Prabhupada: And you want cloth. That is primary necessities. So if you become independent about these things, your eighty percent economic problem is solved. So this is a wrong type of civilization only. That Gandhi's program was very nice. We want to revive.

Mr. Dwivedi: No, we... In fact, we have sent our students at Sabarmati Ashram itself, and the person... He is still with us. He's top of the list in the Sabarmati Ashrama, who was doing it.

Prabhupada: Anyway, we can take up this enterprise immediately. Whether we can induce the villagers, neighboring inhabitants, to cooperate? That is wanted. Otherwise what we shall do with this building?

Mr. Dwivedi: Correct.

Prabhupada: So our Gandhi's program failed because he could not attract the villagers to these activities. Everyone wants some attraction. That we were discussing, rasa, catur-vidha-rasa, dharma, artha, kama, moksa [SB 4.8.41, Cc. Adi 1.90]. So we have to educate them to be attracted by the moksa-rasa. Then they'll stay. Unless there is rasa... Just like if you put a little sugar, small black ants will come immediately. The rasa is there. Raso vai sah. If... If you cannot attract people to some rasa, they'll not stay. Just like these Americans, foreigners, they have tasted little rasa in Krsna consciousness. Therefore they are sticking. That we have to create. That is bhakti-rasa. So our first beginning is that the villagers may come, we have our temple, and they chant Hare Krsna mantra, and give them nice prasadam. And then, gradually, they will be attracted to this rasa. So that we want. So if we people cooperate... We have got our program already. The present problem is that they are being attracted with this artha-rasa. There are four kinds of rasa, catur-rasa: dharma, artha, kama, moksa. So somebody is tasting dharmartha, ritualistic ceremonies. Somebody is economic development in the cities, artha. Somebody is attracted, sense enjoyment, sex. And somebody, very pure, moksa-rasa. Catur-rasa. So in the Krsna consciousness all the four rasas are there. Simply we have to present. So that is possible by the bhakti-rasa. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam, arcanam vandanam... [SB 7.5.23]. So we have to begin. The villagers must come, sit down and chant Hare Krsna maha-mantra, and give them prasadam. If you can bring them, so far money is concerned for giving prasadam, that we shall arrange. Then, gradually, let them be engaged in spinning all their necessities of life, in plowing, in protection of the cows. They get some... We have done it already in foreign countriesenough milk, enough vegetables, enough food grains. They're so happy. They're so happy. This nonsense civilization, attracting to earn money and construct anthill... These skyscraper buildings are as good as the anthill. It has no meaning. But they are constructing. So the change of attraction. Raso vai sah. All the rasas, they should be trained up to take it from Krsna. Just like Dhruva Maharaja. Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace: [Cc. Madhya 22.42] "I have got the rasa from You. I don't want anything more." This is perfection. Otherwise, for these material rasas, punah punas carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30]. That I was discussing last night. They have got sex rasa at home. Still, they're going prostitute-hunting. [break] "Mahatma Gandhi, you have got influence over the Muslims. Why don't you stop cow-killing?" And he said, "Oh, how can I stop it? It is their religion."

Mr. Dwivedi: Which is not a fact.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Mr. Dwivedi: Which is also not a fact. Which is also not a fact.

Prabhupada: I do not wish to discuss our...

Mr. Dwivedi: Because he tried to mix politics with religion...

Prabhupada: Yes!

Mr. Dwivedi: And therefore...

Prabhupada: It was failure.

Mr. Dwivedi: ...he could not succeed.

Prabhupada: It was failure.

Mr. Dwivedi: If he had tried only religion or only social reform...

Prabhupada: There is no question of religion. Religion is... Dharma, artha, kama, moksa [SB 4.8.41, Cc. Adi 1.90], they are everything. Religion follows same thing, not that religion is impractical.

Mr. Dwivedi: It is nobody's religion, what little I know of the few religions, that to advise that "You must take a particular type of flesh and not the other type."

Prabhupada: No, flesh you can take if you are carnivorous, but not this cow's flesh. That is particularly instructed in Bhagavad-gita, krsi-go-raksya. Krsna did not say that "You be non-meat-eater." That is not possible. Jivo jivasya jivanam. Every living entity is living by eating another living entity. That is the laws of nature. But there are different types, so in the human society, if there are persons who want to eat flesh, so they can eat that nonimportant, small animal. But don't touch cow. That is Gita's instruction. Go-raksya, He has particularly said. If you are so mean that you have to eat some flesh, there are hogs, dogs, and... And you can eat. But don't touch cow. Gandhi posed himself as a great student of Bhagavad-gita, but he did not understand a single line. That is the defect. Gandhi took it, Bhagavad-gita, as a childish play. Dangerous... Therefore country is ruined. You must take Bhagavad-gita as it is. Then there is authority. You cannot change it. If you change it, where is the authority? Can you change the simple law, "Keep to the right; keep to the left"? No. It is authority. If the direction is "Keep to the right," you must keep to the right. You cannot say that "What is the wrong if I keep to the left?" Then there is no authority. So Gandhi, Tilak, and Aurobindo and so on, so on, they took Bhagavad-gita as a childish play. Whatever they want, they interpret that. And Vivekananda supported, yato mata tato patha: "You can have your own opinion." These are all nonsense. Therefore country is ruined. You must take as it is. Then it will be... You cannot change the authority of Bhagavad-gita. Krsna says, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya... [Bg. 18.44]..

Mr. Dwivedi: Vaisya-karma svabhava-jam.

Prabhupada: So go-raksya, not... Just like Vinoba Bhave recently, "Cows which have delivered milk should not be sacrificed." Krsna does not say, "Only the cows which are delivering milk, they should not be sent to slaughter." Go-raksya. Even they are not delivering milk...

Mr. Dwivedi: Go-raksya means go-raksya.

Prabhupada: Go-raksya.

Mr. Dwivedi: Raksya means go-raksya. It doesn't mean that the sick should not be protected, the weak should not be protected. Go-raksya means go-raksya.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Mr. Dwivedi: Honest, in India, the ninety-nine, more or less...

Prabhupada: They're all violators.

Mr. Dwivedi: ...are materialists.

Prabhupada: All violating. You see? I had been recently in Gandhi's asrama at Trinoba(?). I do not wish to say, but they do not understand Gita.

Mr. Dwivedi: Because they mixed politics with religion and wanted an adjustment...

Prabhupada: It is not religion. Why you take...? Religion is also, we shall do. As soon as I say religion, you say, "I have got my religion." It is science. "Two plus two equal to four" is equally understandable by Hindus, by Muslim, by Christian. "Two plus two equal to four," everyone knows. Everyone should accept. "Because I am Hindu, therefore two plus two equal to five"that cannot be. So Bhagavad-gita was misrepresented that it is meant for the Hindus. If it is meant for the Hindus, why they are coming? What is the use? They were Christians. They were Jews. Why they are coming? It is a science. So we have to present Bhagavad-gita as it isscience. It is religion. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. But they misunderstand religion. We described in a...

Mr. Dwivedi: And even the present brahmanas also equally misunderstand. For instance, Gita is compulsory in every institution right from the very beginning. So at one time, because it was compulsory for Muslims, even it was compulsory for the harijanas. I stood excommunicated for some time. Now sometimes complaint goes to the government, "What is solution?" And therefore they say, "Why government should hear you? You are complaining everybody." "This is not everybody. This is..." Gita is no particular religion's book. It is a cosmopolitan...

Prabhupada: No, no. They have no eyes to see. Why these people are accepting Gita? They are not Hindus. They are coming from Christian family, Jewish family, Muhammadan family. They could not present. They had no power to present Bhagavad-gita as it is. They are simply puffed up. So we have to develop that institution that it is meant for. In South Africa I was in a college for lecturing. There was a Arya-samaj. He says that "You are presenting Gita. It is for the Hindus." "No, this is for everything, everyone. When Krsna says that dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara [Bg. 2.13], does it mean for the Hindus? The Muhammadan kaumara does not become yuvaka? Or the Muhammadan yuvaka does not become old man? So why do you say like that?" Mudhas. Therefore Bhagavad-gita generally accepts anyone.

Mr. Dwivedi: There is no question of cooperation. We fully believe what you say. Cooperation means...

Prabhupada: Cooperation means what we say they must do.

Mr. Dwivedi: We have firm faith in what you say.

Prabhupada: Yes. Then we can take any...

Mr. Dwivedi: Cooperation can come even from a person who may not understand a whit.

Prabhupada: No, cooperation means that.

Mr. Dwivedi: In our own small way we try to live to what Your Grace has been telling me. We live actually in life.

Prabhupada: Don't try to... That is cooperation. Don't try to amend the instruction of Bhagavad-gita. That is cooperation. The rascals, they amend. And what can I do? I can use this strong word. This is used in the Bhagavad-gita, mudhah, naradhamah, duskrtinah. So it is not my manufacture. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg. 7.15]. Why we should amend Krsna's word? Surrender and do. That is cooperation. All these swamis who...

Mr. Dwivedi: Are we even one millionth of what Krsna was? If we are even one millionth of what Krsna was, we...

Prabhupada: No, you are. You are. Krsna says. You are sample of Krsna.

Mr. Dwivedi: We are sample of Krsna. Correct.

Prabhupada: But... So your duty is to cooperate. Mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [Bg. 15.7]. Living entities, Krsna says, they are part and parcel. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body. It's duty, primary duty, is to cooperate what I say. I say the finger, "Come here." Immediately... That is the duty. That is cooperation. And I say the finger, "Come here," and finger goes anywhere, that is not cooperation. Similarly, whatever Krsna says, you do it. That is cooperation. Then it will be successful. If you manufacture your own meaning, amendment, and your scholarship, nonsense, then you spoil. In politics, nonviolence? Hm? Just see. Do you think Gandhi became successful by nonviolence? Do you think? Violence. When Subhas Bose organized this I.N.A. it was successful. Otherwise he failed in South Africa; he failed in India.

Mr. Dwivedi: I had the privilege of being fairly nearly with Subhas Bapu. The last I met him was just some time before his going when he wrote a message...

Prabhupada: He was... He was for...

Mr. Dwivedi: ...for my paper for all India. I do not know whether it was Subhas Bapu's influence or I do not know my own karmas, but at least in Gandhi...

Prabhupada: That it is a fact.

Mr. Dwivedi: I could not appreciate him.

Prabhupada: No, it is a fact. When Subhas Bapu... He was always pleading, "Gandhiji, these people are not to go by your nonviolence, and we have to take to violence." Gandhi would say, "I will not fight. Sva-rajya." Then Subash went outside India. Somehow or other, he organized. And when the Britishers saw that "The military force, they are joining national movement. Now it is no hope..." Because the Gurkhas and the Sikhs and other military races, they were cooperating with the Britishers, therefore they were maintaining. They could not bring soldiers from their country. And when they saw, "The soldiers are joining Subhas," they left. "Now independence." This is a fact. Otherwise Gandhi he was patting, "Mahatmaji, you are such a great man."

Mr. Dwivedi: In the... I used to meet in northly country in the late 20's, 1929 and '30, when Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru found League for Independence of India. Subhas Bapu was the second.

Prabhupada: I was present in that meeting.

Mr. Dwivedi: So I was in the working committee with Shrinivas Iyengar from the South and this Ganesh Shankar Vidyapati from Kanpur. Subhas Bapu used to be very plain. When we used to put certain question to Jawaharlal, then he would say, "If you don't believe in Gandhi's ahimsa, you get out. Who will follow him, eh? Where shall I get the crowd to hear me?"

Prabhupada: Krsna condemned it, kutas tva kasmalam idam visame samupasthitam: "You are trying to become nonviolent." And Gandhi became more than Krsna, nonviolent. What is this nonsense? Krsna chastised Arjuna, kutas tva kasmalam idam visame samupasthitam, anarya-justam: "These things are spoken by the anaryas, not by the Aryans."

Mr. Dwivedi: No, He advised, quite right, hato va prapsyasi svargam jitva va bhoksyase mahim, tasmat...

Prabhupada: No, no, in politics, when you deal in politics there is no question... Ksatriya therefore. These things should be trained up. Some of them should be trained up as brahmana. Some of them should be trained up as ksatriya, some of them as vaisya. They are required. So these things we want to organize. We can give you instruction. We can give you help. Now you have to do it, the leading... But it will be done. If you follow our instruction, it will be done. So the buildings are there. There is no...

Mr. Dwivedi: The buildings...

Prabhupada: Simply it has to be repaired. Climate, I think, it is good, eh? Eh?

Mr. Dwivedi: Climate is fine, particularly of the place where we have our headquarters, very pleasant, in summer especially, very pleasant. We don't have bad nights.

Prabhupada: Why not go? If we go there, eh? In this time?

Mr. Dwivedi: The... In the way it might not be so pleasant, but when we have reached there it is quite pleasant because we are at a height of about 684 feet, then surrounded by forest. So therefore we don't have this heat wave in that area. And especially when we are at our college building we can telephone not to...

Prabhupada: So why not go?

Mr. Dwivedi: ...cover with the blanket.

Prabhupada: So if we go and stay there and organize...

Mr. Dwivedi: I mean, these days it's quite pleasant at our headquarters, but Gwalior, it is very hot.

Prabhupada: No...

Mr. Dwivedi: Mosquitos also.

Prabhupada: So we shall go there.

Mr. Dwivedi: At our place it's quite fine.

Prabhupada: Building is there.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, Swamiji, not one buildings. Lot of buildings.

Prabhupada: So many. So why not think over it? Let us go there for some time and organize.

Mr. Dwivedi: You wanted me first of all to bring some workers to Your Holiness.

Prabhupada: No, they may come or not come. There should be kavel(?).

Mr. Dwivedi: No... Or if Your Holiness likes, they may come, as many as Your Holiness..., ten, twenty, fifty, to be gotten with us. And Your Holiness can further talk with those boys, and then at any time, either now or two months later...

Prabhupada: No... Just like you have come. You can hold meeting amongst yourself. If you are agreeable, then we take immediately. There is no doubt.

Mr. Dwivedi: We have... If... There is no what is it that I can think of disagreeing. Your Holiness has said nothing in which I do not already believe, in which I do not try to live myself.

Prabhupada: Then we can go immediately and stay there for some time and organize. Immediately. I...

Mr. Dwivedi: And it will be fine, the line Your Holiness has suggested, a temple, although we do not have a temple in our colony itself, but we have a temple roundabout or the temple atmosphere where we are having our own...

Prabhupada: No, so many buildings... If there is any hall, if there is any big hall for tem...?

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, sir, very big hall. We have a hall to accommodate at least four hundred people.

Prabhupada: Oh, that is quite good.

Mr. Dwivedi: The second building which I showed to you already, this building (showing Prabhupada papers), we have a big hall.

Prabhupada: There we can have.

Mr. Dwivedi: The first hall is a big hall itself. The first hall is a big hall itself.

Prabhupada: So how do you go from Bombay to Jhansi? By train.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, Bombay to Jhansi by train. Or it could be this way: Bombay to Gwalior by plane and then by bus or car.

Tamala Krsna: How long it takes from Gwalior to there by car?

Mr. Dwivedi: About three hours or two hours and half, something like that. Seventy-five miles.

Tamala Krsna: What kind of road is it?

Mr. Dwivedi: Pardon?

Tamala Krsna: What kind of road?

Mr. Dwivedi: Road?

Tamala Krsna: What kind of road? Good road?

Mr. Dwivedi: Car road.

Tamala Krsna: Car road.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, throughout.

Tamala Krsna: Winding? No.

Mr. Dwivedi: No. That, little winding.

Prabhupada: So why not go by train to Jhansi?

Mr. Dwivedi: The same thing. It's equidistant from Gwalior and Jhansi. If you... Jhansi... I say Gwalior because there is plane service. There is no plane service to Jhansi.

Tamala Krsna: Then from Jhansi to here, how many...?

Mr. Dwivedi: Same, seventy-five miles. As from Gwalior, so from Jhansi.

Tamala Krsna: Two and a half, three hours.

Prabhupada: Seventy-five miles, it is two hours. That's all.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, about two hours...

Tamala Krsna: If it's a good road, two hours.

Mr. Dwivedi: So also from Savaimadapur(?), equidistance.

Prabhupada: So by train, where it is convenient?

Mr. Dwivedi: If we travel by car, then Gwalior will be better. Or even if we get down at Jhansi, that will also be very nice.

Tamala Krsna: Which is better by car, from Gwalior or Jhansi?

Mr. Dwivedi: Just the same. Just the same. Gwalior will be slightly convenient in this way that you get down at Gwalior, then I have my own house at Gwalior, so at our own house we have little rest, take our food and then start. The plane also reaches there from Bombay, say, about 12:30 or so.

Tamala Krsna: A direct flight between here and Gwalior? Direct?

Indian man: No, that is via Indore...

Mr. Dwivedi: Indore, Bhopal, Gwalior. That's it.

Tamala Krsna: That's not good. Better to go by train, Prabhupada.

Mr. Dwivedi: If you go by train...

Prabhupada: (Hindi)

Mr. Dwivedi: ...the train reaches about one o'clock roundabout.

Tamala Krsna: How many hours from Bombay by train?

Mr. Dwivedi: Twenty-four hours. We start here... No, it's twenty-two hours.

Prabhupada: There are so many trains, Bombay to Jhan...

Mr. Dwivedi: No, the fastest train is Punjab Mail, train to Jhansi. Punjab Mail. It starts quarter past four and reaches Gwalior about, oh, just 1:30 or so.

Tamala Krsna: Afternoon.

Mr. Dwivedi: Afternoon, the next day.

Tamala Krsna: Then we could... It reaches Gwalior.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Then we could get down at your house...

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: ...and wait till it cools down. Better to travel, say, about four o'clock. By then the sun is going down. It's cooler.

Prabhupada: Or we can start in the morning.

Mr. Dwivedi: Or we can start in the evening, spend the noon there at my house, and, say, we start about four o'clock... When I left Gwalior just three, four days back it was, Gwalior itself was, also quite pleasant.

Tamala Krsna: What about staying overnight in your house and leaving the next morning?

Mr. Dwivedi: That will also be quite fine.

Tamala Krsna: Morning is the best time for...

Mr. Dwivedi: Morning, evening, anytime is quite good. In the morning... Of course, morning is always cooler, like that.

Tamala Krsna: And then we can rest up a little bit.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes. Yes.

Tamala Krsna: If we have to travel by car after long train ride, it will be exhausting to Prabhupada, for everybody.

Mr. Dwivedi: So even if you want to travel by car, then...

Prabhupada: No, we can get our car from Delhi.

Tamala Krsna: Vrndavana. Vrndavana to Gwalior, how many miles?

Mr. Dwivedi: About a little over hundred.

Tamala Krsna: Oh, that's nothing at all.

Prabhupada: So we can get our car from Vrndavana.

Mr. Dwivedi: From Vrndavana your car can come to Gwalior.

Tamala Krsna: Yes.

Mr. Dwivedi: And take you over there.

Prabhupada: So why not make arrangement like that so that we can immediately take up? The buildings are there. We can begin work immediately.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, yes, yes. Buildings, big hall. For instance, in our college building, the, our... Just as you have got this open enclosure, it's bigger, I think, much bigger than this, to accommodate easily about a thousand people.

Prabhupada: I think we should arrange like that. Let us arrange. So where you are staying now?

Mr. Dwivedi: I am staying at Narancha(?). We have our own flat on this paper route(?), Abhesivasana's flat here in Bombay.

Prabhupada: I see. If you like, you can stay here also.

Mr. Dwivedi: No, I have got because... I come here. I have to look after. We are running that paper, Rural India. It's again forty-years-old paper, and I shall be only too happy if Your Holiness will give it just a little new direction.

Prabhupada: Yes...

Mr. Dwivedi: We are selling a few copies to America, to France, to England also.

Prabhupada: So... No, if you so desire, you can stay here. We have got accommodation, fooding, everything.

Mr. Dwivedi: (Hindi) Because I have to do work in the night.

Prabhupada: All right.

Mr. Dwivedi: So to correspond, I have got...

Prabhupada: All right. So...

Mr. Dwivedi: Either you might keep this way, that... Just fix up some date so I shall also get myself ready accordingly, fixed up, finish up my other...

Tamala Krsna: How many days you are intending to stay now in Bombay?

Mr. Dwivedi: I am leaving on the 25th night. Then, on... I am reaching there 26th night. On the 27th I have to attend the marriage of my younger brother's son. That will take about two days, to 27th and 28th. And then, then, till about the 3rd I am busy in the sense that our president of Abhesivasana(?), he expired recently. So he left two sons. They... They just need my little guidances in such matters, the young boys. Not young. Pretty old, but yet, because they, being the sons of a yajnirdatta(?), did not much look up to the work, now suddenly the responsibility has fallen over their heads. So... But after the 3rd or 4th, I am free.

Tamala Krsna: That's good, gives a little time for preparing.

Mr. Dwivedi: The weather at our headquarters is always pleasant. Summer, very pleasant. You'll gain in weight.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Mr. Dwivedi: And strange enough, you gain in color also in summer.

Prabhupada: Attractive.

Tamala Krsna: Said the right thing.

Mr. Dwivedi: Strange enough. And strange enough, this paper that we produce there, the worms do not eat it. And I shall be able to show you some of our record, registered, thirty, forty years old, registered, as good as they were then.

Tamala Krsna: How is the drinking water?

Mr. Dwivedi: Fine. Very fine.

Tamala Krsna: You have well, deep well.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, we have got deep wells. And the water of our wells, particularly of the college well, is the best in the area.

Prabhupada: So let us arrange like that. So... So let us arrange. Let us go there. If it is cooperation available, we take immediately. There is no doubt. Because we want to organize every village. Prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. Not only your vill...

Mr. Dwivedi: So ours has been an institution, signed and all that. We're carrying things in the majority, but really...

Prabhupada: So now one thing...

Mr. Dwivedi: ...we are working under the direction of our guru.

Prabhupada: ...can be said in the meantime, how this property...

Mr. Dwivedi: He started all this. He is my guru. He started this, all the activities there. And we were all working under his directions. When we had our, say, our discussion, if he liked, he said, all right. If he did not like, if...

Prabhupada: And that should be.

Mr. Dwivedi: ...he advised, "It has to be done this way," then no further discussion in the matter. Everybody would carry out what he said.

Prabhupada: That is wanted.

Mr. Dwivedi: And that is what... So long, at least, I am alive, I want to carry on.

Prabhupada: Thank you.

Mr. Dwivedi: And happily, in you I find a guru.

Prabhupada: And my order means Bhagavad-gita. We don't say anything extra. That is our principle. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that "You become guru." Amara ajnaya guru hana... You understand Bengali?

Mr. Dwivedi: Just smattering of it.

Prabhupada: Yes. Amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Suppose you are living in that village. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, "You become a guru here." Here. You haven't got to go out. Ei desa, "where you are living." Just see how nice it is. Amara ajnaya: "By My order, you become a guru and deliver the people of this place." This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... So "I am not educated, I do not know. How I shall become?" No, you haven't got to bother. Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "Simply you repeat what Krsna has said. You become guru." That's all. Everyone can do that. Gita is there. You sit down in your place and preach Bhagavad-gita and try to induce them to take it. You become guru. But these rascals, they are becoming guru and showing magic and so many jugglery, not Gita (Hindi), and spoil the whole country. Anyway, whatever is done is done. Now Krsna has sent you. You have got all arrangement. I am prepared. I am asking my secretary to make arrangement. Let us cooperate. It will be very nice. Mr. Dwivedi is very nice man.

Tamala Krsna: Hm.

Prabhupada: Now you have got experience. Immediately take it, and let us go practically, some of us, and cooperate. I have decided like that.

Mr. Dwivedi: Some rough date?

Tamala Krsna: Rough date means when you're free.

Mr. Dwivedi: Little difference... There will be difference, one or two days.

Tamala Krsna: You're free, you said, by the 3rd.

Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, on the 3rd I shall be free.

Tamala Krsna: So what day is the 3rd? Wed... We can come any time after you're free, 3rd, 4th, like that.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: If it's convenient to you, then we can come.

Mr. Dwivedi: No, it is quite convenient to me.

Tamala Krsna: We have no other program pending now.

Mr. Dwivedi: Then you want to this way? I send a letter and a wire over to you on the 2nd or 3rd itself.

Tamala Krsna: No, the thing is, we need at least ten days to make the train booking. Booking by train requires ten days to get reservations.

Mr. Dwivedi: Oh, I see. Then it will be right next week that you kindly have your booking, any time after 3rd.

Tamala Krsna: Any time after 3rd. So we'll make the booking, and then we'll telegram and write you the time of the arrival, day, etcetera, everything. We'll convey to you.

Mr. Dwivedi: Then I give you my Gwalior address, where your car has to come.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, you give me all of the addresses.

Prabhupada: Details.

Tamala Krsna: I can do this, if you like Srila Prabhupada, in the next room.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Tamala Krsna: Let us all go there. We can finish now with Srila Prabhupada, and then we can go and write everything down in my office.

Mr. Dwivedi: So my people need not come here now.

Prabhupada: No. We are going.

Mr. Dwivedi: My... Their good luck in taking Your Holiness over there.

Prabhupada: Yes. Instead of the mouse going to the hill, let the hill go.

Mr. Dwivedi: (laughing) Hill go to the mouse.

Prabhupada: Thank you very much. Prasadam?

Upendra: Yes, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: (Hindi) (end)