November 17, 1976, Vrndavana
Prabhupada:Bhagatji may go to Hyderabad. I am sending him.
Aksayananda: That will be a great loss for me.
Prabhupada: Therefore I said that you must be able to compensate yourself.
Aksayananda: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: You should know how, especially dealing with the municipality men. [break] For Radha-Madhava?
Caranaravindam: Something to do with Radha-Ramana Mandira in Vrndavana. I think one is Purusottama. Anyway, the first night we did a very nice program, kirtana, and everyone was joining in dancing with us. We were dancing and they were all joining. And the second night they cancelled our program. We were trying to sell books in the front of the pandal and they were giving us trouble for that.
Prabhupada: Oh, they are envious.
Caranaravindam: They are envious. Very envious.
Prabhupada: Why you joined them?
Caranaravindam: I did not know. I thought it would be a good opportunity. They promised me they would give us a good program and good accommodation. When we got there, they did not like that we were very popular. (tape breaks up throughout) Then Mr. Bishop (indistinct) brother, T.C. [break] ...tour, he is a good man. He came with... [break] He is one of the most respected men in Bareilly. He forced them to put the program back again. So we did again the same evening. The people there love our program. They are all supposed... They have pictures of Caitanya Mahaprabhu on the stage and they're supposed to be following Him but they sing all these sahajiya sort of songs and they sit down and it's all grhasthas. There's no, There's no real...
Prabhupada: They want business.
Caranaravindam: Just a business. We also had a program with Dr. Gupta (?). That was a nice program. And his wife she cooked some Bengali prasadam for us. We took our lunch there. That was very nice.
Caranaravindam: Yes. But his son... His house, they have so many pictures of Ramakrishna and Sai Baba. His son is telling him to not follow the same like his father. And his father did not speak. He only spoke about three words. He's suffering from some rheumatism or something. Anyway, we had a good kirtana there. [break] No, I never say, I never say.
Aksayananda: But all the people who are Sai Baba followers, they all do have some activity in the mode of ignorance. They eat meat or onions. By their symptoms, we can see that they're in the mode of ignorance.
Caranaravindam: ...at Meerut by Mr. Brijmohan Gad. He has come. He's in our guesthouse now. Actually he just came here this morning. We stayed in his house. That's was also a good... That is a good town also. Altogether we made fifteen life members in about two weeks. [break]
Prabhupada: ...bring Hindi books.
Caranaravindam: Yes, we need Hindi books. I met one man in Meerut, Hindi...
Prabhupada: Our Bhagavad-gita?
Caranaravindam: Yes. And he is the brother of, he said, I think the nephew of Ksirodakasayi dasa Adhikari in London. His name is Mr. K.M. Gupta. I think he has taken initiation from you.
Prabhupada: I don't think. K.M. Gupta has given. Ksirodakasayi is my...
Caranaravindam: And he said that you have seen his one chapter of his translation and have approved it.
Caranaravindam: No, is that not true? I asked him for a copy but he said that he only had one copy he was sending to London and one he was keeping for himself.
Prabhupada: Oh, he is translating.
Caranaravindam: Yes. And he said if we wanted a copy we could send a man and he could copy it down. He's done the first three chapters.
Aksayananda: What did he say his initiated name is?
Prabhupada: He is not initiated.
Caranaravindam: The man who is translating is not initiated. His uncle, Ksirodakasayi dasa.
Aksayananda: How many your program up to?
Caranaravindam: How many boys? Of our boys, we were seven.
Prabhupada: Indian, or?
Caranaravindam: There was one Indian boy but he was very sick. We took him with us. He was very sick so I sent him back here to Vrndavana. I took him because he had given one class in Hindi in the temple and Maharaja said that you had liked that. He was too sick. Physically and mentally sick.
Aksayananda: He's okay now. [break]
Prabhupada: No cloud. In the street it is very disturbing. [break] ...party, they are also touring? No.
Caranaravindam: They have groups in different towns. They have in Birelli and Harpur. They don't travel and preach. I've met them in Ghaziabad also. They were the same. They were very envious, and they would not help. Also in Harpur they were the same. [break]
Prabhupada: Like our poison, (?) more. Mm?
Caranaravindam: Oh yes. The people are gullible. They do not know. They are more attracted to us. But we are not always there.
Prabhupada: Occasionally, you find cities. [Break] You cannot speak Hindi, still they like? Huh?
Caranaravindam: They like us.
Prabhupada: They like our kirtana.
Caranaravindam: Yes, kirtana, they like. [break]
Prabhupada: Seven person you took in a car?
Caranaravindam: Some of the boys went in a bus. We had a bus also.
Caranaravindam: That belongs to Yasodanandana Swami.
Prabhupada: Bus, why do you take the car?
Caranaravindam: Well, the bus is not with me. My program is separate from the bus program.
Prabhupada: What is that separate.
Caranaravindam: Now the bus is gone to Bombay.
Prabhupada: Why you should take two cars? [break] Where you are staying?
Caranaravindam: Some of us stayed in Anand Ashram. There is one asrama there called Anand Ashram in the civil lines.
Prabhupada: So what is that asrama? Anand Ashram?
Caranaravindam: They have got Deities of... They have got... In the main bhavana they have got Lord Siva and Parvati in the center, big deities. And then they have got Radha and Krsna at the side and Rama and Sita on the other side. They also told me to go. After some days they said we had to go. They did not like us. And we did not do anything wrong.
Aksayananda: After how many days?
Caranaravindam: After about one week.
Aksayananda: Usually three days.
Prabhupada: They were feeding you?
Prabhupada: Oh. Why they did not like?
Caranaravindam: It's difficult to say. I think it is envy. The swami who was there...
Prabhupada: He's a Mayavadi.
Caranaravindam: Yes, he's a Mayavadi. He did not like it when the other people take an interest in us.
Aksayananda: And they see that people are giving us money too. (Prabhupada laughs) Actually wherever we go, with a few exceptions, wherever we go, after the third day we just suddenly become unwelcome even though we behave all right. The third day is about the limit.
Aksayananda: There are a few exceptions.
Caranaravindam: They were nice to us there.
Prabhupada: They are nice. Once I had been there.
Caranaravindam: Yes, they told me you had been there. That is why they are nice to us. Wherever you have been there has been some change of heart. In Indore there is some definite effect from that. (end)
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