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Prabhupada: So?
Tamala Krsna: Seven. Sometimes six. I think I better start coming at six again. Srila Prabhupada? Bhavananda Maharaja and Satadhanya Maharaja have come.
Prabhupada: What news?
Bhavananda: Everything is nice at Mayapura, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Give me little detail.
Bhavananda: The Show Cause, our Show Cause, has been submitted, and the hearing was set on the seventh, last Friday, but the ADM cancelled it until next month on the 18th. And all of us who were involved in this shooting case, we also appeared in court on Friday, and the judge magistrate released us for traveling in India and preaching. Before that we had been restricted to Nadia district. We hadn't been allowed to leave Nadia. The magistrate said that we are free to travel within India for preaching work, which was good. And the next date has been set for the 29th of December, and on that date we'll most likely be discharged from the case.
Bhavananda: The case against us will be dropped and case will be brought against the Muhammadans for attacking the temple.
Bhavananda: It's reversing.
Bhavananda: As soon as we were released, Srila Prabhupada, I immediately came here. I'm free to stay here with you. When we heard that your health had gotten worse and worse, I realized that I'm totally dependent upon you for my very life and soul, Srila Prabhupada. If you should leave, I don't... [break] ...then with a group of men, and in one week he distributed over five thousand books.
Bhavananda: And Ananda-svarupa is in Malda, and he in the last week distributed over four thousand books.
Bhavananda: They had their disappearance day of Thakura Haridasa. They distributed prasadam, and five thousand people came. We sent a party of men down.
Bhavananda: Now the flood waters have recessed. We're preparing for the planting, plowing. Everything has been flooded. Just now it's dry enough to plow for planting wheat. We planted 170 coconut trees. (pause)
Prabhupada: What is the attitude of our Godbrothers?
Bhavananda: Favorable and helpful.
Bhavananda: He was there two weeks back.
Bhavananda: Jayapataka Maharaja went over, but he was out that time. That Hrsikesa Maharaja in Caitanya Matha was also there. All favorable and helpful. That big nagara-sankirtana on Purnima, that was very successful. It healed a lot of misunderstandings between the temples.
Bhavananda: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: Floodwater entered our new house? No.
Bhavananda: No. The lawn, the park in front of the temple, there was water. There were fish there, swimming.
Bhavananda: No. That was filled with fish. The water was not from the river as much as it was... It was from rainwater.
Bhavananda: No. Then it came over the road.
Bhavananda: It didn't enter into the temple. It entered up to the temple stairs.
Prabhupada: Which water?
Bhavananda: There was no... Because the river was high, so it rained so much... In June it rained for nineteen days without stopping. It had nowhere to drain, and every time it rained after that it kept building up, building up. The Ganga was just fifteen inches below Bhaktisiddhanta Road, fifteen inches from the top.
Bhavananda: Now there're eighty-six boys in the Gurukula.
Bhavananda: We've thinned out.
Bhavananda: There's 160 including Gurukula. After the incident we lost some devotees.
Prabhupada: How many?
Bhavananda: About twenty, twenty-five.
Bhavananda: The older Gurukula boys now go out preaching with the vans, and they are becoming our biggest book distributors.
Bhavananda: The older boys, fourteen and fifteen, they're distributing 125, 130, 150 books a day.
Satadhanya: In Calcutta also we have men, three men. They go out on the street, and they may go to Park Street, and they set up a little stand, and they're distributing Bhagavat Darshan, Bhagavaner Kathas and the people are... Without even having to approach the people, the people come and they buy it from the stand. So it's also very successful.
Satadhanya: They do about one hundred, 150 a day. Dalhousie, Park Street.
Saktimata:(?): Usually about one or two in different places. As far as life members, it used to be we had to go fight and make life members. Now they come to the temple and they pay their baise o baise(?) rupee and they say, "I want to be a member."
Saktimata: Bengalis also. Mostly still Marwadi.
Prabhupada: Bengalis have no money. (laughter)
Bhavananda: Now that the flood waters have receded, in about three-four weeks it will be time to send the boat out again. Nice program. Tapomaya Prabhu will take charge of the boat. The boat is very popular. Up and down the Ganga from Calcutta to Mayapura everyone knows the Hare Krsna Nauka.
Bhavananda: Boat.
Indian devotee: (indistinct) ...one boat is passing through the river like that.
Bhavananda: Yes. Subhaga is here.
Tamala Krsna: Subhaga is here, Srila Prabhupada. He came to see you. This seems like... When Lord Caitanya was in Jagannatha Puri, Srila Prabhupada, the residents of Mayapura used to come to visit Him. Now all the residents of Mayapura are coming to visit you here in Vrndavana, your headquarters here.
Prabhupada: Gitar Gan, (Bengali).
Subhaga: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Subhaga: Muhammadan arrested? No.
Bhavananda: They're going to be arrested.
Subhaga: They're going to be arrested, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: I have no thirst.
Tamala Krsna: Maybe after you brush your teeth, that will give a little appetite, thirst. You know after cleansing the mouth and it gets fresh, then you'll be a little thirsty. At least then you'll be sitting up.
Prabhupada: The report is on the whole very good.
Bhavananda: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So for myself, I may live or not live. It doesn't matter.
Tamala Krsna: Actually, Srila Prabhupada, it may not matter to yourself, but it matters too much for us and for the world. We don't want... We can't... You can't leave us now.
Prabhupada: I don't want, but if there is force...
Tamala Krsna: But you said that Krsna... And Krsna will let you choose now, that you can live or go. Krsna's given you that choice.
Prabhupada: I am living still.
Tamala Krsna: There's so much to be done, Srila Prabhupada. Your activities are not completed yet. You have to install the Deities in Bombay, you have to live in your palace in New Vrindaban, you have to show varnasrama, you have to complete the Bhagavatam, you have to live in a new house in Mayapura, and we have to at least make a good start to begin the big temple in Mayapura. Everything is still incomplete, what to speak of the fact that we are all very much neophyte still. We need you more than anything else. This movement has to last ten thousand years. We're not ready yet. We're still very much conditioned and contaminated. If you stay with us for another ten years at least, then there's chance that we can become purified more. And it's within your... It's within you to be able to do that. Krsna will allow you to do that.
Prabhupada: People are coming like before?
Tamala Krsna: I'll have to start looking again, Srila Prabhupada. My eyes have not been able to see everything very clearly in the last few days.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: Due to your being in this condition, I am not seeing very... I've not been very alert to looking at those things because I was worried about you. Today I'll try to see.
Prabhupada: No. In Mayapura.
Bhavananda: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. Now the flood waters have recessed and the crowds are coming again. And winter season is coming up. Everything is back to normal. Busloads. Especially from Balrampura.
Subhaga: Almost every week one or two busload of people coming, and they want us we should do program there. Two days ago one professor came and talking to Bhakti-caru Maharaja and Bhavananda Swami regarding that. And also from Calcutta and other places.
Bhavananda: Busloads of people, all respectable. Everyone at Mayapura is expecting you to come for the winter season. The sweet sunshine in Mayapura in the winter is the nicest, and the prasadam is the nicest. Everything is...
Tamala Krsna: Actually, Srila Prabhupada, if it gets very cold here it might be a good idea to go there.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: That sweet sun.
Tamala Krsna: Then, January 1st, we can go to Bombay for opening the temple. Then, if the temple is open, there should be not much work left, hopefully.
Bhavananda: The women at Mayapura at busy making nimbu acar.
Subhaga: (Bengali with Prabhupada)
Bhavananda: One older Bengali lady, Mrs. Shaha, widow, very respectable lady, has come to stay. Very respectable, nice.
Bhavananda: She was a nurse, so she's taken charge of the dispensary, seeing to everyone's...
Bhavananda: Very high-class Bengali woman.
Subhaga: Once a week, Prabhupada.
Bhavananda: Allopathic. The flowers will be blooming, wintertime flowers, so many nice flowers, so many nice sabjis. But without Your Divine Grace's presence, Srila Prabhupada, it's not complete.
Tamala Krsna: Everything we've done there is for you, Srila Prabhupada. Actually, everything we've done in this movement is for you. We're so... We don't know Krsna at all, Srila Prabhupada. We only know you.
Prabhupada: But I know you.
Subhaga: If you, Prabhupada, stay, you can give us so much encouragement, simply your very presence.
Tamala Krsna: I remember when we were in Mayapura last, Srila Prabhupada, before going to the Bombay pandal. Every morning we would take you upstairs, and you would sit in the sun, and Bhavananda Maharaja would massage you for two hours. Remember? You said you were getting your strength from that sun and the massage. It's also very nice to take you around. Even as you say it's wonderful how we do it, but we like to take you in any condition, traveling.
Subhaga: (Bengali)
Tamala Krsna: Actually, Srila Prabhupada, the motive behind which we do everything is to please you. You must be present to accept whatever service... We are not very good servants, but whatever little we do, we do for you. Without you being present, we would lose our very reason for working hard and serving.
Prabhupada: (Bengali with Subhaga)
Prabhupada: Now you can go to your respective...
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? Do you want to take rest now for a while? Little rest. You want kirtana or anything?
Prabhupada: Not now.
Prabhupada: Is it cloudy?
Tamala Krsna: No, Srila Prabhupada, it's not. It's clear weather. The sun is shining. It's hard to tell, of course, through these curtains and through the windows.
Prabhupada: Who is there?
Tamala Krsna: That's Upendra Prabhu. He's cleaning up your room for you. He's cleaning the floor nicely. He put fresh flowers. Somehow you have to be able to eat something, Srila Prabhupada. That's the... At least in my mind it's perplexing question which I don't know the answer to. In all these events I have to face the reality that I'm simply a completely bewildered fool. I know you have to... If you're to get better, you have to be able to eat something. I don't know what to suggest, though.
Prabhupada: You bring some milk. That's...
Tamala Krsna: You want to drink some milk? (to Upendra) You make just now. You want any water mixed with it? Half-half? (to Upendra) Milk half-half with water. (some whispering discussion with Upendra) Upendra is thinking that milk will cause the coughing.
Upendra: Srila Prabhupada, I think that just as you gradually decreased your eating and drinking and became very weak, so you should increase gradually, very carefully. Yesterday you drank barley water and grape juice, and you didn't come down with a cough. So if you increase just a little barley water and mung water, then after a few days thin milk, maybe some Complan, and then gradually increase the resistance...
Prabhupada: So instead of water, barley water.
Prabhupada: In milk. Milk will give some strength.
Tamala Krsna: Milk will give some strength, Prabhupada says. He's going to make now, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Milk or...
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: We have... Jayatirtha brought us new boxes of Complan from England. You have fresh supply now. You want Complan instead of milk?
Prabhupada: What do you think?
Tamala Krsna: Well, whatever you take, we don't want you to cough. That's a fact. That's too disturbing. So... [break] Why not take barley water instead of milk? I mean is milk better than barley water?
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krsna: So yesterday you took barley water and you didn't get mucus. So why not stick with that for a little while and get some more strength? See, if you get mucus now, because you don't have much strength, it will be difficult for you to cough. First of all, better to get more strength. Then we can take up drinking some things like milk which might cause a little mucus, but then you'd have the strength to cough. Now we should not take any risk. Is that a fact? At least that's how I'm thinking. It may be better you drink some barley water. Do you mind drinking it?
Prabhupada: With little milk mixed up.
Prabhupada: Milk.
Prabhupada: There is sufficient weakness.
Prabhupada: Weakness.
Prabhupada: I want to sleep.
Tamala Krsna: Should I massage you a little to help you sleep? Okay. Where should I give you massage especially? Where should I massage you especially? Which part?
Prabhupada: Any part. [break]
Tamala Krsna: I think it's very important that you take something to drink. By drinking something it'll give you a little reason to sleep better. The program this morning should be that you drink something now, then take rest, and then, after resting, then we'll bathe you. [break]
Hari-sauri: This morning I was speaking to Giriraja, and he told me that this woman Saktimata was here and...
Tamala Krsna: She came from Vancouver, Srila Prabhupada, to be... Because she heard how ill you were, so she came here to see if she could help in any way.
Hari-sauri: So she said that she knew how to make some juices from..., like carrot juice but with some ginger and a little hing and other things mixed which would give you very much strength, but at the same time not cause mucus or anything.
Prabhupada: Let her make.
Hari-sauri: We can try and see what she can make anyway, and then, if you like it, then it may have some good effect.
Prabhupada: Some vegetable preparation.
Hari-sauri: Yes. I know from personal experience that vegetable juice has very potent effect on the body. We had one boy who was almost crippled, but by following a very strict diet of vegetable juices he completely cleansed his body of disease, and he became very fit and strong. He was not eating anything solid.
Prabhupada: So where is she?
Prabhupada: Let her come here.
Prabhupada: So let her do something. (Hindi)
Saktimata: I will try same to small baby. You see, it doesn't matter. I will try to give Prabhupada something, something. Anything Prabhupada says, "Yes, this I like," and that is suitable for the body, that is good.
Tamala Krsna: Okay. The main problem is that mucus, because if he gets this cough, then he's so weak he cannot cough properly.
Saktimata: That is I understand. I will use that ginger powder, little, and honey. That is very helpful. Also sometimes I will use that kesura. That thing very useful. Also you can get kophur.(?) You can use your throat always here and near the ear...
Tamala Krsna: He doesn't have a cough now. It's not that he gets... He doesn't have a cold or flu. It's not like that kind of cough. It comes from the kind of food he eats. It causes the mucus. So when you cook, you have to cook in such a way that it doesn't form mucus. It's not that he has a cold.
Saktimata: I understand. You hear me one thing. I am nothing, Prabhu. I am servant of Prabhupada. I am servant of the all devotees. Radharani, as She suggest me, I will cook. I am nothing. She order me. So She gave that prasadam to Prabhupada. I am nothing, Prabhu. Don't think, "Shakti will something." I am nothing, Prabhu. Radharani, She give Prabhupada as She like. I don't know. I haven't in my mind anything now also. If She say... I will first go to pray Radharani, "Radharani, You save Your servant. He is so great bhakta." I am beggar of Radha and Krsna. So He will hear me.
Prabhupada: Give her to prepare. I cannot take very thick. Only thin prepara...
Saktimata: Only liquid, water. I will start one drop, one spoon, then start increase and increase. How much depend to you as you like, you accept, the body accept. That is my duty to do. As you like. I am your servant.
Prabhupada: Do it.
Tamala Krsna: So Srila Prabhupada, Upendra brought something for you. [break] I also cannot serve. I have no idea. I want you to know that I don't know. I don't know what to say medically what to do. Upendra says giving little at a time is better.
Prabhupada: So you wanted to change...
Prabhupada: You wanted to do something?
Tamala Krsna: We were talking about... Not now. I think a little while later giving you full sponge bath and then changing the sheets. You want to do it now? We can do it now.
Prabhupada: No. You can do later.
Tamala Krsna: I think if we do it... Don't do it now 'cause he already bathed. Upendra thinks this is a convenient time, Srila Prabhupada, 'cause you're sitting up already. He'll give you a light sponge bath. Is that all right? Okay. [break]
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Dr. Kapoor: He came? Again he came? Did Hakeemji come? Did the doctor come? Hakeemji?
Prabhupada: When he came? He did not come.
Dr. Kapoor: You want him?
Prabhupada: No, what do you think of him?
Dr. Kapoor: He's not very efficient. You should call some good doctor from Agra, from Mathura. Doctor Vyas of Mathura is good. He's a devotee also, Dr. Vyas. The son of late Dr. Vyas, Dr. G. N. Vyas. If you say, I can write to him. Hm? I can write to him. Isn't there any doctor amongst the disciples of Prabhupada who can stay here for some time?
Giriraja: Well, there are doctors, but actually it's very difficult to find a doctor that the treatment is effective. So it's very difficult.
Dr. Kapoor: What I mean to say is ask him to treat Prabhupada or not. But there should be some qualified doctor who stays here permanently for the purpose of checking him out from time to time, because you are all laymen. If there is any complication, you don't understand it. So if there is doctor by his side always, he can check up and say, "This is so and so." You can call any other doctor afterwards and treat him. In the present condition of Prabhupada it is necessary that you always have some good medical advice available here. So if you had one of the disciples of Prabhupada... There was one Dr. Batnagar, I think, who retired as civil surgeon of Mathura, who was here for some time I saw. If he can be help, you can call him, I think.
Giriraja: Dr. Batnagar?
Dr. Kapoor: I don't remember his name, but perhaps Dr. Batnagar. He's perhaps a disciple of Prabhupada. He at least stayed here for quite some time, and he told me that once he proposed that he would stay here permanently and treat the devotees.
Prabhupada: Sometimes they recommend hospitalization, and I don't like that.
Dr. Kapoor: No, that wouldn't be good for you. Because here you have all the facilities, and your mind at least is at peace. But in the hospital you will not find that peace. If you want a vaidya, an old vaidya, experienced one, I can bring Raj Vaidya Pandit Lakshmi-Narayan.
Prabhupada: Where he is?
Dr. Kapoor: He's here in Vrndavana. He was principal of Ayur Vedic College in Jaipur. He's a very old man now, very senior man, retired. He's a good friend of mine. I think he would come.
Prabhupada: Where he is?
Dr. Kapoor: He lives near Radha-Vallabha's temple.
Prabhupada: He's practicing? No.
Dr. Kapoor: He's not practicing. He's doing bhajana, but he's a very old, experienced hand, old, experienced person.
Prabhupada: Why not try? I have called that G.... You know G. Ghosh.
Dr. Kapoor: Who?
Prabhupada: Of Allahabad, G. Ghosh.
Dr. Kapoor: G. Ghosh? Is he a doctor? G. Ghosh. There was one Ghosh... He must be very old, isn't he?
Prabhupada: He is my age.
Dr. Kapoor: Your age. I know G. Ghosh. But would he come? Long distance and old man.
Prabhupada: But he is my old friend.
Dr. Kapoor: Friend. If he comes, well and good.
Prabhupada: He recommended when I was in Bombay, he would come to Bombay. And that hospital?
Giriraja: Jhaso.(?)
Prabhupada: In Jhaso(?) hospital J. P. Narayan was admitted? Again he was sent to foreign country. This is the difficulty. They want up-to-date scientific treatment, which means taking blood, injection, operation, like that.
Dr. Kapoor: Yes, yes. No. You can't stand all that. [break] I think Raj Vaidya Pandit Lakshmi-Narayan. Let him examine. (Bengali) The doctor wouldn't be able to say anything unless he checks of your blood and everything, you see, which is a very troublesome task. But old vaidya, he can feel the pulse and say what exactly is wrong.
Prabhupada: He can be brought now?
Dr. Kapoor: I can try.
Prabhupada: So give him...
Giriraja: I'll arrange a car.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...strength even for sitting.
Dr. Kapoor: Oh. You should keep lying. Don't sit for long.
Prabhupada: Today is also critical day?
Prabhupada: Kapoorji is bringing one retired vaidya. (Bengali)
Dr. Kapoor: Pandit Lakshmi-Narayan. He was principal of Ayur Vedic College in Jaipur. He's retired man, now doing bhajana here. He's a very old and experienced person. So he will just see the pulse
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Kapoor: ...and say what exactly is wrong.
Prabhupada: So give him car.
Tamala Krsna: So we'll give you Prabhupada's car or we can give... Either way. It may be better... Bhakti-caitanya Swami has his vehicle here, I think.
Prabhupada: Any car.
Dr. Kapoor: So I'll go just now and try.
Upendra: And we... We'll wait for the bath?
Upendra: Yes, Prabhupada.
Dr. Kapoor: That's good.
Jayadvaita: His Divine Grace said this is the best medicine.
Dr. Kapoor: That certainly is the best medicine. You're having chanting often? I see. That is well. Not very loudly.
Prabhupada: (Bengali with Dr. Kapoor)
Dr. Kapoor: This man is very experienced.
Giriraja: Dr. Kapoor? The car is ready.
Dr. Kapoor: All right.
Prabhupada: Somebody may go with you.
Giriraja: Yes. Sridhara Swami is going with him. You want kirtana?
Prabhupada: Kirtana there is no restriction. [break]
Upendra: Can you take his hips and pull Prabhupada up a little bit?
Prabhupada: So in the Iran, what do they supply?
Ramesvara: What do they supply?
Tamala Krsna: What foodstuffs, you mean, Srila Prabhupada? I think what do they serve... You mean what are they serving people to eat? Srila Prabhupada...
Ramesvara: There are fruits and juices, very nice fruits and juices in Iran. And they also have nice vegetables and wheat. Wheat is their main grain.
Prabhupada: Wheat. Hm?
Prabhupada: So wheat...
Ramesvara: They makes breads.
Tamala Krsna: This is not being understood. Prabhupada, do you mean what we are serving the royal family?
Prabhupada: No, no. They have got restaurant.
Ramesvara: Oh. In the restaurant there is capatis, nice dal, two sabjis. Rice is a very favorite food of Persians, so rice is there, and some sweet, usually some pudding, some sweet rice, and some fruit juice and fruit. These things all come as part of the meal.
Prabhupada: They like it.
Ramesvara: Oh, yes. It is so crowded. There's no more room. In fact, they are looking for a bigger place.
Prabhupada: Hm. Hm. So everything is prepared by Nandarani?
Ramesvara: Nandarani and some other brahmanas, some men who are there at the temple. She is especially a good cook. And in the evenings they play Hare Krsna kirtana tapes, mostly Your Divine Grace. People very much like the atmosphere because of the music. In Islam there is a tradition of chanting God's name and other mantras or prayers, so they appreciate the chanting of Hare Krsna very much. When you enter the restaurant there is a big book table, so the first thing that one sees are japa beads and your books, and people buy the books from the table.
Prabhupada: English.
Ramesvara: For now they are selling Bhagavad-gita, Back to Godhead, and Satsvarupa Maharaja's book. That is also being sold. They are just now printing the first Persian Back to Godhead, and in three months' time the Bhagavad-gita in Persian will be... Translation will be completed.
Ramesvara: One local man that joined us, very intelligent man.
Prabhupada: So they are looking after a bigger place?
Brahmananda: They're looking after a bigger place?
Ramesvara: Yes.
Prabhupada: Hm. Very warm nowadays?
Ramesvara: During the day it is just like here-80, 85 degrees. In the early morning and in the evening sometimes a little chilly.
Prabhupada: At night snowfall?
Ramesvara: No.
Jayatirtha: Snow there starts around December. It starts to get snow in Tehran.
Ramesvara: This is the best time in Tehran, the fall, autumn season. Parivrajakacarya Maharaja told me that the Indian ambassador to Iran spoke with him and told him, "You are the real ambassador of India."
Prabhupada: Hm. Why?
Ramesvara: Because he is becoming friendly with the royal family. Actually he goes every day to the palace. They send a chauffeured Mercedes to pick him up every day. He spends four or five hours every day talking to the royal family.
Prabhupada: It is great opportunity.
Jayatirtha: It's the wealthiest family in the world, much more wealthy than Rockefeller.
Prabhupada: He goes alone or with somebody else?
Ramesvara: For now he's going alone. They are very interested in hatha-yoga also, and he knows something of it, so he teaches them. The prince and the princess have already become vegetarian.
Prabhupada: And they are not making any chana preparation?
Prabhupada: Not...
Jayatirtha: Cheese.
Ramesvara: Sometimes they make one sabji with eggplant, tomatoes and fried cheese, very nice wet sabji. Actually that's one of the sabjis every day in the restaurant.
Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Kapoor is waiting?
Sridhara Swami: Yes.
Sridhara Swami: No. He hasn't come. Dr. Kapoor suggested he should go now because he has some work, and that doctor will be coming. He went to Radha-Ramana temple.
Prabhupada: Give him some prasadam, Dr. Kapoor.
Prabhupada: Hm? What is that?
Upendra: So the other doctor has come.
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