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Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108

San Francisco, February 18, 1967
Prabhupada: Brahman means "the greatest." So what is the idea of the greatest? The greatest means... That is described by Parasara-sutra, that He is the greatest in wealth, greatest in fame, greatest in knowledge, greatest in renunciation, greatest in beauty, everything, whatever attractive. How, how you can understand "greatest"? "Greatest" does not mean that sky is the greatest. That is impersonal theory. But our "greatest" idea is that one who can swallow millions of skies within Himself, He is greatest. The material conception, they cannot go further. They can simply think of the greatest: the sky. That's all. "As great as the sky." But we Vaisnava, we see that Krsna has within His mouth millions of skies. So who is greatest? Krsna is greatest or the sky is greatest? This is the difference between the Mayavadi philosophers. Just like Krsna, when He was boy, He was eating clay. His mother asked, "Oh, just open Your mouth. I want to see what You are eating." And Krsna showed him (her) that millions of planets and millions of skies are within the mouth. So He is greatest, who can show that "Millions of skies are within Me." He is greatest. That means greatest in opulence of strength, greatest in strength, greatest in wealth, great..., everything greatest. He is greatest. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... He says Brahman means the greatest, and greatest means one who is greatest in six opulences.
Now, so there are Upanisads. Generally they take eleven Upanisads primarily, but there are 108 Upanisads. Sometimes the explanation is given that "Why we have got 108 beads?" "Because there are 108 Upanisads." So chanting of Hare Krsna with 108 beads means that we are surpassing the study of 108 Upanisads. Another meaning is that there are 108 damsels who served Krsna with all respect at Vrndavana. So that is also another explanation, 108. We are serving Krsna's servitors, hundred and..., chief damsels of, at Vrndavana. So these 108 Upanisads are described, isa kena katha prasna munda mandukyo taittiri... You can count how many: Isopanisad, Kenopanisad, Kathopanisad, Prasnopanisad, Mundakopanisad, Mandukyopanisad, Taittiriyopanisad. Then aitareyas ca chandogya brhad-aranyakam tatha. Then Aitareya Upanisad, Chandogyopanisad, Brhad-aranyakopanisad, Brahmokaivalyopanisad, Jabalopanisad. There are so many Upanisads, 108 Upanisads. Aruneyopanisad, Garbho, Narayano, Hamsa. This Hamsaduta, the name, the Hamsa Upanisad, it comes from Hamsa. Garbho narayano hamso binduro narada sikah. Sika-upanisad, Narada Upanisad.
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There are so many Upanisads. We cannot remember them. Out of them, nine Upanisads, just like Isopanisad, Kenopanisad, Kathopanisad, Mandukyopanisad, Aitareyopanisad, Taittiriya Upanisad, just like, these nine Upanisads are very much popular, and generally people read these nine Upanisads.
Now, so far Upanisads are concerned, here are some of the notes from different Upanisads given by Bhaktivinoda Thakura. He's quoting just like the statement of Upanisad, purnam adah, purnam adah purnam idam purnat purnam udacyate [Isopanisad, Invocation]. This is statement of one Upanisad, that the Supreme is purnam, means complete. There is no minus; it is always full, always purna. Purnam adah purnam idam. And because this creation, material creation, is emanated from that supreme complete, therefore this is also complete. Purnam idam. Purnat purnam udacyate. If a thing is complete and full, then the products should be also complete and full. So these are the statements. So how Krsna is complete? Krsna is completeHis energy, His opulence, His beauty, His knowledge. Similarly, He's complete always. Then another statement, vicitra sakti purusa purana. Another statement of Vedic literature, Upani..., vicitra sakti purusa purana. That Supreme Absolute Truth is a purusa. Purusa means enjoyer, man. Man is supposed to be the enjoyer. He's not woman. Woman is supposed to be enjoyed. Therefore this very word is used: purusa. And Purana, the oldest man, oldest man. Nobody... Because He's the cause of all causes; therefore He should be the oldest. And we are also oldest because we are part and parcel. We are also oldest. That is stated in the Srimad Bhagavad-gita, na jayate na mriyate va kadacit, purno nityah puranah... Na jayate na mriyate va kadacit na bhutva na bhuyah bhavita va, nityah sasvato 'yam puranah. Nityah sasvatah ayam puranah. Purana means the oldest. We are also the oldest. So because part and parcel, it is always with the Supreme. Just like the molecule of sunshine: they are part and parcel of the sun. Whenever there is sun, oh, the molecules of sunshine is also there. Similarly, we are molecules of the Supreme. Therefore whenever the Supreme is there, we are also there. Therefore we are also Purana. And purusa. Purusa means the tendency of becoming enjoyer. So that tendency we have also got. But we do not know that we can enjoy in cooperation with the Supreme because we are subordinate. Differently, we cannot enjoy. As soon as we make our plan to enjoy life differently with Krsna, then we fall under the clutches of maya. We cannot do that. Therefore we have to revive our consciousness that we agree to cooperate with Krsna. That will give us anandamayo 'bhyasat (Vedanta-sutra 1.1.12). Anandamayo 'bhyasat. Just like if you want to enjoy your life, some way or other, if you can secure a very nice service in the government, oh, your life is fulfilled. But if you want to enjoy your life separately... The government is all-powerful. If you become a departmental secretary, oh, immediately you get five thousand dollars and everything is all right. Similarly, some way or other, if you can become a secretary of Krsna, then your all problems solved. Don't try to enjoy independently. That is maya. That is maya.
Similarly, there are other statements. Sa vrksah kalah krtibhih paro 'nyat yasmad prapanca-parivartateyam dharmavaham papamaruddham. Then another statement, vedaham etat purusam mahantam aditya-varnam tamasah parastad, that vedaham: "I understand that Supreme Person." Vedaham. Vedaham means "I understand." Purusa. He's again purusa. In the Bhagavad-gita also you'll find, when Arjuna is recognizing Krsna, he said, param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan purusam [Bg. 10.12]. Again purusam. So God is never woman. The foolish person who says that God is, can be worshiped as woman, as mother... No. That is not according to Vedic literature. God is always father. Therefore Bible is all right-conception of father, not mother. Not that "I worship Kali, goddess mother, and become God." These are all nonsense. He's always father, purusa. Everywhere we find purusa. Never we find that God is a female. No. God cannot be female. Female is energy. Just like Radha and Krsna. Radha is Krsna, but the energy of Krsna, pleasure potency of Krsna. There is no difference between Radha and Krsna, and still, Krsna is male and Radha is female. So God, conception of God, always...
Now, again, patim patinam paramam parastad. That, that purusa, that... [break] ...mahantam, the greatest, mahantam. Mahantam means the last word of the greatest. Antam means the last, and maha means great. We have got idea of great, great, greater, greater, greatness, greatness. Where we finish all greatness, He's mahantam. Mahantam aditya-varnam. Aditya-varnam. Aditya means the sun. Just like sun. Wherever the sun planet is there, oh, there is sunshine, always shining. So where the sun planet... Wherefrom... The sun planet is also a material thing like this earth. Wherefrom the... [break] ...inhabitants, they're all fiery. Therefore their glaring effulgence is being manifested. So if you can see in the material world such effulgence of a certain point, particular planet, how can you disbelieve that Krsna planet is more dazzling? Krsna planet is more dazzling, and from Krsna planet the brahmajyoti is emanating. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti-kotisv asesa-vasudhadi vibhuti-bhinnam [Bs. 5.40]. We get this information from Brahma-samhita that, by spreading His effulgence, yasya prabha... Prabha means illumination, prakasa. Just like this light is illuminating. So yasya prabha. "Because illuminating light is emanating from His body..." Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti: [Bs. 5.40] "In that effulgence, millions and millions of planets are generating." The same example you can take, that all these planets... This is scientifically true, I mean to say, that all these planets, they have generated from the sunshine. Similarly, spiritual world, that effulgence of the body of Krsna, that is spread, and there are hundreds and millions of Vaikuntha planets are there. Mahantam aditya-varnam. And then where is that aditya? Where is that supreme sun? Tamasah parastat. Oh, that is beyond this darkness. This material world is dark by nature. We have several times explained. Therefore in the temporary... Now, just see the arrangement. The sun is there to drive out darkness, but the night is also there so that we can understand that by nature it is dark. Simply by timely appearance of the sun, it becomes day. Therefore there is day and night, day and night, day and night. Tamasah parastat. And other Vedic literatures-tamasi ma jyotir gamah: "Don't keep yourself in this darkness. Just try to get out of it and go to that Brahman effulgence." Jyotir gamah. Tamasah parastat.
Then another Upanisad, patim patinam paramam parastat. Patim patinam. There are many patis. Patis means proprietor, or husband. A husband is also considered a proprietor of the woman according to Vedic literature; therefore the word dasi. A woman's surname is dasi. She agrees to serve the man. You have observed, when we get young couples married, we get it promised: the husband promises that "I take charge of your life. Your whole life shall be dependent upon me. I take full charge of you." And the woman agrees, "Yes, I also agree to serve you the whole life." This is marriage. The... If we exploit, of course... But this is the nice arrangement. This is cooperation. A woman agrees that "I shall serve you," because the man requires woman's service in so many ways by her ser..., cooking, by her embracing, by her becoming beautiful, so many ways. That is the encouragement so that he can work, he can live peacefully, he can discharge spiritual duties nicely. So there is cooperation. Stri-purusa. Purusa is supposed to be enjoyer, but both their lives become sublime when there is cooperation. So patih patinam. So everyone is given the chance of becoming a pati. Pati means husband, or proprietor. Even the ant, it has got also a companion, female ant. Even the dog, it has got also companion. Even the small bird, even the insect, even the flyeveryone is given. This is called visaya. Visaya means material enjoyment.
So visayah khalu sarvatah syat. This visaya, this material enjoyment, is provided by the laws of nature everywhere. Don't think that it is in the human society there is love and there is male-female combination. No. Everywhere. That is nature's arrangement. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. Therefore Bhagavata asks everybody that "Don't be after visaya. Visaya is already arranged. Accept it as it is." But turnam yateta na mrtyum pateta yavat nihsreyasaya: "Your endeavor should be how to elevate yourself spiritually. Don't bother about visaya. Visaya is already arranged by nature's way." So patim patinam paramam parastat. No. He's also, God is also, as we are given the chance of becoming husband, similarly, He's the supreme husband. Supreme husband. Now, if He's the supreme husband and if He marries sixteen thousand wives, it is very difficult for Him? It is not at all difficult. So people do not understand, do not consult this Vedic literature, how it is stated the Supreme. How one can become Supreme? The Supreme... We judge the Supreme in the same philosophy, frog philosophy. "Atlantic Ocean? Oh, it may be a little bigger than this well. That's all." So our calculation of God is always like that. "Krsna, He looks like us, just like a man. So what is there? He may be a little powerful than me. All right, He has spoken Bhagavad-gita. All right. He's little more wiser than us." So we always compare with us. But it is not. He's supreme. We have no idea of the Supreme. Therefore we forget personality. Patim pati... It is clearly stated, pati. Can pati, the husband or proprietor, can become imperson? No. When the conception of pati, husband and proprietor, is there, then He is personal. Patim patinam paramam parastat mahan prabhavaih purusah.
Then again there is another statement: mahan prabhavaih purusah. The Lord Caitanya is called Mahaprabhu. Mahanprabhu. Prabhu, master. There are different kinds of master, but He's the mahan-prabhu, the Supreme Master, Supreme Master, and Purusa at the same time. Prabhu, you can say... A woman also can become the master. Just like in England there is queen. But no. Purusa. He is never woman. Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate [Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. Then again another statement from the Upanisads, that "The Supreme has multi-energies." Svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca. He has got so much energies that it appears that it is being automatically done. Just like a, I mean to say, very important man you see. You go there and you... Suppose you ask him for some help, and suppose you want one million dollar, and if he gives you a slip, oh, you take it from there. If you get immediately, then you will understand, "Oh, how much powerful he is. Simply by a pencil, like this, I got millions of dollars!" So God is so powerful. It appears that..., everything is wonderfully, this material nature is working. But it is due to God's energy. His energies are so multifarious, He's so expert, that it appears automatically being done. Not automatically. Not automatically. No. Just like a big mathematician. You give him a very big sum, oh, and within a second, he will at once add it. And for me, I shall commit so many mistakes and perhaps the whole day will go on. Still, I shall not be able. Especially myself. I am never correct in adding. So if the... Supreme power means He has got so much energies, different kinds of energy, that it appears that there is no background, but the nature is working automatically. No. Bhagavad-gita says no. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram: [Bg. 9.10] "The whole nature is working under My superintendence." But the superintendence is so perfect and so nice and so energetic that there cannot be any mistake. So this is called parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate [Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].
Any question? Thank you very much.
Bhaktijana: What's the relationship between Krsna and Radha? Radha is the energy of Krsna?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ravindra-svarupa: If the brahmajyoti is in the spiritual sky, how could we reach it in our mind? Is it in our mind also?
Prabhupada: It is here also. Just like the sunshine, when it is covered by cloud, the sunshine is also there. Do you follow? You see that the sky is covered, but still you say, "It is day." Why? The sunshine is there. Similarly, brahmajyoti is here also. Sarvam khalu iti brahma: "Everything is Brahman." But it is covered by maya. Therefore the full-fledged brahmajyoti, you cannot see.
Ravindra-svarupa: I thought it was a place that was far away.
Prabhupada: Yes. It is... Just like above the cloud there is sunshine, fully. We have seen it in an aeroplane. This airlines, U.S. airlines, they say, "Friendly skies." So go to the friendly sky. Why do you remain here, nonsense sky, always covered with cloud? Go to the friendly sky. Just go above the cloud. The cloud is maya. Go above the maya. Then you see. You are seeing already, but it is not full-fledged experience. Everything we are seeing. We have experienced God's power, God's energy. But because we are in ignorance, therefore we cannot conceive perfectly. And as soon as you are above the maya... Mayam etam taranti te [Bg. 7.14]. That maya you can, I mean to say, surpass simply by Krsna consciousness. As you become full-fledged Krsna conscious, oh, then you see always brahmajyoti and Brahman and Krsna and everything. And so far your present condition is, you are seeing also just now. Because without Brahman, there cannot be any existence. So one has to learn. In the flower you can see. In the tree you can see. In the taste you can see. In the water you can see. In the sound you can see. That is all stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya: [Bg. 7.8] "I am the taste of the water." Water is so popular, so tasteful, to every living entity. Man, beast, birdsanyonewater requires. Why? There is a nice taste, quench our thirst. And Krsna says, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya: "That taste in water, I am." So if you are Krsna conscious, if you know from the sastras that "This taste is Krsna," then at once you become Krsna conscious while drinking water. "I am sound in the sky." So, as soon as there is some sound, "Oh, here is Krsna." In this way, you study Krsna. You'll see. In the taste of water you'll find Krsna. In the sound vibration you'll find Krsna. If there is somebody very powerful, you'll find him, Krsna. This description are there in the Bhagavad-gita. This is Krsna consciousness. Yes?
Devotee: Swamiji, I'm trying to... You said that, one time, that brahmajyoti is like the pure light, and it's filtered in the material world through the modes?
Prabhupada: Yes. Material world means three modes.
Devotee: So is that like...? Well... Because the modes don't exist in the spiritual world. Is that right?
Prabhupada: Yes. Just like if you go above the cloud, there is no cloud. That's all. But there is. In a certain portion of the sky, there is cloud. And that cloud is also not permanent. Sometimes sky is clear of all clouds, but sometimes cloud is there. The cloud is generating in the sky and it is vanquished in the sky. Similarly, this material world is sometimes being manifested and sometimes there is no manifestation, simply spiritual. Spiritual is always eternal. The sky, sunshine, is always eternal. Take this crude example. But the cloud is not eternal. It comes and goes, although cloud is a product of the same sunshine. Cloud is not independent. By interaction of sunshine, there is cloud, and that cloud is... There is no cloud. Similarly, this material world is just like cloud. It appears. It acts. When there is cloud, there is torrents of rain. Oh, there are so many productions on account of rain. Everything becomes green. So we give so much importance to the cloud, and it is important also, but it is temporary. As soon as the cloud is over, the greenness is gone. There is no rain. Nothing, nothing. And when the sky is clear, you'll see, "Oh, where is cloud? Where is cloud?" Similarly, this maya means it appears like the cloud, and it disappears like the cloud, but the eternal brahmajyoti remains.
Bhaktijana: Did Krsna create us for to serve Him?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Bhaktijana: Did Krsna create us to serve Him?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhaktijana: And to enjoy us?
Prabhupada: Yes. Very nice. So we should prepare ourselves to our healthy condition. That is our healthy condition. As soon as we understand that Krsna created us... Krsna created... There is no creation. Just like if I say that my hand is created, no, it is not created. As long as the body is there, the hand is there. Otherwise, there is no meaning of body. Similarly, we are not created. Krsna is always there; we are also always there. And there are millions and millions of liberated souls who are engaged in Krsna. They never misuse their independence. And we small quantity, we misused our independence. We wanted to enjoy separately. Therefore we are conditioned.
Bhaktijana: But there are, there are many...?
Prabhupada: ...liberated souls. They are never conditioned. They never become conditioned. Yes?
Devotee: You mean they never were conditioned at any time or...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Devotee: You said there were millions of souls...
Prabhupada: Yes. They were never conditioned. They were never conditioned, never conditioned. They are called nitya-mukta, eternally liberated. We are only simple few, this material world. Just like I have several times told you that the prison house. The population of prison house is nothing in comparison to the whole population. What is there? Suppose in New York there is a prison house. Oh, what may be the number? A few thousand maybe. But here, millions. Similarly, the liberated souls are millions; we are only few thousands, or hundreds. Ekamsena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42]. We are thinking this universe is very great. It is nothing in comparison to the whole creation of the Lord. You are seeing only universe, but there are millions of universes like this. All together, they are ekamsena sthito jagat. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. This is only a part of Krsna's creation. One devotee of Lord Krsna, er, Lord Caitanya, requested, "My dear Lord, You have come to deliver all the fallen souls. You please take all the conditioned souls of this universe, and if You think they are not competent, they are sinful, You can give me all the sin to me. I shall suffer for them, but You kindly take." So this is the desire of a pure devotee, that "All may go with Krsna. Let them become liberated. I shall suffer all their..." Now, Caitanya Mahaprabhu replied that "Suppose I keep your request. I take these, all the living entities of this universe. Do you think, is there any loss of this material world? It is just like a one mustard seed in the bag of mustard seeds." So this universe is just like one mustard seed in one big bag of mustard seeds. Can you count how many mustard seeds are there in a big bag? So the idea was that Caitanya Mahaprabhu replied that "Even this universe is delivered fully, oh, there is a big bag of mustard seeds. It is only one grain." There are so many conditioned souls, and these conditioned souls are only insignificant in comparison to the liberated souls. Just imagine what is the quantity of liberated souls.
Bhaktijana: How could we make a poor choice if we were part and parcel of Krsna? How could we have chosen the material world?
Prabhupada: Oh, because you have got independence. Don't you see so many students come. They go away again. Yesterday Kirtanananda went to call Ranchora. He said, "Oh, I have forgotten this!" So you can forget. There is another student. He was also our student, Wally. "Oh, you can go immediately!" Suppose if you... "Oh, I don't care for this Krsna consciousness Society. Who calls you? You can go." That independence is there. We can misuse.
Bhaktijana: But Krsna will always be there if we want to go back?
Prabhupada: Eh? Krsna is always prepared to accept you. He's always prepared. But because He has given us independence, we misuse it and we fall under the clutches of maya. That is our misfortune. We create this misfortune, and we can create our good fortune. "Man is the architect of his own fortune." So if you become Krsna conscious, it is to your good fortune. If you become maya conscious, it is to your bad fortune. You are the creator.
Bhaktijana: When the souls that were never conditioned at all..., do they also have the independence?
Prabhupada: Yes, but they have not misused. They know that "I am meant for Krsna's service," and they are happy in Krsna's service.
Bhaktijana: Could they ever misuse it?
Prabhupada: Yes, they can misuse it also. That power is there. Yes?
Devotee: Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there's no possibility of falling back.
Prabhupada: No! There is possibility, but he does not come. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it again if you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead? Just like we are in renounced order of life. So we have renounced our family life after thinking something. Now, if somebody comes, "Swamiji, you take thousand millions of dollars and marry again and become a family man," I'll never become, because I have got my bad experience. I'll never become. So if one is intelligent enough, if he has got actually the bitter taste of this material world, he'll never agree. He'll never agree. But those who have not advanced to such knowledge, oh, they think, "Oh, this material enjoyment is very nice. Let me taste it and let me do business in my sannyasi life, and stealthily and privately, let me enjoy." These things are going on. That means they have no taste. They come to hospital-making or this philanthropy. This come again. Sthanad bhrastad patanty adhah. Ye 'nye aravindaksa vimukta-maninah. "Those fools who are thinking that 'Simply by thinking myself, "I am God, I am Brahman, I have become liberated," ' " but ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninas tvayy asta-bhavat [SB 10.2.32], "but there is no knowledge about You, Krsna," aruhya krcchrena param padam, "they, after performing so much austerity and penances, they rise up to the highest position, Brahman realization, but," patanty adhah, "they fall down." We have got so many instances. They take sannyasa. They say that brahma satyam jagan mithya: "This world is false. Brahman is truth." But after some days, they come to politics, they come to sociology, they come to hospital, they come to this and that. That's all. Finished. Brahman finished. Patanty adhah. They must fall down because they have no shelter in Krsna. Just like the sputnik goes very high, clap, hear clap. Uh, come down again. Where you'll go? Yes. Simply for the time being clapping, that's all. (laughs) But the fools, they are so nonsense, they are satisfied with that temporary clapping. That's all.
Bhaktijana: Has my soul ever been liberated?
Prabhupada: That you know. I do not know.
Bhaktijana: If I was once liberated...
Prabhupada: You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever. You are ever-liberated. That, the sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, this maya. This is called maya. Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. Don't you sometimes dream that tiger is eating you? Is there any tiger? You are simply thinking. So if you keep in Krsna consciousness, that nonsense thinking will go away. Therefore we have to keep ourself always in Krsnathinking so that this dream will never come. If you are always awakened, then dream never comes. So keep yourself always awakened by Krsna consciousness. All right. Distribute prasadam. (end)

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