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Doctor: (Hindi) That shows there is deficiency of vitamin B-complex. (Hindi)
Doctor: (Bengali) So the vitamin deficiency is clear cut there. So unless something is done, only by watching and observation, that medically is not going to help.
Doctor: That I'll prescribe. Maharajaji will be prepared to take some medicine... You like to take some medicine?
Doctor: If he agrees, I will suggest. I'll put it in a prescription form and explain to you how.
Prabhupada: Take it.
Doctor: I think he would not like to receive any injection.
Devotees: No.
Doctor: And I won't advise further. Rather, it will be very cruel if I suggest.
Prabhupada: Without injection...
Doctor: No. There will be, sir, no injection.
Prabhupada: It will be very nice. (laughter)
Kirtanananda: You're just like a little boy, Prabhupada.
Doctor: Blood pressure should be checked up. Urine should be sent to the laboratory for examination.
Dr. Kapoor: He's in Agra, you see. He came here by chance for darsana. Only this morning Prabhupada and I were talking that he should be called from Agra. Accidentally, when I went to bring the vaidya, I saw his car on the way. I stopped then.
Doctor: I had my desire in my life to see him once, and that God has fulfilled.
Doctor: Hundred times, yes.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Bring Deity prasadam.
Doctor: Tablets... He likes syrup or tablets? Tablets will be difficult for swallowing?
Prabhupada: Tablet I can take. (Bengali)
Bali-mardana: Syrup is better if the tablets are all made with anima... (Prabhupada coughs) He's been having mucus.
Doctor: For this cough. This will be a rather irritable thing to control. For that, Maharajaji should have breathing exercise. Somebody must have suggested before also for breathing exercise?
Doctor: It is necessary, because when he is bedridden there will be congestion in the base of the lungs. For ten minutes morning, ten minutes afternoon, ten minutes evening, in this way exercise must be there.
Doctor: In old age it's very common for a patient to remain lying down in this posture.
Doctor: Breathing exercises as permanently done by... That will help. Then massage and change of postures after every two hours.
Doctor: Posture. Just as he is lying this way, he should lie on the latter side for some time just to have the circulation all over the body. And massage.
Abhirama: You were saying that there's a vitamin deficiency? We have some, from America, we have some vitamin supplements.
Doctor: Yes, you can give it.
Abhirama: In syrup form. Liquid form.
Upendra: On the side it tells the ingredients. Both sides.
Doctor: Whether it is being given?
Abhirama: Not yet.
Doctor: But it will only be effective if it is given. (laughter) So the problem is this.
Abhirama: But do you think it's a good idea? Do you recommend it?
Doctor: Yes, it is a replacement. Tapit.(?) Food is not being assimilated and digested by the not taking any food, so this will be supplementary tapi(?), with this and other things. So this can be given, one teaspoonful three times a day.
Dr. Kapoor: It is a harmless thing. Only vitamins. Nothing else.
Doctor: It will supplementary tapit.(?) Just to have... The body requires. That should be given in the form of food or in the form of medicine. (Bengali) [break]
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Doctor: Neurovion syrup. Three times a day.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Doctor: A tablespoonful two times a day after meals. A tablespoonful (Bengali). A teaspoonful two times a day, three-two combined. (Bengali) Now the tablet(?) remains off, it is not. It is positively due to deficiency of proteins. (Hindi) But it should be given.
Bali-mardana: He will have to agree to take it. You will have to agree to take it, Srila Prabhupada.
Dr. Kapoor: He has agreed.
Doctor: Unless the body requirements are met with it, the body cannot fight.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Kirtanananda: It's mostly soybean powder.
Kirtanananda: It's not made from milk, so there's less chance of mucus.
Dr. Kapoor: (Bengali)
Doctor: They are partially digested.
Dr. Kapoor: Oh, I see.
Doctor: How much is the urine output?
Upendra: More than he takes in, last few days.
Doctor: It is measured? Urine measure?
Abhirama: There's a record here.
Upendra: Well these last few days have been very critical. He's been putting out more than he's taken in. So far today, he's taken in 225, and he's passing urine 200, 150. And yesterday he took in 350 and he passed 200. And the day before he took in 300 and passed out 290. The day before, took in 220 and passed out 250.
Doctor: Instant protein.
Upendra: You can't get it in India.
Abhirama: It's partially digested. Very good.
Doctor: I want Prabhupada to do nothing for edema. Edema will disappear he gains again strength. When he gains strength this swelling will disappear gradually.
Upendra: Same thing the doctor said in London.
Doctor: It is mainly a question of improving the appetite. And appetite will improve by appetizers. By appetizers I mean that whatever he has been liking before. The fruits or things should be as he likens. (Bengali) Salt is also necessary for body. Sugar is necessary for body. So even a complete salt-free diet for very long period will produce this sort of weakness, because there is always perspiration in summer, and salt, there's loss of salt also from the body. In very small quantity that will improve appetite.
Upendra: In the mung water there can be salt.
Dr. Kapoor: Vegetable juice.
Doctor: That much is sufficient. There are three medicines.
Dr. Kapoor: Three syrups. One tablespoonful of each. Mix them. Mix it up.
Doctor: No, it will bother. Better to take just one medicine and then after five minutes another medicine. So if all the three are taken together it will not be harm in mixing them. To mix them whole process once in morning, once in evening, after some food.
Upendra: After some intake, yes.
Dr. Kapoor: After some juice or whatever he takes.
Upendra: So that means these three medicines three times a day?
Dr. Kapoor: Two times, after meals. After meals. Mix them up, the three syrups, mix them up, one tablespoonful each. And give three tablespoonfuls after meals, twice.
Upendra: How soon after meal?
Doctor: Just along with meal. While making up with it. Unless he feels tired, then of course, you can give it separately. Otherwise just along with it, fruit juice.
Dr. Kapoor: And does he take vegetable juice?
Upendra: No.
Doctor: Something must be given of his liking.
Upendra: But Prabhupada hasn't got any taste.
Prabhupada: Liking... (Bengali)
Doctor: Does he like lemon?
Dr. Kapoor: Lemon, can you take lemon?
Prabhupada: Yes. (Hindi between Kapoor and doctor)
Doctor: That you add one lemon with it.
Upendra: In the fruit juice.
Doctor: In the fruit juice. Lemon will improve appetite.
Dr. Kapoor: Fruit juice, put some glucose in it, thirty grams glucose, and one lemon.
Upendra: And how much fruit juice should Prabhupada take at one time?
Doctor: Ad lib. As much as he likes. Because fluid intake is very necessary, whether it is water or fruit juice or in any way he likes. And regarding the treatment of the swelling, we can approach, we can approach it scientifically only after the urine report. If there is nothing wrong with that, then some diet can be increased. And if there is something in urine or some other thing is present, then even then this much diet is a necessity, it must be continued.
Dr. Kapoor : So what are the reports which must be kept regularly? Urine?
Doctor: Blood pressure record once a week. Urine output daily. Nothing else. (Bengali) What about motions?
Upendra: Well, last few days nothing, because there was no intake. But otherwise...
Abhirama: The last motion we gave an enema, and he had a motion. About five days ago he took an enema.
Doctor: Yes, that is right. If the motion is normal, normal motion is there, of course, nothing to be done. Otherwise after every four or five days or after a week, soap part enema or glycerin enema?
Upendra: No, no. He's asking. Water.
Doctor: Simple water, warm water. And that produces the effect? This is best, warm water.
Upendra: Prabhupada should be moved from side to side and sit up too.
Doctor: That is... He must be... Posture must be changed after every two hours. Some massage of the body is necessity. Prabhupada likes matta? Whey?
Abhirama: Whey is good?
Dr. Kapoor: But does Prabhupada like it?
Abhirama: It can be used to mix these. We can use it instead of water?
Doctor: Rather, it is a protein food, protein without fat. (Bengali) Matta(?) means when you serve the milk, milk or curd, you get whey. And that whey will be very easily digested. It will prevent the gases also and will be a supplement of protein.
Dr. Kapoor: Give in a small quantity first.
Doctor: Small. See what is the response, how does he like it.
Prabhupada: Deity prasadam.
Upendra: Your wife has come? Your wife is here?
Dr. Kapoor: You follow that now?
Upendra: It's the doctor's handwriting.
Dr. Kapoor: Three syrups on the first page. One tablespoon...
Doctor: Santivini. S-a-n-t-i-v-i-n-i. Santivini syrup. A tablespoonful two times after drink.
Dr. Kapoor: Each of these syrups is after meals twice a day.
Upendra: And the other one is?
Doctor: Digiplex. D-i-g-i-p-l-e-x. Digiplex. That is also one tablespoon.
Prabhupada: They have got it?
Doctor: (Bengali)
Upendra: What was the other syrup?
Doctor: Neurovion syrup. N-e-u-r-o-v-i-o-n.
Upendra: Neurovion syrup. These can be had at any chemist?
Doctor: Yes. I think it is available here. If something is not available here, it can be got from Mathura.
Upendra: "Fried...?" "Fried" something?
Doctor: Proteins, high protein. Spoonful two times, with fruit juice or barley water.
Dr. Kapoor: You will give glucose in fruit juice, and this also you'll give in fruit juice, so you can alternate.
Abhirama: He said how much glucose?
Dr. Kapoor: In plain water also you can give glucose.
Doctor: No. That will be a hurt. That will produce, be producing hurt. Plain water... You are giving distilled water?
Abhirama: No, we're not giving plain water.
Doctor: There's always a desire when a person feels thirsty he wants water. When he feels thirsty you give him a drink, he will rather dislike it, and the appetite will disappear.
Upendra: But Prabhupada doesn't feel thirsty either.
Doctor: (Hindi) That is due to deficiency of the..., and ulcers of the mouth. They are there. They are in intestines...
Abhirama: Are you saying that juice is better than water?
Doctor: Juice is juice, water is water.
Abhirama: But what about water? He should take water?
Doctor: He has a liking for water, so the water should be given separately.
Abhirama: But not with glucose.
Doctor: If he likes, with glucose it is all right. But if he has got a feeling of thirsty, thirsty feeling...
Prabhupada: But I have no.
Doctor: No thirsty feeling?
Prabhupada: No desire for water.
Doctor: Then it must not be given. Why? The water is a waste.
Abhirama: So then for nutrition, you said how much glucose per day?
Doctor: Hundred grams at least, 100 to 150 And this you should give at least two tablespoonfuls in morning and two, three tablespoonful in the evening.
Abhirama: The vitamin supplement.
Doctor: Yes.
Abhirama: And if he has some... If he is able to take some protein...
Doctor: He does not like it or... Then you can stop it and you can give him whey.
Abhirama: Whey. That has a good amount of protein?
Doctor: Small amount of protein. About... Percentage is about four percent or five percent. But this is a concentrated powder.
Dr. Kapoor: Accha. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) [break]
Prabhupada: What did you do with food? (?) [break]
Satadhanya: Prasadam. And they have kirtana. They are so-called communists. Actually Bengalis are devotees, Srila Prabhupada. Simply that they know your name is enough to purify all of Bengal, what to speak of if you remain present, the whole world will become completely flooded by krsna-prema. That is why we are begging you, Srila Prabhupada, that you remain with us for some time longer, because we are very weak and are still attached to material sense gratification. But if you are present, it is like a transcendental ocean.
Prabhupada: There is some strain here. Why not make big or...? (soft kirtana in Prabhupada's room)
Upendra: You have some pain.
Prabhupada: Not pain, but veins straining.
Upendra: Veins. Just here, Srila Prabhupada?
Devotees: Right here, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Where is Bhavananda? [break]
Bhavananda: The Bengali Gita is going out now for printing.
Prabhupada: Bengali Gita with explanation.
Bhavananda: Yes.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Satadhanya says that Bengalis, they like my book.
Bhavananda: Very much. We get huge amounts of mail. We get huge amounts of mail from all over Bengal every day asking about different literatures that have been printed in Bengali by Your Divine Grace.
Sridhara: Turn over? On your back or on your side, Srila Prabhupada?
Upendra: Back.
Sridhara: On your back?
Upendra: Lift Prabhupada up. You can push the pillow under his shoulders too. Is that all right? [break]
Bhavananda: ...exactly where he stands. He told us that he's living in the middle of all this. He's completely surrounded by them. He is opportunist. Hrsikesa Maharaja from Caitanya Matha, they are giving us support. But Saranga Babu is saying that...
Indian man: (Bengali)
Harikesa: ...praised Isopanisad. This Yugoslavian professor is very famous.
Prabhupada: Famous?
Harikesa: We made it very scholarly, because I remember last time you said it should be very scholarly. We printed ten thousand copies of this.
Prabhupada: Selling?
Harikesa: Yes, we can sell these like anything, because in Yugoslavia we can pretend we're going to Greece, and we can bring as many as we like and then we can sell these.
Prabhupada: So why not print ten million?
Harikesa: I only had time to print ten thousand, Srila Prabhupada. We did it in one day from the flats to this book in one day, just so I could bring it to you. This is the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Second Canto, First Volume, with Sri-Sri-Radha-London-isvara. This we printed twenty thousand copies.
Prabhupada: Selling?
Harikesa: Oh, yes.
Kirtanananda: Which language?
Harikesa: This is German.
Prabhupada: Finely printed, everything first class.
Harikesa: This is Srimad-Bhagavatam, Second Canto, Second Part. This is on the cover...
Prabhupada: By seeing the picture they sell.
Harikesa: In Germany pictures like on the back, they're very popular.
Prabhupada: What price you are selling?
Harikesa: We sell these for about eight or nine marks or ten marks. That's somewhere between $3.50 and $4.00. Sometimes a little more.
Prabhupada: They pay that.
Harikesa: We've made on the covers the same gold stamp as in the American books, on this cover, and on the side also, for the libraries, because we are selling standing orders in German also. And here's Second Canto, Third Part, with Sri-Sri-Radha-Madana-mohana from Germany, from the Schloss.
Jayatirtha: These Deities are superexcellent Deities.
Harikesa: The pujari, he will not leave the temple under any circumstances, Astaratha dasa. No matter what, he will not leave the temple. I tried to force him to come to London to see you. He said he cannot do it.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Harikesa: Each of these is twenty thousand copies. Then we are making these Krsna books. Of this book we printed sixty thousand copies.
Harikesa: Sixty thousand for mass distribution. There's very nice cover.
Prabhupada: He's defeated. (laughter)
Harikesa: I am just taking everything they do and do it. That's all. And then there is these other ones, volume two and three. We have printed 35,000 of each. This one has a very nice picture of you on the back.
Ramesvara: Oh, yes.
Ramesvara: These books are very good. The most incredible thing, the printer can print them faster than anywhere else in the world. From the day he gives the book to the printer and the day the printer ships it, it is faster than anywhere else in the world.
Harikesa: The printer has invited all the BBT trustees from all over the world, and he will pay their fare, and he will say he will beat everybody's price in the whole world for printing.
Prabhupada: Then why not print there?
Ramesvara: He wants us to go to do the research next month in November.
Prabhupada: So go. If you get cheaper and nicer, why not?
Ramesvara: We're planning to go and research it very carefully.
Harikesa: This is another part. This is also 35,000.
Tamala Krsna: What is the total number of volumes? Of these volumes, how much is the total printing of these seven books?
Jayatirtha: Two hundred thousand.
Harikesa: I can't... Sixty thousand and 35, 35, 35, and 25. So that's...
Yasomati-nandana: 190,000.
Ramesvara: In America just one book is 1,500,000 copies printed.
Harikesa: (laughs) We can't compete with...
Ramesvara: But that was last year's. Next year we are planning to double it.
Jayatirtha: In America you are planning to double it. In Europe we are doubling it.
Harikesa: Right now we are laying out the Arabic Bhagavad-gita. We're laying out the work. It's all composed.
Ramesvara: Haribol.
Harikesa: And the Polish Easy Journey...
Prabhupada: He was rotting here, typewriting. I said, "You go." I had ten servants. You feel.(?) They are heavy.(?) He thought that I am degrading him. No. Now you understand?
Harikesa: Yes, I understand, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So here is a intelligent boy. Why he should rot here, typewriting? [break] Whatever deficiency are there, that is excused by Guru Maharaja. Go on printing, go on printing. Deficiency will be corrected, next, next, next. I printed Bhagavata in that way, many defects. "All right. Whatever is printed, that's all." But these are first class. There is no defect. German printing is very pure. They have got the first-class machine. So we have got so many centers. Wherever cheaper and better printing can be gotten, we may take from there. That's all right. Thank you.
Harikesa: (choked voice) Thank you, Srila Prabhupada.
Harikesa: Now you just have to become better, more healthy.
Prabhupada: Healthy... I have nothing to do with this body. Have to do with your work. All right. (devotees offer obeisances) [break]
Bhagavan: All the devotees want to give you a nice offering. So in three days, so far they have done almost eleven thousand big books. Marathon will end on Wednesday night, and they hope to do over twenty-thousand big books in one week. We have about seventy-five devotees out distributing fourteen hours every day. They were thinking this was suitable offering for Your Divine Grace. Also in Italy they are doing almost 3,500 big books every week now.
Prabhupada: Hm. Rome.
Bhagavan: Yes.
Prabhupada: Which book?
Bhagavan: Srimad-Bhagavatam, First Volume. The devotees are thinking if they can do over twenty thousand big books in one week you'll be encouraged to stay. And then they will do even more.
Prabhupada: No. Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati will give them blessing. He'll delay.(?) He wanted this.
Bhagavan: When the book distribution is going on so strongly, everything is remaining very pure. It is taking away all inauspicious elements.
Prabhupada: Thank you. [break] You can note down from him the crisis day.
Prabhupada: There are so many.
Tamala Krsna: Others come at the end of this month. I'll give him the dates. Tomorrow is the first one.
Prabhupada: I think every day is crisis. (laughs) Things becoming bad.
Kirtanananda: You're not under the control of material nature, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Things becoming bad to worse. [break]
Hari-sauri: Here's Bhavananda.
Prabhupada: What arrangement is being made for the conference?
Bhavananda: Satadhanya Maharaja and I have formed the welcoming committee, and we're going to greet all of the guests when they come. We're having... The guesthouse will be empty tonight and cleaned up and all arrangements made for their stay there. That's as much as I've been able to do to date, because I don't know what Svarupa Damodara has done. That's all I'm able to find out. There was nothing done as far as that goes-greeting the people and seeing that their living arrangements are made. They've made a temporary kitchen over in the Gurukula building for cooking, and we're seeing that the prasadam is... We're going to go over the menu, that that is all nice and nicely served. I'm waiting for...
Prabhupada: And what about the conference place?
Bhavananda: The conference place is being cleaned up now.
Prabhupada: Which room?
Bhavananda: On the ground floor in the front, the conference room? They had a big conference room there?
Bhavananda: Right. That's being cleaned now, and that will be all ready. So everything is going on.
Prabhupada: When the conference begins?
Bali-mardana: So I'm waiting for Svarupa Damodara to come to see what other details have to be taken care of, and then we'll immediately see that it's... The greeting committee will be Satadhanya Maharaja, myself, Subhaga, and some other boys to see that they're... As far as the conference and lecture, that's all in Svarupa Damodara's hands. I have nothing... But as far as the arrangements for the guests and their living facilities and prasadam, that I'll take care of. [break]
Brahmananda: ...some Swahili books Cyavana Swami has produced. This is the Topmost Yoga. We had printed this a couple of years ago. This is a reprint. Ufahamawa(?) Krsna. The money for this printing was donated to us by Harikesa Swami, his German yatra.
Brahmananda: Yes. This is a magazine, Rudiwawumungu(?) It means "Go back to God." Mungu(?) is "God." That says, "Chant Hare Krsna."
Upendra: They have letters explaining what each of the..., beads means, tilaka, clothes, explanation down here, Srila Prabhupada.
Brahmananda: To distribute these books Cyavana Swami is having African devotees distribute them. He is organizing them. Cyavana Swami is good at organizing the Africans. But we are not able to distribute them for what it cost to print.
Prabhupada: It doesn't matter.
Brahmananda: What is that?
Brahmananda: Doesn't matter. Yes. Therefore we have to get... I've asked at the BBT that some fund, if we could set up some fund... We have published in the books that "This is donated to the people of Kenya by ISKCON Frankfurt, West Germany." So he is getting a good advertisement also, that he is sending money out of the country for welfare purposes. [break]
Doctor(?): Not eating anything.
Hari-sauri: Only liquid. Some fruit juice and little glucose and grape juice, a little bit. Previously he was taking Complan as well.
Upendra: He had milk last night. The vaidya recommended milk. He had some milk last night, and this morning he had some orange juice. Then the mucus came, after orange juice.
Doctor: When he went to London he was better?
Upendra: No.
Jayatirtha: First few days I think he was better.
Doctor: When did he come back from London?
Doctor: No improvement. You went with him, no? Bombay, you took. No improvement. But he was better here. Eating something. Does he ask for food?
Upendra: No
Doctor: Never. You are giving nothing except coconut water and these Horlicks.
Doctor: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Did you send telegram to this doctor?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Because he is in Allahabad. He is coming from Kodaykanal.
Tamala Krsna: No, we never sent him a telegram. Maybe someone else sent him a telegram, like that boy Iksvaku. I wouldn't be surprised if he might have done it.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Tamala Krsna: One of Hamsaduta's men has been living in Kodaykanal with this Doctor Ghosh. Perhaps he... I'm saying perhaps. I don't know. I had no contact with the man.
Prabhupada: I said you don't ask him about anything.
Tamala Krsna: Well, this Iksvaku is crazy. He's crazy. I can find out if that's how he found out, but I suspect that's what it is. He's very difficult, that devotee. I'll be able to find out. I can't... There's no other way he could have possibly come, except through Iksvaku.
Prabhupada: Who is he?
Tamala Krsna: This Iksvaku? He's a German devotee who has been living in Kodaykanal with Dr. Ghosh. He's a little crazy.
Abhirama: Independent.
Tamala Krsna: Very independent. I'm speculating. I'm going to have to investigate, but perhaps after coming here he sent Dr. Ghosh a telegram saying that your condition is very critical and that he should come. Because otherwise there's no possible way I could think of that Dr. Ghosh would have come here, no way. We have no communica... I would never communicate. We already had our business with him four or five months ago. We already rejected him.
Kirtanananda: Srila Prabhupada? It's Kirtanananda. It seems that someone has to be in charge of your care. One day it's this allopath, one day this quack, that quack. That's not good. I'd like to see you ask one of us... I'll be glad to do it. Anyone... Take charge of your care, and we can do the best we can. But just one thing, one thing...
Prabhupada: But we have already asked Dr. Ghosh of Allahabad, but he has not come.
Tamala Krsna: No, he hasn't. We received a letter from him. I think he may have missed our letter, but he said that any correspondence should be sent to Allahabad and would be forwarded to him. But he hasn't come yet.
Prabhupada: You can see that letter. He is qualified man.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: Doctor Ghosh's letter, you remember, he suggests that we immediately take you to that Bombay hospital.
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