Prabhupada: Still, if you say, "You are mudha," they become angry. Such mudhas, rascals, they are in the government service. And if you say that "You are mudhas," he becomes angry. Upadeso hi murkhanam prakopaya na santaye: "If a mudha is advised nice instruction, he becomes angry." He does not take it. Payah-panam bhujanganam kevalam visa-vardhanam: "If you give milk and banana to a snake, you simply increase his poison." One day he will come-(growls). You see? "I have given you milk and you..." "Yes, that is my nature. Yes. You give me milk, and I am prepared to kill you." This is mudha. We have to kill this civilization of mudhas. That is Krsna consciousness movement. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. Those who are actually human being, you have to give them Krsna. And those who are mudhas, we have to kill them. This is our business. Kill all the mudhas and give Krsna to the sane man. Yes. That will prove that you are really Krsna's. We are not nonviolent. We are violent to the mudhas. [break] ...wal, did you come here before?

Indian man (1): No, sir.

Prabhupada: Do you like this place?

Indian man (1): It's very nice.

Prabhupada: [break] ...here for some time. You'll like it very much. [break] ...you all that in this center very nice foodstuff is supplied, and nobody becomes sick. Everyone complain, "I am sick because I am eating too much," or "no eating." Why? No eating or eating too much should be avoided. Simply you eat what will keep your health nice. That is eating. No eating is also not advised, and overeating is also not. Atyaharah prayasas ca. Yuktahara-viharasya [NoI 2]. Yuktahara, not atyahara. Yukta. Where is this Sastri? He's sleeping?

Tamala Krsna: No.

Prabhupada: Sick?

Gopala Krsna: He was in the class.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, he doesn't sleep at this...

Prabhupada: [break] ...possible for us to challenge the whole world that "You are all fools." Huh? Is it possible?

Harikesa: Yes.

Gopala Krsna: Based on the scripture. You can show Vedic...

Prabhupada: No, no, they don't care for Vedic. That is another foolishness. You have to present. You have to prove them fools by practical. And otherwise, "Who cares for your Vedic instruction?" they will say. Why they should... "We have got our own instruction." That is preaching. If you quote simply Vedic literature, they will think, "We can quote many others."

Bhavananda: But they are filled with anxiety and we are not.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bhavananda: They are filled with anxiety.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the way of presentation. You have to present in such a way that he will accept that "What you are saying, you are right." That is preaching. [break] ...cepting our books because they are seeing, "Yes, here is practical explanation," not that because it is Bhagavata. What do they care for Bhagavata?

Tamala Krsna: They never heard of Bhagavata.

Prabhupada: No. And why they should accept Bhagavata? We are not accepting Bible, so why they should accept Bhagavata? That is no argument. You must present the Vedic knowledge in such a way that they will be obliged to accept: "Yes, it is right." [break] ...something, Mr. Agarwal, that "Nobody complains about eating," you will do a great service, I tell you. Everyone will come and say, "Oh, such a nice food." They will come here for eating, if not for anything. [break] You were proposing about our Vrndavana. So if this thing is done, that the eatables are very nice, then visitors will come. Otherwise this manager, that manager, this manager will not help you. Phalena pariciyate. Hare Krsna.

Jayapataka: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Harikesa: There are a lot of restaurants in America which are very far away from the general mass of people, and because they have very high reputations, people come from miles around there.

Prabhupada: Yes. This tongue is very, what is called? Susceptible? No?

Harikesa: Voracious.

Prabhupada: Not voracious. They want very palatable things, the tongue. Ta'ra madhye jihwa ati, lobhamoy sudurmati, very greedy. So if you supply them krsna-prasadam at the same time to satisfy their greediness, then you conquer. This is the secret.

Gopala Krsna: You conquered a lot of devotees by prasadam.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yes. Automatically he becomes devotee: "No, we shall become, remain here." This is the secret. Why the woman is liked? Because the woman, if she is trained up to give satisfaction to the tongue, to the belly and the sex, straight line, she becomes favorite immediately. This is woman's business. And people are hankering. The karmis especially, they are hankering after these three things: palatable dishes, fill up belly, and sex. That's all. If the woman can do it, she conquers over the husband immediately because these three things they want. Take things very practically. Hm? Am I wrong or right?

Jayapataka: You are always right.

Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Ta'ra madhye jihwa ati, lobhamoy sudurmati, ta'ke jeta kathina samsare, krsna baro doyamoy, koribare jihwa jay, swa-prasad. So prasadam should be so nice that he'll (be) conquered. He'll not go to the restaurant; they will come to Mayapura. I have seen in Japan. Who is? You were... Where you were staying, that place?

Sudama: Which place, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: No, no, far away from the city.

Sudama: Oh, yes, yes. Takal, outside of Tokyo, we had our temple.

Prabhupada: So there were hotels?

Sudama: Yes. Yes. One bird restaurant.

Prabhupada: Yes, bird. They are coming from fifty miles to eat there. So eating is so strong. If you prepare nice foodstuff and the flavor goes to hundred miles away, then they will automatically come. This is practical. Only for satisfaction of the tongue, there were special buses bringing them, and they were coming, full load of bus, to eat that jungle birds.

Devotee (2): Jungle birds. (laughter)

Prabhupada: Yes. The birds are available in the city, the fowls and cocks, but they wanted to eat the jungle birds. Just like there are men. They get sex pleasure at home; still, they go to the prostitutes. Very beautiful wife, but he goes to the prostitute. Taste is such bad.

Tamala Krsna: Like Ajamila. Ajamila.

Prabhupada: Yes. He had very good wife, young wife, and he became a victim to a prostitute and lost all brahminical culture. So if you create prostitute in the society, where is the hope of brahminical culture? There is a story that a gentleman... Not gentleman, a rascal. He was rich, and he was going to the prostitute. So the wife inquired that "What is wanting in me that you are going to the prostitute?" You know that story? "No, I go there because she dances, sings." So she learned dancing. So in this way, one after another, drinking, dancing, this, that. Still, he was going. The wife learned everything. Then when she said, "Now I have learned whatever you wanted. Still why you are...?" "No, one thing. I cannot express that." "What is that?" "You do not abuse my father and mother. That you cannot do." These prostitutes, they abuse the father and mother. In Bengal it is known, rakta kedara vega.(?) They address like that. Then she said, "All right. Stop. I am no more your wife. I cannot abuse your father and mother. That is not possible. I have learned everything for your satisfaction, but I cannot learn this thing." The prostitute will not only abuse the paramour but his father, mother, family, everything, culture.

Tamala Krsna: And he enjoys it.

Prabhupada: And he enjoys: "Oh, so kindly she is abusing. It is love."

Tamala Krsna: That means completely perverted enjoyment.

Prabhupada: [break] They are being watered regularly, eh? [break] ...the neighbors, they do not like to sell, so don't bother. Let them keep it green. We shall see it. While walking we shall see all green at their expense. (laughter) Don't be eager to purchase. Just see. As soon as we began this digging, immediately he came down one thousand. And if you really purchase, he'll come and give at three thousand dollars. And he was asking six thousand. They came to seek some service. If it is possible, then give them, engage them. They said, "You are giving employment, so many." Is it possible?

Jayapataka: They can carry sand.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Jayapataka: They can carry sand by bullock cart.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: He's got a bullock cart and a nice house. He is...

Prabhupada: If possible, engage him in some permanent work.

Tamala Krsna: He was a good friend.

Prabhupada: Yes. And then also, see... Engage that Ghosh also, who sold us... Kappa Ghosh?

Jayapataka: They all want to carry sand.

Prabhupada: Sand?

Jayapataka: They all want to carry sand.

Prabhupada: Oh. Only?

Jayapataka: No. Jagad Ali also will take a permanent work.

Prabhupada: So that sand we shall do because our work should go on.

Jayapataka: Kappa Ghosh never sold us any land.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Jayapataka: He never sold us any land.

Prabhupada: Yes, that land you said, told me, some Ghosh.

Jayapataka: That was Balai Gosh.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Jayapataka: But Kappa Gosh is... [break]

Tamala Krsna: ...bring these people into, all Krsna bhaktas.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: They may go under the banner of Muslim and so many other things, but actually...

Prabhupada: By association. If the devotees are real devotees, then by their association they will become devotees. Sangat sanjayate kamah. What is that verse?

Tamala Krsna: Dhyayato visayan pumsah sangat sanjayate... Dhyayato visayan pumsah...

Prabhupada: What is that verse, Sastriji?

Tamala Krsna: Second Chapter.

Prabhupada: So this is the material side. Similarly, spiritual side also, the same. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sango 'tha bhajana-kriya tato 'nartha-nivrttih syat [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. If the sadhu-sanga is there, then gradually he becomes a devotee.

Jayapataka: [break] ...looking for a job. He worked for two months and then became devotee. He never took even salary.

Prabhupada: Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace [Cc. Madhya 22.42]. This is the process. If one comes in contact with devotee or God, then he is simply satisfied by the service. No return. Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace. [break] ...guru?

Sudama: Srila Prabhupada, these workers are coming.

Prabhupada: Ghosh wanted to give us land that side for making a path to the Ganges.

Jayapataka: Sell us.

Prabhupada: Ah, yes. So we have got a plan beginning from this gate up to the Ganges. If we get land we can do that. [break] Foundation stone in Nellore can be transferred to Madras?

Gopala Krsna: Yes, that's what I'm going to do.

Prabhupada: Yes. Madras is far better place than Nellore. [break] ...if we take charity from such fallen woman, then we have to share his sinful activity. Yes.

Gopala Krsna: So we should be careful from whom we accept charity?

Prabhupada: Yes. But our Krsna can eat even fire. If there is forest fire, Krsna can eat. Unless He is able to eat others' sinful reaction, how He says, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami [Bg. 18.66]? He is capable; otherwise how He can say like that?

Sastriji: Sva-raksita raksati yo hi garbhe.(?)

Prabhupada: Yes.

Sastriji: (Sanskrit)

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] Ask the grill men to come and prepare grills for all the windows.

Jayapataka: Is that... Tamala Krsna's money can be used for that?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. You simply give him account. You will get as much money as you require. [break] ...think that you must be assured that it is going to be finished before the festival. Otherwise don't engage so many men uselessly. Take assurances that it will be finished. Then make so many people engaged. Otherwise there is no need. Only fifty men is sufficient.

Tamala Krsna: I remember with the first building what we did is with the contractor, the labor contractor, we held back a little bit of his money on the guaranteed.

Jayapataka: These are not contractors.

Prabhupada: Contractor or no contractor, but you be assured. Otherwise don't engage.

Jayapataka: He said we can finish all the brick work in two weeks.

Prabhupada: I don't not know what they say, but I want finished within two months. Then engage so many men. Otherwise why you are uselessly...?

Gopala Krsna: Six weeks left.

Prabhupada: So if they cannot assure that, then keep only fifty men.

Jayapataka: We can get everything finished except for the plumbing and the...

Prabhupada: No "except."

Jayapataka: So then it is not possible. I can't do plumbing until everything is finished. Then only I can do the plumbing.

Prabhupada: So far plumbing, of course, not very important. That can be done later on. They can use other...

Gopala Krsna: Toilet.

Prabhupada: Toilet. But they must be habitable. They may pass their stool on the...

Tamala Krsna: Neighbor's land?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is not... But this must be habitable. Otherwise what is the use of engaging so many men?

Tamala Krsna: What about electricity?

Bhavananda: Electricity is no problem.

Prabhupada: Electricity also can be temporarily, immediately fixed up. That is not difficult. [break] ...saying that "Our work will go on." If you cheat us in this way, then I will not engage you."

Tamala Krsna: Yes, we have ten years' work to do.

Prabhupada: Yes. But you must finish everything within that period. Plumbing and electricity we shall see. That is not very important. But it must be habitable. So if he thinks that it is possible, then let him go. Otherwise you engage only fifty men. [break] ...he cannot say, "There was no money." That is not possible. If you pay money, he must give the result. (end)