Morning Walk – March 27, 1974, Bombay
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740327MW.BOM
Morning Walk
- March 27, 1974, Bombay 740327MW-BOMBAY [42:25 Minutes]
Dr. Patel: ...first thing they did was the tower.
Prabhupada: Why they could not make otherwise? Why like a bird?
Indian man (1): God only knows.
Dr. Patel: Krsna knows.
Prabhupada: Krsna knows. He has imitated Krsna's plan. Krsna has made so many birds. So you cannot make any other size. That is the version of the Vedanta. Janmady asya yatah. The original idea is from Krsna. You simply, you can imitate. That's all. Just like there are so many imitation birds. Similarly, everything is imitation. Everything is imitation.
Prabhupada: That is much improved. This is not so much improved.
Dr. Patel: And in good old days when the planes were not in existence, the Westerners thought that these were all fairy stories.
Prabhupada: That we are also thinking. "There is no Krsna. There is no [indistinct]." We are also thinking. [chuckles] Although we are big, big leaders, we are simply imitators of the Westerners. That's all. Western people are our father and mother. That is our modern Indian... Now, Western people are drinking wine; now the government is drinking. Gandhi stopped it, but "No, the Western people do it." Unless they drink wine, they cannot be very... They work...
Dr. Patel: Here they are all now alco...
Prabhupada: So Western people, Western civilization has become the father and mother of India.
Dr. Patel: They idolize.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: But they don't drink so much, I think, these people.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dr. Patel: These boys in Western...
Prabhupada: They are now introducing. Now, when it is introduced, they'll be accustomed. They'll drink day and night. Don't bother.
Dr. Patel: I have not got that experience. When I was a student in London University, the boys there, they drink, but not that much as they drink here. They are abusing it.
Prabhupada: Every..., every few steps there is a wine shop.
Dr. Patel: Now, every few steps... No, you can have that in your own home here. You give the minister ten thousand rupees of bribes for a license to... [break] ...serve in your home. That is..., it has been... [break]
Prabhupada: ...four things which we are prohibiting: illicit sex...
Dr. Patel: Wine drinking, meat-eating.
Prabhupada: Yes, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling. So these four things are encouraged by the government. Gambling, that, what is that? Lottery.
Devotees: Maharashtrian Lottery.
Prabhupada: And meat-eating: beef shop.
Giriraja: M.A.S.K.O.[?]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Giriraja: The government has big meat distribution...
Dr. Patel: No, they are...
Prabhupada: And prostitution means contraceptive.
Giriraja: Birth control.
Prabhupada: Prostitution and illicit sex, illicit sex.
[aside:] Don't touch me.
Dr. Patel: Who is the best, these contraceptives?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dr. Patel: The boys and the girls in the colleges.
Prabhupada: See. They're encouraging, encouraging these things. So why they will like? Now... Therefore our position is that they want to drive us. The whole plan is they do not want this Hare Krsna movement to stay here.
Dr. Patel: How can they drive you? I don't agree with you on that...
Prabhupada: No, no, they are trying their best. They wanted to break the temple and drive away.
Dr. Patel: They, temple they broke...
Indian man (1): [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Indian man (1): But self-discipline alone is a... Nobody.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the plan. And now no sanction of temple. That was the plea, that "It is temporary. It should be broken." And when we asked for permanent approval, "No sanction." This is clear.
Dr. Patel: Have you got the... Have you received the..., renewed the temporary permit.
Giriraja: Well, we've applied.
Prabhupada: Every year we have to apply.
Dr. Patel: Yes, every year it should be applied.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Dr. Patel: That is the law. I give this warning.
Prabhupada: That is the law of breaking temple. And when we want, that is the law, "No sanction." [Hindi] This is our position. If we go forward, then we are culprit. And if we remain backward, then we are culprit. Both ways. [Hindi]
Dr. Patel: Yes. Now, cup of the sin of these people is now filling up, and Kalki-avatara must come out. [break]
Prabhupada: ...gentlemen. Otherwise, how they could reign for eight hundred years? At that time Hindus were very strong. They were rigid. And there were many native princes. Still, they ruled over India for eight hundred years. As soon as the Aurangzeb showed his bigotry, it was failed. Muslim... As they're advertised, Muslims are not like that.
Dr. Patel: They were good to Bengal.
Makhanalal: They have very much reputation for violence...
Prabhupada: No. In Vrndavana we have got. So all the Muslim emperors, they contributed.
Dr. Patel: But that way, in Vrndavana you have got some signs that some of the Arabs have become saints, Hindu saints. Two or three Arabs, they have got very big tombs there in Vrndavana. Arab saints. They came to Surat and then they, I mean... [break]
Prabhupada: ...our calculation is if the Muslims were...
Dr. Patel: So bad as that.
Prabhupada: ...so bad, then how they could rule for eight hundred years?
Dr. Patel: That is right, but they were bad enough. They were...
Prabhupada: Bad enough... Your, our so-called Hindus are worst enough.
Dr. Patel: That's all right. But they were bad.
Indian man (1): Because devotees of Krsna...
Prabhupada: If they were bad enough, we are now worst enough. We are now introducing meat-eating and drinking and... We are worst.
Devotee: Prabhupada, in the newspaper the other day it said that India government wants to start exporting beef.
Dr. Patel: Beef. Because they want to... Yes, you read it. They want to be..., slaughter the surplus cows because they are not yielding enough milk. There was very big article I read wherein they said that not only the milk is important, but the cow dung is as fertilizer in the fields much more than the modern day...
[break] No? [break]
Dr. Patel: They are doing bagha-raksya here, not go-raksya. All the tigers are getting much... [break]
Prabhupada: ...crying like jackals, they are.
Indian man (1): Yes.
Devotee: You saw them, Dr. Patel?
Prabhupada: ...animals. Why like animals?
Dr. Patel: That's right. Everyone is very much [indistinct] an animal excepting the human being... [break]
Dr. Patel: She became violent. So all violent, they are animals. [break]
Prabhupada: They are good.
Indian man (1):
Prabhupada: So Krsna consciousness movement has started from there. So they are very fortunate.
Indian man (1): Otherwise... Last birth, they must have had the Krsna consciousness. Otherwise, they... In one year they... Not that actually, you see, Krsna...
Indian man (1): They must have something God, you see. Or they cannot be prosperous, whatever you may say.
Satsvarupa: No, but Prabhupada, you explained we were experiencing all this prosperity like zeroes. Just so many zeroes.
Prabhupada: Yes. If they do not take seriously to Krsna consciousness, then this prosperity will not exist.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: No, but really these people are, I mean, in their heart superior than others.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Because their method of working is more honest in a way. If they get money, we get jealous of them, because...
Prabhupada: No, they..., they are feeling nationally. They are feeling nationally. Yes.
Dr. Patel: Even though it is a nation of hodgepodge people from Europe, but still they are...
Prabhupada: So therefore they have said 'United Nation.'
Dr. Patel: Still, they are [indistinct].
Indian man (1): United States.
Dr. Patel: ...over-clever or whatever you may call, but the American would be outwitted by a Gujarati baniya if he has got the same money, same, I mean, freedom of business and same facility to work. [break]
Prabhupada: ...the plan is to drive away the Gujaratis from Africa. [laughter] Yes. The Britishers are afraid. The Britishers are afraid that if the Indians, they are allowed to remain here, they will not be able to exploit the Africans.
Dr. Patel: All Indians and all Gujarati baniyas who settled in Africa, one and all are multi-millionaires.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...also.
Dr. Patel: But they have migrated to London now. They are very well... People from England..., I mean, Africa, especially East Africa, Kenya, Uganda... [break]
Prabhupada: ...their own house in London. Every Indian. [break] Englishmen, they haven't got their own house.
Dr. Patel: No, Englishmen are very much afraid of business with... [break]
Prabhupada: ...former purchaser, they sell to the higher bidders.
Dr. Patel: Yes. Very cunning. Very cunning people.
Prabhupada: That is good.
Dr. Patel: [heavy wind noise] And then so many, they... [break]
Prabhupada: ...clean. Although there is no machine.
Dr. Patel: Because the sea comes here, right. Here is the water line, high water line, high tide.
Prabhupada: And washes everything. That is God's grace. Without machine, they keep it clean.
Indian man (2): Without taking any charge.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...same thing is happening here in a different edition, that's all.
Indian man (2): All are nationalized. Only men and women can...
Dr. Patel: They're also nationalized. Man is nationalized.
Prabhupada: We consider according to our position in this material world, "This is good," "This is bad." This is simply a mental concoction. Everything is bad. Only Krsna is good. You are criticizing Russians. Why do you...? What is the..., what is your state of...?
Dr. Patel: Russians are good people. They were a very good people. That is why... [break]
Prabhupada: ...rascal... For some time, another rascal will come, another rascal...
Dr. Patel: Russians, technically, they are Russis. [break]
Prabhupada: ...advertise, but do you know?
Dr. Patel: I know it.
Prabhupada: I know it very well.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. It's a fact. I have read the history.
Prabhupada: Well, you have read history; I have gone there personally.
Dr. Patel: Going there and reading history is something different. You have seen only at a particular time, but... [break]
Dr. Patel: This is a phase of the government. The government is not the people. [break]
Prabhupada: ...people everywhere good.
Dr. Patel: But the Russians are really good.
Prabhupada: Only the... People everywhere, all over the world, they are all good. Only the leaders make them bad. That's all. That is my opinion. Misleaders. Yad yad acarati sresthas tat tad evetaro janah [Bg 3.21]. The so-called srestha, leaders, they... Just like in India. When Gandhi was there it was prohibition, and now there is wine shop every step. It is due to the leaders. People... People, what the innocent people, what they'll do?
Dr. Patel: You are talking of this, but I am the knower of the private character of so many [indistinct].
Prabhupada: Why you know? Everyone knows.
Dr. Patel: They have got so many women outside, and some of them want every day new one. All sorts of rascals they are. [break] Raja should rule, and not these...
Dr. Patel: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Everyone, all people, not only the ministers.
Prabhupada: Yes. And they have become srestha. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. Blind men have become the leader of the blind men. That is the difficulty. And if you want to open their eyes, they will say, "No sanction for temple. Get out." Murkhayopadeso hi prokapaya na santaye. This is the position.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prabhupada: Yes. Because they were cultured.
Dr. Patel: Common denominator. [break]
Prabhupada: [aside:] Hare Krsna. What is this?
Indian man (1): [indistinct]
Dr. Patel: Here the same thing. There are part of an ideal.
Prabhupada: No, no. When the young men, young women, as they meet, there is possibility, sex.
Dr. Patel: That is there in Swaminarayan's sampradaya. If you go to temple, a sannyasi you can't see, but the people from samsaris, samsaris, they can... [break]
Prabhupada: But the men come from women.
Dr. Patel: That's right. But here we are talking of that.
Prabhupada: So if they are..., women are extricated, then where the Swaminarayan's devotees will come from?
Dr. Patel: And if they come from homes, not from the temple.
Prabhupada: But home means that is from a woman.
Dr. Patel: But there, there, in the home, woman is there...
Prabhupada: That's all right. You cannot stop...
Dr. Patel: You are disagree... I can argue that way. Then you get annoyed to me. Then you call me big mudha.
Prabhupada: No, no. Why you..., why one should hate so much woman?
Dr. Patel: We don't hate. We want to protect you from sex.
Prabhupada: That is... Not to, not to see face, not to...
Dr. Patel: Because woman is the embodiment.
Prabhupada: You should be trained up.
Dr. Patel: You... Now, now, that training is very difficult to get. I am very sorry to say that.
Prabhupada: No, no. No, no. That training is there. We are..., we are training in that way.
Dr. Patel: You must, you must have, I mean, a sort of a... You see, between the objects and indriyas...
Prabhupada: Then according to Swaminarayan's principles, I am a fallen.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no, sir.
Prabhupada: Because I am always surrounded by young girls.
Dr. Patel: No, no, that is... Swaminarayan was sitting with the women, but the sadhus...
Prabhupada: Then why you said...? Don't you see...?
Dr. Patel: Listen, you are arguing in such a way that there will be a flash between us two.
Prabhupada: No, no. People should be trained up in such a way that in spite of woman you should not be agitated. That is. That is.
Indian man (1): Our religion... [break] ...and that these boys... [break]
Dr. Patel: Sadhus, not sannyasis. [break]
Prabhupada: In European countries... In European countries, if you restrict in that way, that will be fanaticism.
Indian man (1): That is what I am telling you. It should not be done immediately like that. [break] ...it must be trained, and it will take a long time.
Prabhupada: Why Europe? Nowadays, here also. That is not possible.
Indian man (1): It is not... It is not possible.
Prabhupada: It is simply utopian, utopian.
Dr. Patel: That is all right. It is not possible. So you are doing like this. When it was possible...
Indian man (1): That's all... [break]
Prabhupada: If you must become agitated even by seeing mother, then what can be done?
Indian man (1): No, no, that should not be done.
Prabhupada: Monkey.
Indian man (1): No, but, I mean, a [Hindi] they don't see their own wife even. Goswami was telling that please don't keep a meeting there...
Prabhupada: Yes. No, no.
Indian man (1): ...because my wife is staying there. Because Prabhupada has also created something, good thing. [break]
Dr. Patel: I'm very sorry that... You have misunderstood me. I said this is the strict injunctions. He did it under a command, but that...
Prabhupada: But this cannot be carried.
Dr. Patel: And then people were so...
Prabhupada: If you make some injunction which is impossible to carry...
Indian man (1): ...they talk also, Emergency, they talk also. In the Emergency Room, they talk also with the ladies. [break]
Prabhupada: ...still going on.
Dr. Patel: Much more than...
Prabhupada: Due to introduction of Sadananda's principles, the debauchery has not reduced. It has increased. So that is a failure.
Indian man (1): The more we try to stop, it is increasing.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man (1): That is the principle. [break]
Mother, sister, daughter. Even with them one should not... In solitary.
Indian man (1): That is it. In solitary.
Prabhupada: ...seven years.
[aside:] Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: [talking constantly in background to somebody else] And these boys are very good students because they are... [break] ...this dating business. I hate this word "date" itself. Eh?
Prabhupada: Well, this hating... You hate for something, he hates for something else. That is going on.
Dr. Patel: But this dating... That is why I to... I mean, I did not see my wife before I married her. And we were very happy all the life. [break]
Prabhupada: That is not happening nowadays. Now, when... One girl is visited many times, and she becomes pregnant, then marriage takes place.
Dr. Patel: Then only...
Indian man (1): By force you marry.
Prabhupada: [laughs] Otherwise, there is no marriage.
Indian man (1): Now they are, these [indistinct] and places they call this the modern day... [break]
Prabhupada: ...of the same quality.
Indian man (1): That is the now. That is how.
Prabhupada: How the mother can do that? Birds of the same feather.
Indian man (1): But the vibrations of these boys, what... [break]
Prabhupada: ...done? Therefore we have got the Dallas school.
Indian man (1): I mean the Indian method of arranging marriage by the parents is the best. [break]
Prabhupada: I have got them married. Although I am not their parents, I asked that "You marry this." They accepted.
Indian man (1): That is the right way.
Prabhupada: What is the name, Jagattarini?
Visakha: Dina-tarini?
Prabhupada: No, no, Jagattarini?
Prabhupada: Who...
Prabhupada: He married Jagattarini. She was a famous artist. So she came to me to surrender, that "I shall become your disciple."
Indian man (1): That paintings which was...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Indian man (1): She was painting in that film?
Prabhupada: No, no. She is another girl. She's Jadurani. So this Jagattarini, after some days, I asked her that "You go to Japan. There is my disciple, Bhurijana. You go and marry him." So she did not see the boy, did not know anything about. And she was very rich. Still, on my order, she went to Japan and married that boy.
Indian man (2): Is she unhappy?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man (2): Very happy.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: No. I did not like my wife. Still, I had to marry her. [laughter]
Dr. Patel: And you had not bad days all your life? Or you were quarreling? I am sorry to intrude.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Were you?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So you are quarrelsome even now. [laughter]
Prabhupada: My wife... I admit she's very nice lady. But I did not like her. [laughs] [break] ...if he becomes so, he cannot become Aurobindo Ghosh. If he becomes attached to the wife up to the point of death, he never becomes Aurobindo Ghosh.
Indian man (1): Tulasi Das, also, the same thing happened. No? Everywhere...
Dr. Patel: I was attached to my wife. And I used to quarrel every day.
Dr. Patel: Nothing. These American boys, they quarrel with their wives. The next day...
Prabhupada: Because there is no...
Indian man (1): They will immediately quarrel.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. Here, because the Hindu... [break]
Prabhupada: ...quarrel, my wife never thought of any other man; neither I thought of any other woman.
Dr. Patel: Why? Because of the background.
Prabhupada: Although we fought, but there was no such thing. [break] Fighting is natural. This is fight of love. This is not fighting. Therefore Canakya Pandita has said, "Neglect this fighting. Don't take it seriously." Dampatya-kalahe caiva bahv-arambhe laghu-kriya. This should not be... Quarrel between husband and wife should not be taken seriously. Let them fight. It will stop automatically. That's all.
Dr. Patel: He said, now we have... [break]
Prabhupada: ...wasting time in social... Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Very good. It is a good suggestion. We should utilize the time for spiritual advancement.
Dr. Patel: [Hindi] Even sometimes... We already discussed. [break]
Prabhupada: That is very nice.
Dr. Patel: He knows it by heart.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Dr. Patel: I can't... I can't remember. I, I, I sometimes remember, but he remembers perpetually. Eh?
Prabhupada: So. What is that?
Prabhupada: Eh? What is that?
Chandobhai:
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Chandobhai: I think that is the crux of the whole thing.
Prabhupada: Yes. So isvara... That..., this, this, I was discussing the other day. Bhutanam isvaro 'pi san. Isvara. Bhutanam isvaro 'pi sann avyayatma [Bg 4.6]. So Krsna is always isvara. We are isvara in the family or in the office or in my society, but we are not that type of isvara that I can live within the heart of everyone. Therefore there is distinction between this isvara and we isvara. The Mayavadis, they do not understand this. He claims that "I am the same isvara." But do you remain in everyone's heart? Can you study..., can you study what I am thinking now? But still, they will say, "I am the same." This is Mayavadi philosophy's defect.
Chandobhai: Difference.
Prabhupada: No, this is defect. They do not understand their incapability, and still, they claim, "I am the same, one, so 'ham." This is their deficiency. Here is the de...: isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese... [Bg 18.61]. Do you stay... Can you stay... Can you say what I am thinking now? Then why you are claiming that isvara? You are a rascal. Why you are claiming?
Prabhupada: Ah.
Chandobhai: And the Lord knows the pains and pleasures of everybody.
Prabhupada:
Prabhupada: That is...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: And, and, not only that. Bhramayan sarva-bhutani [Bg 18.61]. He's managing the business of all living entities. Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya. That I was explaining the other day. Just see Krsna's business, that He is situated in everyone's heart, and He's giving direction and managing all His affairs. And there are unlimited millions and tril... Not millions either. Unlimited. Without any number. He has to manage them. So how much busy He is. And that is... How is being done? Ekamsena sthito jagat [Bg 10.42].
Chandobhai: Ekamsena. His only one part of...
Dr. Patel: These Mayavadis... Mayavadi is one who thinks himself to be all in all.
Prabhupada: Means rascal number one. "All in all, I am one," that is..., means rascal number one.
Dr. Patel: But not quantity as well.
Prabhupada: No. Quantity... Just like if you take a drop of water of this... If the drop says, "I am the ocean," what is this nonsense? You are drop of water.
Chandobhai: You are part of the ocean.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Ah. And that is going on, transmigration.
Prabhupada: Yes. According..., according to the quality or the modes of nature, he has to change his body. This Mayavada philosophy has made the whole world atheist. They don't believe in God.
Dr. Patel: I think this, what do you call, Mayavada philosophy is not... [break]
Prabhupada: Mayavadi was introduced...
Dr. Patel: By Buddha.
Prabhupada: ...by Saṅkara.
Chandobhai: Saṅkara and Jains mostly.
Prabhupada: Mayavada...
Dr. Patel: Jains are, they are... They don't believe in God. Jains are... Their soul is as long as their body. If that leg is cut, the soul's leg is cut.
Prabhupada: No. Without..., without going to other philosophy, best thing is to stick to your own philosophy and try to understand.
Chandobhai: Yes, that is the best thing.
Prabhupada: That is the best thing.
Chandobhai: Then you'll understand all the philosophies.
Chandobhai: Not only that, you must speak your own philosophy.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Chandobhai: Ultimately, the goal is one, you see.
Dr. Patel: How you explain:
Dr. Patel: In the shadow in the pond.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: That is in rivers. But it's in the shadow.
Prabhupada: Yes. So therefore this reality is there which is up. And this is shadow.
Dr. Patel: That's it.
Indian man (1): [indistinct]
Dr. Patel: No, he has... I mean, delivered. I was not able to understand for many years these things. Ūrdhva-mulam... [break] ...and this illusionary shadow is...
Prabhupada: This is maintained by Vedic injunction. Just like people are very much attached to fruitive activities. They are attached to that. They do not want to go beyond. The karmis. Karmis, their whole ambition is how to go to these heavenly planet. He does not know that what is the benefit of going to the heavenly planet. He does not know. Therefore he is amazed by the chandamsi, Vedic chandamsi. Yam imam puspitam vacam [Bg 2.42], veda-vadinah. So they are especially attached to these Vedic...
Chandobhai: Injunctions of action.
Dr. Patel: They are rascals. [laughs]
Prabhupada: Now other rascals supporting them: "Oh, now we are..." [laughter]
Dr. Patel: The Americans rascals are going there.
Dr. Patel: That, that... I told you that story? Those astronauts who have gone on... [break] I have read it.
Prabhupada: The astronautics...
Chandobhai: It is so said like that. The astronauts, they were all talking of philosophy only and nothing else, after coming from moon.
Prabhupada: The astronautics... That Russian... Even Nehru went to receive. Just see, such a rascal minister we have, an astronaut is to be received. Eh, come on... [break]
Dr. Patel: All astronauts...
Prabhupada: ...he was received by Nehru? Eh?
Dr. Patel: Might have. All astronauts, they have got no sex desire. All of them. [break]
Dr. Patel: Sex.
Dr. Patel: That is what they do, but that is what...
Prabhupada: That is your standard?
Dr. Patel: ...as far as sex is concerned, they are siddhas.
Prabhupada: Then impotents are all siddhas. [laughter] All the impotent persons, they're all siddhas.
Dr. Patel: That is, in a way, they are.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Indian man (1): No, those have controlled their sex [indistinct] are...
Prabhupada: No. Siddhas means in spite of agitation, he's not agitated. That is siddha. That is siddha.
Dr. Patel: But in spite of agitation of their wives, they are not agitated.
Prabhupada: It is simply forceful negation.
Dr. Patel: But in spite of their wives' agitation, they are not agitated.
Prabhupada: No, no, that... No, you are calling them siddhas. Therefore I am telling you, then impotents are siddhas.
Dr. Patel: Then what should we call them?
Prabhupada: Eh? No, they are little advanced, that's all. You can say that. [break] ...facility, they are..., they have become little advanced.
Dr. Patel: Candra is the lord of mind, and... [break]
Prabhupada: That's all right. Still, he was Candra. He was given the post of Candra. You were not given. You were not given.
Dr. Patel: That is what I say.
Prabhupada: Siddha is different thing. But why they are given post? Just like the government post is given to the qualified man. It doesn't matter whether...
Dr. Patel: Candra must be a very vigorous fellow. All the [indistinct]. [break]
Prabhupada: ...described in the Bhagavad-gita. Api cet suduracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak, sadhur eva sa... That is siddha. That is siddha. All rascals. This is siddha. Api cet suduracarah. Because he's sticking to this principle, that "Krsna is my everything," sadhur eva sa mantavyah [Bg 9.30]. That is sadhu
[break] ...real things are not... And, and the next verse says, sasvad bhavati dharmatma [Bg 9.31]. Because he has taken to this principle, other good qualities will soon come there. Don't bother. But first thing is that he has taken that "Krsna is my life." Ananya-bhak. Then everything will come. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah [SB 5.18.12]. This is wanted. That is siddhi. Samsiddhim paramam gatah.
This is... One who has captured Krsna, he has got siddhi. Samsiddhim paramam. The highest perfection he has attained. That is wanted. Harav abhaktasya kuto... [SB 5.18.12]. If... One may be reluctant to sex life for a few days. Then again he'll do that. Because he has no shelter. Aruhya krcchrena param... Even they go to the Brahmaloka, they come down. Aruhya krcchrena param. Krcchra, very severe austerities. They rise up to the brahmanah padavi[?], and again fall down. Because they have no shelter. So all these siddhis are simply temporary. It has no meaning. It has no value. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg 7.19]. So these siddhas will take many, many births to come to the point of surrendering to Krsna. You see? Bahunam janmanam ante.
Indian man (1): In between they start showing so many things.
Prabhupada: Yes. And in the meantime they may fall down and go to hell.
Indian man (1): Yes, that is how it is.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Chandobhai: Yes, "If I sincerely love You, You will reveal Yourself to me."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man (1): Krsnaloka.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Like us.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dr. Patel: Like us. [laughter] You wanted to speak like that...[break]
Yasomatinandana: I'm just a rogue. You are my real father.
Prabhupada: Pita na sa syat. [Hindi] Pita na sa syat na mocayed yah samupeta-mrtyum [SB 5.5.18]. Pita, father, must be..., he must be father who can deliver his son from the impending death. So one can avoid this repetition of birth and death only becoming Krsna conscious. So any father who gives chance to his children to become Krsna conscious, he's real father. Pita na sa syaj janani na sa syat... na mocayed yah samupeta-mrtyum.
[break] ...there is a verse:
In every birth one can get father and mother, but to get the spiritual master and Krsna, that is not possible in every birth. That is only possible in this human form. The cats and dogs, they have got their father and mother. Therefore if we become father, mother like cats and dogs, there is no need of such... Krsna-guru nahi mile bhaja... The father helps the children to achieve Krsna and guru, that is real father.
[kirtana welcoming Prabhupada] [end]
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