January 21, 1976, Māyāpura
Prabhupāda: Still, if you say, "You are mūḍha," they become angry. Such mūḍhas, rascals, they are in the government service. And if you say that "You are mūḍhas," he becomes angry. Upadeśo hi mūrkhāṇāṁ prakopāya na śāntaye: "If a mūḍha is advised nice instruction, he becomes angry." He does not take it. Payaḥ-pānaṁ bhujaṅgānāṁ kevalaṁ viṣa-vardhanam: "If you give milk and banana to a snake, you simply increase his poison." One day he will come-(growls). You see? "I have given you milk and you..." "Yes, that is my nature. Yes. You give me milk, and I am prepared to kill you." This is mūḍha. We have to kill this civilization of mūḍhas. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām [Bg. 4.8]. Those who are actually human being, you have to give them Kṛṣṇa. And those who are mūḍhas, we have to kill them. This is our business. Kill all the mūḍhas and give Kṛṣṇa to the sane man. Yes. That will prove that you are really Kṛṣṇa's. We are not nonviolent. We are violent to the mūḍhas. [break] ...wal, did you come here before?
Indian man (1): No, sir.
Prabhupāda: Do you like this place?
Indian man (1): It's very nice.
Prabhupāda: [break] ...here for some time. You'll like it very much. [break] ...you all that in this center very nice foodstuff is supplied, and nobody becomes sick. Everyone complain, "I am sick because I am eating too much," or "no eating." Why? No eating or eating too much should be avoided. Simply you eat what will keep your health nice. That is eating. No eating is also not advised, and overeating is also not. Atyāhāraḥ prayāsaś ca. Yuktāhāra-vihārasya [NoI 2]. Yuktāhāra, not atyāhāra. Yukta. Where is this Śāstrī? He's sleeping?
Prabhupāda: [break] ...possible for us to challenge the whole world that "You are all fools." Huh? Is it possible?
Prabhupāda: No, no, they don't care for Vedic. That is another foolishness. You have to present. You have to prove them fools by practical. And otherwise, "Who cares for your Vedic instruction?" they will say. Why they should... "We have got our own instruction." That is preaching. If you quote simply Vedic literature, they will think, "We can quote many others."
Bhavānanda: But they are filled with anxiety and we are not.
Bhavānanda: They are filled with anxiety.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the way of presentation. You have to present in such a way that he will accept that "What you are saying, you are right." That is preaching. [break] ...cepting our books because they are seeing, "Yes, here is practical explanation," not that because it is Bhāgavata. What do they care for Bhāgavata?
Prabhupāda: No. And why they should accept Bhāgavata? We are not accepting Bible, so why they should accept Bhāgavata? That is no argument. You must present the Vedic knowledge in such a way that they will be obliged to accept: "Yes, it is right." [break] ...something, Mr. Agarwal, that "Nobody complains about eating," you will do a great service, I tell you. Everyone will come and say, "Oh, such a nice food." They will come here for eating, if not for anything. [break] You were proposing about our Vṛndāvana. So if this thing is done, that the eatables are very nice, then visitors will come. Otherwise this manager, that manager, this manager will not help you. Phalena paricīyate. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Jayapatākā: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Harikeśa: There are a lot of restaurants in America which are very far away from the general mass of people, and because they have very high reputations, people come from miles around there.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This tongue is very, what is called? Susceptible? No?
Prabhupāda: Not voracious. They want very palatable things, the tongue. Tā'ra madhye jihwā ati, lobhamoy sudurmati, very greedy. So if you supply them kṛṣṇa-prasādam at the same time to satisfy their greediness, then you conquer. This is the secret.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Yes. Automatically he becomes devotee: "No, we shall become, remain here." This is the secret. Why the woman is liked? Because the woman, if she is trained up to give satisfaction to the tongue, to the belly and the sex, straight line, she becomes favorite immediately. This is woman's business. And people are hankering. The karmīs especially, they are hankering after these three things: palatable dishes, fill up belly, and sex. That's all. If the woman can do it, she conquers over the husband immediately because these three things they want. Take things very practically. Hm? Am I wrong or right?
Jayapatākā: You are always right.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Tā'ra madhye jīhwā ati, lobhamoy sudurmati, tā'ke jetā kaṭhina saṁsāre, kṛṣṇa baṛo doyāmoy, koribāre jihwā jay, swa-prasād. So prasādam should be so nice that he'll (be) conquered. He'll not go to the restaurant; they will come to Māyāpura. I have seen in Japan. Who is? You were... Where you were staying, that place?
Sudāmā: Which place, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No, no, far away from the city.
Sudāmā: Oh, yes, yes. Takal, outside of Tokyo, we had our temple.
Prabhupāda: So there were hotels?
Sudāmā: Yes. Yes. One bird restaurant.
Prabhupāda: Yes, bird. They are coming from fifty miles to eat there. So eating is so strong. If you prepare nice foodstuff and the flavor goes to hundred miles away, then they will automatically come. This is practical. Only for satisfaction of the tongue, there were special buses bringing them, and they were coming, full load of bus, to eat that jungle birds.
Devotee (2): Jungle birds. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Yes. The birds are available in the city, the fowls and cocks, but they wanted to eat the jungle birds. Just like there are men. They get sex pleasure at home; still, they go to the prostitutes. Very beautiful wife, but he goes to the prostitute. Taste is such bad.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He had very good wife, young wife, and he became a victim to a prostitute and lost all brahminical culture. So if you create prostitute in the society, where is the hope of brahminical culture? There is a story that a gentleman... Not gentleman, a rascal. He was rich, and he was going to the prostitute. So the wife inquired that "What is wanting in me that you are going to the prostitute?" You know that story? "No, I go there because she dances, sings." So she learned dancing. So in this way, one after another, drinking, dancing, this, that. Still, he was going. The wife learned everything. Then when she said, "Now I have learned whatever you wanted. Still why you are...?" "No, one thing. I cannot express that." "What is that?" "You do not abuse my father and mother. That you cannot do." These prostitutes, they abuse the father and mother. In Bengal it is known, rakta kedara vega.(?) They address like that. Then she said, "All right. Stop. I am no more your wife. I cannot abuse your father and mother. That is not possible. I have learned everything for your satisfaction, but I cannot learn this thing." The prostitute will not only abuse the paramour but his father, mother, family, everything, culture.
Prabhupāda: And he enjoys: "Oh, so kindly she is abusing. It is love."
Prabhupāda: [break] They are being watered regularly, eh? [break] ...the neighbors, they do not like to sell, so don't bother. Let them keep it green. We shall see it. While walking we shall see all green at their expense. (laughter) Don't be eager to purchase. Just see. As soon as we began this digging, immediately he came down one thousand. And if you really purchase, he'll come and give at three thousand dollars. And he was asking six thousand. They came to seek some service. If it is possible, then give them, engage them. They said, "You are giving employment, so many." Is it possible?
Jayapatākā: They can carry sand.
Jayapatākā: They can carry sand by bullock cart.
Prabhupāda: If possible, engage him in some permanent work.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And then also, see... Engage that Ghosh also, who sold us... Kappa Ghosh?
Jayapatākā: They all want to carry sand.
Jayapatākā: They all want to carry sand.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Only?
Jayapatākā: No. Jagad Ali also will take a permanent work.
Prabhupāda: So that sand we shall do because our work should go on.
Jayapatākā: Kappa Ghosh never sold us any land.
Jayapatākā: He never sold us any land.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that land you said, told me, some Ghosh.
Jayapatākā: That was Balai Gosh.
Jayapatākā: But Kappa Gosh is... [break]
Prabhupāda: By association. If the devotees are real devotees, then by their association they will become devotees. Saṅgāt sañjāyate kāmaḥ. What is that verse?
Prabhupāda: What is that verse, Śāstrījī?
Prabhupāda: So this is the material side. Similarly, spiritual side also, the same. Ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅgo 'tha bhajana-kriyā tato 'nartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. If the sādhu-saṅga is there, then gradually he becomes a devotee.
Jayapatākā: [break] ...looking for a job. He worked for two months and then became devotee. He never took even salary.
Prabhupāda: Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42]. This is the process. If one comes in contact with devotee or God, then he is simply satisfied by the service. No return. Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce. [break] ...guru?
Sudāmā: Śrīla Prabhupāda, these workers are coming.
Prabhupāda: Ghosh wanted to give us land that side for making a path to the Ganges.
Jayapatākā: Sell us.
Prabhupāda: Ah, yes. So we have got a plan beginning from this gate up to the Ganges. If we get land we can do that. [break] Foundation stone in Nellore can be transferred to Madras?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Madras is far better place than Nellore. [break] ...if we take charity from such fallen woman, then we have to share his sinful activity. Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But our Kṛṣṇa can eat even fire. If there is forest fire, Kṛṣṇa can eat. Unless He is able to eat others' sinful reaction, how He says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg. 18.66]? He is capable; otherwise how He can say like that?
Prabhupāda: Yes. [break] Ask the grill men to come and prepare grills for all the windows.
Jayapatākā: Is that... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa's money can be used for that?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. You simply give him account. You will get as much money as you require. [break] ...think that you must be assured that it is going to be finished before the festival. Otherwise don't engage so many men uselessly. Take assurances that it will be finished. Then make so many people engaged. Otherwise there is no need. Only fifty men is sufficient.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember with the first building what we did is with the contractor, the labor contractor, we held back a little bit of his money on the guaranteed.
Jayapatākā: These are not contractors.
Prabhupāda: Contractor or no contractor, but you be assured. Otherwise don't engage.
Jayapatākā: He said we can finish all the brick work in two weeks.
Prabhupāda: I don't not know what they say, but I want finished within two months. Then engage so many men. Otherwise why you are uselessly...?
Prabhupāda: So if they cannot assure that, then keep only fifty men.
Jayapatākā: We can get everything finished except for the plumbing and the...
Prabhupāda: No "except."
Jayapatākā: So then it is not possible. I can't do plumbing until everything is finished. Then only I can do the plumbing.
Prabhupāda: So far plumbing, of course, not very important. That can be done later on. They can use other...
Prabhupāda: Toilet. But they must be habitable. They may pass their stool on the...
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is not... But this must be habitable. Otherwise what is the use of engaging so many men?
Bhavānanda: Electricity is no problem.
Prabhupāda: Electricity also can be temporarily, immediately fixed up. That is not difficult. [break] ...saying that "Our work will go on." If you cheat us in this way, then I will not engage you."
Prabhupāda: Yes. But you must finish everything within that period. Plumbing and electricity we shall see. That is not very important. But it must be habitable. So if he thinks that it is possible, then let him go. Otherwise you engage only fifty men. [break] ...he cannot say, "There was no money." That is not possible. If you pay money, he must give the result. (end)
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