Conversations with Kirtana Groups

May 29, 1977, Vrndavana
Prabhupada: Janme janme prabhu sei. Spiritual master who has opened the eyes, he is, spiritual master, the life of the disciple. Do not... He cannot be envied. Janme janme prabhu sei. Life of the disciple. Cakhu-dan dilo jei, janme janme prabhu sei. Nobody can repay the indebtedness of spiritual master, even by getting a duration of life like Brahma. There is a verse in Srimad... Brahma... Brahma-sam... Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, there is a verse. Sei... Sei guru. All right.
Yasodanandana: "The Lord has suggested, therefore, that by the influence..." [break]
Prabhupada: ...meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Find out throughout the whole world if they can give up these bad habits by adopting any other means. But one who has taken to the bhakti-yoga, they have given up very easily. Is it not?
Hari-sauri: Yeah, immediately.
Prabhupada: Anartha upasamam saksat. Nobody dies without illicit sex or intoxication. Anartha, unnecessarily they are habituated. There is no need, but by bad association you have practiced this, habituated, cannot be given up. LSD. Government spends so much, millions of dollars, that "These hippies may give up." Not successful. See practically. And as soon as they come to our camp, they give up. Is it not?
Jayapataka: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Anartha upasamam saksat. In every step anartha. This material life means anartha. There is no need, but anadi karama phale. Due to our karma we are put into this unfavorable condition, and it is very difficult to come out of it. But if you take to bhakti-yogam adhoksaje, immediately... Who is taking, without any force... How practical it is. Anartha upasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje.
Prabhupada: The same bhakti-yoga. This is practical.
Jayapataka: Now there's another group.
Yasodanandana: Jaya om visnupada paramahamsa parivrajakacarya astottara-sata sri-srimad... [break]
Prabhupada: They do not know. They'll not pay. All dry flowers they'll supply you and take American money. He'll not pay. Anyway, satisfy yourself. So it is raining?
Hari-sauri: It's beginning to. [break]
Prabhupada: Where is Bhavananda?
Tamala Krsna: He is at the fire sacrifice.
Prabhupada: Fire sacrifice not yet finished?
Prabhupada: Then when it will be finished?
Tamala Krsna: Usually after they put on their dhoti, then the fire sacrifice begins.
Prabhupada: No, no. Fire sacrifice... Let it be finished now. Who said that before fire sacrifice begins they should put on...
Tamala Krsna: I don't know who.
Prabhupada: Nobody has got...
Tamala Krsna: Bhavananda said that they should come here.
Prabhupada: No, they should attend the fire sacrifice.
Tamala Krsna: He hasn't begun the sacrifice yet.
Prabhupada: You go and begin and then come. Fire sacrifice finished. Our...
Indian devotee (1): Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: He said that fire sacrifice not yet... They'll do...
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, I know when I got sannyasa, first...
Indian devotee (1): I was also that it is... It should be...
Prabhupada: All right. All right, you shall go. So one by one, they should change their cloth. Can you help them?
Prabhupada: In the meantime let me go to the latrine. [break] ...I think. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Indian devotee (2): Etam sa asthaya...
Indian devotee (2): Etam sa asthaya paratma-nistham.
Prabhupada: Adhyasitam purvatamair maharsibhih.
Indian devotee (2): (repeats)
Prabhupada: Aham tarisyami...
Indian devotee (2): Aham tarisyami...
Prabhupada: Duranta-param...
Devotees: Duranta-param...
Prabhupada: Tamo mukundanghri...
Devotees: Tamo mukundanghri...
Prabhupada: Nisevayaiva.
Devotees: Nisevayaiva.
Prabhupada: Now chant properly.
etam sa asthaya paratma-nistham
adhyasitam purvatamair maharsibhih
aham tarisyami duranta-param
tamo mukundanghri-nisevayaiva
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Devotees: (repeat same verse)
Prabhupada: The meaning, that "I am taking this sannyasa for the purpose of crossing over the ocean of nescience." Etam sa asthaya paratma-nistham. Paratma-nistha, Bhagavan, Paramatma. Simply to serve Krsna... So here are three dandas. One danda, person. There are four dandas. He is person, "I am." And the other three dandamy mind... Kaya manah vakya: my mind, my body and my words. "So I dedicate my mind, my body and my activities, paratma-nistha, only for the service of the Supreme. So being situated in that position, following..." Purvatamair maharsibhih. It is not that I have introduced something new. All big, big acaryas, they took sannyasa for this preaching work-Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Sankaracarya even. And that is purvatamair maharsibhih. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. We have to follow maharsibhih. So "All acaryas of India, they have taken sannyasa, so I am also taking sannyasa. The business is paratma-nistha." So what will be the benefit? Aham tarisyami duranta-param: "This ocean of nescience is duranta-param. It is very, very difficult to cross over. But I'll cross over." How? Tamah. This is darkness, tamah. Mukundanghri-nisevayaiva: "Simply by serving the lotus feet of Mukunda." Mukunda means "one who can give liberation, mukti." Mukunda. So chant again this.
Devotees: (repeat same verse)
Prabhupada: Again.
Devotees: (repeat same verse)
Prabhupada: Again.
Devotees: (repeat same verse)
Prabhupada: So now... Whose danda it is?
Indian devotee: Mine.
Prabhupada: Take this danda. Then... Hm. Come on. (Bengali) ...Prema-bhakti Swami... (Bengali) ...Bhakti-prema Swami. (Bengali) Bhakti-caitanya Swami. Thik hai? Tomara nama habe... (Bengali) Bhakti-caru Swami... So what is your name?
Prabhupada: Your?
Prabhupada: And your?
Prabhupada: So now you can go attend the, yes, sacrifice. Then, conveniently, you have to take the gayatri-mantra, and he has to take the gayatri-mantra. Then it will be all right.
Bhakti-caitanya: So come again to take that...
Prabhupada: Yes, after initiation. And here is...
Tamala Krsna: He already had gayatri.
Prabhupada: Oh, he has got?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Oh. (Bengali) Hare Krsna. Help them, all senior sannyasis. If there is some mistake, correct them. Cooperation and... (Bengali) Everyone... That's all. There is mala? Give them mala each. Yes. That's all. Give them.
Indian devotee (3): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi conversation) He has already gone?
Tamala Krsna: No, he... Srila Prabhupada, Bhakti-prema Swami wants to know if he can get the gayatri now, if you want to give him gayatri...
Prabhupada: No, first of all attend.
Tamala Krsna: All right. [break]
Prabhupada: Where is the gayatri-mantra sheet?
Indian devotee (3): Where is gayatri-mantra? Thread?
Prabhupada: Gayatri-mantra sheet? Let the... (indistinct) All right, finish this business. Finish up. (Bengali) All together, chant Hare Krsna. (kirtana begins) Loudly. [break] (mangalacarana)
krsnotkirtana-gana-nartana-parau premamrtambho-nidhi
dhiradhira-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pujitau
sri-caitanya-krpa-bharau bhuvi bhuvo bharavahantarakau
vande rupa-sanatanau...
Devotees: Raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau.
Prabhupada: That's it.
Devotees: Jaya. Srila Prabhupada ki jaya! [break]
Prabhupada: So now you can disperse. I'll give him.
Devotees: Srila Prabhupada ki jaya!
Prabhupada: What is time now?
Brahmananda: Quarter of ten.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Bhavananda: You said you wanted to shave and have your head shaved today?
Prabhupada: Yes, I'll do it after. [break]
Svarupa Damodara: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So?
Svarupa Damodara: So why don't you develop?
Prabhupada: That's a fact. Andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham [Bs. 5.35]. Even within the atom there is living entity. Just like within the seed there is living entity, and when the seed gets favorable circumstances, the life is there. It fructifies. Different seeds, different life.
Svarupa Damodara: This is true only, though, in the earth planet. In the earth.
Prabhupada: Earth?
Svarupa Damodara: In this planet.
Prabhupada: Everywhere. Jalaja nava-laksani. Everywhere there is water and there is... That's all.
Brahmananda: But there is not water on every planet.
Prabhupada: That is rascals' theory, all rascal. Wherever there is planet, there is water, there is everything. If there is no water, where from the sand comes? Scientifically? What is the sand? Hm?
Brahmananda: The composition of sand?
Svarupa Damodara: Composition is silica.
Prabhupada: Silica. What is silica?
Svarupa Damodara: Silica contains one atom of silicon and two atoms of oxygen, but in the case of an acid, it contains two atoms of hydrogen.
Prabhupada: Acid is liquid.
Svarupa Damodara: Silicic acid?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Svarupa Damodara: Silicic acid, it forms with water and silicon.
Prabhupada: Yes. So... And without water, where silica comes? They are all rascals. Wherever there is silica, there must be water, dried up or existing.
Svarupa Damodara: It's true, though, that there is water, but not as much as we find...
Prabhupada: But that is another. Water must be there. Without water, there is no question of silica.
Svarupa Damodara: I was thinking that... Just like in the sun planet, you said the body has to be fiery, like the sun, so in that sense the...
Prabhupada: That does not mean there is no water.
Svarupa Damodara: There is water, but it's very small amount.
Prabhupada: Small or big, that is another thing. There must be water. Even within the fire there is water.
Svarupa Damodara: So life has to develop through that water.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Svarupa Damodara: That water, that small amount of water, the life has to develop.
Prabhupada: There is no question of... That small amount is sufficient, according to the circumstance. Just like in the desert they don't require much water, the camels. Once drunk, they can go on the desert for three days. You cannot do that. There is water. Otherwise how watermelon is coming?
Brahmananda: Even the cactus plants, they're able to grow, and they store the water...
Prabhupada: Everywhere there are these... These rascals, they do not know. Everything is there, every planet.
Svarupa Damodara: The five gross elements is present all the...
Prabhupada: Ksitir apo 'nalo vayuh. Must... (aside:) Give me. Give me that.
Indian devotee (4): Still down?
Prabhupada: Hm. [break] Everywhere there is life, there is everything, varieties. Here you see in the water there is life, in the land there is life, in the air there is life, within the silicate there is life. So many, many millions. These crabs... What is called?
Prabhupada: How they are living? As soon as you walk, they go within the sand.
Svarupa Damodara: Recently they also found out that there are some, called bacteria. They live in a very unusual circumstances. They can survive to 150 degrees. And sometimes they live inside ammonia, ammonia solution, without water. They can survive.
Prabhupada: Not without water. There is water, but not as much. Just like on the land there is water, but in the sea there are so much water. So there is life; there is life. We don't say that in the land there is no water. Everywhere is there different. So this evolution, jalaja nava-laksani, it has developed the same way. The first life comes out... Then everywhere there is life. The transportation from higher planet to lower planet, water.
Prabhupada: The rainfall. With the rainfall, those who are fallen souls, they are coming down. Then takes shelter within the atom. Then again grows.
Svarupa Damodara: It's interesting that science says also that in the beginning there was only hydrogen. So actually water is... Its main composition of two parts of hydrogen...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Svarupa Damodara: One part of oxygen. So if the soul is coming through this water, through rain from higher planetary system...
Prabhupada: Ksine punye punar martya-lokam visanti. They elevate, again fall down. This is going on. Mrtyu-samsara-vartmani [Bg. 9.3]. Yad gatva na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama [Bg. 15.6]. But when they go to Krsnaloka, then they are... [break]
Svarupa Damodara: That also corresponds with another theory, a scientific theory, is that the origin of life comes from other planets. That is one theory, not Darwin. This is not Darwin.
Prabhupada: Darwin... Grand rascal. All speculation. Transportation I told.
Just try to explain to them. [break] ...interesting. I can give you the ideas. You put in the scientific way. But whatever idea I give, that's a fact. They have stopped making propaganda about going to Mars?
Brahmananda: Going to Mars? They've stopped propaganda?
Svarupa Damodara: Yeah, they are a little silent.
Prabhupada: (chuckles) Hoax. First hoax was little successful. Now they say it will not be very successful.
Svarupa Damodara: One aspect in science that they're worried more nowadays is called biomedical ethics. That means they are worrying about so-called this genetic engineering. They say by this engineering they can develop some small insects or microbes that will be great harmful. It will be very harmful to the society. So these big, big schools like M.I.T. and Harvard, they are... Some of the leading scientists in this field, they're very much concerned about this new development. (end)

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