February 25, 1977, Mayapura
Prabhupada: No, rooms are nice?
Prabhupada: So I am requesting you that from India you take books and distribute, and in exchange, half the money you send us in powdered milk and ghee.
Bali-mardana: Hm. Yes, I am prepared to order all the hardbound books from India. I've already ordered forty thousand Bhagavad-gitas and some four or five thousand Srimad-Bhagavatams.
Prabhupada: So make this arrangement.
Tamala Krsna: Well, there's no problem. In other words, as long as we can get the import license... We'll be able to get an import license.
Prabhupada: No, one thing can be done.
Tamala Krsna: So if he can get permission... Gopala has to get permission from Delhi that instead, fifty percent will be paid in the form of these milk products.
Tamala Krsna: He just has to get permission from Delhi. That's all. Once he gets permission, there should be no problem.
Prabhupada: So wherever we have got center in India, just like this Mahesh Pandit, if we supply them the chana dal and puri and halava and nice, what is called, puspanna, his great-grandfather will come to eat.
Prabhupada: So from this milk powder we can make this chana and dahi, and ghee is there.
Prabhupada: Cheese. And you produce in the farm milk and utilize and give the cows protection.
Prabhupada: Yes. Maintain means fodder. Grow fodder. They will eat that leaf.
Bali-mardana: Yes. A boy's had experience. There is no problem. New Zealand also. We can either export from Australia or New Zealand. New Zealand is also very..., maybe even a little cheaper, but the shipping might be...
Prabhupada: Oh, very cheap.
Prabhupada: Send in Bombay.
Hari-sauri: They've already done two or three shipments to India before, so that's already established.
Prabhupada: For making devotees. It is not for business.
Prabhupada: You have seen?
Prabhupada: Yes, very nice.
Bali-mardana: Any volume we want, they are prepared to print. We simply give them the volume. They will print.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, because he is giving such a big order that they can print the whole printing even for him.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: And in Hyderabad let us produce grains. The grains, milk, ghee—then we can maintain hundreds and thousands of devotees in any place. Chant Hare Krsna and take nice food.
Bali-mardana: I know that Australia has been shipping some cows to India for increasing milk production, so we can also investigate that. If we have a farm in Hyderabad...
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: Arrange all this. Our philosophy is "Eat nicely, live nicely, and advance in Krsna consciousness." First problem is eating. That we shall supply, no problem. Eating and clothing we shall give. And shelter. Make this propaganda. They put this logic, "If we chant Hare Krsna, who shall earn? Who will earn for us?" The Indians, they do that. Rascals, they do that. They do not know Krsna provides. So we give them that "You... I give you shelter, food, cloth. Chant Hare Krsna."
Bali-mardana: Everything provided. Wherever we open these farming communities, people then they respect us.
Prabhupada: That is Krsna's order, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam [Bg. 18.44]. [break] ...is important, not that the learned brahmana class is important and sudra, he is not im... He is also important. He is giving you service according to his quality. Catur-varnyam maya srstam [Bg. 4.13]. And center is Krsna consciousness. I think from Africa also they can send because...
Indian man (1): Very good cows there.
Prabhupada: We shall regain again.
Prabhupada: If you can introduce this system, varnasrama, then it will establish. No more change. This is a rascal's government, this democracy.
Prabhupada: "Demon-crazy." (laughter) Demon and crazy. Not only demon... There are demons whose brain is all right, but they are crazy also.
Prabhupada: And introduce books in the school, colleges, libraries, so nice books. There is no doubt about it. There is no such literature throughout the world.
Tamala Krsna: Gradually some of the people are beginning to understand what you're up to, Srila Prabhupada. Some of these big demons in America especially, they are beginning to understand that you are the most dangerous personality in the world to them.
Prabhupada: To kill "demon-crazy," LSD. (laughs) Yes, that is my mission. That is Krsna's mission, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8], to kill all these demons, crazy demons. I have no such power; otherwise I would have killed them. Either establish Krsna conscious government or kill them-bas, finish. I would have done that, violence.
Prabhupada: Kill them. Finish. Just like Parasurama did. Kill all them, twenty-one times.
Prabhupada: No consideration. Kill them. Due to Parasurama, the ksatriyas went to European side, fled away. From India either they were driven away or killed when they become inconsistent with Vedic rules. So these ksatriyas and associates... These parts of the world were resided by aborigines, mean uncivilized class. So for so many years associated with them, they have learned killing the an... Otherwise they're Aryans.
Prabhupada: Bas. They have fallen.
Prabhupada: You can develop similar places. Land is so cheap.
Prabhupada: In Africa also, land is cheap. Give this civilization. Then our mission will be... The African people are nice. Everywhere they are nice. These rascal leaders make them bad. In Russia also they have nice people. These, a few rascals, they are controlling the government.
Prabhupada: Everywhere the mass people is good. We know it.
Prabhupada: Yes. So do this.
Bali-mardana: In Australia, Prabhupada, the people, they love prasada. We had a program. They did one alternative life-style festival, and the people lined up for three hours, waiting for the prasada.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Prabhupada: (laughs) Give them.
Prabhupada: Please do that. Give them prasadam and ask them to chant. Bas.
Bali-mardana: And then there were many articles written in the paper that the Hare Krsnas, they have supplied very nice food freely for everyone and they said, "Oh, they are very good."
Tamala Krsna: They may not chant in the beginning, but as soon as their bellies are full of prasada, then they chant.
Prabhupada: (laughing) They chant. Very good. Do that.
Prabhupada: Now, on this subject matter, you GBC decide how to do it and do it practically.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. How the supply will come, and everything, make program and do that. There will be no difficulty. Krsna will supply you everything. No difficulty. Actually Krsna is supplying. Now we are known all over the world, "very rich." Is it not?
Prabhupada: (laughing) "Fabulously rich."
Prabhupada: So I started... Was I rich?
Prabhupada: Wherefrom...? Forty rupees. So it is Krsna's mercy. So if we work sincerely, Krsna will supply us.
Tamala Krsna: That point we have seen proven more than anything else. You've always said this, and more and more, Krsna is supplying everything.
Prabhupada: No, it is, after all, Krsna's. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. It is His property. As soon as He sees that "Here is My real servant." "Give him all facility." It is stated in the... Tesam satata-yuktanam... [Bg. 10.10]. You know? Nityabhiyuktanam yoga-ksemam vahamy aham [Bg. 9.22]. Tesam nityabhiyuktanam yoga-ksemam vahamy aham. Everything is there.
Prabhupada: Ananyas cinta... Simply you have to think how to execute Krsna's program. Ananyas cintayanto mam?
Prabhupada: Ye janah paryupasate: "One who has dedicated his life for this program," tesam nityabhiyuktanam, "because he is twenty-four hours engaged," yoga-ksemam vahamy aham [Bg. 9.22]. Clear. Purport? Read.
Hari-sauri: Translation: "Those who worship Me with devotion, meditating on My transcendental form, to them I carry what they lack and preserve what they have." Purport. "One who is unable to live for a moment without Krsna consciousness cannot but think of Krsna twenty-four hours, being engaged in devotional service by hearing, chanting, remembering, offering prayers, worshiping, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, rendering other services, cultivating friendship and surrendering fully to the Lord. Such activities are all-auspicious and full of spiritual potency. Indeed, they make the devotee perfect in self-realization. Then his only desire is to achieve the association of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is called yoga. By the mercy of the Lord such a devotee never comes back to this material condition of life. Ksema refers to the merciful protection of the Lord. The Lord helps the devotee to achieve Krsna consciousness by yoga, and when he becomes fully Krsna conscious, the Lord protects him from falling down to a miserable conditioned life."
Prabhupada: Why not do this business, guaranteed by Krsna?
Prabhupada: Yes. (laughs) You do this.
Prabhupada: No, it is there. I am simply trying to place before you. That's all. I believe. And that is my qualification. It is not that I doubt, no. You can say that is my qualification. Asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [Bg. 7.1]. Find out this verse. Asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu.
Prabhupada: Seventh Chapter.
mayy asakta-manah partha
yogam yunjan mad-asrayah
asamsayam samagram mam
yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu
"Now hear, O son..."
Prabhupada: J-n-a means "gya" or "jna."
Hari-sauri: Jnasyasi. "Now hear, O son of Prtha, Arjuna, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from doubt."
Prabhupada: And then?
Bali-mardana: You always said because you had faith in the words of your Guru Maharaja, therefore...
Prabhupada: Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau [SU 6.23]. Similar surrender to guru. Yatha deve, as you surrender to Krsna—similar to guru—then your life is perfect. Yatha deve tatha gurau, tasyaite kathita hy arthah prakasante. Then this meaning of the scripture will be revealed automatically. And you are singing daily, guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa **. Nothing more. Then your life is perfect. This is secret. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa **. Don't manufacture ideas, rascal. Then it is finished. In material world everyone is a demon-crazy. Everyone is manufacturing ideas. And they are suffering. All rascals, are manufacturing ideas. Kartaham iti manyate. Ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. He's fully under control of the laws of nature and he's thinking, "I am independent. I can manufacture ideas." Adhyo 'bhijanavan... That is... Find out this. Adhyo 'bhijanavan asmi ko 'nyo 'sti, some like that, in the Sixteenth Chapter. "Demon-crazy." Crazy demons are thinking like that. (chuckles) "I can manufacture something. I am very intelligent. We..."
Prabhupada: No, you find out. There's so many. The mentality of the demon-crazy...
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: Yes, this is...
"The demoniac person thinks, 'So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him, and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifice, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice.' In this way such persons are deluded by ignorance."
Prabhupada: Yes. The rascal Sai Baba says, "I am God."
Tamala Krsna: Now it seems that they have detected him for sure. He's really becoming publicly denounced now all over the world.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yes. They were saying, those two Bengali gentlemen this morning, the film producers, were saying that the scholars here now and some of the newspaper people are beginning to expose, that "This is a complete cheater. This Sai Baba is cheating, and why are the innocent people falling for him? What kind of fool is he that he says he's God?" It's a good thing that they're exposing him, because he was the most acclaimed so-called "bhagavan" of them all. He is the most respected around India of all of these bogus gurus.
Prabhupada: That Sadaji Vilal has said that "Bhaktivedanta Swami... (Hindi)"
Prabhupada: He said.
Prabhupada: (laughs) He said that. (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: And coming from him it's especially relishable, because he used to criticize you for denouncing all of them.
Prabhupada: Means he's an intelligent businessman. (laughing) He can understand. He's the disciple of Chinmayananda. But he has realized that "What Chinmayananda is before Bhaktivedanta Swami?" That he realizes.
Tamala Krsna: He used to criticize Prabhupada. He used to tell me, "Your Guru Maharaja is always denouncing all the other gurus in public."
Prabhupada: Now he is doing that, (laughs) following me.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Yes.
Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja was also alone. And why not? All these rascals, why shall I call him intelligent?
Prabhupada: How can I give them? Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-gunah. Krsna says, na mam duskrtino mudhah: [Bg. 7.15] "Anyone who has not fully surrendered to..., he is this, duskrtino mudhah." That's a fact. Just see. This man has got some intelligence. He's simply cheating. This is duskrtina. He should have preached Krsna consciousness. He has got intelligence. He has created a position, means this is intelligent. But that intelligence he's applying for declaring himself as God. Therefore duskrtina. Intelligence being used for some bad purpose. He's not God. Cheating purpose. He knows it. Everyone knows that he does not know. But he is using his intelligence for some bad purpose for making some temporary position. How rascal he is. He's not God. Suppose he is accepted as God. But he is imitation or cheating God. How long it will go on? But he's such a rascal he does not know that. Antavat tu phalam tesam tad bhavaty alpa-medhasam [Bg. 7.23]. Therefore mudha. For few years, suppose he remains so-called God. What is the benefit? Next life he may become a dog. What is the benefit? Therefore mudha. Maya-sukhaya, indriyartham. Indriyartha-maya-sukhaya bharam udvahato vimudhan [SB 7.9.43]. Hm? For sense gratification for a few years and make such gorgeous cheating process. Therefore he's rascal. He does not know the value of his eternal life, how he is going to become a dog next life. He knows, but he doesn't care. He's such a rascal. For temporary happiness, men and woman, er, woman and money.
Tamala Krsna: Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, na dhanam na janam na sundarim [Cc. Antya 20.29, Siksastaka 4]. He doesn't care.
Prabhupada: No. They are... And woman and money, that will not solve the problems of our life.
Prabhupada: Even bird and beast, they can get woman.
Prabhupada: I have seen. I have studied this cricket (cricket sounds in room), that come for... Two of, the male and female.
Prabhupada: Everywhere. This male and female, nature's gift that is. Therefore tasyaiva hetoh. These things you'll get.
Prabhupada: Why you are after these things?
Prabhupada: You'll get woman. So be satisfied, the nature's gift of woman, nature's gift of your position, and utilize your life for Krsna consciousness. Why more and more, more, and naked and this way and that way? The other day what did I say? Vagina-licking civilization.
Prabhupada: They're spending so much money for vagina-looking.
Prabhupada: Yes. The money is earned with so hard labor and it is spent for vagina-looking.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, dog also smells the vagina, and they also do the same thing. Therefore nature has arranged that dog are smelling vagina on the street. One vagina and three dozen dogs surrounded.
Bali-mardana: And they make big literatures, magazines, everywhere, all over the streets. They put them in the street...
Tamala Krsna: The big thing now in America, the most popular shop, is called "Adult Books." "Adult Bookshop."
Prabhupada: Topless, bottomless. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham kanduyanena karayor iva duhkha-duhkham, trpyanti neha krpana bahu-duhkha-bhajah [SB 7.9.45]. Bahu-duhkha-bhajah. Krpana. The rascals. Krpana means non-brahmana, without any spiritual knowledge. They are never satisfied, the vagina business. Trpyanti neha krp—although it is followed by so much miserable condition—bahu-duhkha-bhajah kandutivan manasijam visaheta dhirah. One who is dhira, sober, he tolerates little itching sensation: "What this nonsense?" And if you practice toleration, there will be no more. Finished. You become liberated. Therefore, from the very beginning of life, childhood, this teach him, that "Don't be a vagina-smelling animal." Brahmacari. Brahmacari guru-grhe vasan dantah. To learn how to control the senses, that is brahmacari. Where is that civilization? So establish. Give them food. Give them shelter. Give them knowledge. That is para-upakara, doing welfare to others. But don't be entangled in vagina civilization. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham [SB 7.9.45]. It is most abominable civilization, tuccham, condemned civilization.
Prabhupada: Do this. What is my idea I have given. Hm, Yes. [break]
Prabhupada: Apareyam... [break] ...inferior. These rascals, they do not. The superior thing they do not know. They are simply entangled in this material, inferior. Psychologist, psychiatrist. (sound of shenai) Now there is moon. Intelligence. Intelligence, I think, they take it as soul. Therefore they say that the animal has no soul.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: No. They can understand that "These people are going to kill us. These people will not kill us." They can understand. You know that when I was in America some incident took place, that some slaughterhouse livestock, the..., somehow or other, it was open, and they were fleeing away, going away. Something happened. They were going up on the slaughterhouse, and some of them were shooted.
Prabhupada: Hm. Unless they could understand that "We are kept here for being slaughtered," why they were running away?
Tamala Krsna: They speak of peace, such nonsense. How can they expect peace when they're slaughtering?
Prabhupada: All do. It is very, very demons', the Western civilization. No social structure, no mercy. All good qualities devoid. Simply animals in good dress. That's all. (end)
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