April 13, 1976, Bombay
Prabhupada: We have already constructed for our residential quarters. That is already there, very big. Such a big building is not there in that district.
Indian man (1): (Hindi)
Pusta Krsna: Actually, Prabhupada is doing everything. We are simply like puppets. He tells us what to do. Transcendental management.
Indian man (2): Srila Prabhupada? Just in Bombay, what you are constructing, the gate, are they going to be like another Indian temples, only gates? Will they look like a big temple?
Dr. Patel: You mean those.... (Hindi) In south we have got those temples, gates. That is only common in southern India but not anywhere else. Gopurams.
Dr. Patel: Gopurams are not found anywhere else.
Indian man (2): (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: Ranganatha temple is in Vrndavana or in south?
Prabhupada: No, original, south. Here in Vrndavana also there is...
Dr. Patel: That was the temple where this, I mean, Ramanujacarya, they would.... That is Sri Rangapuram. [break]
Prabhupada: Not at all. It is a business.
Dr. Patel: People give them money.
Prabhupada: No, no, that money is utilized for business. They are so businessman that people go and sacrifice their hair, and they are selling.
Dr. Patel: That I know. They are selling hair to foreign countries. Selling hair.
Prabhupada: And they are investing money for so many business, not for preaching Krsna consciousness.
Dr. Patel: No, they're establishing colleges and Sanskrit...
Prabhupada: But college.... College is not Krsna consciousness.
Dr. Patel: Sanskrit Vidyalaya and Vedic institutions. They have one or two.
Indian (3): (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: You have gone for darsana? That side?
Prabhupada: We met station platform, means...(?) That is another thing(?).
Dr. Patel: Otherwise for common people, it is very difficult
Indian man (1): One man was waiting in a queue for four hours. Did not see. And he came back.
Dr. Patel: There is a fee. There is a fee for going.
Dr. Patel: They are fools, sir. You can go. I think one day I will have to go with them and fight out the whole case. These boys should be allowed. They follow the sanatana-dharma. And again in.... I mean, now the government has put the regulations that all the temples are open to all, anybody and everybody. How can they refuse? Who are at that matha, Jagannatha? Those people, they must be from Calcutta.
Prabhupada: Local men.
Dr. Patel: All the big temples in India have got management committees, practically people from various parts. Our own Jagannatha Puri, I mean, this, our Dvaraka temple is managed by people from Bombay. Bombay, Delhi, and many other places. So they must have all...
Pusta Krsna: Even one of our Indian men they stopped. Caitya-guru told me that when he went there they thought he was Westerner. They wouldn't let him in the second time he tried to go in.
Dr. Patel: This gentleman is coming before the judge of the Bombay high-court.
Dr. Patel: [break] No, no, no, don't. It should have been taken out, not here but there. That was not for, but that was the government of India wanted to construct an office for customs here, and we objected, that "You can't do it in the sea area where we have to..., on the beach." So they broke it down. You know that small.... It will not be.
Prabhupada: It can continue. It can continue.
Dr. Patel: They come down there and just stay for pleasure. Because this temple.
Prabhupada: No, no, nobody can stay without following our rules and regulations. That is not our...
Dr. Patel: Externally they may follow. They may be people, out of difficulty...
Prabhupada: It will be an institution for teaching spiritual life. So if he does not take the teaching, then it is not...
Dr. Patel: One thing, you must have a Sanskrit school.
Prabhupada: That we can have. Sanskrit is already there in the books.
Prabhupada: Now every gentleman knows English, so we have explained everything in English. There is no difficulty.
Dr. Patel: That is right, sir. But when you see, I mean, study a thing in English and study original language, you...
Prabhupada: Original language? Nobody can read Sanskrit nowadays. Even the Sanskrit panditas, they also cannot read. I have tried it. [break] It does not depend on understanding language.
Dr. Patel: That's right.
Prabhupada: Hearing. One who has heard, given oral reception nicely, he is perfect knowledge. Therefore our Vedas are known as sruti. You have to learn it by hearing, not by studying.
Prabhupada: Yes. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam [SB 7.5.23]. Janiya suniya visa khainu. Anyone who is not taking seriously to Krsna consciousness, he is purposefully committing suicide. It is not a sentiment; it is a scientific movement. But they do not care to understand. Therefore, purposefully they are committing suicide. Janiya suniya visa khainu, very appropriate word: "I have drunk poison knowingly." We shall return now?
Prabhupada: Hari hari bifale, janama gonainu. Jaya. "I am free. What can I...? Whatever I like, I can do," without knowing, prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27].
Dr. Patel: Ahankara-vimudhatma.
Dr. Patel: Once a man is free of ahankara, then he is...
Prabhupada: No, ahankara there will be, but ahankara-vimudhatma, thinking falsely something, that "I am this body." Therefore he's vimudha. They are animal. Ahankara is there, "I am Brahman, spirit soul." But he is thinking, "I am Indian," "I am American," "I am dog," "I am cat." Vimudhatma. And this first principle of knowledge they cannot understand. Mudha. Mudho 'yam nabhijanati loko mam ajam avyayam [Bg. 7.25]. [break] Man-mana. That is the only way.
Prabhupada: Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah: "To become My devotee means you shall think of Me twenty-four hours," man-mana. Then you become a bhakta. Not that meditation—I meditate fifteen minutes and twenty-four hours thinking of something else.
Dr. Patel: Then you never, I mean, even for, it is just like you, even for a moment you slip down, just like a (indistinct). It should be perpetual conscious within yourself.
Prabhupada: I have seen Gandhi's prayer meeting, and I attended. Utmost, five minutes reading Bhagavad-gita, then again politics immediately. Immediately politics. I was in Delhi. I attended the meeting when Nawa Khalia (Noakhali?) fast. So this was his prayer. I have seen. And as a result of this, in that prayer meeting he was killed. (Hindi) So nature punishment are there. (Hindi) The last stage of Kali-yuga means you die.
Dr. Patel: But the way the modern civilized nations are exploiting the resources of the world, another fifty years there will be no resources left, and civilization automatically will die out.
Prabhupada: Wars. The occasional war, pestilence, famine, that's all.
Dr. Patel: Even there is no war, sir, or no pestilence, the population...
Prabhupada: There will be war. Because you are dissatisfied, I am dissatisfied, on some little provocation we fight. Nobody is happy. I have seen in Allahabad. Little provocation, two brothers fought so much, one brother was killed immediately. Then, when he was ordered to be hanged, his father appealed that "I am the father. One son I have already lost. If he is hanged, then my.... You hang me, my good man(?)." Then he excused him and he actually was.... Upon the father's appeal. I have seen it.
Dr. Patel: They are very fortunate people.
Prabhupada: No, no, they were Bengalis.
Dr. Patel: Bengalis are highly, what do you call...
Dr. Patel: Abhimani.
Prabhupada: No, no. Everyone is abhimani, more or less.
Dr. Patel: No, but they are more than other. I think I am not wrong.
Prabhupada: No, no. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tridhatu... (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: You are pleading their case. (laughs)
Prabhupada: No, no, I mean to say they are little abhimana, but what kind of abhimana this is, that "I am God"? Just see how foolish it is. (Hindi) (greets someone) Hare Krsna. How are you? [break]
Indian: We are all right. Very glad to meet you.
Dr. Patel: This man is seventy-one years old.
Prabhupada: Jaya. [break] No, no, you can get, but other, mostly ninety-nine percent, they do not know Sanskrit, and if you ask them to learn Sanskrit and then read Bhagavad-gita...
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. I said teach Sanskrit through Bhagavad-gita.
Prabhupada: Oh, that we are doing.
Dr. Patel: That is what I said.
Prabhupada: That we are doing. We give each word's meaning. Each word of any Sanskrit sloka, we give the meaning. That is right.
Dr. Patel: That is the way I learned myself. I mean, a student of...
Prabhupada: If one is serious to learn, he can learn. There is no difficulty. No, dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre [Bg. 1.1]. Now, if he inquires, "The word is dharma-ksetra. Why it is written ksetre?" then it is grammar.
Dr. Patel: That is what I say. That is the way I learned.
Prabhupada: So that, if he likes, he can learn it. Saptami, adhikarana saptami, sthana, ksetra, ksetre, dharma-ksetre. If he simply tries to learn the nominative case, the objective case, or like that, then he'll learn.
Dr. Patel: (Sanskrit) Like that. All things in different ways.
Prabhupada: Sanjaya uvaca. It is nominative case. Dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samavetah [Bg. 1.1], this is plural number, yuyutsavah, plural number. Mamakah pandavas caiva [Bg. 1.1]. Pandavah is plural number, and when it is added with ca it becomes sca. The visarga... In this way he can learn. Eva, again sandhi. Mamakah pandavas ca eva.
Dr. Patel: My meaning was that. My idea was that...
Prabhupada: Yes. So any serious student, he can learn at home. It is not very difficult. And after studying one or two or a dozen sentences like that, automatically, yes, he learns sandhi, he learns verb, he learns subject, object, everything. No time, otherwise I would have made Bhagavad-gita grammar. Yes.
Dr. Patel: That is what I really meant when I say that...
Prabhupada: You can do that. You can do that. People will read it, Bhagavad-gita grammar. On the Bhagavad-gita teach them grammar. Just like Jiva Gosvami compiled Hari-namamrta-vyakarana, similarly, you write. You have got both the knowledge, Sanskrit, and through English, Bhagavad-gita grammar. People will take it. I have no time; otherwise I have done it. Simply nominative case, objective case, sabda-rupa. Jayapataka's plan is prepared or not?
Saurabha: We are going to do that today, Srila Prabhupada. [break]
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) That is taught by the mother.
Prabhupada: They are killing their children. In the Western countries the mothers are killing children, advising girls, daughters, "Oh, you are pregnant? Kill." (Hindi) (end)