Morning Walk – October 7, 1972, Berkeley

721007MW-BERKELEY [42:39 Minutes]

Take prasadam a little and chant Hare Krishna

[Car door closing]

Jayatirtha: Hour… on the hour or so.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Jayatirtha: There are flights leaving for San Francisco every hour on the hour.

Svarūpa Damodara: It's about 40 minutes from here?

Jayatirtha: Yes, 45 minutes.

Svarūpa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada during the solar or lunar eclipse we observe fasting and then rituals. So what is the… Real significance meaning?

Prabhupada: We take all of these arrangements for remembering God. So, fasting means during the eclipse period maybe the food becomes polluted so better not to be eaten. It is to be understood that it becomes polluted. What your science says?

Svarūpa Damodara: Science won't say anything. Science would just completely neglect because it's just a settle[?] of the.. Because it just so happens that when you let in motions of these planetary systems it just so happened that they are in the same line, by chance. So it is just settle[?]. So they just completely neglect any significance.

Jayatirtha: [indistinct] of the statement that there is only one guru and that guru is coming in many different forms. I don't quite understand it.

Prabhupada: One guru is Krsna and many representatives coming. One business house but there are many salesmen.

Jayatirtha: Oh.

Svarūpa Damodara: They are expansions of Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. [Chanting japa]… The system is how to give the living entities liberation from this material bondage that is the objective but the modern so-called scientific world they do not know what is the meaning. The meaning of liberation.

Jayatirtha: Yes.

Prabhupada: They are completely in darkness, "what is the meaning of this liberation?" Is it not?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: That is the defect. They are. The living entity is transmigrating from different types of bodies and coming to human consciousness and on account of developed consciousness God has given them all this Vedic information they should take advantage and should understand what is his position and then make further development. That is the aim of human life but the so-called science means.

Human life means developed consciousness for enjoying senses, that's all-which is the business of the animals. They think that from bullock cart to motorcar is scientific advancement. From lying down on the ground to lie down on a high skyscraper building in a nice bed-that is advancement. This is the defect-or if a man is drowned if one can save his shirt and coat that is benefit. The man may go to hell but he got his shirt and coat is saved and they think it is now saved. This is their knowledge, bahir-artha-maninaḥ.

Svarūpa Damodara: Sure. So the principle is.

Prabhupada: They are concerned with the outward body that's all, shirt and coat civilisation. But actually in the Western countries there is the system, inside they are unclean they won't take bath there are so many perspiration's, germs. Outside clean coats and shirt, is it not?

Svarūpa Damodara: Oh yes.

Prabhupada: That's all. Inside the body unclean, or. Skin they are unclean suffering from so many skin diseases.

Jayatirtha: In England the system is to take bath only once a week.

Svarūpa Damodara: Sometimes they take only once a month.

Devotees: [laughs]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarūpa Damodara: Actually I knew some friend of mine.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Svarūpa Damodara: They take bath only sometimes once a month or. They never take bath. [laughs]

Prabhupada: In India especially, the Europeans, I know, after four days all the coats and shirts becomes full of germs, I mean to say these bugs. Due to bad perspiration. They cannot. Therefore it must be changed.

Svarūpa Damodara: But some time ago there was an article by a medical doctor in Los Angeles Times. Saying that the Americans take too many. Bath's too many times so they have skin disease. [laughs] I was so surprised to see that written by a medical doctor. He doesn't know anything but he is a doctor.

Prabhupada: That is our first concern because these fools and rascals they are made leaders therefore the society has fallen for this.

Jayatirtha: The Christian church they don't teach about liberation. [indistinct] it teaches salvation at the end of their life when they become saved go to heaven. But, nowadays no one even cares for the idea of salvation.

Prabhupada: That is bogus statement. What is this? How long it will go you cannot put on bogus things for many days. They do not know what is the science-of life. All dogmas they talk, religion, no philosophy no science. Therefore it is dead religion, advanced people they do not care for all these nonsense bogus. Anything which is not Vedic that is bogus.

Because it is not based on scientific knowledge, actually vijnanam, yad vijnana-samanvitam [SB 2.9.31], jnanam means-parama-guhyam me yad vijnana-samanvitam. Therefore they say, "we believe," and belief can be changed, so change also. Even the common men abides with the change. We don't give any orders to believe we want substantial scientific truth.

Jayatirtha: According to history there have been so many different beliefs they can't.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Jayatirtha: In the course of history.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Jayatirtha: There have been so many beliefs that have come and gone.

Prabhupada: Yes belief means that it changes.

Jayatirtha: Yes. Like the Egyptians they used to believe that the sun was born in the morning and died every evening.

Prabhupada: No why Christians used to believe that this world is square? Is it not?

Jayatirtha: Yes.

Prabhupada: So their all believes means that it is bogus. [Chanting japa] [break]. On the statement of perfect source of knowledge that belief is there. That is called asritam, firm faith in the Vedas. [indistinct] by the law of gravitation?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: They put in so many other. So that is experimented? Law of gravitation?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarūpa Damodara: But the relative distances between two objects.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Svarūpa Damodara: So the law of gravitation says, "the force acting between the two objects is proportionate to the product of the two masses divided by the square of the distance." So. "And that proportionality is equally a constant. That constant is universal that is called the gravitational constant." It is a number which binds these relative motions within two objects. So any two objects will have this gravitational effect.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Svarūpa Damodara: You disagree with me just now of course. Within two objects.

Prabhupada: In a laboratory these forces of two objects.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: They have been put into the space.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes I think they have done in. By measuring the balance also only in the discovery of this gravitational theory and they have found that the number is a constant within the limits of their experimentation.

Prabhupada: So they cannot make any planet under this gravitation hanging in the space?

Svarūpa Damodara: They cannot make that [laughs] gigantic job but they can make sputnik's flying.

Prabhupada: That is by machine, they are not standing. So long the machine is working it is all right otherwise fall down. What is the use? That is not gravitation.

Svarūpa Damodara: No say for example when [laughs] the sputnik's go out of the gravitational force of the earth then they all come down even without a machine it will just circle around without.. Because the change from the gravitational force of the earth. So when they circle, it's what they call the integrate that means from the earth's gravitational force up to the moon's gravitational force. So when the spaceship enters into the moon's gravitational.

Prabhupada: Now I want to see that you make a planet like the sun or moon so that at night it will hang.

Devotees: [laughs]

Prabhupada: Then there is no need of so many electrical light. Why do they not do it? Eh?

Jayatirtha: That sounds like a very good idea [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes

Jayatirtha: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: At least let them make a small sun or moon the problem of life will be solved. What is the use of talking?

Svarūpa Damodara: But ultimately these machines are made out of this. All these metals so they will be disintegrated because of the solar heat they will not last long even if they fly. They cannot last forever it is very temporary.

Prabhupada: Why[?]

Svarūpa Damodara: Because they are made by these temporary objects.

Prabhupada: Sun and moon is also made of temporary objects.

Svarūpa Damodara: No sun and moon are apparent[?]

Prabhupada: Sun apparent[?] may... There are five elements, earth water fire air ether, only these. Just like this earth is made the whole material cosmic manifestation is made of five elements, bhūmir apo 'nalo vayuḥ [Bg 7.4]. There is no other than these five elements. So some psychologist is coming?

Svarūpa Damodara: Today?

Srutakirti: A psychologist is coming today yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: I had heard, is it in the morning?

Srutakirti: Yes this morning.

Svarūpa Damodara: What time?

Srutakirti: 9.30?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Srutakirti: I think mentioned 9.30 yes, a few of them. [laughs]

Prabhupada: Why they are interested to come?

Srutakirti: That girl that comes to the temple got the engagement, she talked with them.

Svarūpa Damodara: Any inquisitive souls would like to know something more.

Prabhupada: Yeah that's so. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, jijnasu they are called jijnasu and for jijnasu a spiritual master is required. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuḥsreyam uttamam [SB 11.3.21]. For jijnasu, for the inquisitive a spiritual master is required… What is the time now?

Jayatirtha: Fifteen minutes to seven.

Prabhupada: [japa] [break] advancement, undoubtedly India is the best place. Still even in such fallen condition as India this is the best place for spiritual advancement.

Jayatirtha: Mayapur and Vrndavana are very spiritual…

Prabhupada: Sri-gauḍa-manḍala-bhūmi jeba jane cintamani tara haya braja-bhūme vasa [Savarana-Gaura-mahima] gauḍa-manḍala-bhūmi vasa.

Svarūpa Damodara: Mayapur Srila Prabhupada is it how far from Calcutta?

Prabhupada: About 60. 60.

Svarūpa Damodara: This is in Navadvipa?

Prabhupada: Yes Navadvipa, Navadvipa area. One of the portions of Navadvipa. Navadvipa means nine islands and Mayapur is one of them.

Svarūpa Damodara: Ah… One of [indistinct] is from Navadvipa in Calcutta at [indistinct]. So he used to tell me because there was one doctor Chakravarty, Minoj[?] Chakravarty department. So.

Prabhupada: Navadvipa is a place for learned scholars from a very old time. Very big big learned scholars just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu's grandfather Nilambara Cakravarti. He was a great scholar and Caitanya Mahaprabhu's father came to learn from him and became a student and he was better man than his daughter.

Jayatirtha: [indistinct] established that Mayapur and Vrndavana [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Oh yes he has already established, now it can be seen, at least 100 students.

Jayatirtha: Mayapur?

Prabhupada: Oh yes, that arrangement is there. 100 students he can accommodate very easily and therefore I am purchasing this house. If there is no income then this rent of this house will maintain you. The rents are a quarter now and if there is no income so I shall maintain them from this rent-this is the idea. Take prasadam a little and chant Hare Krishna. But don't impregnate.

Jayatirtha: But don't what?

Prabhupada: Impregnate.

Svarūpa Damodara: What? What is. What is. What does that mean Srila Prabhupada? Impregnate?

Prabhupada: [laughs] That [indistinct] can explain.

Devotees: [laughter]

Prabhupada: How to do this business…

Svarūpa Damodara: Hm?

Jayatirtha: Remembering Krsna is the highest pleasure.

Prabhupada: Yes unless one comes to that platform then this impregnating business will go on, yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45]. In the material world this sex life is the center of all activities. If there was no sex life all these rascals would not have worked so hard. All big big scientists, philosophers, businessmen and they are simply working on the five working senses, just like that, nothing more.

Svarūpa Damodara: There are some historical reports on this big scientist. Like for example Pasteur.

Prabhupada: Historical? You've seen Siva-lihgam? Worship Siva-lihgam?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: The bhajana of Parvati and the genital of Siva-Siva-lihgam.

Jayatirtha: I've wondered about that, how is that.

Prabhupada: That is the material world creation. The beginning of creation is on that basis bhajana and the genital that is all.

Jayatirtha: People worship that?

Prabhupada: Yes they are worshipping. Practically-all their activities are centred there, they are worshipping. We shall go now?

Jayatirtha: I think soon.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Svarūpa Damodara: Ah. This...

[break] male[?] he was so busy with his experiments by the time he was trying to find out how the germs, bacteria were coming out from milk and trying to find out other chemical means to find out and he forgot his marriage because he was so much busy with his work [laughs] so a friend of him [laughs] came to him..

Prabhupada: Marriage?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes. Came to him, yes "today is their marriage so you should come from the laboratory," so he was taken from his laboratory [laughs] he forgot his own marriage and everything. So there are some scientists who they call, "mad." Because they just don't care for anything else except their scientific research…

Prabhupada: [indistinct]. Proverb-a man is known by his company.

Svarūpa Damodara: Hm.

Prabhupada: So here in the Western countries they keep company with dog, so it is to be understood that he also has got a dog's mentality. Most people they keep dogs.

Jayatirtha: Yes.

Prabhupada: They say it is the best company, best friend.

Jayatirtha: Their sporting propensity is almost the same. They play in almost the same way like with dogs they always play with sticks and balls also humans beings they play baseball with stick and ball and such like. [indistinct]

Svarūpa Damodara: After the rain in Los Angeles it is very nice. There was a smog all day chemical coming out of the exhausts was washed away by the rain so it becomes clear. [break] fill up our resources on pollution and exhaustes[?] coming out of the motor exhaust. So they have opened a new department in recent times, last June... in last few years.

Prabhupada: First of all they create pollution.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Then antipollution.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes. [laughs]

Prabhupada: Then again pollution this is their business. Why do you create pollution?

Svarūpa Damodara: But they did this. They didn't know it was going to be polluted [laughs].

Prabhupada: Then they are rascals. That means they are rascals.

Devotees: [laugh]

Prabhupada: "I did not know," therefore you are rascal.

Devotees: [laugh]

Prabhupada: That is our conclusion that you are all rascals. [indistinct] anyone who is not Krsna conscious, he has no right. He has no right. He cannot have any good qualities that is our test.

Devotee: Hare Krishna.

Prabhupada: It is very difficult for us.

Svarūpa Damodara: It is very nice here in Berkeley.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarūpa Damodara: It is very nice here.

Prabhupada: Yes. So last night these professors were satisfied?

Svarūpa Damodara: Oh yes I talked with the Professor Staal after the lecture.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Svarūpa Damodara: And asked him about how does he thinks about Krsna consciousness. He said he liked very much. Oh Bo[?] his wife is Indian..

Prabhupada: Oh!

Svarūpa Damodara: Sitting one of the ladies sitting in the front.

Prabhupada: Ah. Ah. Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: That was his wife. Then they were talking about Prabhupada's, "minimised the needs." So they do not need the expensive of cloths so they were talking about that. So they don't have to spend money for buying expensive clothes.

Prabhupada: The present civilisation they are simply wasting time but increasing the artificial necessities of body. There is no need. And they think that if they increase the artificial necessities of the body is advancement of civilisation. Killing the soul-sending the soul to the hell they will lick up this skyscraper building. This is their civilisation, they want to lick up.

Devotees: [laugh]

Prabhupada: Just like a dog [laughs]. What benefit do they get licking up the skyscraper building? And sending your soul to hell. Next life he is going to be a cockroach in that house that's his does not… Suppose. Where from this cockroach is coming? This some of the living entities they are returning to be cockroaches, filthy, filthy life.

Those who like just like the hippies, don't take bath, don't wash, don't change. They are going to be cockroaches that's all. They do not know this science how they are becoming but in this life as soon as he has got a good car and good apartment. Ah he is so puffed up he doesn't care even for. He will say, "what is the use of God I have become God now." His wife is also professor or what?

Svarūpa Damodara: I didn't ask about it.

Chandanacarya: I think Srila Prabhupada that when Indian people hear you they feel ashamed.

Prabhupada: Certainly, because they are giving up this culture.

Chandanacarya: Yes.

Prabhupada: The rascals

Svarūpa Damodara: There was another one, he was an Indian professor also. That's one professor from India.

Prabhupada: There was an Indian?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes. He said. He says he studies Buddhism. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Why not Krsnaism? [pause]

Chandanacarya: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Hm?

Chandanacarya: [indistinct]

Svarūpa Damodara: The organiser of the lecture yesterday he talked with us up to about 10.30, very late. Because we were talking about some aspects of Krsna consciousness, you know this meaning of life. He started asking all the philosophy inside Krsna consciousness. Later on then he asked.

He told us that they were afraid of asking questions to Srila Prabhupada [laughs] he started asking about the avatara of the 13 year. [laughs] So he said that. He didn't put it rightly you know [laughs] he was afraid of. Actually they didn't ask too many questions just ah...

Prabhupada: He is a rascal. No books.

Chandanacarya: There are animals there.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Chandanacarya: Like a zoo[?] [Chanting japa]

Srutakirti: They all agree with you on that point because all of them were studying books.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Srutakirti: They knew books were necessary they've all been studying books for years. They had to agree with that.

Prabhupada: All rascals. But rascals want a leader like that.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: …and they are not serious. "I press your eyes and you see God," that is going on. And these rascals take it easy, "Oh Svami Bhaktivedanta asked not to do this, not to do that. It is nothing you press the eyes and I will see Krsna." That means they want to be cheated so the cheaters take advantage. Sūdra they have no knowledge, kalau sūdra-sambhavaḥ [Skanda Purana]

[Chanting japa] Failure[?] and that is adults failure.

Devotees: [laugh]

Prabhupada: [Chanting japa]…

Svarūpa Damodara: What is the name of this lake? [indistinct]

Chandanacarya: Lake Merritt.

Svarūpa Damodara: Oh Lake Merritt.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Chandanacarya: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: No [indistinct] …

Chandanacarya: Would you like to see it?

Prabhupada: Yes. [end]