Morning Walk – October 3, 1972, Los Angeles

721003MW-Los Angeles [15:22 Minutes]

The State must be responsible

[in car]

Svarūpa Damodara: It is dark.

Prabhupada: It will be darker, darker. Acually [indistinct] morning walk at 5[?] or we will have to change our plan. [break]

[on walk] [indistinct] ...and they are also making dog show. [laughter]

Svarūpa Damodara: When I came here, I was walking and I saw big house and the restaurants. So I didn't know what... So I asked somebody, "Oh, this is just [indistinct]." And afterward I found out it was some food made out of...

Devotee (2): Meat.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes. But I thought in the other sense that it may be dog's meat. [break] ...neighbor from Poona-he was also from Calcutta; he was about fifteen years senior to me, he came little later than I-he thought... One day he came to me and he said he took a hamburger in the restaurant.

He said that hamburger is not made out of beef. He said it is made out of ham. So he said he had hamburger. He came to me and he said. I said, "So you have taken beef?" So he said, "No, it is not. It is ham."

Prabhupada: Now many Indians are taking beef. Most. In London, all Indians they take beef. The schoolchildren, they take beef.

Jayatirtha: They don't remember their culture.

Svarūpa Damodara: When they come here, they change everything, most of them.

Devotee (2): I run into many Indian people, many young boys going to school, on sahkirtana, on holidays. They don't want to try to understand Bhagavata philosophy.

Prabhupada: Indian student?

Devotee (2): Some students, they are going to colleges for higher learning.

Prabhupada: He was inquiring that why we ask no meat-eating. They [indistinct] that why we ask no meat-eating. That Dr. Bernhard, he was asking.

Svarūpa Damodara: Dr. Benford?

Prabhupada: Benford. [break] ...before me never dared to ask people to stop meat-eating. Rather, they learned how to eat meat. Vivekananda was eighty years ago, he came. He learned how to eat meat. Instead of teaching Vedanta, he learned how to eat meat.

Jayatirtha: In the Vedanta Society temple in Santa Barbara, they were offering chicken soup...

Prabhupada: Yes. Prasadam.

Jayatirtha: ...to the Goddess Kali an offering, and then they were distributing it as prasadam.

Prabhupada: In the name of Vedanta.

Jayatirtha: Vedanta means the goal of knowledge, but they are making an end of knowledge. Kesava went to Santa Barbara last night to finish up some last-minute business he had there, but now he's back but he is resting.

Prabhupada: So he is prepared to go to London?

Jayatirtha: He seems anxious to go, yes.

Prabhupada: That's good. Why Syamasundara does not return?

Jayatirtha: He's here. He's also asleep. He came in the middle of the night, two or three o'clock in the morning.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] public touch. Untouchable.

Jayatirtha: [indistinct] is in charge of our traveling sahkirtana party, so he's back here for a few days. They're going around to all the fairs, State fairs, county fairs, and distributing literature. He's had very great success

Prabhupada: That's nice. Indians are coming in Europe and America to learn technology, but next generation will come here to learn spiritual science, to seek brahmanas. What do you think?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes, there's no doubt about it. They will learn technology the coming years, and when they become frustrated again, then they will again learn the spiritual science.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayatirtha: A lot of times when the Indian people come to our temple, they remark like that, that they've never seen such a temple and devotees.

Prabhupada: There is no such temple in India. As we are maintaining our temple, there is no such temple in India. There are temple; they are neglected. Just like here, the churches are neglected. [break] ...demons, and here we are manufacturing demigods.

Svarūpa Damodara: I read in the newspaper that in the next five-year plan, they are planning to spend about thirty-two billion rupees for education, the greatest for ten years. They said that there were so many mistakes for the last ten years in introducing the basic education that everybody said there is no success. So they are planning another thirty-two billion rupees from 1974 onwards.

Prabhupada: What education? To eat meat and beef.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: That education. And no restriction of sex even amongst the leaders. Yes.

Jayatirtha: And all advanced contraceptive methods.

Prabhupada: This Jawaharlal was implicated with his sister, and some say with his daughter also, and he was the prime minister. This is their position. In our Indian system, education is matrvat para-daresu: every woman except your own wife, all mothers. That is education. Matra svasra duhitra va [SB 9.19.17].

Either your mother or sister or daughter, you don't live together alone. These are education. And they're freely advocating sex life. What is the [indistinct] difference? In India they're doing, so many leaders. "[indistinct], natural necessity, it can be done." The leaders are speaking while doing that. No discrimination, just like hog. No discrimination. [break]

Jayatirtha: ...in Īsopanisad that modern-day educational system means culturing avidya.

Prabhupada: Yes, avidya.

Jayatirtha: So they're spending so much, so many billions of rupees, simply to culture ignorance.

Prabhupada: Making rogues and gunḍas and hippies. That's all. The science is manufacturing atom bomb, and philanthropy is becoming hippies. This is the result of education. They are manufacturing compounds, strong contraceptive method, infallible contraceptive method. Suffering only. What is the time now?

Jayatirtha: [indistinct] minutes to seven.

Svarūpa Damodara: So this propensity will increase in this Kali-yuga.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break]

Jayatirtha: ...so many riots by the students at the university there that the shopkeepers in the local area are suing the State because the windows have been broken so many times, and so much merchandise has been stolen by the students, they think the State should pay them back.

Prabhupada: Yes, they must. The State must be responsible. What the State reply?

Jayatirtha: Well, they're having to litigate in court over it. The State doesn't want to do it. So this university there is one of the most famous universities in the whole country. They spend so many millions of dollars to maintain it nicely.

[break] [dog barking] ...changing their bodies in particular ways to make them look [indistinct]. [laughter]

Prabhupada: When you do not take care of God, you must take care of dog. [laughter] [end]