So the recommendation is... That was a topic between Maharaja Nimi and great sages called nine sages, navayogindra. Nava means nine. Yogindra means mystic yogis. So they were talking, and Maharaja Nimi questioned the different incarnations in different ages. And Camasa Muni was replying. In that replying, he said that in the Kali-yuga, in this age... This age called Kali-yuga. This Kali-yuga has begun about five thousand years ago. So he said, "In the Kali-yuga the process of self-realization is sankirtana movement." Sankirtana. Sankirtana means bahudha, bahubhir militva. When congregational chanting is done, that is called sankirtana. So in this age the sankirtana movement is recommended. There is no question of what is your religion, what is my religion. Everyone can join in this sankirtana movement, without any discrimination. That is the recommendation. Yajnair sankirtana. This is also yajna, sacrifice. You are sacrificing some time, your valuable time, in joining with us to perform the sankirtana movement. That is a sacrifice. And sacrifice means to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Yajna. Yajna is the name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, yajnarthat karma anyatra karma-bandhanah. Whatever you have to act, you have to act on the basis of pleasing the Supreme Lord.

In the Srimad-Bhagavata there is another verse, that,

So it is said that kalau sudra sambhava. In the modern age, people are being taught in the university to become sudraneither brahmanas nor ksatriyas nor vaisyas, generally. Because after education, they will have to seek after some service. He becomes a great technologist, but unless he gets a good job, his whole education is spoiled. You see? So therefore, in the Vedic sastra it is said, in this age people are almost all sudras. Kalau sudra sambhava. So the president of that meeting, Suta Gosvami, said that it doesn't matter whether one man is brahmana or a ksatriya or a vaisya or a sudra. This is social order. And then spiritual order: brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha, and sannyasa. Brahmacari means student, unmarried student, without any sex life. That is brahmacari. And then grhastha, householder. Those who are living with wife and children, they are called householder, grhastha. Then vanaprastha, the retired persons. And then sannyasa. After retirement, one dedicates his whole life for preaching work, preaching Krsna consciousness. That is sannyasa order. So this is... These four divisions are in the spiritual order, and the other divisions are in the social order. Human society without these eight divisionsmeans social divisions and spiritual divisionsit is not called civilized. They must have. Therefore Suta Gosvami said, the social orders are there, and the spiritual orders are there, and each and every order, there are prescribed duties. The brahmanas, they are engaged in such and such things, the brahmacaris are engaged in such and such thing, the ksatriyas are engaged... There are different prescribed duties. Now Suta Gosvami says that varnasrama-vibhagasah. There are divisions of duties and divisions of social and spiritual order. That's all right. But how one can understand that by executing his duty, he's going to the path of perfection? Everyone should be confident that whatever he is doing, he's doing for the perfection of life. That should be the aim of. In the modern education system, not only education system, in every field of life, practically we do not know what is the ultimate goal of life. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninah [SB 7.5.31]. They do not know what is the goal of life. The goal of life is Visnu, or the Supreme Lord, or God. That one has to understand what is the Supreme Lord, what is Absolute Truth, "What is my relationship with Him and what is my duty towards Him?" These things are to be known, and one has to adjust his life in that way. So Suta Gosvami says, never mind in whatever order one may be situated, the perfection is samsiddhir hari-tosanam [SB 1.2.13]. Atah varnasrama-vibhagasah dvija-srestha svanusthitasya dharmasya. One should try to test, "How my duties are being perfectly done?" That one has to see.

So that perfection is recommended, hari-tosanam: whether by your duty, by your action, the Supreme Lord is satisfied. Just like we want to satisfy... In the schools, colleges, we want to satisfy our professor, teachers, principal. Or as good citizen we want to satisfy our government or... Similarly, you have to satisfy somebody. That is the perfection. The highest perfection is to satisfy hari-tosanam. Hari means the Supreme Lord, and tosanam means satisfaction. Whether by your work and duties, discharging your duty, the Supreme Lord is satisfiedthat is your perfection. But this is very rare thing. At the present moment practically nobody has any information what is his relationship with God or what is God. Practically, they are declaring "God is dead," and "I am God, you are God, everyone is God." These things are all... "There is void." "There is no God," "There is no control." So, so many things are going on. That is the disease of this present age. And this movement is practically against this idea of godlessness, this Krsna consciousness movement. The whole idea of this Krsna consciousness movement is to fight against the idea of godlessness. So the Bhagavad-gita is there. We are fighting in two ways. One way is that this chanting, Hare Krsna. Very simple thing. Everyone can join: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. By chanting this movement, by the vibration, gradually one's heart, which is so contaminated that he is denying the existence of God, will be gradually simplified or clarified. Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. Just like the mirror, when it is overcast with dust, you cannot see your face nicely. But if you clear the dust you can see clearly. Similarly, our, this disease, denial of God, or "God is dead," "There is no God," "I am God," "You are God," such kinds of conception is due to covering of material dust on the mirror of our heart. Ceto-darpana-marjanam. If you simply chant this transcendental vibration, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, you don't require any qualification and you don't require that you have to become intellectual man or an administrator or a productive man or... Never mind whatever you are. You be situated in your place, but you try to chant this Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. The result will be that your heart, the dust on the mirror of your heart, will be gradually cleansed. And when it is completely cleansed, then you will understand that you are not this body. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].

All the problems of our life, whatever you may say, social, political, religious and whatever... There are so many problems. The whole material world is full of problems. These problems are compared just like blazing fire in the forest. Just like in the forest, there is fire, nobody can check. Although nobody goes to the forest to set fire, it takes automatically. Similarly, in this material existence of life, we do not want any problem, but problems are created. Just like automatically there is fire in the forest without our endeavor, similarly, material problems are created automatically by our dealings, by our behavior. So if you chant this Hare Krsna mantra, the first result will be that you will understand your real constitutional position, for which many great mystics, sages and saints are meditating, "What I am?" That, I mean to say, procedure of spiritual realization will be the first installment, your profit. You'll understand that aham brahmasmi, "I am not matter, I am spirit soul." And as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, as soon as one is self-realized, that is called brahma-bhutah. Aham brahmasmi: "I am not this body, I am spirit soul. I am part and parcel of the Absolute Truth." This realization is called Brahman realization. And as soon as you come to the platform of Brahman realization, then the result will be brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54]. You'll be joyful. You'll be free of all anxieties. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma. That is the sign. It is not that simply... I may advertise that I am self-realized, but my behavior will show whether I am self-realized or not. Everything is stated in the Vedic literature, that a brahma-bhutah person, a self-realized person, the symptom of the self-realized person is that he is joyful. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54]. Without any anxieties. This materialistic life means full of anxiety always. And spiritual life means without this anxiety. Just the opposite. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma. And what is the symptom of being joyful? That is also stated: na socati na kanksati. There is no lamentation for loss, and there is no hankering for gain. Everyone in this material world is hankering after some gain. And if you have got some gain, if it is lost, then he's lamenting, "Oh, I have lost so much." So these two business... Hankering, when we do not possess, we hanker. And when we possess, it is lost. Because everything... The material waves are such that whatever we possess, we shall lose it. We have got this nice body, one day we have to lose it. Everything. You possess and lose, possess and lose. Therefore the..., punah punas car..., the same thing repeatedly: gaining and losing, and lamenting and hankering, lamenting and hankering. This is the position of material life.

So in the Bhagavad-gita it is said that brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati [Bg. 18.54]. As soon as you come to that platform, prasanna, joyfulness, then samah sarvesu bhutesu. The next stage is that you look everyone on the same level. There is no distinction between black and white or the Indian or American or Russian or this and that. No. Panditah sama-darsinah [Bg. 5.18]. One who is actually learned, he sees everyone on the same level of spiritual understanding. So brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu. This is the stage of acquiring Krsna consciousness.

So that stage is brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54]. When you are on the brahma-bhutah, or spiritual, self-realization platform, then your senses are purified and you can see things in two perspectives. And at that stage, you can see God also. You can talk with God also. Just like in the Brahma-samhita it is stated, premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti [Bs. 5.38]. You have... Most of you know the yoga. The yoga system means to see the Supreme Person, or the Absolute Truth, or the Personality of Godhead, Visnu, within your heart. That is the perfection of yoga. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam... Dhyanavasthita, by meditation, one can see. So this perfectional stage can be achieved when you are in the brahma-bhutah stage, Brahman realization stage. So Lord Caitanya said that if you chant this Hare Krsna mantra, the first installment of your gain will be that your heart, which is contaminated now with so many materialistic dust, it will be cleansed. And next stage will be bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. That means you'll realize yourself that "I am not this matter, I am soul. And my relationship with God is this. God is like this." And gradually, you will develop your love for God. You have got that love. Dormant love is there, but because we do not know what is God, because we do not see the beauty of God, because we do not know the mercy of God, therefore our love has been forced or placed in the dog. Instead of God, we have placed our love on dog. So we have to simply change. Our love is distributed in the matter in so many ways. That will not make me happy because I am not matter. I am a spirit soul. I have to transfer my love towards the Supreme Spirit, God, then I'll be happy.

So this Krsna consciousness movement is a process by which you can transform your love from matter to God. That's all. You have got love but you are being frustrated. You are being frustrated. You are being baffled. Your love is not placed in the proper place. Therefore we have to make our choice, "Where I shall place my love?" Then I'll be satisfied. That is replied in the Srimad-Bhagavatam,

Your first, the first installment will be that your heart will be cleansed of all material contamination. Then you'll be situated on the brahma-bhutah stage. Oh, prasannatma! Oh, joyfulness! Without being joyful, you cannot understand what is God. If your mind is disturbed always, you cannot meditate, neither you can understand what is God, what you are. It is impossible. Therefore we have to accept any process which can make me joyful. That is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. We have got... Simply we are not chanting by sentiment. We have got enough literature, philosophy, background. It is not that we are sentimentalist. But this is a fact, that if you simply... You do not require to read all this literature. If you can, it is very good, but if you have no time, simply chant these sixteen words, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Make an experiment. We are not charging anything. We are not cheating you, that "Give me some fifty dollars or twenty dollars. I'll give you some secret mantra." No. It is open. You can take. Everyone can take. Everyone. We are chanting. You can chant with us and practice it, and there is no hard and fast rules and regulation. You can chant anyway, anywhere. Whether you are in the college, whether you're on the street, whether you are sleeping, lying, or whatever, you can chant. Because God has given you this tongue and you can chant. And this Hare Krsna mantra, a dog or cat cannot chant although he has got the tongue. So you have got the facility. By God's mercy you have got this facility to chant the holy name of God. If you think that Krsna is Indian God's name, actually it is not Indian God's name. Krsna never claims that He's Indian or Hindu. Most of you have read Bhagavad-gita. He claims everyone as His son. Not only human societythe animal society, bird society, the beast society, the plant society, the aquatic society, all. Sarva-yonisu. Sarva means all. Yoni, yoni means species of life. Everyone, all living entities, Krsna says. Krsna must be... If He is God, He must claim that, that "The material nature is their mother and I am their father." So Krsna is for everyone. Not that... Don't think that Krsna is for the Indian or for the Hindus. No. Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna. This Krsna is for everyone. For the human being, for the animalseveryone. So if you think that Krsna is belonging to some particular country or religion, then you can chant your own way. If in your religion, in your scripture, there is any God's name, you can chant that also. Our only propaganda is that you increase your love of God. And the simple process is to chant this Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. There is no charge for it. There is no loss on your part. There is no inconvenience on your part. At any moment, at any place. There is no restriction. So why don't you take advantage of this great boon to the human society?

So this Krsna consciousness movement is not any sectarian movement. It is practically postgraduate movement of all religion. Any religion, they have got some idea of God. But here, we are explaining what is God, how great He is, how you can establish your relationship with Him. These things are there. So any religious person, or any person, without being religious, if anyone joins with us in this sankirtana movement, his life will be sublime. And our method is very simple. We place before you to judge and join with us. That is our request.

Thank you very much. (devotees offer obeisances) Any question? Yes?

In the Garga Upanisad it is said, etad viditva ya prayati sa brahmana. Etad aviditva ya prayati sa krpana. Brahmana, brahmana means broadminded, liberal. So one who... Everyone will die. The cats and dogs and human being, everyone will die. But the Garga Upanisad says that if one dies after understanding the science of God, then he is perfect. He is brahmana. His life is broader, mahatma. And if one dies without understanding this, he is krpana. Krpana means miser. Miser means... Suppose if you have got millions of dollars. If you cannot utilize it, if you simply waste it, then you are krpana, miser. You do not know how to spend money. Similarly, we have got this body which is worth..., not millions-trillions and more than that, because we can realize in this life what is our relationship with God, what is God. We can understand. But if we don't do that, simply we waste our time in sense gratification, then we are krpana, miser. We are losing our opportunity. So these things are there. So in whatever way you like, either this evangelistic way or this way or that way, try to understand what is God and what is your relationship with God and try to invoke your dormant love of God. Then your life will be perfect. That is our mission. If you have got your own method, that's all right. You take it. Otherwise we are giving this method, very simple. You take it. Your life will be sublime. That is our request. Yes?