Prabhupada: Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **. We are worshiping the original person, adi-purusam. Original person... As we are all persons, our origin is also a person. We should always understand this. Adi-purusam. The same example. Unless my forefather was a person, how his son, his son, his son—I am the last—we are persons? So the original father, the supreme father, or God, or Krsna, must be a person, not imperson. We should always remember. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **.
So Sukadeva Gosvami is recommending that either you go through this austerity process, brahmacarya, sama, dama, titiksa dhana, satya, sauca, yama, niyama [Bg. 18.42], so many items... Either you go through this process to come to the platform of your spiritual understanding, or kecid, those who are fortunate, kecid kevalaya bhaktya, the same result is open. Sometimes other people, the so-called yogis, jnanis, karmis, or followers of religious, ritualistic ceremonies, they think, "How it is possible that these Hare Krsna people have become so quickly self-realized simply by chanting Hare Krsna, without undergoing so many processes?" That is the gift of Lord Caitanya. Caitanya, Lord Caitanya seeing, or Lord Krsna... Lord Caitanya, Krsna—the same person. Krsna is Supreme Person; Lord Caitanya is the same Supreme Person, but He's teaching us how to approach the Supreme Person. Just like sometimes my disciple is massaging my body, I take his hand and show him: "Do like this." Actually I am not massaging, but I am teaching him. It is not that I am massaging him. Similarly, when Krsna comes as a devotee, Lord Caitanya, He shows the way how to approach Krsna. Krsnaya krsna-caitanya-namne, namo maha-vadanyaya krsna-prema-pradaya te [Cc. Madhya 19.53]. Lord Caitanya was worshiped by Rupa Gosvami as the greatest munificent personality or incarnation because He was distributing krsna-prema, love of Krsna, very easily, so that this system was acceptable even by a child. So easy—by simply chanting and dancing. Here, Sukadeva Gosvami says kecid. Kecid means some fortunate person. It is not for all. For general people, one has to undergo the regular process of austerity, but one who knows, or one who is fortunate to have the mercy of Lord Caitanya and His disciplic succession, such person, kecid, someone...
And in the Bhagavad-gita also it is said, manusyanam sahasresu [Bg. 7.3]. Out of many thousands, hundreds of thousands men, manusyanam,... Especially it is said manusyanam. Manusya means human being. Manusyanam sahasresu. God realization is not meant for the animals or persons who are almost animals, or animals in the shape of human beings. Animals. At the present moment, in the shape of human beings, the population is animals, assembly of animals, because they do not know beyond the animal propensities. The animal propensities... The animal is busy all day. The bird or any beast, rising early in the morning, they are busy: "Where there is some food? Where there is some sex? How to defend?" Then, at night, "How to take shelter and sleep?" They have got their own arrangement. In the morning they know that "In that tree there are some fruits. Let us go there." So they fly. Ahara: eating. As we go to office... In your, this New York City, thousands of people are coming from other islands by the ferry boat, waiting for the bus, going to the office. What is the purpose? The purpose is, "Where is food?" The birds are also going. You have made ferry boat and nice—so many not nice—very nice. It is crowded always. But you have to come. For your bread, you have to go fifty miles, forty miles. But the birds are free to fly from tree to another tree without any bus, without any ferry boat.
So the problem—eating, sleeping, mating—these problems are there amongst the living entities other than human being. Other than human being, they're many. If you take a census of the living entities in different categories, how many human beings are there in this city, how many sparrows are there, how many pigeons are there, how many dogs are there, how many trees are there, how many insects are there—they're all living entities—the number of other-than—human-being will be far, far greater. The votes will be smaller in number. If the municipality, city, or the government said, "Everyone can vote, all living entities," then your vote will be lost, because you are very small in number. Other living entities, they are very great. Even from the holes of your room, many thousands of ants will come. They are also living entities. Why don't you, why do you say that they are not living entities? They are living en... They are also eating; you are also eating. They're also sleeping; you are also sleeping. They're also mating; you are also mating. They're also defending. The small ants, they are defending. They enter into the hole of your room. You do not know where the ants live, but they defend. You cannot capture them.
So these policies—eating, sleeping, mating and defending—they're in all living entities. That is the, mean, the general law for every living entity. So if you are simply engaged in this eating, sleeping, mating and defending, then what is the difference? That is the defect of modern civilization. If you think that "We have very scientifically running on, so many slaughterhouses, eating purposes," so that is not advancement of civilization. The, in that sense, a tiger is better situated. He hasn't got to keep a slaughterhouse. By nature, he has got nails and jaws: immediately attack and finish. So these things are not advancement of civilization. Real civilization is how to understand your relationship with God, the supreme father. That is real civilization. You may learn it through any process. It doesn't matter. You learn your relationship with the supreme father through this Christianity. That's all right. Or through Vedic process. That's all right. Or Muhammadan, Koran process, that's all right. But you learn it. Our Krsna consciousness movement is not that we are out to make Christians Hindus, or Hindus Christian, or Muhammadan... No. Our propaganda is not that. Our propaganda is that "You are human being. Your business is to understand your relationship with God." That's all. You learn it. Anywhere you learn it, but you learn it. Otherwise you are simply wasting your time by animal propensities.
So you are nobody's enemy; you are everyone's friend, because you are showing the right way. Try to love Krsna, or God. That's all. If you have got any own process, do it. Otherwise, please come to us. Learn it. Why one should grudge? Nicad apy uttamam stri-ratnam duskulad api. Canakya Pandita says that you have to catch up the right thing from any source. It doesn't matter. He gives example: visad api amrtam grahyam. If there is a pitcher of poison, but if there is some nectarine over the pitcher, you catch it, take it out. Don't take the poison, but take the nectarine. Amedhyad api kancana. If you find that in a filthy place there is some gold, take it out. You are not to take the filthy stool, but you take the gold. Nicad apy uttamam vidyam. Nica. According to Vedic system, education has to be taken from high class, intellectual person like the brahmanas. But if you find that a person who is not a brahmana—he's less than a brahmana, or even lower caste—but if he has got some nice education, just accept him as your teacher and learn. Not that "Because he's lowborn or not brahmana, I shall not take the education from him." The point is that you have to take the education. And stri-ratnam duskulad api. In India still the marriage takes place in equal family. The boy and the girl must be equally rich, equally cultured, equally educated. Equality. They find out. Even by horoscope, they test whether their astronomical calculations are also equal, so that after marriage they may not be unhappy. So many things, they are taken care of by the parents, and the marriage takes place. It is not that in youthful age the boy and girl mixes and... No. There are so many. But these things are now gone. So the point is that they were calculating especially to accept a girl from a family, they must be equal. But Canakya Pandita says that if a girl is well qualified, stri-ratna... Stri-ratna means... Ratna means jewel. If a girl is just like jewel, very qualified, even she is born in low family, accept her. Nicad apy uttamam vidyam stri-ratnam duskulad api. Duskulad api means born of low family. Never mind. Don't care for her parentage. If she's qualified, accept her. There are many instances. Similarly, if you are serious about understanding God, don't consider that "I am Christian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "Why shall I go this? Why shall I hear from Swamiji?" If you are serious about understanding God, to love God, then here is the nicest process. That is practical. There is no question of grudging, "Oh, why shall I go there? They are following some Hindu, Vedic scripture." No. There is no question of Vedic scripture. We, our business is how to love God. That's all. Just like many students come here to take higher education. As there is no consideration that "Why shall I go to America or Germany? They are different people. Oh, I don't take higher education." No. Everyone goes. Similarly, if there is nice process to understand God, to approach God, you should take it. Don't be grudging. Take it. You'll be benefited. Kevalaya bhaktya.
So kecid. Not all. Someone who is intelligent, bhagavan, fortunate, they take to this process, kevalaya bhaktya. Our process is kevalaya bhaktya. Kevalaya means pure devotional service. No other adulteration or amalgamation. No. Simply to serve Krsna. This is the program. From early morning at four o'clock til night, ten a.m., p.m., they are all engaged in Krsna's service. This is called kevalaya. They have no other business. So this process is recommended for all. That is the perfection of all religious process. Sa vai pumsam paro dharma yato bhaktir adhoksaje [SB 1.2.6]. That is first-class religion. Sa vai pumsam paro dharma. Paro means transcendental. There are two things: para and apara, superior and inferior, material and transcendental. There are material dharmas, religious process. For some material gain, generally, people go to church, go to temple, some material gain. Just like in your church you pray, "God, give us our daily bread." Your daily bread is a material gain. So these gain is already settled up. You'll get your bread. Just like the birds or beast, they are getting their bread without going to the church. They do not go to the church for asking God, "Give us our daily bread." The bread is there in the tree. They go and take as much bread as they like. Similarly, your bread is also settled up, either you go to the church or do not go to the church. That is not a problem. Nobody is dying on the street out of starvation. When you find somebody is lying dead on the footpath, the cause is some might have shot him down or by some other means he's killed. But you no, you'll not find either a bird or a beast or an ant or human being died of starvation. Never. The food is already there. Don't bother. If you have to bother, if you have to tax your brain, just do it for Krsna, for God. That is proper utilization of your time. Bread is already there. There is no scarcity of bread in the kingdom of God. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah [SB 1.5.18]. The Bhagavata says one should try for that thing which is not available by traveling all over the universe. What is that? This is kevalaya bhaktya, simple pure devotion. That is wanting. Nothing is scarcity. Everything is complete by the grace of God for everyone. Just like even in jail the government supplies sufficient food. But why people come into the jail? Because they are not honest. Dishonest, criminal. Food is outside jail, inside jail. But what is the difference outside and inside? Inside jail, the men are criminals. Outside jail, they are not criminals; they are lawful. Similarly there is spiritual world and material world, and everywhere God is providing food, either in the spiritual world or material world, for everyone. Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. The Vedas says that one person, Supreme Person, is supplying food to this many living entities, bahunam. Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. So for fulfillment of your material desires, you need not go to God. That is, that arrangement is already there.
But because we are foolish, we think... Not only think. Sometimes we are put into difficulty by the laws of nature, starvation. Just like if you eat more and then next two days you cannot eat; you have to starve. Similarly the difficulty in this material world is that we take more than what we need; therefore we have created problems. Otherwise there is sufficient supply from God's side. There is no scarcity, no problem. We have created problems. Just like in your country sometimes I have heard that you throw away grains, thousands of tons of grains, in the water. That means you have enough food. But there are countries who are starving. So it could be adjusted by sending this food. Instead of throwing in the water, they could be sent to the starving countries. But people will not do that. The point is from God's arrangement, there is enough food within this planet. There is enough land, enough food-producing prospect. But we have arranged in such a way that in one part the people are suffering, and one part, they are throwing the grains in the water. This is not God's arrangement. This is our arrangement. Therefore the problems are created by men. Now the so-called politician, they create problems. Otherwise, by nature's ways, by God's way, everything is complete.
purnam idam purnam adah
purnat purnam udacyate
purnasya purnam adaya
purnam eva avasisyate
This is Vedic song. God is complete. His creation is complete. His arrangement is complete. Simply we are creating disturbance. Therefore the real education to stop this disturbance is to make people Krsna conscious, God conscious. Then all problems will be solved. Otherwise, by passing resolution in the United Nations it is not possible.
You do not know how to solve the problems. That is being discussed. Here Sukadeva Gosvami, in right place, he says kevalaya bhaktya. Simply by pure devotional service, kevalaya, only. Kecid kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva-parayanah. And who can do, kecid, that kecid, that person, who is that person? That is not ordinary person. That is vasudeva-parayanah, one who is devotee to Lord Krsna. Vasudeva means Krsna. Vasudeva, not others, not demigod parayanah. Vasudeva-parayanah. Demigod parayanah, it cannot do that. Therefore it is particularly mentioned, vasudeva-parayanah: whose business is only to satisfy Lord Vasudeva, or Krsna. Such person. They can solve all the problems simply by taking to pure unalloyed devotional service. Kevalaya bhaktya. Agham dhunvanti. We create trouble for our sinful activities. Just like I have already explained: there is enough food, but I gather more food, I stock it to make business so that when there is less supply the price will increase, and I shall sell at that time. This is my process. This is going on as economic development. There is grain. By God's arrangement, sufficient grain. But I am a man. I have got some influence. I have got some money, and I go to the bank: "Sir, I want to purchase one hundred thousand, millions of dollars' worth of wheat. So I have got ten thousand dollars. Please give me loan." Bank gives him loan. He purchases. He stocks it somewhere. Nobody knows. The price is increased. There is scarcity. Actually there is no scarcity, but it is the so-called economic law, man-made law, that creates scarcity. From God's side, there is no scarcity. Sufficient supply—more than what you need. But how this man can be checked from this evil propensity, to gather money and stock unnecessarily? In India, in 1942, they created artificial famine by this process. Big men, they collected rice. The rice was selling at six rupees per mound. All of a sudden, within a week, it came to fifty rupees per mound. I have seen it. No rice was available in the market. People were hungry. They were purchasing. But the beauty is one American gentleman was present at that time. He remarked that "People are starving in this way. In our country, there would have been revolution." Yes. But the people of India are so trained that in spite of creating this artificial famine, they did not commit any theft, stealing others' property. They died peacefully. Of course, this is a single instance. But the thing is that problems are not created by God. They are created by us. Just like in the... One, my German Godbrother, he said that during the First World War... Perhaps some of you know. The politicians created war and there was war. So people went to church. People means all women, because men were all in the active field. So they prayed, "My brother may come back. My husband may come back. My son may come back." But nobody came back, and they all became atheists: "Oh, there is no God." But the thing is that God does not say that "You create war, create problem and for solution of the problem you come to Me." No, you have created your problems; you have to take the result.
But still, one who takes to the shelter of Krsna, or God, his problem are solved. That's a fact. Here it is stated, kecid kevalaya bhaktya. Somebody. Who? Vasudeva-parayanah. Those who are advanced in Krsna consciousness. Vasudeva means Krsna. Narayana parayana, vasudeva-parayanah, these words are there in the Vedic language. In another place you'll find,
If you apply your devotional service to Vasudeva, vasudeve bhagavati... Vasudeva is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavati. Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah [SB 1.2.7]. If you apply, if you engage yourself in devotional service to Vasudeva, then the result will be janayaty asu. Asu means very soon, without delay; janayaty, generated. Janayaty asu vairagyam. Vairagyam means knowledge by which one becomes detached from this material allurement. That is called vairagya. Simply by employing yourself in devotional service you get the highest knowledge. That is vairagya. Without vairagyam... Jnanam ca. Jnana and vairagya. Jnana means knowledge, and vairagya means detachment. This is required in this human form of life. As soon as you get right knowledge, that "I am spirit soul. I am not anything of this material world. Somehow or other I have been in contact with this material world, and because I have desired to enjoy this material world in different capacities, therefore I am transmigrating from one type of body to another type, and I do now know since when this system began. But is still going on," this is called knowledge. To understand one's constitutional position and how he's suffering in this material world, that is called knowledge. Now that perfection of knowledge comes when one becomes vasudeva-parayanah.
Therefore in Bhagavad-gita it is said, bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. After many, many births, sufferings and cultivation of knowledge, when one comes to the right point, at that time he becomes vasudeva parayanah. Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma su-durlabhah. One who understands "Vasudeva is everything; He is the cause of everything," sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1], sa mahatma su-durlabhah, that kind of mahatma... You were asking yesterday about some mahatma's instruction. But we are talking of this mahatma who is vasudeva-parayanah. He is perfect mahatma. So the mahatma, as it is said... It is kevalaya bhaktya, kecid kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva-parayanah. Similarly, vasudeva parayanah means vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma su-durlabhah [Bg. 7.19]. One who has known perfectly well that Krsna, Vasudeva, is the source of everything, sa mahatma su-durlabhah, such kind of mahatma is very rare. You can find out so-called mahatmas with great beard, mustaches and... But that is different mahatma. That is not mahatma. They are sometimes duratma, because they want to encroach on the rightful position of Krsna. They want to become one with Krsna. Suppose if there is servant in your office, and if he tries to occupy your seat, would you like him, if you understand that your, "This servant is trying to occupy my seat"? Similarly, any living entity who is trying to become God, he's not very much liked by God. He cannot become God, but this very endeavor, to become God, to become a competitor of God, is not very much liked. That person is stated in the Bhagavad-gita as dvisatah, envious. Tan aham dvisatah kruran ksipamy ajasram andha yonisu [Bg. 16.19]. Such persons, envious persons, are put into the hellish condition of life. They are envious of God's position. They want to occupy high position in this material world, and when they are frustrated, they think "Now I shall occupy the position of God." But that will be also frustrated. Nobody can become God. God is God, and living entity's living entity. He's supreme, He's infinite; we are infinitesimal. Our position is to serve God. That is our perfect position. That will make us happy. Not otherwise. Not by imitating how to become God. That is impossible. How you can become God? Yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-vilaja jagad-anda-nathah [Bs. 5.48]. There are innumerable universes, and within the breathing period of Maha-Visnu so many universes are coming out by exhaling. And when He inhales, so many universes are dissolved within His body. So how we can become God? God is not so cheap.
Therefore sa mahatma su-durlabhah, on who is actually advanced in knowledge, mahatma, who has accepted Vasudeva, Krsna, as the Supreme... Here it is also said that kecid kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva-parayanah, agham dhunvanti. They exterminate all kinds of resultant reaction of sinful activity. Agham dhunvanti. How it is? Now Krsna, Vasudeva, personally says also that "You surrender unto Me." Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. "You give up everything, all other occupation. You simply surrender unto Me." Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo. So this agham dhunvanti, He destroys all kinds of resultant activities of sinful life. Not he does; it is done by Krsna. He says, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo: "I'll help you. I will release you from all kinds of reaction. You simply surrender." Therefore vasudeva-parayanah, one who is devotee, and simply engaged in devotional service, agham dhunvanti, immediately He causes disappearance of all sinful action. How? The example is given: agham dhunvanti kartsnyena, wholesale, immediately. How? Niharam iva bhaskarah. Just like fog is immediately, I mean to say, moved, simply by sunrise. Sunrise. Just like this is night, darkness. In the morning, as soon as there will be sunrise, there will be no more darkness. Immediately all thousands and millions of miles of darkness immediately moved. So try to make Krsna surya, the sun, Krsna, rise in your heart, and everything will be solved.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Devotee: May I ask a question? When you were speaking, you started to ask..., you started to check all the people who are hoarding those grains, that economic procedure to produce famine. What is the way to check them? Is to keep them...?
Prabhupada: To make them Krsna conscious. If he knows that "These grains belongs to Krsna. Why I am throwing it? There are so many living entities. They are part and parcel of Krsna. Let me distribute," that is Krsna consciousness. But he is thinking, "It is mine. These grains are mine. I am the proprietor." This is due to lack of Krsna consciousness. If he knows that everything belongs to Krsna, then he'll not misuse it. What is your question?
Devotee: If I have got a lot of foodstuffs, Srila Prabhupada, I wish to distribute, but I'm afraid it will go bad, how could I distribute very quickly, very quickly? I want to distribute it all. I've gotten a lot of foodstuffs. I want to give it up. Can I offer...
Prabhupada: You don't find? You don't find men to distribute...
Devotee: Sometimes I get crates of lettuce. Could I offer a whole crate at once, and give a crate away to another Salvation Army, that they can give it away?
Prabhupada: That is all right. Some way or other it should be distributed. It should not be wasted. Yes?
Guest: How do you feel about... Rabindranath Tagore?
Guest: How do you feel about Rabindranath Tagore, the Indian poet, writer?
Prabhupada: I don't follow.
Prabhupada: (laughs) So you want my right answer? The answer is that anyone who has no Krsna consciousness, he has no good qualification. Or he's a fool, in simple word. So we have to test whether one has got Krsna consciousness or God consciousness. If one has no God consciousness, then according to Bhagavata: harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-guna [SB 5.18.12]. Those who are not Krsna conscious, they cannot have any good qualification. Why? Manorathena asato dhavato bahih. Because they are, they have no God consciousness means they do not know what is God; therefore their consciousness is either on the bodily platform or mental platform or intellectual platform. God consciousness is on the spiritual platform. So those who are in the bodily platform, they're trying to satisfy the senses. And those who are on the mental platform, they're writing poetries and philosophical speculation to satisfy the mind. Similarly, there is intellectual platform. But soul is above intellect.
indriyani parany ahur
indriyebhyah param manah
manasas tu para buddhir
buddhes tu ya sah eva parah
In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that first of all you have got bodily conception: "I am this body." Generally people are in bodily concept of life. Therefore body means the senses. They want to satisfy the senses. And then mental platform, they are satisfying the mind by philosophical speculation or some poetry. So Rabindra..., Rabindranath Tagore, he belongs to the mental platform. So one has to transcend the bodily platform, mental platform, intellectual platform and come to the simple spiritual platform. That is kevalaya. Kevalaya means simply, without any adulteration of bodily, mental and intellectual activities. That is pure devotional service. So Rabindranath Tagore belonged to the mental platform—a little bit higher than persons who are on the bodily platform. But perfection of life comes when one comes to the spiritual platform. That we are giving directly, Krsna. Immediately. That is the difference between Rabindranath Tagore and our activities.
Thank you. (end)
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