Prabhupada: ...one poster [break]

Satsvarupa: ...real leaders don't spoil life.

Bali Mardana: Yeah, I saw the plan. It's nice.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bali Mardana: I saw the plans for it; it's very nice. [break]

Prabhupada: Also clear water like this.

Bali Mardana: Oh.

Prabhupada: Juhu Beach is better than this.

Bali Mardana: Yeah, this is rocky. [break]

Prabhupada: There are two millions types of vegetables and trees. Two million. What these rascals know? The botanists might have seen thousands, but two millions there are. (japa) So they are getting bitter melon?

Bali Mardana: They have got already.

Prabhupada: Oh, that's nice. Bitter melon, eggplant, maybe this mankachu (?). They prepare. They will be very nice combination, yes. Buy one vegetable, you can eat whole thing. Yes.

Sudama: We will try and get some squash leaves, too.

Prabhupada: Oh, that's nice.

Sudama: I remember when we were here four years ago you had them.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Sudama: The stems. [break]

Satsvarupa: ...the word...

Prabhupada: Salt, salt, turned into sand. Salty water, silica. Sodium silicate. Salt is called sodium carbonate?

Bali Mardana: Yes, it is.

Prabhupada: Eh? [break] From any earth you'll find some percentage of salt. [break] ...for increasing population, but we rascals, we have made, "No, you cannot come here. You rot there." This is our civilization. India, China is overpopulated. So if people allow, just like Australia, Africa, and many islands.

Bali Mardana: Russia.

Prabhupada: Russia is useless.

Bali Mardana: Oh, it's too cold.

Prabhupada: Yes, it is for the Russians. But there are so many other islands like this.

Sudama: Tahiti.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Sudama: Tahiti. Also is... Below here.

Bali Mardana: There are thousands of islands in the Pacific.

Prabhupada: Just see. Let them come and live here. Produce foodstuffs, have cows, fruits, flowers, live peacefully, chant Hare Krsna; but they won't allow. Americans, yes, they have got so much land. Isavasyam idam sarvam, tena tyaktena bhunjitha [Iso mantra 1]. Whatever is Krsna's property, you can... You are Krsna's son; you can utilize it. But one son is prohibiting, "No, no, you cannot enter here." This is the problem. The so-called nationalism is dangerous. Just see how nice flowers, fruits, plant. Everything is there, complete.

Sudama: Yes. Jayasri is here also.

Prabhupada: Oh. (japa) Thank you. Jayasri joined when I first came here?

Sudama: Yes.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Feeling all right? I think you joined when I first came here?

Jayasri: Yes.

Prabhupada: Thank you. [break] ...savita sakala-grahanam. Gayatri mantra is worshiping the sun. Yac caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam raja samasta-sura-murtir asesa-tejah, unlimitedly powerful, unlimitedly heated. Asesa, how much heat is there, your brain cannot accommodate. And therefore it is said, asesa-tejah: "without any limit." This is God's creation. Where is the scientist who can create a small sun? How this water is going there? Where is the pipe? You rascal, if you want to pump your water in the skyscraper building, you require pumping and pipe and so many things, but where is the pipe? And where is the pumping station or pumping machine? But you'll find so much water. How the water is transferred there? What is their explanation? They'll use simply some bogus jugglery of words. That's all. But produce it, without pipe, without pump. Let the water go up, up. "Yes, we are trying. In future we shall do it." And what about of the present? Who is that scientist?

Bali Mardana: They say it is an accident, that the world is going to the...

Prabhupada: They are rascals. Therefore I always say, "Kick them on their face with your shoes, so-called scientists." "Accident." There is no question of accident. Mudha. Therefore they have been described in the Bhagavad-gita as mudhah, rascals, naradhama. Naradhama, the lowest of the mankind. Because they got this opportunity to appreciate the work of Krsna, but they avoid it, they are naradhama. No, they are so big, big graduate, scientists, and..." mayayapahrta-jnanah [Bg. 7.15]. Their real knowledge is taken away, simply childish proposing something, so-called scientists. Real knowledge is to see everywhere Krsna, mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. The supervision of Krsna. That is real knowledge. Not only to appreciate, but to explain it also. Kanistha-adhikari will appreciate, but cannot explain how it is being done. Madhyama-adhikari will explain. That is preacher. And uttama-adhikari, he thinks that everyone knows, everyone knows. He does not see that somebody knows, somebody does not know. He sees everyone knows. That is uttama-adhikari. He does not make any distinction.

Bali Mardana: He does not preach.

Prabhupada: Eh? No. He's paramahamsa. Does not preach means he preaches, but he comes to the second-class platform. The first-class platform means he does not make any distinction between devotee and nondevotee. He sees everyone is engaged in Krsna's service.

Bali Mardana: Does he consciously come from the first-class to second-class.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Just like Jesus Christ says that there was many things to be said by, by...

Bali Mardana: "There are many things, but I can, but you cannot, I have to tell you, but you cannot bear them now."

Prabhupada: Yes, so that means he's first-class, but he comes to the second-class platform or third-class platform to teach the third-class, second-class person. He's first class. Son of God cannot be second-class or third-class. He must be first-class. But... Just like Lord Buddha. He's God Himself, but He said nothing about God because he knew that "These rascals, they will not be able to... Let them stop meat-eating, that's all. Let them become sinless first of all; then they will be able..." So his main preaching was ahimsa, non-violence, no meat-eating. But still, they violate that. Jesus Christ also preached, "Thou shall not kill," but these rascals, all violating. And still, they are proclaiming as Christian and Buddhist. No religion will, real religion, will allow this kind of violence, no religion. It is cheating religion. Dharmah kaitavah: Any religion committing unnecessary violence to the animals, (it is) third-class. It is not religion, it is cheating. Simply cheating.

Sudama: They believe it's very necessary.

Prabhupada: They believe because they're rascals. Why necessary? We are not meat-eaters, why it is necessary? You have created necessary. Tongue. Tar madhye jihva ati lobhamoy sudurmati: "The tongue is very greedy and it does not satisfy." Therefore they create their necessity. Civilized human, how they can eat meat? It is meant for the cats, dogs, tigers, not for human beings. So they're not human beings even. Actually they're animals. What religion animals may have? [break] ...Krsna's craftsmanship, from one seed, a small, such a big tree has come, and within that seed there are the potency of demonstrating how variegatedness, nicely, within that seed. You produce such things? Make by chemical composition something and sow it and a tree will come out like this?

Bali Mardana: We will have it next year.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Bali Mardana: Next year we will have it.

Prabhupada: Next year?

Bali Mardana: Yes, we are working on it.

Prabhupada: Who is working on it?

Bali Mardana: The scientists always say, "Next year, next year."

Prabhupada: Next year. Then before next year coming, he will be finished.

Sudama: They're producing large trees out of plastic.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Sudama: They make, they can make a whole at... Just like this island, they can make out of plastic. Plastic coconut trees...

Prabhupada: How many they can make?

Bali Mardana: They do not reproduce.

Sudama: They don't reproduce, though.

Prabhupada: Simply they're rascals and who are bewildered by rascals, they are also rascals. Sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh [SB 2.3.19]. He's an animal, and their work is appreciated by another animal. The so-called scientists' advancement of knowledge is appreciated by another rascal, not any intelligent man. We can appreciate, but when they're godless, we kick him out. Just see. This is the... Now, this is a solid thing. How it grows and how the water comes? Now it will not grow. Because (it is) detached. But if it remains attached, it will grow. So wherefrom the water is coming?

Bali Mardana: From the ground.

Prabhupada: And you'll find that it is well protected cell, and you find two pieces of capati and one glass of water, ready. No need of cooking. Yes. You simply take. Take the water and take the pulp and eat pulp and the glass of water. That's all. Your meal is finished; luncheon is finished. You don't require.

Sudama: The atheist class of men, they are thinking "Well, we are watering. We are giving the water with the hose. We are giving water in the tree. Just like this man is cutting the lawn. So we are maintaining it." They are not thinking that Krsna is giving the water.

Prabhupada: Then wherefrom water comes? You rascal, wherefrom you got the water?

Sudama: They say, "It's too much to think about."

Prabhupada: That means rascal. That means rascal. (japa) [break] ...plastic group like this? Their life will be finished. [break]

Devotee: ...in Time magazine yesterday, and the scientists are thinking now that man is his mind. They were talking about the brain.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: That if man only knew his mind he would know himself. What is actually the brain? And the mind?

Prabhupada: Mind, that is also matter, material.

Devotee: They're saying that the mind or the brain is the source of man's consciousness.

Prabhupada: No. Brain is the instrument for expressing consciousness. Otherwise, when the man is dead, why the brain does not work? Do you follow?

Devotee: Yeah.

Prabhupada: Why the brain work stops?

Devotee: The soul leaves the body.

Prabhupada: Yes. Body is also material. Spirit soul, so long there is within the body, it works. You cut this tree and it will dry, it will not work. So long the soul is there, it is very luxuriant, very beautiful. (japa) [break] ...further?

Devotee: No.

Satsvarupa: Decorations.

Prabhupada: Decoration?

Satsvarupa: These white pillars?

Prabhupada: Yes... [break] ...and papaya is very good for breakfast. [break] ...better than Los Angeles.

Bali Mardana: Oh yes.

Sudama: You like it?

Prabhupada: Oh yes.

Bali Mardana: Actually, Hawaii is supposed to be the center of... It's right between the East and the West, between Japan and U.S.A. and Australia.

Prabhupada: Yes, marginal.

Bali Mardana: It is a good headquarters for you.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bali Mardana: For USA, 'cause then... It is very easy to come from the mainland.

Prabhupada: Yes. So make a headquarters.

Bali Mardana: O.K.

Sudama: We can make... We'll make a nice house for you on the land.

Prabhupada: Oh yes. Very nice. (japa) [break] Where? Here?

Sudama: Yes, they're cows, but they keep them very poorly, treat them very badly.

Prabhupada: Why? You keep cows nicely.

Sudama: Yes.

Prabhupada: What is that?

Jayasri: On Kauai they have tulasi plants and they have a cow.

Sudama: There's some devotees on another island and they have tulasi plants and a cow there.

Prabhupada: Very good. [break]

Nitai: Morning Walk... (end)