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Hari-sauri: ...He has all wealth, all strength, everything that you could possibly ever want. And He's offering to everyone, "So just surrender to Me, and I will take complete charge of you." But people are so foolish that they don't do it. They don't take any notice.

Prabhupada: Why...? Suppose a big man, Rockefeller, says, "You simply surrender to me. I will take charge of you." Immediately one takes up. So why the man does not take Krsna's word?

Hamsaduta: They are envious of Krsna.

Prabhupada: Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam... [Bg 18.66].

Hamsaduta: Envious of Krsna.

Prabhupada: No, no. Envious...

Pusta Krsna: They're ignorant.

Prabhupada: Mean, are such a great fool, they have been described as mudhas. That is perfect word. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante [Bg 7.15]. Duskrtino mudhah, the most sinful rascal, he does not surrender. That is a fact.

Pusta Krsna: So for one who gives up sinful activities, does his sense of God consciousness become awakened?

Prabhupada: Yes, there is chance. Sinful activities means covering intelligence. Just like animals. A tiger is always engaged in sinful activity, but he does not know it is sinful. There are so many animals, they're simply engaged in sinful activities. Therefore they are excused, that "This tiger... His business is to act sinfully." Therefore God has given him place in a jungle: "You live there, and your sinful activities will not be taken into account."

Pusta Krsna: Yesterday this man was finding difficulty discriminating between good and bad.

Prabhupada: Who?

Pusta Krsna: The gentleman who came yesterday.

Prabhupada: [laughs] He is a rascal. He is another rascal. Everyone is like him. Therefore we call everyone rascal.

Gurukrpa: The common philosophy in America is "If it feels good, do it."

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Gurukrpa: "If it feels good, do it." [break]

Prabhupada: ...man is less. He is simply beating drum. [break] ...the reason, nobody can explain?

Pancadravida: That they won't surrender?

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Jayadvaita: They have no confidence that Krsna is there to actually fulfill responsi...

Trivikrama: They say He is imagination.

Mahamsa: Asurim bhavam asritah [Bg 7.15].

Pusta Krsna: Is due to sinful activities?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Pusta Krsna: Sinful activities?

Prabhupada: Duskrtino mudhah. Anyone commits sin, he is a rascal. Ordinarily also. A person kills somebody-that means he is rascal. He is rascal. He does not care for the law. That means rascal. So any sinful man is a rascal. Without being rascal, one cannot commit sin.

Devotee: Last week in Bombay, Srila Prabhupada, an American astronaut that went to the moon, they asked him if he experienced God or he felt some help from God in his trip. And he said, "No, I had no religious experience. God must have gone the other way."

Prabhupada: What is that?

Gurukrpa: Which way was that?

Pusta Krsna: He said that when he...

Devotee: He went to the moon.

Pusta Krsna: When he went up in the space capsule to the moon, he had no religious experience, so he thought that there was no God.

Prabhupada: So space traveling induces a man to accept God?

Pusta Krsna: I think it's a material conception, that God is in the heavens, above the clouds.

Prabhupada: That is a fact.

Pancadravida: According to Bhagavatam, though, these...

Prabhupada: Beyond this material universe, very, very far away.

Hrdayananda: But another astronaut who went, he had religious experience, and after coming back he became missionary.

Prabhupada: That is natural.

Sudama: Another astronaut went insane.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Sudama: And another astronaut went insane, like a madman.

Prabhupada: Hmm. What was the reason?

Sudama: For his insanity? He could not explain.

Jayatirtha: Insanity is also a result of sinful activities.

Pancadravida: Too much passion.

Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? We live in this material world, and we're in so much ignorance that we don't know who it belongs to. Is that due to sinful activities?

Prabhupada: Hmm? What is this?

Pusta Krsna: We live in the material world, and we don't perceive who it actually belongs to-like living in a house, not knowing who the owner is. So is this sense of ignorance due to sinful activities?

Prabhupada: Yes. Suppose if I go to America and if you do not know what is the political constitution of America, how the country is being managed, that is my foolishness. I must know that in America there is a president, the government is like this, the law is like this. Then I am intelligent. And if I do not know anything, if I think everything is automatically going on, then I am foolish rascal. They think like that: "Everything is going on, nature." They cannot explain what is this nature. Even this flower growing, the tree is growing-foolish people say, "This is nature." But intelligent person knows what is the law behind it, acting. That is intelligence and foolish. Nothing can happen. These big, big so-called scientists, they are talking of accidents. That is another rascal. Accidents, why? Why accident? This flower is not growing in this tree, and this flower is not growing in this tree by accident. Why it is not happening? Accidents means that. There is no law. Something happen without any law-that is accident. But we are generally seeing that this flower never grows in this tree and this flower never grows in this tree. Where is accident?

Gurukrpa: It's not accident.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Gurukrpa: It's not accident.

Prabhupada: No, but they say. They have got a big theory, "accident theory."

Madhudvisa: They say that in due course this will evolve, that just as this flower, this tree is giving this flower, this rose tree, so after generations, generations of...

Prabhupada: And we have to believe these rascals, "in future." That is the same post-dated check, that "You take this ten thousand dollars. It will be paid three hundred years after." So I will have to accept that. I am not such a fool.

Madhudvisa: They will say, "You have to look back into history, and you'll see how history will repeat itself in the future."

Prabhupada: What is that history? The rose flower gave birth to lotus flower? Where is that history?

Madhudvisa: This is what they say, that...

Prabhupada: That, that.... Therefore they are rascals.

Madhudvisa: ...at one time that all the vegetation was...

Prabhupada: Therefore they are rascals. Therefore they are rascals. Now they say..., the Darwin rascal says, that from monkey man came. Why the monkeys now do not give men? That is rascaldom, false theory.

Gurukrpa: They say they can make crossbreed.

Prabhupada: That is another thing. You are the cause of this crossbreeding. It is not accident. You are making arrangement; therefore it is. There is cause. It is not accident. There is no accident. [break] ...man promises that "You just surrender to me; I will take care of you, everything," so whether I shall do it or not?

Acyutananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: So why they do not do? Krsna says that "You surrender, and I take care of."

Acyutananda: 'Cause Krsna is not here. We can see the man, and we can see him giving us.

Prabhupada: That means he has no eyes to see. Krsna is everywhere. I say andantara-stham paramanu-caya... [Bs 5.35]. Krsna is everywhere. He is within your heart. But that means you are rascal. You do not know to see Krsna.

Gurukrpa: But that's conditional.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Gurukrpa: If I surrender to the big man, he should give me anything I want.

Prabhupada: Yes, so Krsna says that.

Gurukrpa: But Krsna says, "You cannot do this. You cannot do that." Therefore it is conditional.

Prabhupada: Then there is no surrender.

Acyutananda: Ultimately I know that Krsna takes away everything.

Prabhupada: Then there is no surrender. You do not surrender.

Acyutananda: But I know that Krsna takes away everything from His devotees ultimately, so I don't want to surrender.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is good for... That is good for you. Just like the physician says that "You surrender. You don't eat these things. I'll cure you." Will you accept this?

Yasodanandana: Well, when Krsna will give me His mercy, then I'll surrender.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Yasodanandana: When Krsna will give the mercy, when He wills it, I'll surrender.

Prabhupada: He is already giving you, because without Krsna's mercy you cannot live for a second.

Gurukrpa: So similarly, when He desires I serve Him, I will serve Him. But now He is not desiring.

Madhudvisa: They would say, "We are living and we are not serving Krsna. You are living and you are serving Krsna."

Prabhupada: But he is... That is another foolish question. He said that "You do it." He is not desiring? How foolish that is.

Gurukrpa: But He is not inspiring me to do it.

Prabhupada: What is inspiring? He is directly saying, "You do that." Is not instruction?

Gurukrpa: But He's not inspiring me.

Prabhupada: Just see how fool. He is saying directly, "Do this," and still He is not inspiring. Just see.

Mahamsa: He says that "Only by His mercy I will be able to do it."

Prabhupada: Eh?

Mahamsa: He says, "Only by Krsna's mercy I will be able to surrender to Him." So His mercy is on you, but His mercy has not come to me.

Prabhupada: And if you don't accept the mercy, then whose fault it is? I am giving you mercy: "You take it." And if you do not take it, then it is my fault?

Revatinandana: But I don't want to surrender. I want to be Krsna. I don't want to serve Krsna; I want to be Krsna.

Prabhupada: But that you have tried for millions of lives.

Revatinandana: So I'm a rascal.

Prabhupada: Therefore you are rascal.

Revatinandana: I have so many plans, though. Someday...

Prabhupada: [laughs] Therefore you are rascal. You have tried already. Krsna has given you chances. "You wanted to become this? All right, you become this. You wanted to become this? All right, you become this." So that you have tried, but you have failed, and still, "All right, go on."

Revatinandana: But I am a fool, so I will keep trying. I will not surrender to Krsna.

Jayatirtha: They like to be a fool.

Prabhupada: And...

Gurukrpa: They say, "You Westerners have enjoyed the material life, and we have not. Therefore let us enjoy, and then we will become."

Prabhupada: What is that enjoyment? Is that enjoyment? They are working so hard for ten rupees. Is that enjoyment? The enjoyment is there, "future, future." "At night I shall go to my wife and enjoy"-that is enjoyment. But for that enjoyment he is working so hard. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45]. Everyone is thinking, "I shall enjoy at night," and working hard. That's all. This is enjoyment.

Pancadravida: But why do you blame us for not surrendering when we see that even Krsna's devotees can't surrender to Him? They come to us and ask us for money for these books. Why don't they give them away?

Prabhupada: But Krsna's devotee... When he surrenders, he is devotee. When he does not, he is not devotee; he is trying to become devotee.

Pancadravida: But why do they ask us for money for these books? Why don't they give them away, if they're so surrendered to Krsna?

Prabhupada: Why shall I give you? Why shall I give you?

Gurukrpa: Krsna says He is the proprietor of everything. Why He has to ask me?

Pancadravida: Yes, why is He asking us for money?

Prabhupada: And He is proprietor of your money. Give Him. [laughter] I think our Giriraja played this trick.

Revatinandana: Yes. I have also played the same trick.

Prabhupada: And one boy gave his all money.

Revatinandana: They say it is all one. So I say, "Well, if it is all one, then it doesn't make any difference if you have the money or I have the money, so give it to me." It works. They don't like it very much.

Prabhupada: And you give it. "Your money is my money; my money is my money."

Pancadravida: In your article, though, you said that Dhrtarastra said he was better than the sannyasis because they were coming to him, begging for money. [break]

Prabhupada: "...beg. They help you. You are keeping Krsna's money; you'll be punished. So return it to Krsna; you'll be happy."

Hamsaduta: Voluntary disclosure.

Prabhupada: Yes. Voluntary disclosure. [break] ...abhijanati mam ebhyah paramam...

Pancadravida: Prabhupada, why is it that a devotee falls down? That he wants to surrender to Krsna, and again he falls back to the material world to become a false enjoyer?

Prabhupada: He's more sinful. Yesam anta-gatam papam [Bg 7.28]. He has not yet finished his sinful activities; therefore it takes some time. Neither he surrenders fully. Just like somebody said, "I want to enjoy material world." Just see. That is sinful.

Pusta Krsna: Krsna will protect any living entity who surrenders?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusta Krsna: Even from all sinful reactions.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusta Krsna: Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo [Bg 18.66].

Prabhupada: Yes, if he surrenders actually. He says. He says, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo.

Gurukrpa: That surrender has to be with perfect knowledge, or else it won't be strong enough.

Prabhupada: If he surrenders, the knowledge will be there. That knowledge... It is very psychological. If you surrender... If I surrender to you, I must have some conception that you are very big. That much conception will help you, not more than this. Simply accept that Krsna is the Supreme. Krsna bhakti kaile sarva karma krta haya. If you simply understand this, that "If I surrender to Krsna, then everything is in my knowledge." Sraddha sabde visvasa sudrdha niscaya, krsna bhakti kaile sarva karma... And then he becomes immediately. And if I surrender to Krsna, then my life is successful. This much. Is it very difficult?

Gurukrpa: No, it's the easiest thing.

Prabhupada: Kaviraja Gosvami has explained very nicely. This is visvasa. Sraddha sabde visvasa sudrdha niscaya. Explain, Acyutananda, this. Explain this.

Acyutananda: If you have firm faith in Krsna and surrender unto Him, then all other activities and responsibilities are fulfilled by serving Krsna.

Prabhupada: That's it.

Acyutananda: Day mama gela; tuwa...

Prabhupada: Tuwa o pada barane. This is required.

Acyutananda: Serving the root.

Prabhupada: "My only responsibility is to surrender to Krsna"-then this very conception will save you. [break]

Ramesvara: I spoke with one man who argued that "Krsna is very cruel, because He knows everything past, present and future, so He knew that we would all fall down from the spiritual sky, but still, He gave us the independence to fall down."

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Ramesvara: "Even though He knew we would fall, because He knows everything..."

Acyutananda: That's a common question.

Prabhupada: That is another foolish question. Unless you have got independence, what is your life? Then you are dead stone. You want to become a dead stone? That is not Krsna's concern. Krsna does not give such perfection, that you become a dead stone.

Acyutananda: The thing is that because Krsna knows the future-past, present and future-so He knew that we would fall down, so why didn't He help me?

Prabhupada: No, no. Future means, just like... This is the law of nature, that if you steal, you'll be punished. So if I say, "Oh, you are stealing; you'll be punished," this is future. Suppose this is the month of March, and if I say, "In the month of July there will be rain." So I know; you know; everyone knows. This is not a future telling. The natural sequence is everyone knows it.

Madhudvisa: But does that means that Krsna doesn't know something?

Prabhupada: Krsna... If everyone knows, why Krsna does not know? "He knows everything" means this common sense everyone knows.

Madhudvisa: Does He know what you will choose?

Prabhupada: Eh? Just try to understand. Future means like this: nature's law. And it will happen. After summer there will be rainy season; it will happen, and they will call, "I am foretelling future." It is not future; it is natural sequence, automatically happened.

Satsvarupa: But that's predictable. If I have my own free will, what I'm going to do, you don't know.

Prabhupada: No, no, if you are in knowledge, you can predict. But if you are fool, you cannot say. If I see that in July there will be rain, and if you are a fool, you'll protest. That is your foolishness. It is natural sequence, one after another.

Madhudvisa: When is the natural sequence...?

Prabhupada: Natural sequence... Just like you are infected some contaminous disease; you will suffer. There is a story that one fool was sitting on a branch of a tree and he was cutting off. And somebody said, "You'll fall down." "Ha, fall down." But when he fell down he said, "Oh, you are a great astrologer." So who goes to the astrologer? Only fools and rascal. No sane man goes. They know that what is... Yad bhavyantam tad bhavata.[?] What is to happen, that will happen. Why shall I go to astrologer?

Gurukrpa: I can prepare myself to make change.

Prabhupada: Yes. My only business is to serve Krsna. I don't mind what will happen next.

Pusta Krsna: That desire to serve Krsna, though, that Krsna...

Prabhupada: Don't talk like foolish. That desire everyone has. He is serving. He is serving so many things, but he doesn't want to serve Krsna. That is his foolishness. He is serving maya; still, he denies to serve Krsna. That is his misfortune. Ei rupe brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva [Cc Madhya 19.151]. So unless one is very fortunate, he does not agree to serve Krsna.

Madhudvisa: So that future is determined by the great souls, such as yourself.

Prabhupada: No, that...

Madhudvisa: Because you are creating people's good fortune.

Prabhupada: Fortune, there. It is already there. I am simply informing.

Madhudvisa: No, but you actually engage them in ajnata-sukrti, meritorious activities, even unwillingly performed.

Prabhupada: But this is the duty of everyone. One should not... That is enjoined in the... Gurur na sa syat [SB 5.5.18]: "One should not become a guru if he cannot do that." Otherwise he is cheating. Why he should become guru? Why he should accept service from so many people if he cannot rightly direct them? Then he becomes bound up by the karma laws. If I take one paisa from you without any service, I have to pay you four paisa.

Mahamsa: In the spiritual world the living entity is full of knowledge, so does he...

Prabhupada: That is enjoined, ordered, "You should not become guru if you cannot save him. You should not become father if you cannot save him." This is sastric injunction. First word is gurur na sa syat pita na sa syat [SB 5.5.18]. Why you are claiming? Just like... We are not going to become guru like that... What is that rascal? Yogi...?

Gurukrpa: Guru Maharaja.

Revatinandana: Which one? There's many rascals.

Prabhupada: That big rascal, Transcendental Meditation.

Madhudvisa: Maharishi.

Prabhupada: Maharishi. He is giving assurance, "If you practice this yoga, then you'll be very able to do your business nicely, your..." These things are... And he is guru.

Mahamsa: And he charges them a fabulous amount of money.

Prabhupada: Yes. No, unless...

Gurukrpa: That verse, guravo bahavo santi sisya-santapa harakah...

Prabhupada: No, no, they say to their friend that "These people want to be cheated. Why shall I not cheat?" He says. One of his secretaries came to him... "If you want God, then go to Bhaktivedanta Swami."

Pancadravida: He said that.

Prabhupada: He said, this Mahesh Yogi. "My business is cheating, because these rascals wanted to be cheated. So why shall I not cheat and get some money?"

Gurukrpa: But he doesn't give the money to you, though. He knows you are real.

Prabhupada: No... Not... That is another thing, but he knows that "God consciousness you can get there."

Gurukrpa: Then he's a rascal.

Mahamsa: Yesterday you said that one cheater takes from the other cheater; so he is a cheater, he is taking from other cheaters.

Gurukrpa: You mentioned in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that the one cheater takes the money, another cheater takes it...

Prabhupada: No, no, his business is cheating. His business is cheating. He said, "These rascals want to be cheated, so why not cheat?"

Madhudvisa: So we shouldn't be so angry at him. Some people are serving coffee because people want coffee. Some people are selling bidis because people want bidis. So if some people want to be cheated, so he is simply performing a function of society.

Prabhupada: That is the world. Therefore the whole world is the society of cheater and cheated. That is the version of my Guru Maharaja. The whole so-called human society means a bunch of cheaters and cheated. That's all.

Pancadravida: Isopanisad says, asurya nama te loka . He is going to hell even though he knows that he is cheating. He is also going to hell, even if he is conscious that he's cheating.

Prabhupada: So don't be cheater; don't be cheated. That is intelligence.

Pancadravida: Srila Prabhupada, what is our fortune that we've come in contact with a qualified guru? What have we done to qualify to come in contact with you?

Revatinandana: In other words, why do some come and others not come?

Prabhupada: It is the ajnata-sukrti, say. Ajnata-sukrti. You might have done something, very pious activities, which you do not know, but on the effect of.

Madhudvisa: So it seems like it's up to chance, then.

Prabhupada: No chance. Just like a sinful man. Some saintly person comes to him and he gives some money to him. He does not know that "I am doing very pious activity," but because he has given, he becomes pious.

Revatinandana: If not even a blade of grass moves unless Krsna sanctions it, then why does someone have the opportunity to perform such ajnata-sukrti, another person not?

Prabhupada: Yes, Krsna wants... Suppose a saintly person comes to a very sinful man. He needs some money. Immediately Krsna says, "Give him some money. He requires." So he says, "All right, sir, take it." So Krsna's desires, he gives. Unless Krsna dictates from within, how he can give?

Hari-sauri: So then where is the question of free will? If I want to give or not to give...

Prabhupada: No, no, free will under Krsna. You can become free will and become a big man immediately. Your free will sanctioned by Krsna. You are not so free that whatever you like, you can do.

Madhudvisa: So even if I want to perform some ajnata-sukrti, it is only by Krsna's mercy that I will do it.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Gurukrpa: Man proposes and God disposes.

Prabhupada: That is stated by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

As soon as he gives to a saintly person, bhakta, he immediately acquires some asset of future development. Immediately.

Acyutananda: If someone gives to a person for spiritual..., consciously for spiritual improvement...

Prabhupada: There is no question of...

Acyutananda: ...and the person misuses the money, does he benefit?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Acyutananda: If a man says, "I am giving you this donation because it is a spiritual organization," but if the money is misused, does that man benefit?

Prabhupada: If money is misused, then both of them become implicated. If it is not used for Krsna, then both of them becomes under the laws of karma.

Acyutananda: But that man is sincere.

Prabhupada: Well, this word "sincere," there is no meaning unless he is a devotee. 'ei bhala, ei manda',-ei saba 'bhrama' [Cc Antya 4.176]: "These are all mental concoction." There is no meaning. "This man is good," "This man is sincere," "This man is bad," "This man is...," they are all mental concoction. Only good is he who is Krsna conscious. Others all rascals.

Hari-sauri: So if Krsna has given the dictation, then is He dictating every sinful man to give?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Hari-sauri: Is He dictating every sinful man to give?

Prabhupada: Why do you question like that? Krsna is so foolish that He will dictate to give to a foolish, er, sinful man? It is odd question.

Hari-sauri: This is that point that does one come to..., does one get contact with a pure devotee and advance like that from his own free will, from accepting the mercy of the spiritual master or not?

Prabhupada: What does he say? Hmm?

Hari-sauri: Well the point... The point...

Prabhupada: Somebody answer.

Jayadvaita: Not every sinful man is dictated to give money; otherwise they'd all be giving us money. They're all sinful. We'd be getting money from everyone.

Revatinandana: But then the question is why some and not others also?

Trivikrama: Krsna is in everyone's heart.

Gurukrpa: But some are innocent.

Prabhupada: That is Krsna's dictation.

Revatinandana: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. And you cannot bind Krsna to dictate in a similar way. If He likes, He can ask a sinful man, "Do this." If He doesn't like, He may not act. That is Krsna.

Revatinandana: So ultimately it is simply by the mercy of Krsna...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Revatinandana: ...that he comes back to Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. So it is Krsna's business where to show mercy, where not to show. You cannot oblige Him that "You show mercy everywhere." No. Naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya-samavrtah [Bg 7.25]. Krsna... You cannot oblige Krsna, "You do this." That is not Krsna. That is not Krsna. If one is obliged to act to your dictation, then he is not Krsna. Therefore whatever Krsna likes, He'll do. You cannot oblige Him, that "You have to do it." No. That is karma-mimamsa, that "If good work gives good result, so why should we care for Krsna? We shall do the good work." That is... Ordinary people, they think like that. Karma-mimamsa. "If I do good work, Krsna will be obliged to give me good effect. Why shall I care for Krsna?" That is karma-mimamsa. "Work is final. Do good work, that's all." They say like that. But we say, even if you do good work, if Krsna does not want it, then it will not produce good result. That is Krsna.

Trivikrama: We don't have the mercy of Krsna yet, so...

Prabhupada: No, no. Everyone has got the mercy, but that mercy is not obligatory. If He likes, He can give you mercy; if He does not like, He may not.

Trivikrama: But everyone has it.

Prabhupada: Everyone... He is giving mercy. That is general. But if He does not like, He may not give you. You cannot make Him obliged.

Pancadravida: So why is it, then, if it's a question of ajnata-sukrti... The Indians, from their birth they're watering tulasi, they're chanting Hare Krsna, they're doing so many activities, but mostly your disciples are foreigners.

Prabhupada: So that... No, means that is temporary. They may come again. It will never go in vain. Just like this cloud. Cloud is meant for raining. Now it is not raining, but when there is sufficient cloud, it will rain. You cannot say there is no rain. There is, but it is not sufficiently collected. When it is sufficiently collected, then.

Revatinandana: Srila Prabhupada, in the sastras, like in Bhagavad-gita, Krsna gives certain criteria...

Prabhupada: Sometimes you will see, even no sufficient cloud, still raining.

Acyutananda: Yes, one cloud.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is superior direction. It is not your direction. [break]

Revatinandana: Krsna explains why He comes at a certain time, and He says, "I come whenever there are certain conditions."

Prabhupada: No, no, not "certain time."

Revatinandana: Does He ever say... Is there any statement in the sastra...

Prabhupada: Now it is six-thirty. Generally I go down. If I like, I don't go.

Devotees: [laughter] Jaya Prabhupada! [break]

Prabhupada: ...party did not go Navadvipa?

Revatinandana: We went to another place. We did not go to Navadvipa. We went to the temple of Murari Gupta over here, just behind the yoga-pitha. It's just around the bend.

Gurukrpa: Today they are going to Nrsimha-dvipa[?].

Prabhupada: Oh. Hare Krsna.

Gurukrpa: Yesterday down at the Ganges there was everywhere Bhagavatam class, Caitanya-caritamrta class was going on in different groups, and kirtana was going on everywhere.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [shenai band playing] [break]

Gurukrpa: Prabhupada internationalized [indistinct].

Prabhupada: They can go to the Ganges.

Gurukrpa: That is better. The lake looks very nice.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Gurukrpa: When we went over to the Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's samadhi that morning, there were so many fish in the pond that the water was constantly moving. It was very beautiful. [break]

Jayadvaita: ...instead of building you the house, we should print books, but I think we have to build you the house because the person bhagavatam is as good as the book Bhagavatam.

Prabhupada: No, that is the conclusion. Yes. Bhagavata pada giya bhagavata sthane. One has to learn book Bhagavata from the person bhagavata. Bhagavata para giya bhagavata sthane. [break]

Ramesvara: ...beginning to come.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Ramesvara: Just beginning to come.

Tripurari: Now it is all finished?

Ramesvara: I was just told that last night the winds were blowing so hard that they took everything down so the plexiglass wouldn't break. And this morning, right after your class, they're going to put it all up again. [break]

Tripurari: Radha-Damodara buses.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Tripurari: Gaura-Nitai Deities on each bus.

Prabhupada: What is that framework?

Tripurari: That is preaching outside somewhere, at a college.

Ramesvara: This is that TV show. Dhrstadyumna was on that show.

Prabhupada: That meeting was very nice. [break] ...experience. So much money is being spoiled and squandered. You are collecting money... [break] [end]