Room Conversation

November 15, 1976, Vrndavana
(Hindi conversation) [break]
Hari-sauri: So this is a... In the battle between the demigods and the demons.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Hari-sauri: The verse was
tesam padaghata-rathanga-curnitad
ayodhanad ulbana utthitas tada
renur disah kham dyumanim ca chadayan
nyavartatasrk-srutibhih pariplutat
"Translation: Because of the impact on the ground of the legs of the demons and demigods and the wheels of the chariots, particles of dust flew violently into the sky and made a dust cloud that covered all directions of outer space, as far as the sun. But when the particles of dust were followed by drops of blood being sprinkled all over space, the dust cloud could no longer float in the sky."
Prabhupada: Hm.
Hari-sauri: "Purport: The cloud of dust covered the entire horizon, but when drops of blood sprayed up as far as the sun, the dust cloud could no longer float in the sky. A point to be observed here is that although the blood is stated to have reached the sun, it is not said to have reached the moon. Apparently, therefore, as stated elsewhere in Srimad-Bhagavatam, the sun, not the moon, is the planet nearest the earth. We have already discussed this point in many places. The sun is first, then the moon, then Mars, Jupiter and so on. The sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the earth, and from the Srimad-Bhagavatam we understand that the moon is 1,600,000 miles above the sun. Therefore the distance between the earth and the moon would be about 95,000,000 miles. So if a space capsule were traveling at the speed of 18,000 miles per hour, how could it reach the moon in four days? At that speed, going to the moon would take at least seven months. That a space capsule on a moon excursion has reached the moon in four days is therefore impossible."
Prabhupada: (chuckles) So my reason is alright?
Hari-sauri: Oh yeah.
Prabhupada: Modern scientists (Hindi—about challenge)
Guest: (Hindi conversation)
Prabhupada: Whatever Mars going? Finished.
Hari-sauri: Yes. They don't put anything about it now.
Guest: (Hindi conversation)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Grapes are sour. Full of sand. (Hindi conversation) [break]
Devotee: ...thirty-six thousand students so it's in a very, very nice area, just for the type of people we'd like to reach, you know, intelligent. And also it's a... Actually what it is, it's a motel that's had its, you know, it has no business there. It's surrounded by other more expensive...
Prabhupada: So there is one building within the land?
Devotee: No, it's like...
Prabhupada: What is this?
Devotee: OK, this here's a diagram here, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: This is the street right here and you enter here and there's buildings here, you know, for a restaurant.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Devotee: Right here. We're going to make a...
Prabhupada: That is already there.
Devotee: Yes. We're going to make an extension of Govinda's Restaurant.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: And here you have the offices where you can make an apartment and here we have thirty units, small, about the same size as the rooms upstairs.
Prabhupada: Ah.
Devotee: Which is good for like asrama, you know.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Devotee: It's not luxurious, it's just small rooms. In here we have a small swimming pool.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Devotee: It's not too big. And all these are fully grown trees with, there's some palm trees here. Then in the back...
Prabhupada: (indistinct) for the trees are here.
Devotee: Yeah, did you see the tree? OK. In the back here, this is, we have fruit trees, different types of fruit trees like a...
Prabhupada: Oh, very, very good.
Devotee: Pomegranate, you know and some peaches and plums.
Prabhupada: Pomegranate is a very nice fruit.
Devotee: Yes. And this area right here is more or less empty and available for... These are small bushes here, these are small bushes. So we are proposing to construct a temple right about in here, then use the rest of the land for farming and growing flowers for Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. You are destroying these trees.
Devotee: Well, see these trees, they're not real tall all the way, there's...
Prabhupada: Oh, this is green also.
Devotee: Yeah, this is greenery around here and occasionally there's a big tree and then along the back here's...
Prabhupada: Big trees are this side.
Devotee: Yeah, exactly, and also in here around this area and around in here. And in the back here we have like a small desert garden with cactus and different things.
Prabhupada: It is desert?
Devotee: No, it's not a desert but that's the way this rear portion has been landscaped, you know.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Devotee: It's made to look like a desert but it's actually very lush and it looks a lot bigger than two acres.
Prabhupada: (indistinct) ...these things are (indistinct), you can keep cows. Eh?
Devotee: I'm not sure if we can keep cows in there because it's inside of the city and sometimes they don't allow the cow within a certain zoning. And now the only problem we might run into with this is that it's not zoned right now for a church or a temple but...
Prabhupada: Don't say "temple."
Devotee: Excuse me.
Prabhupada: You say "community project."
Devotee: Community project?
Prabhupada: Community project.
Devotee: Oh, community project. Well...
Prabhupada: Don't say church.
Devotee: OK. But the thing is if... The first thing that it can be rezoned for is a church and a temple.
Prabhupada: There is no need of rezoning because we are Krsna, Hare Krsna community. So wherever we live we worship Krsna. It is not a public show, it is our own private worshiping Deity. I can keep Deity in my home. Just like Christian Deity, Mary, Jesus Christ, in the room. There is no objection.
Devotee: I don't think there's any objection to that but according to Gunagrahi (indistinct-mic noise) ...problem, San Diego, like the government there doesn't approve too much of them and each time they try to buy a nice piece of land, you know, somehow...
Prabhupada: That's why I say, "Don't call it temple."
Devotee: Don't call it temple.
Prabhupada: No, community project.
Devotee: Community project.
Prabhupada: Project. That's all.
Devotee: OK. I can tell them that. But he says...
Prabhupada: We are just establishing a community project. But because we are Hare Krsna people so wherever we live we worship Krsna, that's all. Don't say temple.
Devotee: Don't say temple.
Prabhupada: No.
Jagadisa: A problem may come if they say, "But you invite people to come."
Prabhupada: Friends I must invite. For feast. This is our community project.
Hari-sauri: Once you're in there, then it's... In Melbourne we told them that it's just strictly private, it was going to be like a monastery, there was just going to be a few monks who were going to do our worship, like that. And then when we were in we just had the Sunday feast and everything and everything was fine.
Devotee: Well actually, the way...
Prabhupada: Sathe sathyam samacaret. That is that if the other is cheat, you become cheat. Why you should be honest? Sathe sathyam samacaret.
Devotee: Well, in this case actually I don't think there will even be a problem if we said "temple." Because...
Prabhupada: That is your... I say, "Don't declare it a temple." It is our community, living quarters, residence, that's all. We live like this, our style of living is this. How you can...?
Guest: Just like the usual was doing something at home.
Prabhupada: Yes. Don't say it is temple. That's all. (chuckles) Kill law by law. (indistinct) ...and safest position is that you don't say it is a temple.
Devotee: Well actually we're not coming on to them like we are, you know, Hare Krsnas or anything like that. We are going in karmi clothes.
Prabhupada: No, no, there are many communities, grhastha, in our Hare Krsna movement. We don't say...
Devotee: According to the escrow we say that we want to build like some sort of a church and the zoning laws for that particular area... Now if you want to rezone, the only thing that's allowed to rezone for is for churches and temples, they have it written.
Prabhupada: You can take help from Detroit. He knows very well. That was rezoned. You did it.
Jagadisa: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. He knows everything. That was a residential quarter. Now we have made it a temple.
Devotee: So we...
Prabhupada: What is the process?
Jagadisa: Well we had, because we were dealing with a Ford, the grandson of Henry Ford, because he was wealthy, he had a lawyer friend who had a connection in the zoning board so...
Prabhupada: Influence.
Jagadisa: Yes.
Prabhupada: But what was the law point? You cannot influence by...
Jagadisa: No, we... The point was that that particular property was secluded. By making it a multi-residential dwelling with a public worship facility there was no inconvenience to the neighbors. That was the main thing. We went around to all the neighbors in the neighborhood. We got them to sign a petition saying they had no objection to our holding meetings there and having multi-residential and that was our strongest, besides our connection with this lawyer, having the neighborhood support was our strongest weapon. And the neighbors all were very warm.
Prabhupada: The black people, they are simple. They are not so (indistinct). If they are satisfied...
Jagadisa: We gave them prasadam and a little chanting and they were satisfied.
Devotee: Actually the neighbors around here, all along here are businesses on either side.
Prabhupada: Then they'll suffer?
Devotee: Then there's no... Actually even if we ask for rezoning, they cannot refuse us because according to their laws the only thing that this particular land can be rezoned for, number one on the list is churches and temples. But...
Prabhupada: No, you do it, but if there is doubt you can say, "No temple."
Devotee: Right, right.
Prabhupada: (indistinct-talking together) ...take the name of a temple.
Devotee: This is a minor problem in this case. It used to be a major but it's minor now.
Prabhupada: Community project. That's all. We are Hare Krsna community, it is our project. We live together, that's all.
Devotee: Jaya. Well I'll pass that along to Gunagrahi.
Prabhupada: I think I went to San Diego.
Devotee: Yes, about two years ago.
Prabhupada: Mm. So...
Devotee: You see...
Prabhupada: There is a big park, San Diego.
Devotee: Balboa Park. You had one lecture there.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. So how far it is from the park.
Devotee: About ten or fifteen miles. You see it is more in, away from the ocean and it's located right in the middle of this college community where most of the residents are students of the university and the university has...
Prabhupada: So you can get the chance of attracting students.
Devotee: Oh yes, yes of course, this is a main thing there of the location is in being around the student community.
Prabhupada: San Diego seaside, I went. There are so many swimming clubs.
Devotee: In La Jolla.
Prabhupada: The underneath, under within water they're swimming.
Devotee: Skin-diving, underneath the water.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: San Diego.
Guest: San Diego. (indistinct)
Prabhupada: What is this?
Jagadisa: It's in California. San Diego, California.
Prabhupada: No, what's...
Devotee: See, at the present moment the San Diego temple, they used to have two buildings and they have been more or less evicted from the main building and they had to move the Deities to the residential quarters and they had to move all the brahmacarinis out to another building.
Prabhupada: Oh, they have left that building?
Devotee: Yeah, they left that building, the main building and now the Deities are in the one over, the which used to be the residential quarters and it's just a little small room and it's very...
Prabhupada: Inconvenient.
Devotee: Very inconvenient.
Prabhupada: So start this temple.
Devotee: So this is in escrow now, it's already started and it will take ninety days and it all depends on the rezoning.
Jagadisa: The zoning has been applied for?
Devotee: Yes, it's been applied for and the chances of them refusing us is very slim.
Jagadisa: When is their next meeting?
Devotee: I really couldn't say, I don't know but it will be soon. There's one boy who's working on it. I forgot what his name is. I have a bad memory for names. But anyway, I and some friends of mine would like to construct a temple right here.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Devotee: Right there, just...
Prabhupada: Do, according to choice.
Devotee: And we were thinking about a design like a large dome.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: You know and then on each corner, kind of like, what do you call those?
Devotee: Cornice?
Devotee: You know with a little thing. And then right in the middle of the dome, we want to put like a big gold, not real gold but you know, gold-colored thing with flags.
Prabhupada: Flags.
Devotee: Put flags on the top. Right exactly. This was our initial idea.
Prabhupada: So why don't you make a temple like this? You see?
Devotees: (indistinct-talking together) ...attractive point.
Prabhupada: But then you cannot deny that it is not a temple.
Devotee: Yeah, that's true. Actually...
Prabhupada: Best thing is this type temple.
Devotee: Like here. With three domes. Well see, it all depends on the cost. I have some cost estimates here that... We figured out it's somewhere between thirty and forty dollars per square foot to build.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: Now if we build a temple that's 6,500 square feet, quite a large size, that would come out to $260,000 and on down to 3,600 square feet which would be about $144,000. I've collected about $100,000 on my own and I have another person who promised somewhere between fifteen and twenty-five and by the time that three or four months have... Actually we couldn't build until about six or seven months anyways so by this time...
Prabhupada: (indistinct) ...that Krsna will (indistinct) money.
Devotee: Also another thing, this is... You may remember when you were in Los Angeles last time, Krsna-kanti and Mangalananda asked you if they could do this contemporary style music with Krsna lyrics. So this is the very first copy. Actually there's not much to see it's just like any other album. This is the first test pressing.
Hari-sauri: He has a cassette which you can listen to some time if you want.
Prabhupada: Yes, I can listen. Play it.
Devotee: You would like to hear something?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Hari-sauri: It's done to like modern popular music.
Prabhupada: Mm.
Hari-sauri: With the lyrics about Krsna.
Prabhupada: Why don't you keep one record player.
Hari-sauri: Well record players are a bit bulky to carry. They have it on cassette.
Prabhupada: No, this time anyone comes, ask them to bring one record player. Japanese record player is very cheap.
Devotee: Yeah, I think that's a good idea to have because all these albums are coming out now.
Hari-sauri: But you can get them all on cassette...
Prabhupada: Between fifteen dollars, sixteen dollars.
Hari-sauri: We can't carry it all. We've got so much baggage we couldn't possibly carry all...
Devotee: Actually cassette is more practical.
Hari-sauri: These cassettes we can get, we can have everything on cassette.
Prabhupada: All right.
Devotee: OK, this is... Actually they're probably sent by (indistinct). This is quite nice too. (Change of Heart starts to play—break)
Prabhupada: Yes. (voices in background)
Hari-sauri: This is a small swimming pool and palm trees. (more background voices)
Prabhupada: (Hindi conversation) the epidemic is not going to stop.
Devotee: No. Prabhupada, I've been given a cow, in America.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Devotee: This Yamuna Devi?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: One of her cows, Premadhana. She's given it to us. We've had it now for five or six and we have built a nice area for her. We have ten acres of land for her to roam around on. She's very happy.
Prabhupada: So take your country (indistinct) Krsna conscious. Then surely we shall get the government. This is the prediction of a politician, "Krsna conscious, the Hare Krsna movement is spreading like a epidemic. That I'm afraid within ten years they'll get the government."
Devotee: I know.
Prabhupada: If the young man joins, immediately.
Hari-sauri: If they find out that that's our actual plan...
Prabhupada: Why you should not need? It must have. Hare Krsna party. You have got Democratic Party, Republican Party, another party, Hare Krsnas. Bas.
Devotee: Prasadam party.
Prabhupada: No, Hare Krsnas. That will be main thing. At least they will criticize Hare Krsna and chant Hare Krsna. (laughter) That's all. We want. (Sanskrit) It is said that. (Sanskrit) If we respect chanting, it is very good, even by neglecting chant, that is also good. Just like Ajamila, he chanted. He never meant "Narayana." He meant his son, but he got result. Ante narayana smrtih [SB 2.1.6]. He never meant that he's calling for Narayana. He did not follow up bhakti. But Narayana took care of it that "Now anyway he's chanting 'Narayana.' He must come to Vaikuntha."
Devotee: This is what (indistinct) in San Diego.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is Sixth Canto. Hm?
Devotees: Sixth.
Prabhupada: First verse.
Devotee: (enters) There is one gentleman, Mr. Saxena, he is retired inspector of schools from Rajasthan.
Prabhupada: Oh, he has come?
Devotee: Yes, shall I call him?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jagadisa: He wrote me a letter. He met one of our travelling parties and he heard that I was here and he was interested to, in our educational program. So I invited him to come here, perhaps to teach Hindi, and so he's here.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: Prabhupada, this is some honey, this is from my wife. And this is from Visakha, Yadubara's wife from Los Angeles. She asked us to... And this is from all the devotees in San Diego, this is ghee.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Guest: Cow ghee?
Devotee: Yes. They heard that you were in need of some ghee, so they have... (indistinct) (pause)
Prabhupada: That's all right. (Hindi conversation) [break]
Guest: (Hindi) ...doctor, high specialist. He's in charge of high department. [break]
Prabhupada: ...acari prabhu jiveri sikaimu, you cannot teach others if you are not fixed also. Otherwise it will be useless. It is useless, apani acari prabhu jiveri sikaimu. If you are fixed up in principles, then you can teach others that principle. That will be effective. If you smoke, and if you tell others that "Don't smoke," that is useless. That is useless. [break] ...first of all give up this habits, bad habits then you can teach, it will be effective.
Mr. Saxena: (indistinct) ...of life.
Prabhupada: You can prepare little daliya, that's all. (Hindi) Unfortunately they do not try to understand the science of Krsna.
Mr. Saxena: (Hindi) Vidhi.
Prabhupada: Vidhi ne. One must know... Vidhi, that practical and theoretical. So vidhi, mostly theoretical and when you practice it, it is jnana, vijnana. Jnana, vijnana. So jnana means theoretical knowledge and vijnana means practical application.
Mr. Saxena: Is religion a practical knowledge?
Prabhupada: Religion means, that I was discussing, religion means the law given by God. That is religion. They do not know it. They do not know what is God, they do not know what is the words or order of God. Whole world is like that. They profess some religion but religion means the law of God. But if they do not know what is God, then how he'll understand the law of God? That means there is no religion. All cheating. Dharmah projjita kaitavo, the Bhagavata rejects all kinds of so-called religious system, accusing that they're all cheating. Cheating, all cheating. If you do not know God, what is the meaning of their religion? It is simply cheating. If you have accepted a style of religion without any understanding of God, then it is simply you have been cheated. And that is going on. Everywhere. (Hindi)
Mr. Saxena: I have been to all these four corners of India, Badarikasrama, Ramesvaram, Jagannatha Puri and Dvaraka and he told me what they say, Visvavarupa Sankaracarya, he's in Puri Sankaracarya and (Hindi) ...and about 800 rooms in that Paratmaniketan.
Prabhupada: Eight hundred?
Mr. Saxena: Eight hundred rooms. Very big temple and the daily income is about more than 1500 rupees per day, donation. I still get from three months. His speech is at nights, their sannyasis. But if you see that practical life, you realize all this tirthas, what you call? They are no more tirthas now. All (indistinct) use that word shopping centers, what we call. I have been to the Sivananda Ashram. Some Cidanandaji is there. Sivanandaji is no more. When I went to Yoganiketan, there is one Gangesvarananda...
Prabhupada: Cidananda.
Mr. Saxena: Cidananda is there.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Mr. Saxena: He is a disciple of Swami Sivananda, Divine Life Society.
Prabhupada: He is dead now?
Mr. Saxena: No, Sivananda is dead.
Prabhupada: Not.
Mr. Saxena: Cidananda is the in-charge of that institute, Divine Life Society. There is another Yogesvarananda. There is Upaniketan trust. They are having three years' course for regular yoga. And there is some (indistinct) Mahesh Yogi, transcendental meditation (indistinct) samadhi. I lived there for fifteen days, tried to get something out of that. Everywhere I found there is no... We are after peace. There is no peace there.
Devotee: Prabhupada, you say that religion is the law of God. So that means there can only be one religion.
Prabhupada: Yes. God is one, (indistinct) for everyone. (indistinct) Yes.
Devotee: So all others are just contaminated.
Prabhupada: No, if they follow the rules, God, God said that "You just surrender unto Me."
Devotee: So natural laws.
Prabhupada: This is the religion. God says that "You surrender unto Me." This is religion. So if one does not know what is God and where to surrender, then where is religion? Is it wrong for God to say that "You surrender unto Me"? Can you say like that?
Mr. Saxena: How, how can you say?
Prabhupada: If God is the supreme, He has the right to say like that. Just as the government can say that "Must obey." So if the government can say this, the head of the supreme government, if He says that "You surrender." What is wrong there?
Mr. Saxena: Nothing wrong.
Prabhupada: And that is clear. Simple, two words. Unfortunately they want to deny God. They take the place of God, all these Mayavadis. Anandam, mostly. So that is rascaldom. How you can take the position of God?
Mr. Saxena: (indistinct)
Prabhupada: But they want to take the position of God. "Everyone is God. I am God, you are God." This is they are claiming.
Mr. Saxena: Bhagavan Rajneesh.
Prabhupada: So many rascals. Why Rajneesh? There are many other.
Mr. Saxena: There are others, Satya Sai Baba, and so many others.
Prabhupada: This is going on. What? People also do not ask that "How you become God?" That's also so foolish. They accept any rascal as God. That Rajneesh, what he is? He advertises "Bhagavan," and there are many rascals, they accept him. What he has done? (Hindi)
Mr. Saxena: How to stop it then?
Prabhupada: Stop, but unless you are intelligent, how it can be stopped? If the people are not intelligent, the cheaters will cheat. It is very...
Mr. Saxena: But Swamiji, mostly educated persons, Ph.D, D.Litt., M.A., postgraduates, they are the followers of this.
Prabhupada: Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is said, mayayapahrta-jnana. They are supposed to be very learned but actually they're fools, mayayapahrta-jnana. These so-called educated, they are bereft of knowledge. They have no common sense. That I was asking this debauch, as God. That also ignorance. He does not know what is God.
Mr. Saxena: Yes, because education is no education now.
Prabhupada: He does not know. We have got the definition of God,
aisvaryasya samagrasya
viryasya yasasah sriyah
jnana-vairagyayos caiva
sannam bhaga itingana
(Visnu Purana 6.5.47)
Aisvaryasya samagrasya, that one who is in possession of all the wealth, viryasya all strength, all faith yasasah, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation, that is God. Now so far Krsna is concerned, He showed all these things. Aisvaryasya... For example Krsna married sixteen thousand wives and for each wife a different palace. And for each wife ten sons. Woman requires very nice accommodation, sons, husband, that is their ambition that He fulfilled, although he married sixteen thousand one hundred and eight wives. This is aisvaryasya samagrasya viryasya. This so-called rascal Bhagavan, who has shown this? Why shall I accept this cheap god? Show me something that you are God. Seven years old Krsna, He lifted the Govardhana hill. (Hindi) There is, but they have no knowledge to compare with the idea of God. So far knowledge is concerned, Bhagavad-gita, left by Krsna, it is adored all over the world. Especially nowadays we are presenting Bhagavad-gita As It Is, and millions of copies we are selling. Now we are advertising, where is that picture? Million, 1.5 million.
Devotee: 1.5 million copies.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) 1.5 million, the Krsna Book we have sold.
Jagadisa: Krsna Book is taken from 10th Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, summary study.
Prabhupada: Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, up to date since 1970, we have sold 1.5 million.
Devotee: And every day we sell more.
Prabhupada: Ha, yes. All these Krsna consciousness books, we are selling daily five to six lakhs of rupees. All over the world. I have estimate. That religious book (Hindi). It is full of religion and philosophy, still they are selling.
Mr. Saxena: That is an achievement.
Prabhupada: We have got, not only in west outside India, in India, we have got standing order from all universities, libraries, and many other places. Complete standing order value is 40,000 rupees.
Mr. Saxena: This is one aspect, of course, appreciable, but another aspect is that of teaching. That should be...
Prabhupada: Teaching is going on.
Mr. Saxena: I mean for teaching too. As far as books...
Prabhupada: Seven centers, hundred centers.
Mr. Saxena: Yes, there should be centers too, could give right interpretation to all these things. Because interpretation means, everybody is not in contact with Sanskrit.
Jagadisa: But in the books Srila Prabhupada has given elaborate purports.
Prabhupada: Word to word meaning. You have seen our books?
Mr. Saxena: I have not seen this.
Prabhupada: Show him. Now it is already there in the book. This is Bhagavad-gita As It Is.
Mr. Saxena: Now he prepares to go out.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Mr. Saxena: He prepares to give us some inspirational power so that we may go out and teach all these things to those persons. First we should be able enough.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jagadisa: (showing book) Sanskrit, English transliteration, word for word.
Mr. Saxena: I see.
Jagadisa: Translation and purport so anyone who doesn't know Bhagavad-gita can read, "Bhagavad-gita is the widely read theistic science..."
Mr. Saxena: Thank you, thank you, thank you. You must have also this missionary spirit. (Hindi conversation) So I am at your disposal now.
Prabhupada: Yes. You give him one single room. So we have given word to word meaning, translation, purport. This book also we are selling, millions.
Mr. Saxena: I see.
Prabhupada: We have published the small book and big book, eighty-four.
Mr. Saxena: Eighty-four. In that film I saw, that how those foreigners, they are working in the press and preparing all those books and sending abroad, I have seen that film. The only request is this that you once make us away from this samsaya. Samsayatma vinasyati. There should be no samsaya...
Prabhupada: If you increase your attachment for Krsna, then it will automatically. Param drstva nivartate [Bg. 9.59]. There is a verse of Rupa Gosvami that one gopi is warning another gopi that
smeram bhangi traya-paricitam saci-vistirna-drstim
vamsinyastadhara-kisalayamujjvalam candrakena
govindakhyam haritanumitah kesitirtho 'pakanthe
ma preksisthastava yadi sakhe bandhu-sange 'sti rangah
There is govindakhyam haritanum, standing in kesitirtho 'pakanthe, with flute and smiling and with the moonshine it has become, He has become very, very bright. So, but don't see, don't see. Why? Provided you have the desire no more your association with so-called society, friends. If you have got desire to enjoy society, friendship and love of this world, then don't see. The purport is that anyone who sees Krsna actually, he loses interest in this. So therefore, we must increase our interest in Krsna, then automatically...
Mr. Saxena: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Ma preksisthastava yadi sakhe bandhu-sange 'sti rangah. If you want to enjoy the company of your society, friendship, and love, then don't see. It will be finished. For this reason they are now bringing charges against us that we are spoiling these young men by brainwash. There is great opposition in the United States to our movement that we are spoiling these young men by giving some speculation, controlling over their mind, and simply injecting some ideas in their brain, brainwash.
Mr. Saxena: (Hindi conversation)
Prabhupada: Who said this?
Mr. Saxena: I don't remember.
Prabhupada: Then it is very popular phrase.
Mr. Saxena: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: The thing is anyone who may accept. That means he did not believe in the Deity worship. That is a fact. So how a real devotee can condemn Deity worship?
Mr. Saxena: Yes.
Prabhupada: Naraki-buddhi. This has been described, arcye visnau sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati buddhir. Naraki-buddhi.
Mr. Saxena: Naraki.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Mr. Saxena: I think now you require rest.
Devotee: (indistinct)
Mr. Saxena: (indistinct) put into so much strain during your rest hours. (indistinct) I will know the timetable.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jagadisa: I will give you.
Mr. Saxena: Yes, you will give me. So I'll keep this one for my room.
Prabhupada: No, you cannot keep. This is a sample.
Mr. Saxena: Accha.
Prabhupada: Pictures you can get, not...
Mr. Saxena: Ah, yes, yes, it makes no difference. Your preachings are more than pictures.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.
Devotee: Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: Jaya.
Jagadisa: Srila Prabhupada, I've been considering... You told me to think about... (end)

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