resting is very good. Kaviraja said that two things, resting and passing urine, are signs of recovery for you. Sleeplessness is bad. But constant resting means that the body is getting a chance to renew itself and take strength. He said that we should look for that resting as a sign of gradual recovery, called "rest and recuperation." (background talking)
Prabhupada: So?
Tamala Krsna: I'll just get it, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: All right feeling.
Tamala Krsna: Is that all right? Says, "Book distribution, worldwide." Says here... These are the world totals for the month of September, Srila Prabhupada. In the month of September all over the world they distributed the following number of big books: 215,914. 216,000 big books in one month, Srila Prabhupada. Medium books: 226,000 in one month. Small books: 237,000. And Back to Godheads: 433,000. Now I calculated, Srila Prabhupada, also the total amount of money realized by the BBT. In the month of September the BBT sold, the temples sold 675,000 dollars' worth of books. In rupees, I figured out it's fifty-nine lakhs the BBT sold. Now, the temples, when they..., if they sell a book, they get double the amount of money. You know what I mean? If the BBT sells the book to the temple for say $2.50, the temple gets $5.00 when it sells the book. So I calculated that the temples collected $1,350,000 from selling your books in the month of September, which comes out to one crore, seventeen lakhs collections from book sales. Then I was calculating what this would mean... (end)

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