Prabhupada: ...spiritual. Otherwise, how he speaks of? These things are there in the Vedic literatures. Sa aiksata: "He glanced over, and there was creation." In Bhagavad-gita also it is said that mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. So Krsna's, or God's, position is always transcendental. Therefore those who are impersonalists, they are not attracted with the variegatedness of this material life. They want to make it void, because they have no information of the spiritual variegatedness. But this Sukadeva Gosvami, he became attracted with the pastimes of Krsna because Krsna's pastimes are not variegatedness of this material world. It is completely spiritual. And to discuss about Krsna or to hear about Krsna, to chant about Krsna, to glorify about Krsnaeverything spiritual. So if you are engaged twenty-four hours in this business you are not in this material world. You are in the spiritual world.

Devotees: Jaya. [break]

Prabhupada: Formerly the spiritual master, the disciplic succession, there are two ways. One is called saukra and another is called sautra. Saukra means succession from the seminal. Just like son. Son is born by the semina, and the disciple is born by Vedic knowledge. So the one familywise is called saukra. Sukra means semina, coming from the sukra, and the other is sautra, by hearing. So spiritual master... In India still there are gotras. Gotras means coming from that great sage. Just like our family belongs to the Gautama gotra. Gautama Rsi, from him the familywise gotra, and similarly disciplic succession is also gotra. There is no difference between putra and chatra. Putra means son, and chatra means disciple. Canakya Pandita said, putrams ca sisyams ca; they are equally treated. Both of them equally eligible for hereditary rites from the person, either he is son or disciple. So Brahma distributed knowledge to some... Practically everyone was his son because he was the first living creature. So later on, disciples also, son's son. So in this way Brahma distributed this Vedic knowledge, some to the sons, some to the... Vyasadeva also, he distributed knowledge, some to his sons, some to his disciples. That is explained in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. So that is the process of disseminating Vedic knowledge. Then?

Karandhara: (reading:)"The Lord being purnam, or all-perfect, there is no chance of His being subjected to the laws of material nature, while the living entities and the inanimate objects are all controlled by the laws of nature and thus ultimately by the potency of the Lord. The Isopanisad is a part of the Yajur Veda."

Prabhupada: There are four VedasSama Veda, Yajur Veda, Rg Veda, and Atharva Veda. Originally there was one Veda, but later on, Vyasadeva divided them into four. So Yajur Veda is one of the Vedas, and the Isopanisad is stated there. All the Upanisads are stated in the different kinds of Vedas. Therefore Upanisad is accepted as Vedic study. Go on.

Karandhara: "The Isopanisad is a part of the Yajur Veda, and as such, it contains information as to the proprietorship of all things that exist within the universe."

Prabhupada: Just like evidence. Evidence... (aside:) Now you can sit down. Evidence, whenever we want to give evidence... Just like in law court, the evidence, you have to cite the section or the preamble of the laws. Similarly, in our human civilization this evidence is Vedas. If you find something stated in the Vedas, that you have to accept. That's all. Axiomatic truth. And because the Vedas were particularly studied by the brahmanas, high-class qualified brahmanas, therefore they are also accepted as authority. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He was at Puri, the king of that place, Maharaja Prataparudra, he inquired from Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya, "Oh, what is your opinion about this Caitanya who has come here?" He said that "He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead." So the king immediately accepted it. King said, "Oh, He is Supreme Personality of Godhead?" So he accepted immediately, just like... There is no question of experimenting. Because an authority like Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya is stating, a brahmana and... He was very learned scholar. You know Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya's name. So because he said that "He is Supreme Personality..." He did not ask any storekeeper, but he asked a learned brahmana who knows things. So similarly, we have to accept in that way. In each and every case, if we want to research, it is not possible, because our senses are blunt senses. What you can do? Acintyah khalu ye bhava na tams tarkena yojayet. The sastra says that "Things which are beyond your conception, beyond your mental speculation"avan-manasa gocarah"neither you can express by words, neither you can think of." Avan-manasa gocarah.