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Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.26.19

Bombay, December 28, 1974
Prabhupada: So the modern theory that life is made possible by chemical evolution is not correct. Or the Darwin's Theory, evolution of matter. No. The... They are missing the soul. That is their mistake. They are simply observing the material cover. That is the basic mistake of modern civilization. They have no information that within the body there is the spirit soul. That is the basic principle of material development. Matter is coming out of spirit, not that spirit is coming out of matter. They think by combination of matter there is a stage when living symptoms are visible. That is not the fact. The fact is that spirit soul is there, and therefore matter is developing.
Matter is external, and spirit soul is internal. So this internal spirit soul is coming from the Supreme Soul. Therefore it is said, daivat ksubhita-dharminyam svasyam yonau parah puman [SB 3.26.19]. Parah puman, the Supreme Person, the supreme living entity... Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). The supreme living entity is Krsna, and Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, aham bija-pradah pita [Bg. 14.4]. He is the origin of living entities. Aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8]. The supreme living entity is the source of both matter and spirit, not that spirit has come out of matter at a certain condition. That is not the fact. So this material nature is impregnated just like a female is impregnated by the male. Otherwise the female cannot give birth to any child. Similarly, this material nature cannot produce anything without being agitated and impregnated by the Supreme Soul. This is the fact. So you can read the purport.
Nitai: "This impregnation of material nature is described in the Bhagavad-gita, Fourteenth Chapter, third verse. Material nature's primal factor is the mahat-tattva, or breeding source of all varieties. This part of material nature, which is called pradhana as well as Brahman, is impregnated by the Supreme Personality of Godhead and delivers varieties of living entities. Material nature in this connection is called Brahman because it is a perverted reflection of the spiritual nature."
Prabhupada: These varieties... According to the Western Darwin's theory, they do not give any nice description of the varieties. But the varieties of living entities are there before creation. They become manifest in next creation. Just like in this creation one is dying as demigod, I mean to say, at the last dissolution, and one is dying as dog, or one is dying as a fish. So when the next creation will come out, they also will come out in that way, again as fish, because his activities in the form of fish was not completed. So one has to complete the term of one particular type of body. That is the law of nature. So they remain in dormant stage in the body of Maha-Visnu at the time of dissolution. Prakrtim yanti mamikam, in the Bhagavad-gita it is said. Prakrtim yanti mami... Then, at the time of creation, they come out again in the same body as it was in the last creation. Therefore Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, anadi karama-phale, padi' bhavarnava-jale. Of course, the evolution takes place, but at the time of creation the particular type of body which I inherited in my last birth or millennium I get again, and again begin evolution. This is the process, going on. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. The dissolution takes place.
So varieties are already there, not that in this creation it begins. Otherwise how Brahma is created first? Brahma is the most intelligent creature, so intelligent that he is given the power of creating this universe. So not that in the beginning there was no intelligence. The first-class intelligence is there in the beginning of the creation. Read.
Nitai: "It is described in the Visnu-Purana that the living entities belong to spiritual nature."
Prabhupada: Yes. Visnu-saktih para prokta [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. In the Visnu-Purana it is said that visnu-saktih para prokta. Para means spiritual. Ksetrajnakhya tatha para. And ksetrajna means the living entity. That is also para, spiritual. Avidya-karma-samjna anya trtiya saktir isyate. Avidya-karma-samjna anya: "Another sakti is there, means this material energy. It is full of avidya." Avidya-karma-samjna. And here karma is very prominent. Everyone is trying work, trying to work very hard to get some profit out of it just to become happy. So in the modern civilization especially, they are being trained up to work very hard and, to get strength, eat meat, and to digest meat drink wine, and then become infuriated and work very hard. This is the modern type of civilization. But Vedic civilization is different. Vedic civilization is not meant for working so hard. The human being should be very peaceful and sober and intelligent and cultivate spiritual knowledge, become brahmana, brahminical culture. Satyam saucam samo damas titiksa. This is Vedic culture.
So Vedic culture or the representative of Vedic culture, Maharaja King Rsabhadeva, He advised His sons, "My dear sons, this human life, human form of life, is not meant for working hard like the animals. This is not." Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye [SB 5.5.1]. Kastan kaman. Kaman means we require some necessities of life, but civilization should not be made in such a way that one has to live at the cost of sacrificing everything. This is not human civilization. Kastan kaman. Everyone wants something. That is required. So long the body is there, we must have to eat, we must have to sleep, we require sense gratification and protection or security. This is required. But the Vedic civilization was very simplified, simplified. A class of ideal men, the brahmana, they are ideal. They are simply assimilating the Vedic knowledge and guiding othersksatriya, vaisya, sudrahow to live peacefully. The ksatriya, they are meant for giving protection to the people, security. And the vaisya is meant for producing food. And sudra, because they cannot do anything independently, they must serve these three masters: brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya. So this is very scientific.
So if there is no ideal class of men, who will guide? If everyone is engaged as sudra to work hard for technology, then who will give the guidance? A brainless society.
mukha-bahuru-padebhyah
purusasyasramaih saha
catvaro jajnire varna
gunair vipradayah prthak
This is the division. The brahmana is to be considered the mouth of the Virad-rupa Bhagavan, the universal form of the Lord; ksatriya, the bahu, the arms; and vaisya, the belly; and sudra, the leg. So they are meant for cooperation, not that simply falsely becoming proud that "I am brahmana. You are sudra." No. The brahmana is equally important than the sudra, though both of them are required. But comparatively, because brahmana is considered to be the brain, he's very important. So the brain must be there. Otherwise, simply possessing hands and legs, what is the meaning if there is no brain?
So at the present moment there is practically no brain, simply hands and legs and belly. Not even hands, simply belly and legs. Rajas-tamo-bhavah. Rajas, rajas means belly, filling up. And tamas, ignorance, ordered. The leg is ordered, "Go there"; it goes. They cannot do anything independently. So rajas-tamo-bhavah, at the present moment the rajas-tamo-bhavah, is very prominent. But therefore society is imperfect. There must be a section of people, sattva-guna, and..., sattva-guna especially, to guide. Otherwise they will be simply engaged-rajas-tamo-bhavah. Rajas-tamo-bhavah means kama and lobha. Lusty desires and greediness, that's all.
tada rajas-tamo-bhavah
kama-lobhadayas ca ye
ceta etair anaviddham
sthitam sattve prasidati
[SB 1.2.19]
If you go on simply with rajas-tamo-bhavah... Therefore the competition is going on always-greediness. There is no end of ambition. "More money, more money, more money." Nobody is satisfied.
Recently one of our life membershe is a big industrialisthe has jumped from the, what is called, that Daksinasvara(?) Bridge, down to the Ganges. No, Wellington Bridge, I think. So committed suicide. In Western countries also, because there is no end of greediness: "More, more, more, more, more." Ask him that "What will be satisfaction for you?" Oh, there is no such limit. This is rajas and tamas. And some people, they are sudras. So some political party, by agitation, by propaganda, makes them convinced to accept some way, and they do it. Another party will do another... They have no their own discretion. They elect some president, and again they want to dethrone the president. Because they are sudras, they have no intelligence. They do not know how to elect the president, who should be the governor, who should be the executive head. They commit mistake. They again cry.
So rajas-tamo-bhavah, it is going on, very strong. Therefore human life is not meant for this purpose. It is very difficult to convince the present society. Still, we are trying our bit, that "This is not the right type of civilization, godless civilization, no sattva-guna, only rajo-guna, tamo-guna, mostly tamo-guna. This thing will not improve your situation, neither solve your problem. The problem... Human life is meant for solving the problem." Therefore creation is made. The living entities within this material world, daivat ksubhita-dharminyam, this material energy, they are given chance, again creation. Daivat. Daivat ksubhita-dharminyam svasyam yonau. This material energy is also Krsna's energy. Everything is Krsna's energy. That I was trying to explain last night. Just like the heat and light. Parasya brahmanah saktih. The light and heat. Similarly, spiritual energy and material energy. Take the spiritual energy as heat and material energy as the light. There is some idea of fire. Heat, if somewhere is very hot, you can make an idea, "There must be some fire." That is... The material world is like that. We have got some heat of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Things are going on so nicely. So we can at least imagine that there is some management. Otherwise how the sun is rising exactly in time every day, according to the calculation, almanac? The moon is rising, the ocean is flowing, and the breeze is blowing. Everything is doing its own duty. Unless there is some superior brain, arrangement... This is common sense, because in the material world we have no direct connection with the Supreme Lord. But in the spiritual world there is direct connection. That is exactly like heat.
So either material world or spiritual world, they are two different energies of the Supreme Lord: parasya brahmanah saktih. They are sakti. Parasya. Just like here it is said, parah puman. Parasya. Parasya means beyond this material world. That is parah. Sankaracarya also, he admits, narayanah parah avyaktat: "Narayana, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Narayana, He is parah. He is beyond this material world." So parah puman. So Krsna is parah puman. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. Paramah or parah, the same thing. Paramah, the Supreme or beyond this material world. Here there are isvaras. They are... Up to Lord Brahma, Lord Siva, Indra, Candra, there are many isvaras. But Krsna does not belong to this material world. Krsna is parah puman. He is also purusa, He is also controller, but not the controller like Lord Siva, Lord Brahma, Indra, Candra, or president this, president that. We are... There are so many controller. And even in this planet there are so many controller: the president of India, president of America, and so on, so on. Similarly, there are many presidents in innumerable planets. The president of the sun planet, that is also mentioned in the sastra. His name is there: Vivasvan. The president of the sun planet, his name is Vivasvan. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. The Candra is the president of the moon planet. Surya, Surya is Vivasvan. So everywhere there is a president or predominating deity. But above all of them is Krsna. Therefore He is called parah puman, param, not within this material world. So He is controlling everything, and His two energies, material energy and spiritual energy, is acting like the heat and light of the fire.
So in the material world we can perceive only if we are intelligent. But in the spiritual world there is directly. Now here it is said that adhatta viryam sasuta, viryam. So the living entities, they are also coming from the parah puman. He is impregnating this material energy with these living entities, and according to their desires, different desires, they are getting different types of bodies. And he is thinking that he is enjoying. Just like the pig. He is also thinking he is enjoying stool. He is also thinking. Similarly, you will find also, human society. They are eating different types of foodstuff. "One man's poison... One man's food is another man's poison." Suppose one man is eating something. Another man will say, "Eh! What he is eating?" But he is also enjoying. He is also.
So this is going on. Ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham [Bg. 4.11]. And they are worshiping also different types of deities. Sri-aisvarya-prajepsavah. Generally, in the material world they are after sri, sri, meaning beauty; aisvarya, opulence, money; sriyah, aisvarya, and praja, children, or good generation, dynasty, family. They want to create family. In the Western world there is "lord" family. In this, our Eastern, there are many big, big families. So sri-aisvarya-prajepsavah. The materialistic, they are after this. They want to see very beautiful woman in the family, the man's wife, his son's wife, his grandson's wife, very beautifully dressed, ornamented. Sri, that is called sri, beauty. And they must have money to enjoy. Sriyah aisvarya, and praja. So they are after the worshiping of demigods. But those who are intelligent, those who know that this sri-aisvarya-praja, they are temporary... But these men, they do not see it although they know it is temporary. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is said pasyann api na pasyati. Tesam pramatto nidhanam pasyann api na pasyati. He knows that "These things will be destroyed. This will not exist," but still, he is after them, sri-aisvarya-prajepsavah.
Pasyann api na...
dehapatya-kalatradisv
atma-sainyesv asatsv api
tesam pramatto nidhanam
pasyann api na pasyati
[SB 2.1.4]
Dehapatya. Apatya means children, family, and deha means this body. Deha apatya. Kalatra, kalatra means wife. Dehapatya-kalatradisu atma-sainyesu. He is struggling for existence and thinking that "My wife, my children, my relative, my friend, my countrymenthey are my soldiers. They will give me protection whenever I am in danger." Dehapatya-kalatradisu atma-sainyesu asatsu api. But he knows also that they will not stay. Asatsu api. But still, they are depending on them. So tesam pramatto nidhanam pasyann api na pasyati. This is our position.
So this position is going on, beginning from one date of creation, millennium, and goes up to the end, kalpanta. The asuric determination is kalpanta. Up to the end of the creation they have no sense that "Again I am going to in the oblivion. Again I am to remain for millions of years in darkness. Then again there will be creation. And again I shall get body." And in one millennium we are changing so many bodies. This is our problem. But there is no education; there is no knowledge. But we find this education, this knowledge, from Vedic literature. Therefore Krsna comes Himself, He teaches Himself Bhagavad-gita personally, and He asks, mudha, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66], but still, we are so dull, we cannot take His words, take His instruction, and bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19], and going on, one after another, birth and death. This is going on.
So these virya, these living entities, seed-giving father is Krsna. Therefore we are in quality as good as Krsna, as good as Krsna. Mamaivamsa. The living entities, they are, Krsna claims, aham bija-pradah pita: [Bg. 14.4] "And they are My part and parcel." So why we should be other than Krsna? We are exactly of the same quality. If Krsna is spirit, then we are spirit. He is complete spirit; we are partial spirit. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Krsna is living force; we are also living force. Krsna has got creative power; we have got also creative power. Exactly all the qualities. Krsna has got loving propensity; we have got loving propensity. Wherefrom this love has come? Because Krsna loves Radharani, and we are part and parcel of Krsna; therefore we have learned how to love. Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1], the Vedanta-sutra: "Everything is born out of the Supreme Person, everything, what we see." We are sample Krsna, sample Krsna. All the propensities, that we have inherited from our supreme father. Everything is there. Krsna has got the same propensities. So why Krsna should be imperson? That is not complete knowledge.
Complete knowledge is one who understands that "If I have got so many propensities, so the origin of me, the supreme father, why He should be without any propensities? What is this logic?" "Like father, like son." It is... The son has got so many propensities. Wherefrom it has come? It must be in Krsna. This is intelligence. Everything is there is Krsna. Just like Krsna is stealing butter. That means Krsna has stealing propensity. But the difference is that Krsna's stealing butter is worshiped, and my stealing is beaten with shoes. (laughter) That is the difference. So we should not imitate Krsna, but we should understand that janmady asya yatah: [SB 1.1.1] everything... Here it is said, bijam adhatta. So just like father impregnates the child or the son within the womb of the mother, and he comes, "Like father, like son," generally, similarly, we are. We have got the same propensities, viryam, but it is being misused in the material connection. Therefore we are not getting pleasure. Otherwise, anandamayo 'bhyasat: (Vedanta-sutra 1.1.12) All these propensities, varieties of qualities, will give us ananda.
These varieties are for deriving pleasure, pleasure potency, hladini-sakti. The Radharani is hladini-sakti. Radha krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmat. This is the display of Krsna's pleasure potency. So this pleasure potency is there. So how? Then pleasure potency, we can enjoy in cooperation with Krsna, in conjunction with Krsna. The same thing: just like this body, the finger. The finger is part of the body. The finger can enjoy pleasure so long attached with the body. If the finger is cut off from the body, there is no more pleasure. Similarly, we are also part and parcel of Krsna. Because we are now detached from Krsna, therefore our position is manah sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati [Bg. 15.7]. Detached from Krsna, we are in this prakrti, material nature, and our business is struggle for existence for the same pleasure, which is never obtainable in this material world. Therefore the intelligence is that we should again go back to home, go back to Krsna, and dance with Him in His rasa dance. That will be our pleasure.
Thank you very much. (end)

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