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Aligarh, October 9, 1976
Prabhupada: ...very glad to see you again. So this sankirtana is all glorious. That is the blessings of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Param vijayate sri-krsna-sankirtanam. This is His blessing: simply by sankirtana in this age. It is confirmed in the Vedic literature, in Vedanta-sutra. Sabdad anavrtti. Anavrtti, liberation. Our present position is bondage. We are bound up by the laws of nature. We may foolishly declare independence—that is our foolishness—but actually we are bound up by the laws of nature.
We are bound up by the laws of nature, but those who are fools, vimudhatma, under false prestige, such person thinks that he is independent. No. That is not. So this is misunderstanding. So this misunderstanding has to be cleaned. That is the aim of life. Therefore Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommends that if you chant Hare Krsna maha-mantra, then the first installment of benefit is ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. Because misunderstanding means within the heart. If the heart is clear, consciousness is clear, then there is no misunderstanding. So this consciousness has to be cleansed. And that is the first installment of the result of chanting Hare Krsna. Kirtanad eva krsnasya mukta-sanga param vrajet [SB 12.3.51]. Simply by chanting Krsna's, krsnasya, holy name of Krsna, Hare Krsna. Hare Krsna, Hare Rama, the same thing. Rama and Krsna there is no difference. Ramadi-murtisu kala-niyamena tisthan [Bs. 5.39]. So you require. The present position is misunderstanding, that "I am product of this material nature," "I am this body." "I am Indian," "I am American," "I am brahmana," "I am ksatriya," and so on, so on... So many designations. But we are none of them. This is the clearing. Ceto-darpana. When you understand clearly that "I am not an Indian, I'm not an American, I'm not brahmana, I'm not ksatriya"—means "I am not this body"—then the consciousness will be aham brahmasmi. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati [Bg. 18.54]. This is wanted. This is success of life. Otherwise, if we remain in darkness of our existence...
Everyone is abodha-jato. So anyone born in this material world in different platform... One may take birth as demigod in the heavenly planets or one may take birth as a human being in the lower planets. And lower than that, animal, plants. There are 8,400,000 different species of life. So any form of life, we are bound up by the laws of nature, and bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan. The purusah... Purusah means the living entity. Purusah... Actually, nobody is purusah. Everyone is prakrti. Apareyam itas tv viddhi me prakrtim param. Para prakrtim. The material, matter, is the apara-prakrti, and spirit soul is para-prakrti. In the Bhagavad-gita it is clearly explained, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh [Bg. 7.4]. This is... Bhinna me prakrtir astadha. This is separated. This is also nature, but inferior. Apareyam itas tv viddhi me prakrtim param. There is another prakrti. What is that? Jiva-bhuto. This living entity. So living entity is also prakrti, but because he has the tendency to enjoy this material world, he is sometimes described as purusah. Purusah means enjoyer and prakrti means enjoyed. So the prakrti forgets her position and artificially he wants to become purusah. So this purusah, prakrti 'stho. Purusah prakrti 'stho bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan. So long he's in this material world, he has to associate with the modes of material nature, sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan. And on account of the influence of the prakrti-jan guna, he has to take different types of bodies. Purusah prakrti 'stho bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan karanam guna sango 'sya [Bg. 13.22]. This is the karana. He's associating with a particular type of the modes of prakrti-jan gunan—sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna—and on account of this he gets different types of body. You have to change your body. Dehantaram. Tatha dehantaram-praptir. But different grades of body is awarded by the laws of nature according to our karma. Karmana daiva netrena [SB 3.31.1]. So this is... Our material position is that we are associating with different modes of material nature, and that is infection. If you become infected with some disease, germ, then you have to suffer from that disease. You cannot check it. Similarly, this infection will give us our next body. That we do not know. This is a rascal civilization. They're kept into the darkness, that how things are going on. Their so-called education, university... So whatever they are doing, they are all being defeated. Parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan na jijnasata atma-tattvam. Atma-tattvam. Unless one is inquisitive to understand "What I am?" whatever he is doing, he's being defeated. That's all. Parabhavah.
So the human life is meant for understanding what is the position, "What I am?" This is intelligence. When Sanatana Gosvami approached Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu he was minister, very big man, but he understood that "What I am doing is not to my interest, because I do not know what I am." He submitted to Caitanya Mahaprabhu that gramya-vyavahare kahe pandit satya kari mani. "In my relationship with my neighbors, they call 'panditaji.' " He was brahmana. "So I accept it, 'Yes, I (am) pandita.' " So what is the wrong? "The wrong is that I am such a pandita that I do not know what I am." (laughs) So ask anybody. Our Dr. Sukla is also... (chuckles ) So ask any doctor, "What you are?" "Huh? I am Indian," "I am brahmana." This answer you'll get. "I'm American." Nobody will say aham brahmasmi. Nobody will say. Nobody will say because he does not know. So what is the value of this education if one does not know what he is? Therefore sastra says parabhavah. In ignorance, gross ignorance, anything you are doing, that is parabhava. So this Krsna consciousness movement is to save the people from this defeating position. We are trying... So far I have tried single-handed. And now the, a little pressure is felt even by some American politicians. Recently one American politician has remarked that "This Hare Krsna movement is just like epidemic. (laughs) And if we do not take any step then within ten years they'll take our government." So the Communists in India, they are trying to defeat us in so many ways.
Indian man: We have seen the articles in Blitz.
Prabhupada: Because they are also afraid. Because the Communist movement means godlessness. And our movement is, "Here is God." There is no blind faith. "Here is God, Krsna! You take His name, you take His address—everything." Practical. So that is a great cause of fear for these Communists. So they are against us. So now I shall request the sresthas, those who are leading persons in India, they should join this movement, take it seriously. It is not a bogus movement. It is a scientific movement. And we have so many books. Now, at the present moment, we have got eighty-four books. So that is my request, that people should come forward. They should come forward and take seriously this movement. And we have got our places. In Bombay we have got big place. In Vrndavana we have got big place. In Nadia we have got big place. At least elderly gentlemen like you... Now you should retire from family life and leave in charge of the grown-up boys. You should take seriously for India's interest, for everyone's interest, but as we want... We should not keep people in darkness. That is very risky. Very risky. You may be very proud that "I am this, I am that, I have to...," but you are after all under the control of the laws of nature. That you cannot avoid. Falsely proud. But you have to abide by it. Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14]. It is not so easy. Actually, nature's law, you can eat once attar. If you eat little more than that, then there is indigestion immediately. You have to go to the doctor. So what is your independence? You cannot violate a little portion of the laws of nature. So many. In every step. As soon as you violate, immediately there is punishment. And still, we are declaring independence. Asatyam. What is that? Where is Bhagavad-gita? Find out. Jagad ahur anisvaram [Bg. 16.8]. Asatyam apratistham te jagad ahur anisvaram. "There is no God." Why you say there is no...? You are under control. There is a controller; otherwise, how you are under control? So this foolishness must be stopped in order to make them happy, really happy. Otherwise, if they are kept into ignorance and things go on like this, then the future picture is very gloomy. It has already become gloomy, and future is very, very gloomy. So everyone should come forward, take this movement seriously, and at least, we are Indians, we should take care of Indians. We should not keep people in ignorance. That is not civilization. That is not civilization. Civilization means tamasi ma jyotir gama. Come to the light. Don't keep yourself in darkness. That is not civilization. That, this civilization is keeping people in darkness. That is very risky. So we should take it very seriously and push this movement very scientifically, soberly, and people will be benefited.
Indian man: What are the, our Prime Minister's view regarding this movement?
Prabhupada: So far I know, she likes this movement. But she is also not independent.
Indian man: That's true. Nobody is independent. Even she.
Prabhupada: Recently one of my students met the Home Minister. He said, "Yes, this movement should be spread all over the world." They are appreciating. But there are different parties, different circumstances. Our four items—no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling—so I think they are taking some steps on this ground. They are trying to stop cow-killing.
Indian man (2): Yes, they have already banned cow-killing.
Prabhupada: And they are going to take steps for intoxication.
Indian man (2): Stopping intoxication also. Actually, these are the things which can bring up the character of the nation.
Prabhupada: We are already intoxicated in material existence, and if more intoxication is there then...
Indian man (2): From bad to worse.
Prabhupada: Yes. So this civilization, this education is simply misleading. Simply misleading. There is no enlightenment of this question, "What I am?" No. No answer.
Indian man (1): Now we have present here some Life Members of ISKCON.
Prabhupada: Oh. [break] Life Members should be active Life Members. (laughter) Yes. (Hindi) If there is any doubt.
Indian man (1): Maharaja, the one who brought ISKCON to this house is that boy, son of my..., who became first Life Member of ISKCON.
Prabhupada: Oh, very intelligent.
Indian man (3): His name is Subodh, which means...
Prabhupada: Very intelligent. Subodh means... (laughter) I was talking of abodh. Yes. Abodha-jato.
Prabhupada: He is subodha.
Indian man (3): Parabhava, defeated.
Prabhupada: Defeat. And one is subodha, he is victory. So human life is meant for becoming subhodha, not abodha. But they are keeping abodha. This is difficulty. Everyone is abodha.
Indian man (2): Maharaja, I had a gentleman talking to me who is very intimate with Sanjaya Gandhi. And he was telling me that Sanjaya Gandhi very forcefully hinted, "Why are you people not working now? Why is the Arya-samaj silent? Why the other powerful sects and movements are not working? Why have you taken this country into the hands of Muslims?" These were his words. "Why do you want that the country should depend, or the government should depend, on the support of Muslims? What are you doing? Why don't you come up?"
Indian man (1): But our government is supporting them, you see.
Indian man (2): Swami Maharaja said that they are forces which when if you want to keep yourself in power, you have to sometimes ban and this...
Indian man (3): That's true.
Prabhupada: No. Apart from government, the first thing is... Sometimes we say, "Rama-rajya." The Rama-rajya means... There is a verse in Bhagavatam that when Lord Ramacandra took charge of the, after coming back from the forest, His brother Bharata surrendered and He took charge of the kingdom. So the residents, the subjects, are described as a varnasrama gunanvita (?).
Indian man (3): Varnasrama...?
Prabhupada: Gunanavita. So Rama-rajya can be established. And it is said there that Lord Ramacandra was maintaining the kingdom, taking the citizens as His own son. Pitrvat rama. It is said there. Pitrvat. As the father of the family takes charge of the children very nicely, so it is the government's duty to become the sensible father of the citizens. And the citizens will be qualified following the institution of varnasrama. Then there will be Rama-rajya.
Indian man (3): That's the most scientific understanding...
Indian man (2): No. Prabhupada rightly said in one of the meetings in Delhi that you people try to follow people who are in power. If Indira Gandhi were to do mala just like this, I'm sure millions of people in India would be doing mala like this. So she's doing that.
Indian man (2): But you will not follow me because I have no political power; therefore you have not mala japa. (Hindi)
Indian man (1): He is my eldest grandson. Here is another man, Subhoda.
Prabhupada: He is subhoda and abodha. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Subhoda (Hindi) avatara.
Indian man (1): He has described God. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Do you know what is God? Do you know?
Indian man (1): Do you know what is God or not?
Boy: I want to know.
Prabhupada: You want to know? Do you know the meaning of the God? Then how you are asking what is God? If I say something wrong, how you'll understand if you do not know? Suppose you go to purchase something, "Give me gold," and if he gives you iron, then what you'll do? You do not know what is God, gold. You must know first of all what is God. Then you ask. If you do not know, then you'll be cheated. That is going on. That is going on.
Indian man (1): Maharaja, but there must be somebody to say that "this is gold and this is iron."
Prabhupada: Yes, that means requires a superior education. Yes. The father, mother should be responsible...
Indian man (1): So who can be a greater than your Divine Grace?
Prabhupada: No, no. The father, father... The first thing is that why do you send your sons to the school? It is duty that he should know. So if the father is a rascal, then how the son can be subodha? (laughter) Therefore the sastra says that unless you can train your son to overcome this process of birth, death, old..., you don't become a father. You remain a rascal. Don't beget children. This is contraception. Pita na sa syaj janani na sa syat na mocayed yah samupeta-mrtyum. The real problem is mrtyu. But they have taken it that "It is ordinary." But nobody wants to die. The education is na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. But who knows that I do not die after the destruction of the body? Then why I am put into this position that I have to change this body, I have to die? This question does not arise. Therefore they're abodha. The instruction is na jayate na mriyate va kadacit na hanyate hanyamane sarire. There is no inquiry that "If I'm not born, why I am born in this body?" This is question. Athato brahma jijnasa. "If I am not subjected to death, then why I am dying?" This question does not arise at all. Therefore everyone is abodha-jato. Nobody is subodha. Everyone is abodha. The problem is there, but he does not inquire.
Indian lady: Maharaja, don't you think it's high time that our Indian philosophy or Indian religion, some classes should be started in schools like they used to have? Missionaries used to have scripture classes in school. There should be in all the schools, I mean, classes on our own religion instead of learning somebody else's.
Prabhupada: It is not only... When we say that dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara... [Bg. 2.13]. So as this boy, he was a child, now he has become a boy, then after few years he'll become a young man. And then he'll become middle-aged man, then he'll become old man. So this is not our religion, your religion. This is fact. Scientific. When Bhagavad-gita says dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara, that is not meant for the so-called Hindus. It is meant for the Muslims, meant for the Christians, everyone. It is science. Religion is a kind of faith. That they describe. But religion is also not a blind faith. Religion means the order of God. That is religion. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Just like law means the order of the state. Similarly, religion means the order of God. So if you have no conception of God, if you do not know what is God, what is order, then where is religion? It is all bogus.
Indian man (1): What my sister was saying was that most of the parents do not understand how they should bring up their progeny.
Prabhupada: Yes. At least, the children should be... Therefore I'm starting that Gurukula in Vrndavana. So you come, you manage that take the ideas, and make your children... Whatever mistake is done is done. Now why the mistake should continue? Rectify it.
Indian man: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Then kick out secularism. Kick out secularism. Science, it is science.
Indian man: Science is nothing. What is God, what is nature, what is soul.
Indian man (1): You don't give it the name of one particular way. You simply deal it with the basic idea of transforming the human...
Prabhupada: When a child becomes a boy, there is no question of secularism. It is science. It is fact. Can you by secularism stop a child growing to become a boy? When I was explaining in South Africa these things, one Arya-samaji friend, he criticized me that "Why you are bringing Hindu ideas?" So I said, "Is it Hindu ideas? A child grows to become a boy. It is Hindu idea? Why you are so fool you're calling Hindu idea?" A child grows to become a boy. This is science.
Indian man: The law of nature.
Indian man: Dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara, tatha dehantara-praptir [Bg. 2.13]. Naturally...
Indian man (1): Our approach is so wrong that people take it as...
Prabhupada: Immediately we can pass in a sectarian.
Indian lady: That is why it is necessary to have this as a part of social studies like you have other subjects in schools. If it is not given any more...
Prabhupada: But then, as soon as you say "Bhagavad-gita," immediately, "Hindu."
Indian man (1): What sister wants to know is that how can we add in innumerable, rather, uncountless schools and colleges? The management will be most willing, I mean, the progressive management will be most willing to introduce classes where such laws of nature and such-on scientific line, without giving it a Hindu or religious name. That should be taught. A curriculum should be drawn up. Because we control some of the schools.
Prabhupada: That is my program. I am writing all books just only on this point; therefore they are coming. Otherwise, what is the use? They were Christians and Jews. What is the use of becoming Hindus? So anyone wants to understand what is Krsna consciousness movement, they can understand easily if he joins Hare Krsna, chant. That is all right. If he wants to understand scientifically, there are eighty-four books. Come on. Which way you want?
Indian man (1): No. What we want is a very simple curricular. Elementary type.
Prabhupada: Simple, this is simple curricular.
Indian man (1): So that they gradually, as a child grows into adolescence, when his intelligence also grows, his knowledge also grows. And then we give him still more deeper knowledge of the various things which we have been teaching on elementary basis. And still deeper. Just like this.
Prabhupada: Just like this child, this boy inquired, "What is God?" So he can be instructed that "God is the Supreme Controller, just like your father is your controller." He'll accept this. Can you go against your father's will? He says no. He'll say naturally.
Indian man: (indistinct)
Prabhupada: So, he'll understand English? He's angrej? (laughter)
Indian man: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Very good.
Indian man: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: Just like at home you are controlled by your parents. Is it not? You like to obey them?
Indian man: You like to obey them or sometimes you don't want to obey them?
Prabhupada: Similarly, you take the whole world as a big family. So there must be somebody, father and controller. Otherwise, how it is being conducted? That is God, the Supreme Controller. Just like in your family the father is the controller, similarly, you take it in wide scale, broader scale, there must be somebody father. Therefore the Christians, they take it, "O Father, give us our daily bread." And in the Bhagavad-gita it is also confirmed, aham bija-pradah pita.
sambhavanti murtayah yah
tasam mahad yonir brahma
aham bija-pradah pita
[break] Then he decided, "Yes, I shall fight." Krsna inquired from him, "Now I have instructed you. Now, whatever you like you can do. And what is your decision?" Then he clearly said, "Yes, my decision is there. I'll fight." Karisye vacanam tava [Bg. 18.73]. "As You advise, I understand that You want this fighting." So Vaisnava means for the sake of Krsna he can do anything. Not that he is lazy fellow, showing, "I have become very big Vaisnava. Let me sleep under the name of chanting Hare Krsna." That is not Vaisnava. Vaisnava must be very busy, always awaiting the order of the... Anukulyena krsnanu-silanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. "What is Krsna's order? What does He want?" He is ready. Just like a servant is always ready to receive the order of the master. That is faithful servant. That is real servant. Not that at night duty he is sleeping somewhere. No. That is not faithful servant. Faithful servant means always alert. And that is bhakti. Anukulyena krsnanu-silanam bhaktir uttama [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Simply one has to execute, anukulyena, how Krsna is satisfied. This is bhakti.
So Hanuman is example. Hanuman was ordered to bring some medicine from some mountain. And he was a monkey, he was animal, he did not know how to pick up it—"Take the whole mountain. Execute the order. And then Ramacandra and Laksmana, They'll find out what is that medicine." So this is Vaisnava. In one's own capacity he should give the best service to the Lord. That is bhakti. Bhakti is not laziness. If somebody thinks that "The bhaktas are lazy fellows and they are out of the worldly activity," that is mistake. It is mistake. Anukulyena krsnanu-silanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Krsna says personally, yat karosi yaj juhosi dadasi yat tapasyasi yat kurusva mad-arpanam: "Come on! Do it for Me." That is bhakti.. He does not say that "You become a lazy fellow, give up your occupational duty, and sleep, and snore, and become a great devotee." No. He never says. He says that "You are attached to this kind of work. All right, do it, but the result you give Me," that is bhakti. "Arjuna, you are a military man. All right, I ask you to fight. You become a fighter and become My devotee." Bhakto 'si priyo 'si me [Bg. 4.3]. Just see. What is that? He was not chanting Hare Krsna. But Krsna says, bhakto 'si priyo 'si me: "You are very dear friend and My devotee." Did he go on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra... So not that imitation. Of course, ultimate is always be absorbed in glorifying the Lord, but not in the beginning. In the beginning you must work very hard; you come to the stage of pure devotional platform. Then you can fully engage yourself meditation or chanting. Not in the beginning. In the beginning you should be very expert and active. That is wanted. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... Udilo, from early in the morning, active. "Come on, chant. Come with Me so that others will see. If we make a party chanting Hare Krsna, so in the beginning they may be disturbed because they have been accustomed to sleep up to nine o'clock, but as they will hear, gradually they'll become purified. They'll receive it."
So that is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. He practically did it, and He asked everyone to do it. Amara ajnaya guru hana tara ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. "This is My order." He could remain a big devotee at His home. He was very popular in Navadvipa, even when He was twenty years old. But still, He took sannyasa and went door to door, village to village, town to town in India, and He left His order: prthivite ache yata nagaradi-grama. "All over the world, as many towns and villages are there, this Krsna consciousness movement should be..." Not that "We are big, big gosvamis and babajis. We do not go out of Vrndavana." They say that: "We do not go out of..." You are imitating them. (chuckles) Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that prthivite ache yata nagaradi-grama. And they have become very big Vaisnava: "No, I don't go beyond the limits of Vrndavana." What is this nonsense? Did Caitanya Mahaprabhu say like that, that "You do not go beyond the limits...?" A devotee, wherever he is, that is Vrndavana. That is Vrndavana tirtha. Kurvanti tirthani. A devotee, a pure devotee, can make any hell a tirtha, a holy place. That is devotee. Tirthi-kurvanti tirthani. That was Bhagiratha. Ganga was hesitating, mother Ganga, that "I shall go to the material world. People will take, all sinful men will take bathing, and I'll be overloaded with sin. Then how I shall get out of this sinful, accumulation of sins?" So Bhagiratha said, "My mother, don't hesitate. When a holy man will take bath in your water, then all the sins he will assimilate." Then she agreed. "Yes. That's..." So if we become holy man, actually, then immune. There is no difference. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu. These are bogus, that "I do not go out of Vrndavana." They are making Vrndavana limited. Vrndavana is not limited. Wherever there is Krsna, wherever there is Radha-Krsna temple, that is Vrndavana. That is Vrndavana. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He, once only, He went to Vrndavana. Does it mean He was not in Vrndavana? So this is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission, that preaching must go on in hell and heaven. We should be very much expert and follow the instruction of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the simple instructions. Mukunda madhava yadava hari bolena bolo re vadana bori. Simply chant the holy names of Lord, mukunda madhava yadava. This is Caitanya. Rise early in the morning. You go and preach, and work hard, day and night, and that is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... This song indicates. That's all.
Devotees: Jaya. (offer obeisances)
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. (Hindi) ...they are offering their... We have received one letter, telegram, from one gentleman. What is his name? Patel? Bhogilal Patel. He's very rich man. So I was sometimes a guest in his house. He is very friendly. He comes to see me in Bombay. Old man. He is older than me, one or two years. But he has sent me one telegram, "Swamiji, take this land, one hundred acres of land in Ahmedabad."
Indian man: In?
Prabhupada: Ahmedabad. Yes. So... There are so many. One gentleman has offered land in Mahabaleshwar. This is very costly place.
Indian man: Mahabaleshwar. Very costly place and very nice place.
Prabhupada: (laughs) Very nice. And wherefrom other offers we have got?
Hamsaduta: Hyderabad we have.
Prabhupada: Hyderabad he has already... That is six hundred acres of land. What is the name of that place? Do you remember?
Hamsaduta: Where? Hyderabad? No. We call it New Naimisaranya.
Prabhupada: No, we have named New Naimisaranya. A very nice place.
Indian man: You'll get a lot of offers. And as you rightly said that these Vaisnavas, they want to become matha-desas, they want to become like kings. They don't want to leave their empire and go out, working hard like you and spreading the message of Lord Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is our mission.
Prabhupada: Yes. Bhakta will create Vrndavana. Krsna says, naham tisthami vaikuntha. "I do not stay in Vaikuntha." Naham tisthami vaikunthe yoginam hrdayesu. "Neither I stay at the heart, core of the heart of the yogis." Tatra tisthami narada yatra gayanti mad-bhaktah. "When My pure devotee chants the glories of My..., I immediately stay there. I immediately stay." It's not that He is packed up in some place. He's all-pervading. Vasudeva. Vasudeva. Therefore His name is Vasudeva. Vasudeva. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. He's everywhere. Electricity is everywhere. Only one who knows how to take the electricity... So Caitanya Mahaprabhu's preaching and teaching, their effect you have to follow. Then our life will be successful. We don't manufacture ideas. That is not wanted. And if they... They have manufactured the ideas. The Hindus, samudra (Hindi) janasi (Hindi) pratikulyam. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama. (Hindi) Foolish theories. Just see. As soon as you cross over the Bay of Bengal or Indian Ocean, you become immediately fallen.
Indian man: You become an outcaste. (laughs)
Prabhupada: That's all. Our Madan Mohan Ballabha, he was invited Round Table conference. He took so much Ganges earth. He was mixing that Ganges earth with water. He's going for political purposes, and showing a... What is called? Hobby. This is not that. Now this movement is there, and unless we do it very sincerely and vigorously, it cannot be pushed on.(Hindi conversation) ....daily five lakhs, six lakhs (Hindi) ...Life Member. We have Life Member?
Dhananjaya: In London. London's about fifteen hundred.
Hamsaduta: Where? In London, Amsterdam, and Montreal. We're making Life Members everywhere now.
Indian man: How many Life Members in India? Must have at least ten thousand.
Prabhupada: No. Indian, everyone should become a Life Member.
Indian man: Certainly. Everybody devotees.
Prabhupada: And it is India's duty that everyone should take up such a cultural movement. That is India's glory. I have given one statement, I do not know whether it is published. The, some of the places, they are against me. So where is that copy? Have you got that copy?
Hamsaduta: I don't know which.
Prabhupada: Hmm. I've given one statement...
Indian man: Maharaja, have you sent that reply to that questionnaire which was sent to you from Bhavan's Journal? Bhavan's Journal sent you a questionnaire.
Prabhupada: Yes. I have sent that answer. Eighty-four pages. For twenty-one questions I have answered eighty-four pages.
Indian man: I think in Delhi you must call a press conference.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) [break] ...by seeing him, if we remember Krsna, he is Vaisnava. He never said that you must be born in a brahmana family or... No. If by seeing him only one remembers Krsna, then that person is Vaisnava.
Dhananjaya: So couldn't that point be expressed in the government somehow?
Prabhupada: Well, emergency government. They can do anything immediately.
Indian man: Sir, these nationalities, I mean... (break—tape has short conversation later) (Hindi) ...the good wife, good mother. Good wife, one is a good mother. Tyaktva su-dustaja rajya-laksmim dharmistha. (Hindi) (end)
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