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740813BG.VRN
Bhagavad-gita 7.7

Vrndavana, August 13, 1974
Prabhupada:
The controversy about the Absolute Truth, whether the Absolute Truth is form or formless... There are many philosophers. They, some of them are impersonalists, and some of them are personalists. They... In India the impersonalists are known as Mayavadi, and the personalists, they are known as Vaisnavas.
So here the decision is given by Krsna Himself, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krsna means Bhagavan. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. This is the conclusion of Srimad-Bhagavatam. And in the Rg Veda also it is said, tad visnoh paramam padam: "Visnu is the Supreme"; sada pasyanti surayah, "Those who are demigods, or advanced in spiritual knowledge, they always look after the lotus feet of Visnu." But the demons, they do not know that the Visnu is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Absolute Truth. They cannot. Because they have taken the atheistic attitude, they cannot understand the Absolute Truth as the Supreme Person.
na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum
durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninah
andha yathandhair upaniyamanas
te 'pisa-tantryam uru-damni baddhah
[SB 7.5.31]
Uru-damni baddhah. We are so much conditioned. As... Just like one hands and legs are tied up, he cannot do anything independently, similarly, we are so much tied up by the stringent laws of nature that we are not at all independent. But we are trying to adjust things in this material world to be happy. This is not possible. Therefore sastra says that they do not know the, what is the aim of life. Na te viduh: "They do not know." Svartha-gatim. Everyone is self-interested. Each of us, every one of us, we have got our self-interest. But we do not know actually what is our self-interest.
The self-interest is to understand Visnu. Tad visnoh paramam padam. That is our aim. Visnu and Krsna, the same. But there is controversy whether Visnu is secondary or Krsna is secondary. According to sastra, nobody's secondary. Visnu and Krsna, They are simply expansion. They are not different. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Visnu has ananta-rupam, unlimited forms. Advaitam acyutam. They are not different. The other day I explained. The candle... First candle, second candle, third candle... But no candle is less powerful than the other candles. This is the conclusion. So either we say Visnu or we say Krsna or Rama, Nrsimha, Balarama, They are all expansions of the Supreme Person Krsna. Therefore Krsna says, mattah parataram nanyat: [Bg. 7.7] "There is no more superior authority than Me." This is the conclusion. Mattah, "from Me," na anyat, "nobody else is superior." That is the conclusion of the sastra. And Krsna personally also says. Mattah parataram nanyat kincit. "Nobody."
There is controversy... In another place Krsna says, aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2]. He is the origin of all demigods. The principal demigods are Visnu and Mahesvara and... Mahesvara means Lord Siva. And Brahma. Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara. So Krsna is the origin of Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara. They are guna-avatara. For maintaining this material world... The material world is composed of three gunas: sattva, rajas, tamas. So the director of the sattva-guna department is Lord Visnu, and the director of the rajo-guna department is Lord Brahma, and the director of the tamo-guna department is Lord Siva. Origin is Krsna. Therefore in the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is concluded after describing all the incarnations of God, different incarnations, the conclusion is made, ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam: [SB 1.3.28] "All the incarnations mentioned in this chapter, they are either expansion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or expansion of the expansion, secondary expansion." Amsa-kala. Amsa means expansion, and kala means expansion of the expansion. Just like a... First expansion is Balarama, and from Balarama, next expansion is the catur-vyuha, Sankarsana, Pradyumna, Vasudeva, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Sankarsana. These expansions are going on. But that expansion does not mean one expansion is less powerful than the other. This is transcendental, the same formula. Advaitam acyutam anadim. Advaita, always advaita. Not different. Acyuta, not fall down. So Krsna is the origin. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. They are isvara. Isvara means controller, powerful. Even the demigods, they are also isvaras. You are also isvara. I am also isvara. Isvara means controller. Anyone who has got little control, he can be called isvara. That is the dictionary meaning. But even the original isvaras, namely Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara, they are also not supreme isvara. The supreme isvara is Krsna. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. That is the shastric inclusion, conclusion.
So sastra says Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Krsna Himself also says, mattah parataram nanyat [Bg. 7.7]. Therefore, as Arjuna understood Krsna, param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan... [Bg. 10.12]. Arjuna has said that "I heard from the sastras about Yourself, and You are personally speaking that You are the Supreme. And not only that, the great sages like Vyasadeva, Asita, Devala, great authorities, they also admit that You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Therefore there is no doubt. The conclusion is the Supreme Personality of Godhead is Krsna. As it was in the beginning said by Krsna, asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [Bg. 7.1]. Asamsayam, "without any doubt."
So that... The Krsna consciousness movement means... You can understand who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There are so many societies all over the world, so many religious systems, but they cannot give exact idea of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Some has got some idea, others have got other idea, but so far we are concerned, we are fixed up in Krsna. And that is rightly. Because Krsna is supported not only by the Vedas and by the demigods, headed by Lord Brahma, and authorities like Vyasadeva, Asita, Devala. And Arjuna, who heard Bhagavad-gita personally from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he also admits. All the acaryas. Even Sankaracarya, although he was impersonalist, he admits, "Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead," sa bhagavan svayam krsnah. Narayana... He also admits that "Narayana is not a person of this created material world," narayanah parah avyaktat. And he admits also, krsnas tu..., sa bhagavan svayam krsnah, "He has appeared as the son of Devaki and Vasudeva." He admits.
So Krsna is admitted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead by all authorities. There is no doubt about it. And Krsna personally confirms, mattah parataram nanyat: [Bg. 7.7] "There is no more superior being than Myself." So where is the difficulty to understand what is God? There is no difficulty. But if we are obstinate, if we do not try to understand what is God, that is a different thing. But everything is there. So we should take it for acceptance that nobody is superior than Krsna. Bhagavata says, krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Brahma-samhita says, isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. So it is concluded. There is no controversy. Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya, mayi sarvam idam protam: [Bg. 7.7] "Everything is in Me."
It is already explained that Krsna has got two energies. Just like heat and light, the energies of the fire. Similarly, Krsna is enjoying His spiritual, blissful life. He is spiritual, sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah ananda... [Bs. 5.1]. Anandamayo 'bhyasat (Vedanta-sutra 1.1.12). So He is in Vrndavana having His ananda, spiritual bliss, enjoyment, with His associates, ever associ..., eternal associates, the gopis, the cowherds boys, His mother, His father, mother Yasoda, Nanda, Nanda Maharaja. So He is enjoying in His abode, Goloka. That is also confirmed: goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhutah [Bs. 5.37]. Still, He is present everywhere. Ekamsena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42]. Andantara-stha-paramanu-cayantara-stham [Bs. 5.35]. He is within this universe, He is within your heart... Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. In one word: without Him, nothing can exist. Therefore it is said, mayi sarvam idam protam: "Everything is existing in Me." Sarvam idam.
The two energies... In the material world, the two energies are working. The two energies are from Krsna. Therefore everything is resting on Krsna. In another place Krsna says, maya tatam idam sarvam [Bg. 9.4]. The same thing: "I am expanded." Tatam. Tatam means expanded. So He is expanded by His energy. Just like the lamp is expanded by the light. When the illumination in the lamp will be stopped, the expansion also will stop. Similarly, whatever we see, it is all resting on Krsna's energy. It is working on Krsna's energy. Just like I am... It is not very difficult to understand. Just like I am. What is "I am"? Am I this body? No, I am not this body. The body is my house. I am living in the house. Am I this mind? No, I am not this mind. This is called meditation, to understand, "I am not this body, I am not this..." Neti neti. "I am, aham brahmasmi."
So aham brahmasmi... Dehino 'smin yatha dehe [Bg. 2.13]. That Brahman, particle of Brahman, is there within the body. It is very small. You just study. It is stated that atma and Paramatma, they are living together. And where is the atma, Paramatma? The Paramatma is stated also, isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. So everything... Paramatma is within my heart and I am sitting with Paramatma; therefore I am also within the heart. So medical science, they also know. They take care of the heart. When the heart stops, then everything stops. That means when the atma goes out of the heart, it has no meaning. So in the small scale the whole construction of this body is dependent on that atma. So this is the example, that the atma is so small, one ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair. Because that small particle is there within this body, therefore it is so beautiful, it is nicely working, the brain is working. Everything is there. Scientists, they are finding out, trying to find out what is the living force. Sometimes they are catching the blood; sometimes they are catching the cells, or this, or that... But failure. Because they could not capture the atma. But atma is so small. It is not possible. Even you cannot see where it is. But it is perceived that there is something within this body, living force generally they call it. Therefore the body's working. So... And the... It is spread all over the body. Yena sarvam idam tatam. Avinasi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idam tatam. That thing which is sarvam idam tatam, spread all over the body as light, illumination...
So I am atma, you are atma. So your illumination, consciousness, is spread all over the body. Therefore so long I am in this body, I feel pains and pleasure because the consciousness is spread. In the same way... As Krsna says, He's the Supreme Soul. I am individual, very, very minute, small particle, and Krsna is the supreme whole. So as I am controlling over this body, so where is the difficulty? Krsna is controlling over the whole universe. Where is the difficulty? There is no difficulty. But we'll not understand. That is the difficulty. Here it is clearly said, mayi sarvam idam protam sutre mani-gana iva. There is no difficulty. In another place also, Krsna says, maya tatam idam sarvam. Maya, the original is person, maya, aham. Maya. So "by Me." Sarvam idam tatam. How? That is already explained. By the two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy. Para and apara-prakrti. That is expanded all over the universe, creation. So where is the difficulty? Maya tatam idam sarvam. Anything, that is Krsna's energy. Therefore those who are devotee, Vaisnava, they can understand that everything is Krsna's. I am also Krsna's energy. You are also Krsna's energy, jiva-bhutah. Apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakrtim param, jiva-bhutam. We are para-prakrti, all of us, living entities, part and parcel of Krsna.
So the living entity and this matter, two combination, makes the whole creation. Everywhere the creation is going on. So therefore the conclusion is maya tatam idam sarvam, "Everywhere I am expanded." Where is the difficulty to understand? Sutre mani-gana iva. As the pearls are set up on a thread, standing... Everything is dazzling, but they're all resting on the thread. Similarly, everything is resting on Krsna. Krsna is the support. We are discovering so many laws. Or the laws are there; they are discovering the laws. But the original support is Krsna. The whole planetary system, the modern science says, the law of gravitation. But that is not very perfectly explained. We can question. There are so many things. But from the Vedic literature we understand that Krsna in His ananta feature, Anantadeva, or Sesasayi Naga... The hoods are expanded, and all the planets are resting on His hood. It is so small, and the hood is very big. In the Caitanya-caritamrta... So therefore the planets are resting not on the law of gravitation but on the head of Krsna in His form of Sesa. This is our Vedic conclusion.
So any way you take what Krsna says, mayi sarvam idam protam, "Everything resting on Me..." Similarly, in the Ninth Chapter Krsna said, maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina. The energies are avyakta. Energy. Just like there is light, but it is impersonal, but the lamp is personal, or localized, similarly, Krsna's energies... Or take another example. The sunshine is impersonal, but the sun is personal. Sun is not imperson. Wherefrom the sunshine is coming? It is coming from the sun globe. And within the sun globe there is the sun-god. His name is there also—Vivasvan. Name means person. As the sun is person and we worship the sun, Savita... Om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam... So this is the worship of the sun-god, the morning sunrise. So the sun-god is also person.
So we can study what is the nature of the Absolute Person by studying the sun. The sun globe is localized. The sunshine is spread all over the universe, and within the sun globe there is the sun-god, Vivasvan. Similarly, the original planet is Goloka Vrndavana. Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vrksa-laksavrtesu surabhir abhipalayantam [Bs. 5.29]. Vaikunthaloka. Original, the Goloka Vrndavana, the abode of Krsna. So take it... Just like sun globe. And within the Goloka Vrndavana planet there is the Supreme Person, Krsna, just like exactly within the sun the person, sun-god, his name is Vivasvan. And from that globe, Goloka Vrndavana, there is rays. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti-kotisv asesa-vasudhadi-vibhuti-bhinnam [Bs. 5.40]. On account of that effulgence from the Goloka Vrndavana, there are innumerable spiritual and material planets. The spiritual planets are called Vaikunthalokas, and in the material sphere there are so many planets—Sun, Moon, Venus, Earth, so many, millions and millions... They are all resting on that effulgence, Brahman effulgence. Yasya prabha. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti [Bs. 5.40]. Tad brahma niskalam anantam asesa-bhutam govindam. The brahmajyoti is the rays of, the bodily rays of Krsna. So everything is resting... We have got experience that these material planetary systems, they are resting on the sunshine. The scientist knows it. On account of the heat of the sunshine, all the planetary systems or the globes, they are moving, going around. It is not stopped. There is a small apparatus—I have seen in America—that as soon as you give heat, within that, I mean to say, glass, the one is glow, it is rotating... (end)

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