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Morning Walk

March 11, 1976, Mayapur
Prabhupada: ...take shelter at the lotus feet of Nitai. Nitai-pada-kamala, koti candra susitala. Because the shelter is so cool, a thousand times cooler than the moon.... Where is that..., Yasomatinandana? He is not here? Yesterday he met Madhava Maharaja. So he had some talks. (chuckles) In that talk he mentioned that "Your Guru Maharaja was previously a businessman, so.... And we are, from our childhood, we are Vaisnava. So therefore he is doing business and getting money."
Devotees: Whew.
Harikesa: Kick him on the face.
Prabhupada: (chuckles) No, don't say like that. But the thing is.... Business means.... Business means four things. Yes, we are businessman. I was student of economics. I know how to do business, and the business principle means you require four things: land, labor, capital, organization. So, ordinary man cannot do that. Otherwise, everyone would have done some business and become millionaires. But it requires these four things: land, labor, organization, and capital. So where you have got these? You have neither land, neither capital, neither place. So how you can do business? I am doing business because I have got all these things. I went to America-land. Then I worked-labor. Then I earned some capital, and I have got brain how to do it. (to Lokanatha) Hare Krsna. So why you are becoming paramahamsa? This is paramahamsa dress.
Lokanatha: Yeah, I have to dye it today.
Prabhupada: Don't become paramahamsa immediately. Paramahamsa is the last stage of sannyasa. First stage is kuticaka. Second stage is parivrajakacarya. Third stage is.... No, first stage is kuticaka. Then second stage is bahudaka, bahudaka. And third stage is parivrajakacarya, and fourth stage is paramahamsa. Therefore paramahamsa stage is the topmost.
Lokanatha: They have got white? Do they wear white?
Prabhupada: They are not under any rule and regulation, paramahamsa. Paramahamsa means, just like mlecchas and yavanas, they are not under any rules and regulation. Similarly, a paramahamsa is also not under any rules and regulation. He can do whatever he likes. Sastra is not meant for him. Avadhuta. He is not in the material world, mahabhava. So that is the last stage of sannyasa. Kuticaka means when from family life, vanaprastha, and then one takes sannyasa, that is kuticaka. Kuticaka means he does not remain at home but goes outside home, outside the village area and makes a kuti, cottage, and lives there. But because he is not accustomed to beg, from his house some foodstuff is sent. Just like you are sending to that Sharma some food? This is kuticaka. But after some time, when he's little experienced, then he goes from door to door: "Give me a piece of bread." Madhukari. Madhukara. Madhukara means the bee, honeybee. What is called?
Harikesa: Bumblebee.
Prabhupada: Bumblebee. He collects little honey here, little honey there, wherever.... And not one place so much honey. So this is called bahudaka. Not to collect lump sum, food, from anywhere. To any grhastha a sannyasi can go: "Please give me a little piece of bread." So that is not difficult. "All right, take." Because many sannyasi may come, so it is not burden, little piece. So as soon as it is sufficient piece, that's all. It is called bahudaka. Then, when he's further experienced, then preaching country to country, place to place, go on preaching. That is parivrajakacarya. And when he has sufficiently preached, then he can sit down anywhere. That is paramahamsa. [break] ...system. In every big temple there is shenai. All through the year, morning, night, not only temple, rich man's house. And they are so nice player that early in the morning, people, the resident, will rise by hearing the shenai. And at night they will go to bed and sleep hearing the shenai.
Jayapataka: Was that early in morning or late at night?
Prabhupada: No, other time also. But this time especially.
Lokanatha: They also used to keep cock, hens and the cock.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] What is called? Alarm bell. Cocks. "Ka-ka-ka: Get up please." "Ka-ka-ka." Nature's alarm.
Guru-krpa: Sometimes they crow, though, at twelve o'clock at night.
Prabhupada: Just to cheat you because you sleep more. (laughter) Because you sleep more, to cheat you. You do not rise early in the morning; therefore they are engaged sometimes to cheat you. [break] ...found a very nice house in London. Jayatirtha is going to take the credit of purchasing it.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, we found a very nice house in London, and you're going to get the credit for purchasing it. Just see.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jayatirtha: Well, if Krsna desires.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everything Krsna does, but one takes credit. That's it.
Jayatirtha: We think that we're the doer, but actually Krsna is the doer.
Prabhupada: Harer nama [Cc. Adi 17.21].
Tamala Krsna: There's been a feeling that all year their hard work has all become worthwhile simply by coming here.
Prabhupada: Hm. Yes. Make it more.... Therefore I wanted first of all this house, not the temple, because where they'll stay? They'll come to the temple. Where they will stay? If you get staying place, then you can act your brain and improve. And if you are harassedno placethen brain will not work. Therefore I wanted first of all the residential place. And they criticize me, "Oh, you did not construct temple first." And a temple of the devotees is first, our temple. Then God. God will come if there are devotees. Tatra tisthami narada yatra gayanti mad-bhaktah. Unless there is devotee, where is God? God is not a stone. Any stone is God? Unless there is devotees, there's no God. Therefore, without devotee: the idol, this is idol worship. That is not worship. Therefore they cannot understand what is the form, what is the distinction between form of the Lord and idol. They do not know how to worship in devotion. Ye yatha mam prapadyante [Bg. 4.11]. They are thinking, "It is stone, and God is remaining here, stone. He will never speak," because they are not devotee. If you become devotee.... Just like Saksi Gopala. For devotee He went to give witness, "Yes, I'll walk." That is God. And if you are not devotee, how you can expect the stone statue is walking? You have read that Saksi Gopala?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, very nice.
Prabhupada: Yes. Gopala was saying that "You are asking Me to go to give witness. Do you think a statue can go?" So he is devotee. He said, "Yes, if statue can speak, he can go also." So he had firm faith. So Krsna had pledged him, "Yes, I'll go."
Tamala Krsna: I think you also have that firm faith, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: No, without firm faith there is no beginning of God worship.
Devotee: Nistha.
Do you not read this?
Jayatirtha: Yes.
Prabhupada: Sraddha, this faith, means so strong faith that one will know it perfectly well that simply by worshiping Krsna, everything is there. That is the beginning of faith. Otherwise there is no faith. And without faith there is no beginning. Adau sraddha. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sangah [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. If you have got that firm faith, then next stage is to live with, to deal with devotees. Then the faith will increase because by seeing their behavior your faith will be increased. Then bhajana kriya. Wherefrom this shenai was...?
Sudama: Vaikunthanatha temple.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Sudama: Originally he came from the Vaikunthanatha temple, Calcutta.
Tamala Krsna: He's staying up in that...
Bhavananda: They're in the front.
Prabhupada: They are expert in Madras.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, when we went to Nellore, remember they were greeting you each time with shenai.
Prabhupada: Yes. Very good.
Pancadravida: Very expert in South India.
Prabhupada: You can engage a company, three, four men, for all the year.
Jayapataka: So they should.... Before mangala arati they should begin playing.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yes, in Madras.
Tamala Krsna: What is the idea behind this shenai-playing early in the morning?
Prabhupada: It is very pleasing to hear.
Jayatirtha: Jaya.
Yasodanandana: Many temples also in South India, they have all the functions in the morning-waking up the Deity, bathing the Deity, dressing the Deity, they have different shenai tunes for that. Every temple.
Prabhupada: Yes. Similarly here introduce.
Guru-krpa: You should play your flute. Tamala Krsna knows how to play the flute.
Prabhupada: No flute.
Guru-krpa: He can learn to play the shenai, though.
Prabhupada: No, shenai, yes. Very good.
Tamala Krsna: There's a man here that's been here. He knows how to play shenai.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Tamala Krsna: I'm bringing him to Taiwan.(?)
Prabhupada: No, it is not difficult. Anyone can learn. Yes.
Lokanatha: [break] ...ing flute imitate Krsna or what?
Prabhupada: There is no flute. You say simply Krsna plays flute and nobody plays?
Lokanatha: You said no playing flute.
Tamala Krsna: Means in the morning.
Prabhupada: So they are coming here?
Jayapataka: Circumambulating the temple.
Prabhupada: That's nice. [break]
Tamala Krsna: ...very colorful with all the devotees.
Jayapataka: In South India, Srila Prabhupada, when the acarya goes out...
Prabhupada: So you are taking this bamboo down? This?
Jayapataka: It's already down.
Prabhupada: No, this down?
Jayapataka: Hah, down. Cleared out.
Prabhupada: So it is cleared. You men can live there.
Devotees in distance: Jaya!
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [break]
Jayapataka: They have big umbrella overhead.
Prabhupada: Yes, they did it. They did it in South India when I was there.
Tamala Krsna: In Nellore. That was wonderful.
Jayapataka: We can make such arrangement?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Acaryopasanam. That is in the Bhagavad-gita. Acaryopasanam. It is not self-aggrandizement. The acaryopasana goes to Krsna directly. Therefore it is needed. Not that it is a pompous thing. Acaryopasana. Krsna says. That is the way of knowledge. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau [SU 6.23].
Pancadravida: How does that work, that if somebody has the association of a pure devotee for only a lava, one-eleventh of a second, that he attains all perfection?
Prabhupada: If he is so sincere.... Just like dried wood immediately ignites. And if it is moist, it does not. It is the quality of the wood. One takes three hundred years; one in three minutes. That's it. [break] One is dry from the material moist of contamination, he becomes immediately ignited in spiritual...
Tamala Krsna: What is that drying process?
Prabhupada: Drying process is for many, many years one has tried to become Krsna conscious, for many, many lives, bahunam janmanam ante [Bg. 7.19]. When he actually becomes man of knowledge he surrenders unto God. Otherwise he is lost. His drying process may take three minute or three millions years.
Guru-krpa: But that knowledge that Krsna is everything comes by Krsna's mercy, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Krsna's mercy is already there, but if you are not able to take it...
Pancadravida: Then you don't even have to hear from a self-realized soul. Simply by seeing him you can become completely purified.
Prabhupada: Yes. Both required. The matches must be also all right, and the wood must be also. Then there is fire. If one of them is defective, then, it will not.... But when you go to the fire, you become dry. But willfully we put again water. This nonsense business makes us late. This process is already there, how to become dry. But instead of taking the process, we put water. Then how it will be ignited? The rules and regulations is the drying process. But without following the rules and regulation, if you again become a victimized by maya, then there is water and again dry it. So this is going on, watering and drying, watering and drying. No staightforward process for drying. That will help. But difficulty is that we dry and again water.
Visnujana: Srila Prabhupada, how did Chota Haridasa achieve perfection by killing himself after apparently pouring water on his devotional creeper by talking to a woman?
Prabhupada: His instance was that even an associate of Caitanya Mahaprabhu can fall down. And if one falls down, his punishment is that, suicide. There is no other punishment. He must commit suicide. This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's instruc.... Otherwise he is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's personal servant. He cannot fall down. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu showed this instance that "Even one is My personal servant, he can fall down." And if anyone by any cause he falls down, his punishment is he must commit suicide. This is instruction.
Tamala Krsna: Very strict.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. "You have fallen down? You must commit suicide. No more My association."
Pusta Krsna: Is that the same as in the Bhagavad-gita where Krsna says, "For one who is honored, dishonor is worse than death"?
Prabhupada: Yes. That is another thing. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally taught this. To be victimized by maya is possi.... There is possibility.... Just like Jaya and Vijaya. They were gatekeepers in the Vaikuntha. They also fell down, Hiranyakasipu. So this falldown, there is possibility in any moment because we are very small. We can be captivated by maya at any moment. Therefore we shall be very, very careful. And if you fall down, then punishment is you make suicide. That's all. Then next life we shall see.
Satsvarupa: But Srila Prabhupada, in The Nectar of Devotion it says devotional service is so pure that there's no prayascitta necessary. Just again engage in your service.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is not prayascitta. This is exemplary punishment. He was not liable to be punished, but they played that "This is the.... This should be done."
Guru-krpa: He did not kill himself immediately. He waited for a year.
Prabhupada: He was waiting if Caitanya Mahaprabhu would accept him again. But when he saw that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not so lenient, he committed suicide. Vajrad api katora. Harder than the thunderbolt and softer than the rose. This is the position.
Tamala Krsna: But, Prabhupada, if you were as strict as.... If you were that strict...
Prabhupada: No, I am not Caitanya Prabhu. I am not.... Why you are comparing me? I am an ordinary man.
Guru-krpa: So in ISKCON, if someone falls down, it means that he should commit suicide?
Prabhupada: No.
Gurudasa: We wouldn't have much of a movement, then.
Pusta Krsna: We're too attached to our bodies anyway, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: No, no, if he falls down, that is automatically suicide. If he falls down, that means it is suicide. He got the chance. If he falls down, that is suicide.
Guru-krpa: Spiritual suicide.
Prabhupada: Spiritual suicide. If one gets the chance of becoming eligible for going back to home, back to Godhead, and if he commits mistake and it is stopped, is it not suicide?
Guru-krpa: You once gave the example, Srila Prabhupada, of taking your plane off the ground and then bringing it back to land again.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Guru-krpa: You once gave the example that you take your plane to a destination, and you have to turn around and come back and start all over again, take off again.
Prabhupada: There are so many. Drdha-vrata. Bhajante mam drdha-vrata. So we should be very strong-minded and continue our devotional service very strongly.
Tamala Krsna: Gargamuni's doing some transaction.
Prabhupada: Gargamuni...
Jayatirtha: I think he went to see about the electricity. He said that he was going to go early this morning to see about the electricity, why it is always going off.
Prabhupada: Oh, Garga, garga means "big jug," and "money," full of money. Big jug full of coins. Formerly they used to...
Tamala Krsna: Keep.
Prabhupada: Not.... Cheat the government. There was no income tax, but still they used to keep in big, big jugs all gold coins and put into the..., underneath the ground. Nobody could understand where is the money. Very easy thing.
Pancadravida: Hoarders.
Prabhupada: And he did not disclose at the time of death; then it remained. And then, after some years, somebody digging, he got.
Tamala Krsna: There's a nice example given in Nectar of Devotion about the digging for a treasure.
Prabhupada: Hm? Yes. [break] ...shenai on the gate, that is nice. Jayapataka?
Tamala Krsna: Jayapataka.
Jayapataka: Yes, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: They should play shenai on the gate, and here kirtana will go on, not that kirtana will be stopped to hear their dundubhi.
Tamala Krsna: Shenai is not a replacement for kirtana.
Prabhupada: No. Shenai is meant for.... That is navadhana. That is called navadhana. [break] ...must be played. Not this dundubhi. They are playing as a dundubhi. That will not work. And along with shenai they can play.
Madhudvisa: Getting his reeds together. (shenai starts)
Tamala Krsna: [break] ...businessman.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. We are selling Bhagavatam; they are selling fish. (end)

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