Room Conversation – November 3, 1977, Vṛndāvana

Now there is no strength

Tamala Krsna: Should I read this letter? It's from Tusta Krsna Swami.

Prabhupada: You have read already.

Tamala Krsna: No, that was Pusta Krsna. This is Tusta Krsna, from New Zealand. He says, "Dear Srila Prabhupada..." [break]

Prabhupada: When you gave me that milk?

Bhakti-caru: This morning, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: What time?

Bhakti-caru: Quarter past eight, I think.

Prabhupada: And what is time now?

Tamala Krsna: Now it's about 10:30.

Prabhupada: So, every two hours give me something. Hmm?

Tamala Krsna: Jaya! That's nice program.

Prabhupada: Little, little.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: That will be...

Bhakti-caru: Next I'll give you some barley and milk. Would you like to have some bati chachari, Srila Prabhupada? Bati chachari?

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Bhakti-caru: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Tamala Krsna: Maybe some fried potol too.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, fried potol and some bati chachari. Would you like to have some chapati with that, Srila Prabhupada? Capati? Or some rice?

Prabhupada: [chuckles] I'll not be able to take. Better not bother. This fruit juice or milk.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, better to take...

Bhakti-caru: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Tamala Krsna: Maybe there's some way, Srila Prabhupada, that the potol can be made into a texture that you can easily accept. Once you have to chew it, it's difficult for you.

Bhakti-caru: I can do one thing-cut the potol in small pieces and let it boil for say hour or two, so all the juice will come out. It will be some kind of a soup.

Tamala Krsna: Potol soup.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Tamala Krsna: Okay. Make it in a way that Prabhupada can take it.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, there won't be any solid thing, only that.

Tamala Krsna: That's good. I think liquids are easier for you, Srila Prabhupada. The kaviraja also said that, that for now, liquids are best. That will be nice.

Satadhanya: Also the avocado preparation.

Tamala Krsna: Avocados you can take.

Bhakti-caru: Next we'll give you at 12:30, so after two hours we'll give you some barley water, barley milk and some avocado, like yesterday, Srila Prabhupada. Jaya.

Tamala Krsna: Should I go on reading, Srila Prabhupada? He says that book distribution is doubling there also. He says, "On the farm we are doing spring planting, and this year seven acres is being put into crops, an increase over last year, since the population has grown. The farm is now famous throughout the country as..."

Prabhupada: If you give me some rest, I can sit down.

Tamala Krsna: If we give Prabhupada some rest?

Upendra: Some pillows.

Bhavananda: Support.

Tamala Krsna: Back rest. [break] "...with your permission we would like to come and visit you sometime later this year, as it has now been so long since I have had your personal association." Do you give him permission to come visit you?

Prabhupada: Why not?

Tamala Krsna: He says, "I am a fallen wretch, but I am hoping and praying to the best of my capacity that your health will improve." [break] Do you like Baradraj to sing a little?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: [to Baradraj] You can sing now? [break] Well, the kaviraja will be coming back to take us there. Better that we follow his advice and let this medicine work a little while, see if you get some strength, and let him come and take us there as he promised he would do. There is no reason why we should jump ahead. As we have placed ourself under a competent kaviraji, better we take his advice, as long as we don't find it to be harmful.

Prabhupada: When we expect him?

Tamala Krsna: We expect him to come the day after Diwali.

Prabhupada: When there is Diwali?

Tamala Krsna: When that is? Diwali is the 10th or 11th. I think the Marwari community, they celebrate on the 10th. So we expect him on the 11th or by the latest the 12th, which means one week from today. Do you mind waiting that long?

Prabhupada: I was thinking if we have to go, what do you think?

Tamala Krsna: No, because he's also said that he will give you some medicine for helping you to take the trip easily. No reason to rush, Srila Prabhupada. Our original reason for delaying was to give you time to get a little more strength. That kaviraja felt pretty confident that if we wait this long, you will get some more strength. I think we should wait. Everyone is feeling that way. You're not unhappy here, are you?

Prabhupada: No.

Tamala Krsna: You look very peaceful, Srila Prabhupada. [break] He was not talking, Srila Prabhupada. [break]

Prabhupada: "Without your blessings, how can I get compassion?"

Tamala Krsna: And without your blessings, how could we distribute so many? We directly see the proof of that verse, that the more the Panca-tattva saw that these fruits of love of God were distributed, the more they relished. We find in distributing your books that the more we distribute your books, the more blissful we feel. This book distribution is actually a part of our daily lives, just like... It is one of the regulative principles practically. Chant sixteen rounds, follow the four regulative principles, and distribute Prabhupada's books. Everyone, sometime in the day, does some book distribution or helps in some way the book distribution.

[break] ...distribution has begun, the devotees enjoy it so much that they even like to do book distribution more than the Life Membership. The ecstasy of approaching people, person by person, simply on the friendship of your books, is the highest of all pleasures. [break]

Prabhupada: So far I am thinking, I'm not improving in strength. And how can I improve by drinking little barley and milk and little fruit juice? I have no appetite for anything else. In case I... Most probably, I am diminishing my strength. So?

Tamala Krsna: Most probably diminish your strength?

Prabhupada: Yes, because...

Tamala Krsna: How? I don't see that you're diminishing in your strength.

Prabhupada: Yes, I cannot sit.

Tamala Krsna: But you haven't been able to sit for a long time. You mean you cannot sit up now even.

Prabhupada: In that also, I have diminished.

Tamala Krsna: That's a fact. Now when you try and sit up, you always fall over to the side.

Prabhupada: So in case... "In case," no. From the fact, I can see that I have no appetite. Then how I can increase strength?

Tamala Krsna: Well, I can only repeat the words of the kaviraja.

Prabhupada: No, that is not...

Tamala Krsna: He states that you can't expect to eat as long as the liver and the kidneys are not functioning properly.

Prabhupada: So that is not functioning.

Tamala Krsna: Well, he says that he can get it to function properly.

Prabhupada: He says, but I practically see.

Tamala Krsna: But his medicine cannot... He also says that his medicine cannot be judged over a period of five or six days. He's not claiming...

Prabhupada: I mean in case I do not increase.

Tamala Krsna: All right. Okay. In case you don't increase. Because I don't think we can say... Unless we want to say that this kaviraja is absolutely wrong. But if we accept...

Prabhupada: You cannot say wrong or right.

Tamala Krsna: I agree with that. So we have to say "in case." So what is your point, Srila Prabhupada? That in case you don't gain strength...

Prabhupada: Than what I will do?

Tamala Krsna: Well, why don't we decide that when the time comes?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Tamala Krsna: Why don't we cross that hurdle when the time comes?

Prabhupada: It is already come.

Tamala Krsna: Well, no, because we're still saying "in case."

Prabhupada: No, no. Because I don't feel appetite for anything except that little one sip barley and one sip juice.

Tamala Krsna: But again, the point is that the whole idea of this medicine is that it takes time.

Prabhupada: Practically I have seen that it is not working.

Tamala Krsna: But you're not allowing sufficient time, according to the kaviraja.

Prabhupada: What time? I could not...

Tamala Krsna: Well, he says fifteen days. He said fifteen days.

Bhakti-caru: Minimum.

Tamala Krsna: He said a minimum of fifteen days. It's been about six days, five days.

Prabhupada: No, no. In case it is not successful.

Tamala Krsna: So why don't we wait for that "in case."

Prabhupada: We are waiting, but in case. [Tamala Krsna laughs]

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada, the Ayurveda doctor was telling that one great factor is your willpower. That's very important.

Prabhupada: I am losing my willpower, because practically I see that I am becoming more and more weak.

Tamala Krsna: You said you're losing your willpower?

Bhakti-caru: Don't you think that there has been a slight improvement, Srila Prabhupada? Over last few days there has been a little improvement?

Prabhupada: What is that improvement?

Tamala Krsna: What is the improvement?

Bhakti-caru: Your intake has increased. Your voice sounds stronger than before.

Prabhupada: [laughs] What you will do with the voice?

Bhakti-caru: That's a sign of strength.

Prabhupada: No, no, why don't you consider? In case it is not successful... Upayan cintayet prajna apayan ca cintayet. Two things side by side: success or failure. In case it is failure, then what you'll do? You cannot guarantee anything success. May be success; may be failure. If kaviraja's suggestion, if it becomes success, that's very good. But if it is failure...

Tamala Krsna: How can we give a recommendation on this question, Srila Prabhupada? I mean...

Prabhupada: No, no. What you will do?

Tamala Krsna: What we will do next?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Then we will go on. We'll go on trying.

Prabhupada: What trying?

Tamala Krsna: Well... Go on giving you juice and barley water, kirtana. Maybe eventually the situation will change. How can we stop trying to feed you and take care of you? Krsna can intercede at any moment.

Prabhupada: No, suppose if you want to move me from this place. That is the question.

Tamala Krsna: No. We're going to move you if we see some positive improvement.

Prabhupada: That is the point.

Tamala Krsna: That was the whole reason for waiting, is that you're supposed to get stronger by waiting.

Prabhupada: We shall wait, but from practical point I cannot drink more than one cup of milk and one cup of fruit juice. That is practically happening.

Tamala Krsna: Well, that certainly is the fact right now.

Prabhupada: Each... Right now I am... I am thinking it may not improve.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. I know you are thinking that there will be no improvement, but we are a little hopeful.

Prabhupada: Hopeful... Hope against hope-that is natural. But I am becoming hopeless.

Tamala Krsna: Well we are not yet hopeless.

Prabhupada: What is the value of your hope? I am the practical man. [devotees chuckle] Then, if it is failure, what you will do? That I am asking.

Bhavananda: One thing we could do is begin twenty-four-hour kirtana again.

Prabhupada: That's all. I am afraid you may not put me in the hospital.

Tamala Krsna: Oh, Prabhupada, we're not going to do that. We already said that we would never do that.

Prabhupada: If you..., what is called, want to move me, so what arrangement will be made?

Bhavananda: What arrangement we have made?

Tamala Krsna: No. Moving is no problem. But we say that we're not going to move you unless you show improvement. But we're not going to put you in the hospital. That is not going to happen. We can always take up the program of twenty-four-hour kirtana.

Bhavananda: Massage.

Tamala Krsna: And you can fast. That's... But why should we suggest that at this point? It is not proper for us to suggest that. Obviously we could say that, but that's not very... That means hopeless. So we cannot become hopeless. As your disciples, we can't become hopeless. And putting you in the hospital means hopeless. That's sure. Hospital is absolutely useless.

Satadhanya: Neither we would ever go against your instruction.

Tamala Krsna: No, it's not within our... Srila Prabhupada, we only took you to the hospital in London because Your Divine Grace said we should take you there. Otherwise we were not going to do that on our own. We did not go there on our decision.

Prabhupada: Yes, that starving and chanting and little gahga-jala or... In this way let me pass away peacefully.

Tamala Krsna: Well, first of all let us see this treatment out properly.

Bhavananda: That you can always do. Fasting, that you can always do. But let us see this treatment through. We have hopes in it. And for moving you, what arrangements, that kaviraja has said he will come here and move you personally. But he didn't want to move you for the next fifteen days.

Prabhupada: What you will know?

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: If there is no actual strength...

Tamala Krsna: No. That's why now we won't move you. But if strength comes, then we can move you. The whole reason for going to Mayapur, one of the main reasons...

Prabhupada: I admit that it will be very nice if I can go to Mayapur.

Tamala Krsna: But there should be some strength. So we also say that. So let some strength come; then we'll move you. And if it doesn't come, then we'll stay here.

Prabhupada: Hmm. So in case things deteriorate...

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Upendra: In case things deteriorate.

Tamala Krsna: Yes?

Prabhupada: ...don't move me.

Tamala Krsna: No. We're moving you on the basis that you get strength. That's why we're waiting this time. We're not fanatical that we have to be in Mayapur. The basis of being in Mayapur was that if you showed sign of improvement, then changes for good...

Prabhupada: Then I shall also be very glad.

Tamala Krsna: Right. So that is the basis for moving you, that there should be some positive strength shown.

Prabhupada: Now there is no strength.

Tamala Krsna: No. Srila Prabhupada? Krsna dasa Babaji has come to see you. Shall we have him come in now, or...?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Set up the chair. He'll be coming in a minute or two.

Prabhupada: Get one small light.

Tamala Krsna: No, Satadhanya, the one on the right. On the right.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Come in.]

Tamala Krsna: No, he hasn't come in yet, Srila Prabhupada.

[Krsna dasa Babaji enters, chanting japa]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How do you see me compared to before?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. What?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Do you find any change?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Change? You are fully conscious.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. You are speaking, you are in full consciousness, this is wonderful.]

Prabhupada: Tamala Krsna?

[Krsna dasa Babaji chanting japa]

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Explain it to him.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. What should I explain?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Explain in English what you said just now.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: It is wonderful that he is speaking so nicely, with full sense.

Bhakti-caru: [to Tamala Krsna] He's saying that it's wonderful that he's in full consciousness.

Prabhupada: He doesn't expect this consciousness in this condition. Therefore he is astonished. Actually, physically-finished, everything. So wherefrom the voice coming and wherefrom intelligence coming, that he is astonished.

Prabhupada: [Transl. I proposed that I will go to Mayapur.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. I just heard.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. I heard that everything was ready.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. But the condition...]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. How will you go?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anyway, it is canceled for whatever reasons.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Hum. God knows. He is all auspicious. Whatever God does is auspicious.]

Prabhupada: So fix up this program: kirtana, and whatever little I want to eat, that's all.

Tamala Krsna: And you'll continue to take the kaviraja's medicines?

Prabhupada: That I'll go on. What is that? If there is any improvement, welcome. Otherwise there is no question of moving me.

Tamala Krsna: No. There has to be some actual improvement before you should move. Otherwise, you are already here in Vrndavana, so why move?

Prabhupada: That is my point.

Tamala Krsna: But if actually you can show signs of improving and recovering, then there is reason to move for health.

Prabhupada: That is another thing.

Tamala Krsna: Traveling now should only be undertaken for health purposes.

Prabhupada: That is welcome. But at the present moment, I don't see any such... [Transl. To Babaji Maharaja, tell me what are the other news?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. News?]

Prabhupada: Hun.

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. As usual.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What is the opinion of all others?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Everyone wishes you become strong again. Everyone wishes. Kaviraja, has Kaviraja gone?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hum. Better to go from here, but don't put me in the Hospital. Just chant the name of Hari and take some Gahga water.]

Prabhupada: Why Tamala Krsna gone?

Satadhanya: I'll get him, Srila Prabhupada.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada? There is little medicine, should I give you?]

Tamala Krsna: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Babaji Maharaja also I have consulted, that "Being afraid, don't move me in the hospital." He also says, "No, don't do."

Tamala Krsna: We're not going to do that, Srila Prabhupada. That Samjata dasa? You know Samjata dasa, the architect from Bhubaneswar? He passed away recently. So I asked Gaura-Govinda what were the circumstances. So he explained that he had been very ill for four or five days. They took him to the hospital. So the doctors gave some drugs for reducing the fever. But suddenly he died. When he died he was unconscious.

Gaura-Govinda said maybe it was due to the drugs that caused some severe reaction. We see one example after another that these hospitals, they are simply meant to kill, not to save life. I mean, I don't think we have any faith either in them, Srila Prabhupada. And apart from our faith, which makes no difference, you strictly ordered it. So we're not going to disobey your order under any circumstance, even if we risk our own life. If someone says to us that "We will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja," then we'll say, "Then kill us." Your order is our command.

Prabhupada: What does he say? They will kill?

Tamala Krsna: I said supposing someone threatens us with our life, that "We will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja to the hospital," still, we will not let them take you. Your order is our business to follow, even at the risk of our life. So we are not going to take you to the hospital under any condition. Neither... Not only is it your order, but we also see absolutely no benefit from these hospitals. Your order is sufficient, but apart from that, also, from our own limited intelligence, we also see that the hospitals are condemned. These doctors are blind, these allopathic doctors.

Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don't torture me and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches chant, I'll hear. [Transl. What do you say Babaji Maharaja?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes. Always.] Hari-nama-sahkirtana. That is the medicine. [break]

Prabhupada: This is the decision, that in case it does not improve, let me die here. If it improves, I shall be very glad to go. [Transl. To Babaji Maharaja: What do you say?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Certainly. By the mercy of the Lord it will be auspicious.] [break]

Tamala Krsna: No. Improvement hasn't come yet. Simply because you're drinking more, passing more urine, is not the sign of any improvement.

[Bengali conversation between Prabhupada and Krsna dasa Babaji]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. But, they respect you so much.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. They respect you so much. Respect you so much. Swami Maharaja, I happened to meet him at Radha-raman, he said what Swami Maharaja has done is so wonderful. I said yes, that is right.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What I have done? Tahdera carana sevi bhakta sane vasa, sadhu-sahga. All these books, can anyone write so many books in his life? They write through my hand.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Everything is coming by divine arrangement.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. But I had a strong desire to serve Guru and Vaisnavas. Nothing else. Yatra laulyam ekalam mūlyam [Padyavali verse 14] is it right? Specially you all bless me. If I don't eat, automatically I will die. [laughs] What do you say?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. The Supreme Lord is watching from above. One can survive by not eating also.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Even by not eating one can survive if the Almight protects.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Usually.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Usually. They recited Gita. Very nice.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. The boys recited Gita. Very nice. You have seen? How good is their pronounciation. We cannot pronounce like that.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They came and learned here.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Very good.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Locana Dasa is saying 'visaya chaḍiya se rase majiya'. You all did not take the trouble. Anyway you all chanted the holy name of Hari and spent your life.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. But the surprising thing is that the anartha are not being eradicated. That is very surprising.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Anartha, that is not going at all. You bless me. Often I think O Lord, What is this?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anarthopasamam saksad / bhakti-yogam adhoksaje That is already attained. And for me there is a world of problems, so many activities going on, which are like visaya.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Although like that, Hare Krsna is there. Hare Krsna is everywhere. Hare Krsna always. Here everybody has to chant Hare Krsna.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada has said-visaya baliya tyage haya bhūla.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes. Sri-hari sevaya yaha anukūla / visaya baliya tyage haya bhūla]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Well, please answer this question. When Mahaprabhu was invited, He was fed sumptuously, and He would eat also.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. That Sarvabhauma.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. But when Raghunatha Dasa Gosvami began to display his renunciation, He appreciated it very much.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes. Very much.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How is that?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Hare Krsna. It seems contradictory.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How is it kindly address?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. When the devotees offer Him, He accepts but says-give Me only lafra or the simple mixed vegetables. Other palatable items distribute to the devotees.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That He is saying.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. He says-I am a devotee of the Supreme Lord, I am not the Supreme Lord. He had full renunciation also, and when the devotees offer Him, He thinks-My devotee has offered, let Me take it. Damayanti has given, let me take it. I have to make it prasada. I have to keep everything intact.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Recently in Puri there was a big thing.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. What happened?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. There was no Ratha!]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Oh, Yes. I was there in Puri. First day the Ratha did not move at all. It started for a while and then stoped. Next day it started. You have to utter the holy name clearly. Srila Prabhupada has said-Chanting the holy name of Sri Krsna is devotional service. That I don't find here among all of you. Rarely someone chants like that.

[Transl. They hold the tulasi bead and pull it quickly. Maharaja has taught us to chant clearly and distinctly-Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. They are actually teaching us how to chant the holy name. Someone may chant in the mind and try to finish his prescribed rounds, but when one chants loudly then only it is dedected whether he is missing any name or uttering the name correctly.

[Transl. Who can detect and correct if someone chants in the mind. The mind pulls him. Sri Bhaktivinoda Thakura also has said-Chant clearly and chant loudly. As for the prescribed number of rounds, half of the rounds should be uttered clearly and loudly. Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. Always Hare Krsna. Hare Krsna, don't pluck flowers, Hare Krsna, don't go upstairs. You have to start everything with Hare Krsna. I wrote about Yoga-pitha to Govinda Maharaja and Sramana Maharaja. If Mahaprabhu bestows mercy then everything can happen. Is Pradhana [regional head] coming in?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Pradhana, should I go and see? Pradhana is coming.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Pradhana is coming.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Pradhana?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. A gate is being constructed on the road.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. Does the gate look good?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes. What is the name?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. One more will be there.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. On the other road.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. One will be here, and the other one where?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. On Delhi-Agra Road.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. On Delhi-Agra Road?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Hare Krsna-Will there be kirtana?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. In Krsna's birth place, a temple has been built where a small temple was there before. They perform kirtan there in front of Sri Krsna Deity. I started Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna. The pujari was also there. He said-it is good. We have a committee, you ask the committee first. One of the committee members, a gentleman who was previously a judge. He manages the temple now. I told him that we want to chant like this.

[Transl. He said-it is good, but we chant Hare Rama, Hare Rama first. And you people chant Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna first. So if you chant Hare Rama, Hare Rama then you start. But Hare Krsna, we are Gauḍiya vaisnavas. Then I came back. Later I saw that Mr. Goenka-Jayadayal who is paying so much money for the temple, has arranged to put up a placard of Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare in big letters.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Jaya]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. And at the middle there is a picture of Mahaprabhu. Everything is the will of Mahaprabhu.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada? Will you take some grapes juice?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Please sit up slowly.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. After taking the medicine, I have griping pain in my stomach.]

Bhakticaru: [Transl. Is it too much?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Not so severe, but it is paining. If I can pass little stool and urine, I will feel relief.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You have passed stool two times today.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. So what.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I pour grapes juice in to your mouth, Srila Prabhupada? You drink while lying down.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Can't drink like that.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Then will you sit up?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. My stomach is paining.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. [To Krsna dasa Babaji: Now one more new symptom starts. I pass little stool and urine. How will you stay in front of me? Please move a little. To pass urine...]

Prabhupada: Urine; perhaps stool.

Upendra: It's fixed up, Srila Prabhupada. [end]