So when the mother understood that her sons were killed, certainly she was very, very unhappy. Mata sisunam nidhanam sutanam nisamya ghoram paritapyamana. Lamenting. That is natural. So tadarudad vaspa-kalakulaksi. With tears, she was crying, and tam santvayan, pacifying, aha kiritamali. Kiritamali is Arjuna. So they were directly connected with Krsna. Draupadi's another name is Krsna. And still they had to suffer the material pangs. Not that because one is Krsna conscious there will be no material suffering. Actually, those who are Krsna conscious, they have no material suffering. Although it appears that they are suffering, they are not suffering. They can accept any so-called suffering and accept it as mercy of Krsna. They never take it as suffering. Tat te 'nukampam su-samiksamano bhunjana evatma-krtam vipakam [SB 10.14.8]. A devotee, when he's in suffering, so-called suffering, he accepts it as the mercy of Krsna. Tat te 'nukampam. And he rather thanks Krsna, that "I had to suffer many more times, but You have minimized it, giving me little suffering. So it is Your mercy." And if anyone lives on that attitude, everything taken as Krsna's mercy, then he is guaranteed to go back home, back to Godhead. Mukti-pade sa daya-bhak. Daya-bhak means his going back to home, back to Godhead, is exactly like the inheritance of property by the son. Mukti-pade sa daya-bhak. So we should learn from the Pandavas that Krsna was always present with them, still they had to suffer so much material tribulations. So they were never unhappy, neither they requested Krsna that "My dear friend Krsna, You were always with us. Still we had to suffer." Never expressed that. That is pure devotion. Never try to take any benefit from Krsna. Simply try to give benefit to Krsna. Do not take any benefit from Krsna. This is pure devotion.

Perhaps you know that once upon a time Rupa Gosvami desired that "If I would get some nice foodstuff, I would have invited Sanatana Gosvami and cook some nice food." He desired like that. They were living in Vrndavana here and there, under the shade of a tree. They had no stock, nothing. So one very beautiful girl came and offered rice, dal, ghee. She said, "Baba, we have got some festival." In this country they address saintly person as Baba. So she offered so many things, and he immediately invited Sanatana Gosvamithey were living separately. And Rupa Gosvami was very good cook also. So he prepared very nice preparation and offered to Sanatana Gosvami prasadam. So Sanatana Gosvami astonishingly inquired that "Where you got all these nice things in this forest?" So he told the whole story, that "In the morning I desired, and in just a few hour, time, little time, one very beautiful girl came and offered this ingredients." So after hearing the description of the beautiful girl, Sanatana Gosvami could understand that she was Radharani. So immediately he chastised Rupa Gosvami, that "You have taken service from Radharani. This is not good. We are trying to give service to Radharani, and you have taken service from Radharani."

So this is Vaisnava consideration. They are firmly determined not to bother Krsna with anything. Simply to serve Him. Anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Similarly, Krsna also finds opportunity when to serve His devotee. This is the reciprocation. The devotee wants to serve Krsna without any return, and Krsna also wants to serve devotee whenever there is opportunity. This is the transaction of love: not to take anything return.

So these Pandavas are the best example, and better than the Pandavas, there are other devotees. And the topmost surrendered devotees are the gopis. There is no more higher exalted devotees than the gopis. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommended that the gopis, ramya kacid upasana vraja-vadhu-vargena ya kalpita. There is no better type of worshiping Krsna than the method by which gopis worship Krsna. They, their love was so intense that they did not care for any family, any honor, or any prestigenothing. That is the highest, topmost loving stage of Krsna. And Krsna also loved the gopis, so much so that Krsna asked them that "You cannot expect any return from Me for your ecstatic love. I cannot give you. It is beyond My power." So they purchased Krsna. And the topmost gopi is Radharani. So we should not consider these gopis' dealings with Krsna as ordinary material dealings. It is not that. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis tabhir ya eva nija-rupataya kalabhih [Bs. 5.37]. The gopis are expansion of Krsna's pleasure potency. That is described by Srila Jiva Gosvami. Radha krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmat. Hladini-sakti. Krsna has got the pleasure potency. Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate [Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. He has got multi-energies. In the Visnu Purana it is also said, parasya brahmanah saktis tathedam akhilam jagat. Whatever we see, that is display of the potencies, different potencies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Just like the sun is ninety-three millions of miles away from this earthly planet. Still we are getting heat and light energy of the sun. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhutah [Bs. 5.37]. That is Krsna's energy. Although He is in the Goloka planet, which is the topmost planet in the spiritual world... You cannot estimate the how far the spiritual world is from this material world. From material calculation they say it takes about some forty thousands of years to go to the limit of this universe. Then beyond that universe there is the spiritual world. Paras tasmat tu bhavo 'nyah [Bg. 8.20], another nature, avyakto 'vyaktat sanatanah. Then you pass through the spiritual world, brahmajyoti. There are innumerable, unlimited number of Vaikuntha planets. Then, above all of them, there is the planet Goloka Vrndavana, where Krsna resides.

It is said in the Brahma-samhita, goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya [Bs. 5.43]. Goloka-namni nija-dhamni. That is Krsna's personal planet, Goloka Vrndavana. Goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya devi-mahesa-hari-dhamasu tesu tesu [Bs. 5.43]. There are other planetary system, Hari-dhama, Vaikuntha-dhama. Then, this is, this material world is called Devi-dhama, and between the Goloka, between the spiritual world and material world there is...Goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya devi-mahesa-hari-dhamasu [Bs. 5.43]. So there are so many status (?) of planetary system. Each planet is full with living entities. The spiritual planet, they are full of living entities: they are all liberated, nitya-mukta. And those who are within this material world, planets, they are nitya-baddha. Nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta. There are two kinds of living entities. The nitya-baddhas are only few, but the nitya-muktas are many, many. This material world is only one fourth energy of the creation. The three-fourths energy is in the spiritual world. And here in the one-fourth energy there are innumerable universes, and each universe is full with different types of planets, and each planet is full of living entities. But these rascals, they say it is..., there is no living entity; it is sand and rocks. So this is not the fact. You have to understand from the Vedic literature about the planets, where which planet is existing, where is spiritual world, where is material world. All informations are there. Don't speculate and simply think that this planet is full of living entities, all other planets are vacant. This is most unusual argument. There is no meaning. But we are not concerned with that. We have got our own information from the Vedas.

So Krsna's pastimes is going on. Somewhere, or elsewhere it is going on. Therefore His pastimes are called nitya-lila, nitya-lila-prakasa. This vrndavana-lila is nitya-lila: it is going on continuously somewhere or other within this material world. And the spiritual world, it is permanently there. So the Pandavas, they are associates of the nitya-lila. They are not ordinary human beings. Wherever there is krsna-lila, they go. Therefore Arjuna asked Krsna that "How can I believe that You, first of all, many millions of years ago You spoke this philosophy to the sun-god?" Krsna replied, bahuni me janmani... What is that verse? Ah, bahuni me vyatitani janmani tava carjuna. "Arjuna, both you and Me were together, and we have passed through many different lilas. But you have forgotten; I remember." That is the difference between God and the living entities. They cannot be equal. We forget... The Mayavadi's philosopher, they put this argument that "Because we have forgotten. Now in maya we have forgotten that we are God." So what kind of God he is if he forgets? God never says "I have forgotten." Krsna says, vedaham samatitani: [Bg. 7.26] "I know past, present, future." So where is the question of forgetting? So if somebody forgets, that God is different from the God who does not forget. Therefore we have to accept two. Immediately you have to accept dvaita-vada: one forgetting-God and one not-forgetting-God. You cannot accept one. That is not possible.

And that is the fact. Just like Krsna says that "I remember when I spoke to sun-god. You have forgotten." So there are two. Similarly, Krsna's another name is Acyuta. He never falls down from His position. And if we fall down from the position... Therefore we are not on the same level. We may have some power, and we can claim that "I am God"that you can claimbut not that God, like Krsna. Therefore two words are there: isvara, paramesvara. In the Brahma-samhita therefore it is described that isvaras, there may be many, but not paramesvara. Paramesvara is one. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. So these Mayavadis, they forget this, that isvara, paramesvara, there are two words. Atma and paramatma, there are two words. So they are not equal. And Krsna says mattah parataram nanyat [Bg. 7.7]. He is the supermost isvara. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Although both of us are nitya, eternal, and living entities, still, there is difference. He is supreme living entity, we are subordinate. Prabhu and anu. Vibhu and anu.

So this philosophy is perfect, and anyone who accepts this Mayavada philosophy, that God and living entity are on the same level, they have got poor fund of knowledge.

Thank you very much. (end)