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Prabhupada: So this is the fourth verse of the subject matter, the confidential and the king of knowledge, to understand God. This is the subject matter. So yesterday we discussed that
There are two ways. One destination is to go back to home, back to Godhead. Another destination is to be involved in the cycle of birth and death. So this human form of life is the junction to decide where you make your way. You are going to back to home, back to Godhead, or again you are going back to the cycle of birth and death, mrtyu-samsara-vartmani? Vartmani means path. That you have to decide in this human form of life because you are not animal. Animal, they have no intelligence. Their first duty is where to get money, or not money, food. Money is required for purchasing food, but the animals, they do not know that food can be purchased. They are searching after food. But we are civilized; we are searching after money. Money is required for purchasing food. Why don't you produce food directly? That is intelligence. You are getting money, very good. What is that money? A paper. You are being cheated. It is written there, "hundred dollars." But what is that hundred dollars? It is cheap of..., piece of paper only. But because we are so fool, we are accepting a piece of paper, hundred dollars, and the struggle for existence for a piece of paper. Why don't you be intelligent"Why shall I take the piece of paper? Give me food"? But that intelligence you have lost. Therefore my Guru Maharaja used to say the present human society is combination of cheaters and cheated, that's all. No intelligent person. Formerly money was gold and silver coins. It had some value. But what is the present currency? Simply piece of paper. Bunch of papers. During the last war the government failed in Germany, and these bunch of papers were thrown in the street. Nobody was caring. Nobody was caring.
So our civilization is based on that way. You require food. That's fact. Therefore Krsna says, annad bhavanti bhutani [Bg. 3.14]. You produce your food. Anywhere you can produce your food. The land is enough land. In Australia you have got enough land. In Africa you have enough land, uncultivated. No. They'll not produce food. They will produce coffee and tea and slaughter animals. This is their business. I understand that in your country animals are slaughtered and exported for trade. Why export? You produce your own food and be satisfied. Why you are after that piece of hundred dollars paper? Produce your own food and eat sumptuously, be healthy and chant Hare Krsna. This is civilization. This is civilization.
So therefore Krsna said that "One who does not take care of My instruction," asraddadhanah, "no faith..." Asraddadhanah purusah [Bg. 9.3]. Purusa means any man, any human being, living being, but a human being because otherwise who will hear Krsna? The cats and dogs will not hear. That is not possible. They have no capacity. But you are all human being. Either you are Australian or Indian or American or..., you can hear Bhagavad-gita. There is no doubt about it. It is a question of explaining in your language. So we are trying to do that. The Bhagavad-gita, the message of Bhagavad-gita, is not sectarian. Don't take it like that. It is science how to make the whole human society peaceful and happy. It doesn't matter whether you are Australian, American, Indian, or African. And practically we seewe have got branches all over the world. Those who have taken to Krsna consciousness, they are happy. So take it very seriously. Don't neglect it, that "It is a sectarian religion of the Hindus or..." No. Krsna is not for the Hindus.
Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that sarva-yonisu kaunteya sambhavanti murtayo yah [Bg. 14.4]. In every forms of life, as many living entities are there... I have explained, there are different forms of life. Even within the water there are 900,000 forms of life. This is Vedic knowledge. You can take directly knowledge. You can understand. You do not require to dive into the water and make study, aquatic research work. You take the knowledge from the Vedic literature. You immediately understand that there are 900,000 species of life. This is different forms. The living entity, soul, is everywhere. But according to his karma... Just like nowadays people are very fond of diving within the water and swim. This has become a fashion. So next life they are going to become fish. Yes. Because yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg. 8.6]. If you at the time of death, if you think of that, how to swim very nicely within the water, that means next life nature will give you a fish life. You get it. That is God's mercy. Why you artificially try to become a fish? You become actually fish. That is nature's gift. So you'll get. Yam yam vapi smaran. This is stated in the Bhagavad... Because whatever we practice in our life, so that concept of life, that imagination, continues.
Just like you dream. What do you dream? Whatever you think always, you dream like that. It is mental activities. So those who are trying to become fishlike, nature offers him a actual body of fish. That is transmigration of the soul. We are desiring different types of desires and we are getting a body. This is nature's law. Just like you infect some type of contagious disease. You suffer from that disease. Nature's way. It will be automatically manufactured. That is the disease. Similarly, the body will be automatically manufactured. This is the nature's law. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. You are under the control of the material nature and if you are manufacturing different ideas, nature will give you the facility to have such body. That is called transmigration of the soul. Therefore we find so many varieties of forms of life within the water, on the land, so many plants, so many varieties of trees, so many varieties of insect, so many varieties of birds, beast, and then human life, then civilized life.
So in this way, by the process of evolution, we come to this point of human form of life. And if you are actually civilized, then take advantage of the instruction of Krsna and make your choice, whether you are going back to home, back to Godhead, or again in the cycle of birth and death. This is the point. So if we accept the instruction given by Krsna with faith, then our life are successful. And why you should not take? It is not very difficult. And if we take Krsna's instruction... He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is speaking everything which is correct. If you take instruction from others... Others means those have no connection with God, or Krsna. They cannot give you correct information because they are conditioned under the laws of nature. The defect is, ordinary person will commit mistake, will be illusioned, his senses are imperfect, and he has the tendency to cheat. This is ordinary living being. And those who are followers of Krsna or Krsna Himself, they have no such defect. Whatever they say, that is correct. So if we take correct knowledge, then our life is successful. And if we want to be cheated, then there are many cheaters. They'll cheat you. So make your choice, which way you shall go, whether you shall go back to home, back to Godhead, or again go to the cycle of birth and death. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19].
That is our practical experience. We are changing our body. In the mother's womb we were very small. In the first night after sex the two seminas, they mix up and then it becomes a form of a pea. Within that pea form, substance, the living entity takes shelter and gradually grows. Then there are nine holes, and then the hands and legs and everything becomes complete, and when, if he can sustain, then nature's law push him by the air, and he comes out of the mother's womb, and then again grows in different types of bodies and then he becomes old man. Then, when the body is no more usable, then the body is finished and the soul again enters another mother's body. This is called transmigration of the soul. This is going on, but this is not very happy thing. Today you may have Australian body or American body or Indian body, but when this body is finished, what is the next body you are going to get? You must have information. You are human being. But that education is not there. There is no education throughout the whole world how the soul is being transmigrated from one body to another, what body we are going to get next. This will be happy or distressful?
If we get a nice body, human form or demigod, we may live very happily. Not happily, at least better than the animals. But if we get the body of an animal, then just imagine what is the suffering. If you get the body of a tree, now just imagine. A tree is standing in the open atmosphere. There is snowfall, there is scorching heat, but it has no power to move an inch. That is also life. And you can move from here to there. You have facility. So now, in the human form of life, you have got all facilities given by God. You take advantage of it. Don't put yourself again in the laws of nature and be liberated. Go back to home, back to Godhead.
This is the Krsna consciousness movement. It is the most topmost humanitarian activities, to give them information that in this life... What we are informing? The same thing as Krsna is, Krsna is informing. We don't manufacture any ideas. That is not our business. Therefore we present this Bhagavad-gita as it is. As it is. We don't change it. Why we shall change? We are not greater authority than Krsna. Whatever Krsna has said, that is perfect. Why shall I change it? There are many rascals. They change the meaning, the interpretation, but that is misleading. You cannot change. Everything is very clear. Just like you do not require a lamp to show the sun. The sunshine itself is quite bright to see sun. If body says, "I have brought lamp. You can see," this is nonsense. So Bhagavad-gita is so perfectly illuminated that anyone can understand without any very advanced knowledge, simple knowledge.
Just like this transmigration of the soul. How simply it is, people cannot understand it, but Krsna is explaining this transmigration of the soul so nicely.
dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13] That Krsna says that asmin dehe: "In this body there is the proprietor of the body, soul. And because the proprietor of the body is there, therefore body is changing different forms." How? Now, just like from babyhood to childhood, childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, youthhood to middle-aged, then old man. And when the body is no longer durable, tatha dehantara-praptih. As you have come through so many bodies, so when the body is no more usable, you get another.
So where is the difficulty to understand? Plain thing. Plain thing. But we are stubborn. We do not wish to understand. This is not a sectarian; this is a science. If a child becomes a boy, is that sectarian? The Hindu child becomes a boy, Hindu boy, and the Christian child becomes a Christian. That is outward, Hindu, Muslim, Christian. But within this body... I am Hindu or Christian because I have got this body from the Christian father-mother, Hindu father-mother. But that is body. I am not this body. Therefore we have to understand first that "I am not this body. Therefore I am not Hindu, not Muslim, not Christian, not black, not white. I am pure spirit soul." Aham brahmasmi.
This is the first basic knowledge. This is not sectarian. This is a basic knowledge, you believe or not believe. If a child says, "No, no, I don't believe that I shall become a boy," But you believe or..., you must have to become a boy. A boy says, "No, no, I shall not become a young man." No no, you must have to. That is nature's law. Similarly, if one says, "No, no, this body finished, I will not get any body," no, no, no, you have to get it. Tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13]. You must have to get. Now make your choice, which kind of body you shall get. That is intelligence. That is intelligence. So that intelligence is also described in the Bhagavad-gita that yanti deva-vrata devan pitrn yanti pitr-vratah [Bg. 9.25]. In this way last line is mad-yajino 'pi yanti mam. So if you like, you can go back to home; otherwise, as Krsna says here, asraddadhanah purusah. Asraddadhanah purusa dharmasyasya parantapa [Bg. 9.3]. Dharma, this process, if one does not believe, then he is sure to go again to the cycle of birth and death. Aprapya mam. He is given this offer, the opportunity.
Just like this Krsna conscious movement is giving opportunity that you can go back to home, back to Godhead, but if we don't take this opportunity, if we manufacture our own way of life, then the... you cannot manufacture because the laws of nature is above you. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah, ahankara-vimudhatma [Bg. 3.27]. If by false prestige or false egotism you try to manufacture some ways and means for your happiness, that will never be possible because above you the strong nature's law is there. Nature's law will act in its own way. It will not allow to change it by your so-called devices and fertile brain. That is not possible. Ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. It is simply by false prestige he is thinking that "I can chalk out my own way of life." No. That is not possible. You are completely under the laws of nature, and whatever nature will do, you'll have to accept. Next life, if nature, by nature, he gives you better body, demigod's body, you'll have to accept. And if the nature offers you a dog's body you have to accept it. You cannot change it. That is not possible.
So we must be very careful. Krsna says very easy, that one can go back to home, back to Godhead very easily. How?
Krsna says, "I appear in this material world. I appear just like ordinary child appears. I take birth." Actually Krsna does not take birth. If you read Bhagavata, you will see how He appeared. Anyway, even if you take Him that He appeared as the son of Vasudeva or Mother Yasoda... You can say that He played just like a child in the hands of Mother Yasoda. So that's all right. But you try to understand what kind of, this child display or lila of Krsna in front of Mother Yasoda. That is required. Janma karma me divyam [Bg. 4.9]. That is all divine, transcendental. So if we understand that "God has become a child" or "These people, accepting a child of certain woman whose name is Yasoda as God," then you are mistaken. And if you understand that God has come as a child of this great devotee, Mother Yasoda, just to fulfill her desire. Because Mother Yasoda wanted God as her son, so God, being very much pleased on this devotee, He has appeared as a son of Mother Yasoda. Two understanding. If you take Krsna that "Here is a child born in a vaisya family of Mother Yasoda, Nanda Maharaja, and these people are accepting Him as God," then you are mistaken.
Therefore Krsna says, janma karma ca me divyam [Bg. 4.9]. It is transcendental, divine. Therefore there are so many sastras to understand Krsna. Otherwise, if Krsna is ordinary child, then why there are so many books? There is no need of so many books to understand Krsna. Just to understand Him that He is not ordinary child; He is God Himself. Otherwise who is writing so many books for understanding a ordinary child? Therefore Krsna says that "If one understands Me," tattvatahtattvatah means in fact, in truth"then he becomes so qualified that after..." We have to give up this body, any circumstances. That's a fact. Then such person who has become fully aware of Krsna, such person, tyaktva deham, giving up this body, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9], he does not take any more birth with another material body.
Then what happens? Now, mam eti: "He comes to Me." That means he gets his original spiritual body. So if we simply try to understand. It is not very difficult. Everything is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. You try to understand Krsna; then your life is successful. After giving up this body there is no more material body. You get spiritual body, and you enter in the spiritual world and dance with Krsna, play with Krsna, talk with Krsna, live happily, blissful life. This is instruction. This is the propaganda we are making. Why we are writing so many books? We have already about eighty-two books simply on the subject matter of Krsna, to understand Krsna. "To understand Krsna, oh, we can read books and we can understand." No, it is not so easy. Therefore Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that
To understand Krsna in truth, little difficult because Krsna says, "Out of many millions of person, one is interested to make his life perfect." Nobody is interested. Everyone is interested to live like animal, eat, drink, be merry and enjoy sex, and die like cats and dogs. That's all. This, so far, they know. But they do not know that we can make our life perfect hereno more death, no more birth, no more old age, no more disease. Who is interested? They think that this is story. No, it is fact. If you want to make your life so perfect, not to go through this process of birth, death, old age and disease, you can do that. There is process. But if we neglect, that is our business. But the sastra, the knowledge, the Vedas, the big, big acaryas, Krsna, His incarnation, His devoteesthey are simply trying to give you this knowledge that you can make your life perfectno more death, no more birth, no more old age, no more disease. That you can make. That is possible.
Therefore sastra says that gurur na sa syaj janani na sa syat pita na sa syat, in this way, that na mocayed yah samupeta-mrtyum. This is the perfect knowledge, perfection of life. Samupeta-mrtyum. We have got a situation in this material world, repetition of birth, death, old age and disease. But sastra says, "One should not become a guru, one should not become a father, one should not become a mother, one should not become a relative, one should not become a friend," in this way, he says, "if one cannot give relief to his friend or son or disciple, relief from the impending birth, death, old age, and disease." This is real contraceptive method. If you think that "If a child is born, I shall educate him in such a way that this birth will be his last birth. Next he is going to back to home, back to Godhead," then produce a child. Otherwise don't produce. This is spiritual contraceptive. This is real father and mother. Otherwise a dog is also becoming a father. The such kind of father-becoming is not recommended in the Vedic civilization. Now, just become a real father to give the real benefit to the son. Then you become a father.
This is called varnasrama-dharma, not to become... It is said in a Bengali poem, janame janame sabe pita-mata paya: "In every life everyone gets a father and mother." Because without father and mother there is no question of birth. Janame janame sabe pita-mata paya, krsna guru nahi mile bhaja hu diya (?): "But you cannot get the proper guidance, guru and Krsna, in every life. You can get father-mother in every life, but you cannot get Krsna and guru in every life." So we have got this chance this life, how to get Krsna, how to get guru. We have got intelligence. We should not miss this point. This is Krsna consciousness movement. Take advantage of this movement. This is not a manufactured thing. It is authorized, spoken by Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and accepted by big, big acaryas from very old time, Naradadeva, Vyasadeva, Asita. Then, in the recent years, Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Nimbarka, and then Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Everyone has accepted this Vedic literature, and they have preached. Formerly they were preaching within India. Now, by Krsna's grace, the preaching is going on all over the world. Take advantage of it. Make your life perfect. This is Krsna consciousness movement.
So if we take, accept this, that "Whatever Krsna is saying, it is perfect," this is called sraddadhanah, faith. Without faith you cannot make any progress. In every action you must have faith. Just like if you go to a barber, you spread your neck like this and he is with a razor. He can immediately cut your throat. But because you have got faith"No, this barber is honest. He'll not cut my throat. He'll cleanly shave..." So faith is required in every step. Without faith you cannot make step. Simply you have to find out the person that "He is worthy of keeping my faith." Here is Krsna. He is accepted worthy of accepting His instruction. So take it very seriously. The Bhagavad-gita is there. Then your life is successful.
So what Krsna says, next verse? First of all He says,
maya tatam idam sarvam
jagad avyakta-murtina mat-sthani sarva-bhutani na caham tesv avasthitah [Bg. 9.4] First of all in the beginning of the instruction one has to learn what he is, in the Second Chapter. Now, this is Ninth Chapter, far away. If we read chapter after chapter very nicely, then we come gradually to the perfection of knowledge. Now, here Krsna says, maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina. Everything, whatever you see, material or spiritual, that is Krsna. Sarvam means everything. So Krsna said that "I am spread all over the universe." Or, if you expand more, "That is my avyakta, nonmanifested form." Nonmanifested form.
The example is given just like the sunshine. What is the sunshine? The sunshine is illumination and the heat also, heat and light, sunshine. Now if you go to the sun planet, then what is there? Heat and light. And if you enter into the sun planet and see the person, the supreme personality within the sun... There is a supreme person. We do not know, but we understand from Bhagavad-gita that Krsna says, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. He talked with the sun-god, so there is sun-god. There is god, or the president, you may say, president of the planet. And if the president is there, the government is there. There are living entities. In everywhere there are living entities. Don't think that you are simply here in this planet, and there is no living entity. It is wrong conception, foolish conception. So the president of the sun planet, He is the original person from where this sunshine and heat is coming. He is the person. And the population there, they are made so that their bodily effulgence is the heat and light, and that is being manifested in the sun globe.
So if we accept Krsna's authority, then we can understand the sun globe, which the scientists are trying to understand but they have failed. But if we believe the words of Krsna, then from here you can study what is the sun globe. This is a fact. You cannot imagine. You are tiny. You cannot become Dr. Frog within the well and try to understand Atlantic Ocean. That is not possible. Here the defect is, one is a small frog in the well and he is trying to understand the Atlantic Ocean. Three feet water. His jurisdiction is three feet water, and he is trying to understand Atlantic Ocean. That is the defect. For Atlantic Ocean you have to understand one has seen the Atlantic Ocean. Then you can understand. Therefore Bhagavad-gita recommends,
Tattva-darsi, one has seen the truth. So here you have no difficulty. Krsna is the Supreme Person. He knows everything. You take the information, knowledge, from Krsna. Then your life will be successful. That is the propaganda of this Krsna consciousness movement. Thank you very much. [break]
Gurukrpa: ...His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada, any question, you can raise your hand.
Guest (1) (man): What is the highest devotion, the highest bhakti, please?
Prabhupada: To love Krsna. If you become expert how to love Krsna... The idea of loving is not unknown to you. You love somebody. You love your wife. You love your children. You love your country. You love your society. There are so many loving aspect. But when you love Krsna, then your life is perfect. That we have to...
That is the perfection of life, perfection of religious life, if one learns how to love Krsna and without any motive, ahaituki. Just like here in this world there is no love because within this so-called love there is a motive. I love a beautiful girl because she is beautiful. A girl loves a man because he has got money. So this is the meaning of this material love. But that, not that kind of love. Here there is a motive. So ahaituki, without any motive, apratihata, without being debtor, without any obstacle. Love of God cannot be checked by any material impediments. You cannot say that "I am very poor. Oh, how can I love God?" You cannot say, "I am very rich," or "I am black," "I am white," "I am this," "I am that." No. These material impediments has nothing to do for loving God. In any condition you can love God. Ahaituky aprati..., yayatma suprasidati. And if you attain that stage, then you become completely happy. Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace: [Cc. Madhya 22.42] "I have no more want." That is perfection of life. And so long you'll have want...
The karmis, jnanis, yogis, they are in want. The karmis, they simply want material happiness. "I want this, I want this, I want this, I want this." The whole world is rolling. Modern material civilization means to create wants. That is karmi. So they want. They will never be happy. They want this, that, that, that, that, that. There is no end. And jnanis, when they are baffled, they want to become one with God, mukti. And yogis, they want to show some magic, the magical power. So the karmis, jnanis, yogiseveryone is in want. They cannot be happy. And when you come to the position, "My Lord, I do not want anything. Simply I want to serve You. Give me this opportunity," that is perfection.
That is first-class. Hm. Yes.
Guest (2) (man): Does God speak to me, within me, whether I listen or not?
Prabhupada: God will speak just like you are speaking face to face if you are qualified.
Guest (2): Not in terms of words or even sound within me but does...
Prabhupada: Sound is speaking. Speaking is sound. There is no difference. When you speak there is sound.
Guest (2): Is the feeling of God within me whether I...
Prabhupada: God is within and without, both. Not only within. That is... That I was... I want to explain, maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina [Bg. 9.4]. "I am everywhere." God is not only within, but without. But we have to see Him. We must have the eyes to see Him. God is everywhere. Maya tatam idam sarvam. Everywhere. God is everywhere. So we have to qualify ourself how to talk with God, how to see God. Otherwise God is present everywhere.
Guest (3) (girl): How does one surrender to Krsna?
Prabhupada: Surrender to Krsna whatever you possess. What you possess? You possess your body, you possess your mind, and, it may be, you possess a home, wife, children, or husband, children. This is our possession. So when we surrender, "My dear Lord, whatever I have got... I have got this body, I have got little mind, speculation, and some, a home or husband, wife, childreneverything surrendered to You." Manasa deho geho, jo kichu mora. Bhaktivinoda Thakura says. We don't possess much. We possess whatever God has given us, little. So anyway, "Whatever we possess, everything is surrendered to You without and reservation." That is surrender.
Guest (4) (Indian man): This surrender is made or it happens?
Prabhupada: You are already surrendered, but you are surrendered to the police of God. Just like a citizen. He has to surrender. He has to surrender to the police or to the government. If he surrenders to the government, then he hasn't got to the police custody in jail. So instead of surrendering to Krsna, we have surrendered to His maya. And the maya is punishing us.
So if you want to get relief from the punishment of this maya, then you surrender to Krsna. Your position is to surrender, either this side or that side.
Guest (2): What can you do to still two voices inside yourself? One voice tells me that the mystics' view on the world is correct and it has its own logic and it's consistent. And this, when I'm in a meditative mood I can comprehend. But when I walk in the daylight and the illusions are around one, then the other voice talks and says, my so-called logical voice, my daily, logical voice, says, "That a fantasy, a dream you're chasing. You're only putting your logic to it. Maybe it doesn't exist." How can one get over this doubt?
Prabhupada: That means you are surrendering to different people. That is your position.
Guest (2): Sorry, I didn't hear you. Sorry.
Prabhupada: You are surrendering to this boy or that boy, hearing. This is correct or that is correct. But you do not know what is correct. So under the circumstances, you surrender to Krsna; you'll get the correct answer.
Guest (2): Be patient and wait.
Prabhupada: Yes. Because He is the Supreme, there is no cheating; there is no imperfection. Therefore you get the correct answer. You surrender to Krsna.
Guest (5) (young man): Srila Prabhupada, I was told that... When one is surrendering to Krsna, how does he discriminate between being tactful and, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, compromising in his speech?
Prabhupada: To surrender to Krsna is the best tactful and if you surrender, He will give you instruction. Then all tactfulness will be there. Tesam aham.
If you become completely surrendered, devotee of KrsnaHe is within your heartHe will give you right instruction so that every sphere of life you'll be perfect.
Guest (5): Why are people cruel? Why do they persecute other human beings and torture them? How is it they are able to do this?
Prabhupada: Because he is not in his normal condition, under the dictation of maya, he is thinking, "This is my enemy; this is my friend," and he's acting like that. But when he becomes Krsna conscious, then he becomes learned. There is no more enemy. Everyone is friend. Samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param [Bg. 18.54]. That is the highest stage of life. All right. Chant Hare Krsna.
Devotees: Jaya Prabhupada. (end)
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/9/4/melbourne/april/22/1976 Previous: Bhagavad-gita 9.4 -- Calcutta, March 9, 1972 Next: Bhagavad-gita 9.4 -- Melbourne, April 23, 1976
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