So when one understands that "I am not this body. I'm extra..." That can be understood very easily if we analyze ourselves. I have several times said, beginning from your breathing, you analyze. Take breathing. They say breathing is the life. As soon as the breathing is stopped, no more life. So does it mean that breathing is life? No. Analyze. What is this breathing? It is air. So you can get so much air and put it into a machine, just like, what is called, bellow, and pump it through the nose. It is possible to get life? No. In this way, item by item, you analyze this body. Now you are advanced in laboratory analyzing. Take this breathing, take this blood, take this skin, take this bone. So many things are there, ingredients. Analyze each one of them. Will you find life? Therefore common sense, that this is not life... Life is beyond this, beyond this material. So so-called rascals, they think that this is body, this is life, combination. There are many theories. One of the theories is the combination of this matter, these bones, this blood, this skin, the veins, the stool, the urine, so many thingsthat combination makes the life. And why don't you put... All these things are available. Why don't you put together and bring life? "That we shall do in future." Just see. What is this proposal? Therefore we are so fools and rascals that we do not know what is spirit, life, spirit. Still, we are passing as big scientist and philosopher, all rascals. Anyone who is thinking, "I am this body," he's a rascal. He's an animal. Sa eva go-kharah. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke sva-dhih kalatradisu bhauma-ijya-dhih [SB 10.84.13]. This is Bhagavata, practical analysis.

So here the Bhagavata-katha, that is transcendental knowledge. So Pariksit Maharaja has approached the right person, Sukadeva Gosvami. Why? Because he is the disciple and son of Vyasadeva. So this is parampara. One should learn from the right person, that is perfect knowledge. We are sticking to Krsna consciousness movement because to receive perfect knowledge. If we change, if we become so rascal that "What has spoken in the Vedic literature, there is beyond, something," then we are rascal. There is no beyond. This is perfect knowledge. So how to take perfect knowledge? Tad viddhi. First of all you try to learn. Tad viddhi. How to learn? Where to learn? Pranipatena, fully surrendered. If you find somebody that he is somebody important where you can surrender fully, from him... Tad viddhi pranipata... This is. Our process of Vedic knowledge is how to surrender, not that I hear and I reject it. That is not the way. That is another rascaldom. First of all find out the person where you can surrender.

Surrender means you first of all be convinced that "Here is a person who can give me actual knowledge." Therefore before selecting guru one has to convince himself that "The person whom I am going to accept as guru, whether he actually can give me the knowledge?" That is wanted. Therefore before making guru, the system is, for one year the prospective disciple should hear from the person and then decide. And similarly, the guru also see a person who is actually submissive or not. That is Vaisnava injunction, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, not that to make a guru as a fashion. No. Not do. Don't keep a guru, order-supplying guru. No. Just like if somebody keeps a dog and the master orders him, "Do this," and he does, fashion. No. It is not fashion. You must approach guru who..., where you can surrender. Otherwise don't make guru. And the guru also should not accept such rascal as guru. First of all the thing is surrender. Tad viddhi pranipatena [Bg. 4.34]. The first necessity is that you surrender. So here you have seen, Pariksit Maharaja, although the emperor of the world, he is taking lesson from Sukadeva Gosvami. Sukadeva Gosvami is seated on the throne and he is seated on the ground, submissive. So does it mean that "I shall become submissive, and whatever my guru will say, I will have to accept?" No. Pariprasnena. Tad viddhi. Here is the pariprasna. Sri-raja uvaca. Ask him. That is intelligent. Intelligently serve. First of all we must... It is not that he is checking the guru, "How my guru is learned?" No. The submission is there. But when the guru says something, he may not understand. That concession is given, pariprasna. You inquire.

So Sukadeva Gosvami said that "You have to atone for your sinful activities before your death; otherwise you will suffer in the next life." Rajovaca. Rajovaca, raja, the king, he was little doubtful about this atonement. Atonement. So his inquiry...

So srutabhyam. Sruta means... Just like we are hearing the sastra, so he has heard it from the lawbooks that if one commits theft he'll be punished. And he has seen also that a person who has committed theft, he is arrested by the police, so he was being taken to the prison house. So knowledge is acquired from two sources, by direct perception and by hearing. Just like we are hearing Srimad-Bhagavatam. This is knowledge also. And when you see there are three kinds of receiving knowledge... One is sruti. Sruti means hearing. So our Vedic process is that we hear the Vedic information, and we become perfect, sruti. And somebody challenges that "Why shall I believe in the Vedas? I must see." But everything is not possible to see. For example somebody, the mother said to the son, "Here is your father." So you have to believe your mother; otherwise how you can see your father? It is not possible. If you want to see to take the proof, "Whether this gentleman is my father," that is not possible. Because he became your father before your birth, how you can see? This is the way. You have to accept authority. So things which are beyond our perception we have to accept authority. Therefore the Vedic process is, if the world perfect order is there in the Vedas... Not if; anything which is in the Vedas, that is perfect. We have to accept. Accept. This is the way, Vedic, sruti.

So drsta-srutabhyam. Sruta means hearing, knowledge... The same thing... The person, the thief, he has seen and he has heard. Drsta-srutabhyam yat papam [SB 6.1.9]. He knows what is sinful activities. Janann apy. He knows this is... Janann apy atmano 'hitam. "This kind of activity is injurious to my person." Karoti bhuyo vivasah: "Again he commits the same thing." He knows. Karoti vivasah prayascittam atho katham: "Then what is the value of that? If he cannot stop his sinful activity, then what is the meaning of this prayascittam?" So a professional thief, he has gone to the prison several times. He has been punished. Still, he commits the same thing, again goes to the jail. A patient, he has suffered from the disease on account of certain bad habits and he has gone to the doctor. He has paid much money and suffered injection, operation, and still he is doing that. Therefore Pariksit Maharaja said, "What is the value of this prayascitta?" Prayascitta, kind of punishment.

So this is very important question. The world, whole world nowadays... I say sometimes that in the airport it is proved that... [break] ...punishment the practice of committing criminal activities is going on. This is very intelligent question, and Pariksit Maharaja will reply... Sukadeva Gosvami will reply. But this is student. Just see how intelligent question is put. The Sukadeva Gosvami said that for any sinful action one has to atone. So immediately catches the word, this is intelligent disciple, that "What is the value of this atonement? If he cannot correct himself to commit the sinful activity, then what is the value of atonement?" This is very nice question. We shall discuss tomorrow.

Thank you very much. (end)