Conversations – May 17, 1977, Vṛndāvana

770517R1-Vrindavan [28:33 Minutes]

So you have got assets. You have got parentage. Everything you have got. Now do something

Prabhupada: Now you can discuss. [Transl. Is everything okay?] [end]

Bhagatji: [Transl. He was saying…the body of that girl named Manisa who had cancer…she came from America, she left her body yesterday, no the day before yesterday. Her funeral was performed the day before yesterday at the Yamuna.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Nobody can survive cancer.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes. She came from America.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I also had a disciple named Jayananda who left his body today while chanting the holy name of Hari.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Left his body?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He had cancer. Very glorious death. He was the one who was arranging all the Ratha-yatras. Young man?] What was his age?

Tamala Krsna: Jayananda was about thirty-eight or forty.

Prabhupada: [Transl. First he was driving taxi there. I first met him in San Francisco. So he used to drive me around and chant "Hare Krsna," "Hare Krsna" while driving. He was the first person to give me five thousand dollar. "Take this and print your books."] I was very anxious to print my books. So he is the first one to come forward, and give a five thousand dollar check. [Transl. He was very good. After that, he used to run the San Francisco center himself by driving taxi. Very talented. Any work you tell him, immediately "Yes Yes" and he will do it. He was such a hard worker. He was very stout, long and comes from a rich family. His father and mother also came.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Prabhupada, do you not feel any hungry now? Was there any benefit from going to Rishikesh?]

Prabhupada: nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau [Sad-gosvami-astaka verse 6] [laughs]. [Transl. That's why I came back here so that eating, sleeping should be stopped. Now I have to die. So why not return to Vrndavana? I see blurry in my eyes. Eyes?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes, I understand.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It must be because of weakness. Anyway I am back home. So in this condition, don't bother to call for doctors. Simply do kirtan. If I happen to become unconscious, or I am unable to speak, you just go on doing kirtan. Nothing else. Calling doctor, giving injection, uptodate treatment-don't do all this. I have already told this to them. What will the doctors do?] tvad-upeksitanam, tavad tanu-bhrtam tvad-upeksitanam [SB 7.9.19] [Transl. Whatever the Supreme Personality of Godhead desires, that should happen.]

[Transl. It is not that just by having parents the children are raised, just by having good medicines and doctors people survive. Similarly, all the remedies that are available in the world, the world is a place of struggle, one side struggle and another side its remedy. They go side by side. So, all the remedies will not be of any help even if you take full advantage of them. Whatever the Supreme Lord desires… One should depend on Him. The doctors simply make some experiments. They don't actually know anything. They invent newer and newer things.] What is this cloth is hanging?

Tamala Krsna: It says, "Welcome, Srila Prabhupada."

Prabhupada: Oh. Where is Gopala Krsna?

Tamala Krsna: He went back to Bombay.

Prabhupada: Hmm. [Transl. When did he go? I didn't know that.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. When did Gopala Krsna come here? On 7th? On 7th or 8th.]

Tamala Krsna: He was in Delhi the day before yesterday.

Indian man (1): He came here only for one day.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Tamala Krsna: He was in Delhi only about two days ago. He'll be coming back here, he said, in about one week from now-one week to ten days.

Prabhupada: [aside:] You can keep here. When Mr. Bose has come?

Aksayananda: Mr. Ghosh?

Tamala Krsna: Bose.

Aksayananda: Oh. Just three days ago.

Prabhupada: How long he'll stay?

Aksayananda: He wants to stay.

Prabhupada: He wants, but I don't think he wants. [laughs] It is known to me.

Mr. Bose: No, I'll stay. I promised them.

Prabhupada: You promised them? [laughter]

Mr. Bose: By blessings.

Prabhupada: This time little advanced he has become there, Bose... Shaven-headed. [Transl. What obligations do you have?] His father was sannyasi.

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Pardon?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What obligation do you have?]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Nothing. All finished.]

Prabhupada: Mmm. His father was sannyasi. He's the first sannyasi of Gaudiya Matha.

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: His father was the first sannyasi of Gaudiya Matha, my Godbrother, Bhakti-pradipa-tirtha. He was very friendly. He liked me very much. [Transl. How old are you now?]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Who? 58 years.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That's enough. Now give up all the bad habits [indistinct]]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Everything. I have nothing.]

Prabhupada: He has come. Just try to train him.

Mr. Bose: [Transl. I have given up everything, because I cannot come here with those things. There was a pressure from inside.]

Prabhupada: The pressure must be there. You are son of a very big man. The father's quality must be there.

Mr. Bose: [Transl. It's your mercy only. Just like you brought me here now, without you nobody else could do that. This I can..] I... Hardly I endorse. Without Your Grace, a man like me, never. I realize your now...

Prabhupada: [Transl. You live here nicely. Help in the management.]

Mr. Bose: He's so kind to me.

Aksayananda: Everything Prabhupada does is [indistinct].

Prabhupada: He is ideal sannyasi. I think he's younger than you.

Mr. Bose: Yes. As I am engrossed in this way. It is only through his grace I got extricated. It was impossible. I have got all ameneties. Still, the world has entrapped me in such a way that several times I promised to him; I could not extricate myself. But this time, I realized it and I last only... That strictness I found. Without him nobody can do it.

Prabhupada: He's coming from government service. Accha.

Mr. Bose: I had an executive post. And my father, most dearest godbrother of his. He has got a very, our nickname nobody knows, may be because he comes from that land. He's a great poet.

Tamala Krsna: Kavi.

Mr. Bose: Kavi. In the mission only he is to poet, no other sannyasis and nobody, even not Prabhupada, any sannyasi. But he realized it. He always used to address him. How much love he saw, Prabhupada. Yesterday I spoke, yesterday night. The greatest living export that has been brought down by God, it is what Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada. He is the living export, Indian culture... [Transl. the message which he propogated there first] ...in the world.

He is the literary living translator and implemented and carried out by single person. And that single person is so much infested and imbued with such a divine power. None of us can do. It is impossible. Practically it is impossible. The Prabhupada's unfulfillment mission has been fulfilled by this Vedanta Prabhupada.

Srimad-Bhagavata, all quotes, quotations, praising this all types of the power, all propagating the hari-nama. And it is all-powerful by him. So there is a medium of literature, medium of professor, medium of the cinema, but still, medium of the personality who in impartially presented it himself. And you, all people, that attracted by his transcendental personality.

Nobody, social religions; there are many authorities and leaders have gone there, and social-religious reformers who practice the yoga, jnana, karma, etcetera, etcetera. But the one person imbued and empowered fully, transcendental form, by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu Himself, and by his guru, Prabhupada.

I realized it. It is not that... Nobody can empower. And as a result our this Vaisnava culture installing the Supreme as Krsna pronounced as the master to worship Him. The nama... He fulfilled the propagation of this cult of the nama, and then more powerful... Means that he is the more loved. This kirtana, and more, saṅkirtana.

These three things themselves teach us, though in one word-krsna-nama-saṅkirtana is one faith. But still it has the three aspects-Krsna, then nama, then kirtana, then saṅkirtana. So he has, in his life, he exhibited, he translated, and in the world he has given this Krsna.

He has given this Krsna. He has given the nama. He has given the kirtana, the saṅkirtana which we have seen this morning, the saṅkirtana, bahubhir militva. Wonderful. In the Caitanya-caritamrta...

Prabhupada: So you have got assets. You have got parentage. Everything you have got. Now do something. You have come. It is a good association.

Mr. Bose: Yes. I will do.

Prabhupada: Satam prasaṅgan mama virya-samvidah [SB 3.25.25].

[break] But they have dedicated their life to Krsna. That is their qualification. Bhajate mam ananya-bhak sadhur eva sa man... [Bg 9.30].

So their association is sadhu-saṅga.

Mr. Bose: Real association place. [break]

Bhagatji: [Transl. There is no hot air blowing Srila Prabhupada.]

Prabhupada: Hun?

Bhagatji: [Transl. No hot air blowing. Up until now. The whether is still cool. It remains cool at night.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yesterday I noticed it was cool in Delhi.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This is water melon from Kesi-ghata.]

[Prabhupada takes prasadam]

Bhagatji: [Transl. From Kesi-ghata. May not be so sweet now.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Because it rained.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Like this I will take some fruits.]

Tamala Krsna: So good. Is there any good cow's milk available?

Visvambhara: Oh, so much brahmana has brought so many cows.

Prabhupada: He has now kept some.

Visvambhara: Many cows we have got now. One Dhananjaya bought, she is giving thirteen kilos, fourteen kilos.

Prabhupada: [to Mr. Bose: Trans_ Stay here. There will be no shortage of anything.]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Okay.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Eat and live comfortably, and help in the management.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Prabhupada, should I bring some milk?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Not now. Not now. Can't put anything in the stomach. We have no shortage of anything. If managed properly, it will be great.]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. I will take responsibility in the management. Whatever you say I will do. I give you my word.]

Prabhupada: Take him as…

Mr. Bose: Management.

Prabhupada: [Transl. So that everyone loves you. Live comfortably and worship the Supreme Lord Hari. I am not telling you to do me any favor.]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. No, no. By your blessings I will ... may I spend the rest of my life in the service of the Lord.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. We also have good place to live. If anyone wants to serve Lord Hari, it's good. He can do so without any anxiety. People from all standard. And who can have better standard than these people?]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Nowhere in the world.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Nobody has better standard than what we follow in all of our Mathas.]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Not only standard, yours is unique standard. Trancendental standard. Each and everything. It's very different. It cannot be compared with others. It won't be wise to even compare it with others. How many people can understand what you have given to the world? Except the most fortunate. Only those who are fortunate, they have joined.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Have you seen our judgment?]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Pardon?]

Prabhupada: Judgment, Supreme Court, America.

Mr. Bose: [Transl. The one you gave last time?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No. No.]

Mr. Bose: [Transl. Then? You have anything latest?]

Prabhupada: [to Bhagatji: Trans_ Did he not give you in writing?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. What?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. In Hindi?]

Aksayananda: [Transl. We have got it in the temple.]

Prabhupada: And what about that Hindi translation?

Tamala Krsna: That judge is making?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Tamala Krsna: That has to be sent. We don't have it yet.

Prabhupada: [Transl. We found a judge also in Rishikesh. We happened to meet a judge. So we have asked him to translate the judgment.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. About what Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. The judgment which the American government issued. You haven't seen it?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. You received a judgment from America?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. It's a very important judgment. This is also a mercy of the Supreme Lord. I said "We will fight the case." So much money has been spent. Otherwise everything will be spoiled. I told them "Sir, first you read all the statements in our books and then you issue the judgment.]

[break]

Prabhupada: "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." So restaurant is going on in new building? No.

Aksayananda: Evening, up till ten o'clock.

Tamala Krsna: In the new building? In this building.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Tamala Krsna: It's in the guesthouse. There weren't many people there, though. Only about five people at lunch.

Aksayananda: Today.

Prabhupada: People are not coming.

Aksayananda: It's up and down, Prabhupada. Sometimes it's full. One day it's full; one day it's nothing. It's not steady. This is the problem. We always invite them. We go to the people personally and invite them, and they come.

Prabhupada: Anyway...

Tamala Krsna: I think the waiters could have been better. They're not very...

Aksayananda: I can snap them up.

Tamala Krsna: They should be a little bit more businesslike.

[background discussion] [break]

Prabhupada: ...see Radha-Damodara temple.

Aksayananda: That would be nice.

Tamala Krsna: Maybe tomorrow, if this Jayasacinandana goes the first time, I can go with him. I know Gauracanda a little bit, so I can, you know, just, as your secretary, send your greetings to him. He'll appreciate that.

Aksayananda: He'll appreciate.

Tamala Krsna: I think what I'll do is I'll go at the time when I know they're supposed to be making that offering. That way, I'll see if it's being done. Little spy work. What time is that offering made? Noontime?

Devotee: Yeah, noon.

Tamala Krsna: Twelve?

[pause]

Prabhupada: Then they can bring little prasadam from there.

Tamala Krsna: Okay. From the plate that's offered to you?

Prabhupada: Yes, from... [break] [end]