Śrī Brahma-saṁhitā, Verse 29 – November 8, 1968, Los Angeles

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Prabhupada: [leads kirtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]

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[sings:] Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami.

[aside: Yes, open.]

Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami.

Prabhupada: [sings verse:]

This is the description of Krsna's abode. So, cintamani-prakara. As here we find houses are constructed of bricks, there the houses are constructed of cintamani stone, touchstone. You have heard the name. Touchstone, if you touch that stone into iron, the iron becomes gold. That is called philosopher's stone or touchstone.

So cintamani, the land and the houses are made of touchstone. Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vrksa. Kalpa-vrksa: "desire tree." There the trees are desire tree, because they are all spiritual. Just like if I ask you, "Please bring me a glass of water," you can supply me. If I ask you, "Bring me something else," so you can bring me also-because you are spirit, developed.

But if I ask a tree, suppose, supplying rose flower, if I ask, "Oh, please bring me lavender flower," it cannot. Why? Because although it is spirit, it is not so developed.

Here we see spirit, consciousness, different stages of development. That makes different status of life. And that different status of life are varieties, 8,400,000 developing. Developing means different kinds of body. Just like this child. Now this child has got a certain type of body.

The consciousness is according to that body. This child, when she will be grown-up as a young girl, her consciousness will be different-the same child. So the spirit soul is encaged by this material body, and according to the body, the consciousness is different. It is very simple to understand. Take example of this child.

The same child, same spirit soul, because it is now dwelling in a different type of body, its consciousness is different than the mother's, because the mother has got a different type of body and the child has got a different type of body.

So it is not very difficult to understand that our consciousness are different type according to the body. So you go on developing. This human form of life is considered to be the most advanced animal. Human, human being also called animal according to logic. They are called rational animal.

A human being is rational animal. Animal. And in the Vedas, sastra also, they are called animal. Jantu. Jantu means "animal." So it is when that spiritual consciousness, that Krsna consciousness, is fully developed, full-fledged. Just like a rose flower, it has got different stages: the bud stages, the second stage, the third stage, the fourth stage, and when it is the blossom flower with full fragrance and beauty and color, you like: "Oh, it is very nice flower." Similarly, you develop your consciousness. When it comes to the point of Krsna consciousness, fully developed, that is your perfection of life.

That perfection of life is there. In the cintamani, in the abode of Krsna, everyone-the tree, the animal, the cows, the birds, the bees, and the goddess of fortunes… They are called, all the women there, they are called goddess of fortune. Every woman is goddess of fortune. So there men are very beautiful, women are very beautiful, many, many thousand times of beautiful.

These are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. But the men are attracted, but there is so much attraction for krsna-kirtana that both men and women forget of anything of sex life. It is so nice, so attractive, that they have no more attraction for sex life. There is embracing, there is kissing-everything is there-but there is no sex life. Because they have got another thing, param drstva nivartate [Bg 2.59]. So sublime, so sweet, so transcendental, that they are simply absorbed in Krsna thought. That is Krsna consciousness, perfection of Krsna consciousness.

So cintamani, there the trees, they have accepted the form of trees willingly: "I like to serve Krsna as a plant," "I like to serve Krsna as a tree," "I like to serve Krsna as this or that." So everything is there. Just like this calf is loving Krsna in his own way, and Krsna is also embracing, yes, responding. Not that because it is calf, animal, Krsna is neglecting. No. Krsna reciprocates His love. As you love Him, so He also reciprocates.

Everyone is loving Krsna in different stages. And the response is there also by Krsna. So when you are full-fledged Krsna conscious, that is your perfection of life. And that can be seen in the transcendental abode of Krsna known as Goloka Vrndavana.

Goloka Vrndavana, that Goloka Vrndavana is descended with Krsna. When Krsna comes within this universe, His Goloka Vrndavana also comes with Him. Just like when the king goes somewhere, his all staff, his secretary, his military commander, his this, that-everyone goes with him. Similarly, when Krsna comes on this planet, all His paraphernalia, entourage, everyone comes to display, to attract us, that "You are after this. You want to love."

Here you see in Vrndavana how everything is based on love. There is nothing else. They do not know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They don't care to know it. But their natural affection and love is so intense for Krsna that they cannot think anything else except Krsna twenty-four hours. That is Krsna consciousness. The boys, cowherds boys, they go with Krsna in the forest with the cows. The whole day they enjoy company of Krsna.

When they come home at night, also, they are speaking with their mother, "Mother, Krsna is so wonderful. He…, He met... Oh, there was gigantic demon. He came, he was devouring us, and Krsna killed him." "Oh," the mother says, "Oh, Krsna is I know very wonderful boy." That's all.

He does not… They do not care whether Krsna is God or anything. But Krsna is very wonderful. Whenever there is some danger, they come to Krsna. There was heavy rainfall. They all came, all the villagers came to Krsna: "Ah, Krsna, what is to be done?" And Krsna said, "All right, I shall do." He was only six- or seven-years-old boy. He lifted the whole hill and made it an umbrella. Made it an umbrella. [laughter] You see?

So this is Krsna love. Krsna love, they do not know Krsna, whether Krsna is God. They don't care to know. "Brahma-no. Krsna is our lovable object." Everyone. The animal, the birds, the bees, the flower, the land-everyone loves Krsna. The gopis, they are thinking always Krsna: "Oh, Krsna has gone to the forest. Oh, His sole is so soft.

How He is traveling on the ground, which is full of so many particles of stone and must be giving Him pain." So they are thinking at home and becoming so sorry, crying, "Oh, Krsna is…, must be very painful," in this way. That is their thought. You see? The animals also, they are also thinking of Krsna.

Every cow had a different name. And as soon as Krsna will call by the name, just like this calf is there. The animal will come and wait with so ecstasy that the milk will drop on the ground. When the cow is very jubilant, milk automatically comes. These descriptions are there. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami.

Very natural life, village life. Krsna is not interested with industry or this or that-simply village life. The cows, the trees, nice land, nice Yamuna River, innocent cowherds boys, innocent cowherd, I mean to say, girls, and their father, their mother. This is called Vraja. Very natural life.

And Krsna is very fond of herding cows. What kind of cows? Surabhi. Surabhi means they are also spiritual cows. You can take as much milk as you like, and as many times. There is no limit. Spiritual means unlimited; everything is unlimited. Here you can milk a cow once in a day or twice in a day, and that is also limited supply.

But there is no limit of supply. Surabhir. And laksmi-sahasra-sata-sambhrama-sevyamanam [Bs 5.29]. Laksmi. The gopis, they are all goddess of fortune. What are these gopis? What are these cows? They are expansion of Krsna. They are not different from Krsna.

You read Brahma-samhita very carefully. These descriptions are there. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis. These cows, these gopis, these trees, this land, this house, this father, mother, friend-everyone-they are expansion of Krsna. They are not different from Krsna. Expansion. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa.

The Krsna's body is sac-cid-ananda-vigraha, full bliss, full knowledge and eternal. And these cows, friends, land, trees, everything, they are all expansion. That is tested also here when Brahma was illusioned, that "How is that, my Lord, Krsna, has come on this earthly planet as a cowherd boy? He is playing. Let me see whether He is Krsna."

So he stole all the cows, all the cowherds boy, everything, and again when Brahma came he saw that everything is there, although the stolen cows and boys were sleeping within a cave, but Krsna has got full expansion. Then he could understand that He is the Supreme Lord Himself.

Krsna is so full. That is mentioned in the Vedas, that the Supreme Absolute Truth is so full that if you take even the full from the full, still He is full. Here if you take hundred dollars and if you take hundred dollars, there is zero. But in the spiritual world, if you take hundred dollars from hundred dollars, the hundred dollars is still there. So Krsna is so full.

So as we make advancement in spiritual knowledge we can understand what is spiritual life. But if we meditate… Meditate means if we think over what is actually spiritual life, we can understand. That consciousness. This consciousness, purification of consciousness, and make the consciousness full with Krsna thought, that will make you advanced in spiritual life.

So that day we were discussing…

[aside: Where is my spectacle?]

…about Prahlada Maharaja. Hm. So Prahlada Maharaja is humbly presenting himself, that "Great personalities and demigods like Brahma and the siddhas, with eight kinds of perfection, material perfection, and there are many others, varieties of people and living entities there are within this universe."

And when Nrsimhadeva was there, everyone came to see from every planet. So Prahlada Maharaja, he thought that, "How can I please the Lord while Brahma and so many great personalities have failed?" Therefore he concludes like this. What is that?

He is concluding like this, that "Because all these great personalities have failed to pacify the Lord, therefore I can conclude in this way." Manye. Manye means "I can conclude." What is that? That dhanabhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-srutaujas. Dhana, dhana means "riches," "wealth." Abhijana. Abhijana means "aristocrats." Dhanabhijana-rūpa. Rūpa means "beauty." These are material assets.

If you are born in an aristocratic family, in a rich family, you have got one dozen secretaries and you cannot be seen; you have to arrange with the secretaries for one dozen days, then you can be permitted. Just like if you want to see the President, you have to arrange for three months, or still you will be refused. This is called aristocracy.

So aristocracy, at the present moment if you somehow or other you can accumulate some wealth, you become aristocratic. Formerly that was not the process. Aristocracy means great parentage by quality. Just like in aristocracy of brahmanas, that is a qualitative distinction. Satya-sama-dama-saucam arjavam.

So by formerly it was calculated whether you belong to high-class family by your quality. At the present moment, in this age, there is no question whether actually you are born in aristocratic family. Simply if you have got money you'll be considered as aristocratic. So dhana, "wealth," abhijana. Actually aristocratic family means they have got riches. Dhana abhijana and rūpa.

Rūpa means "beauty." These things are specially mentioned here, because riches, wealth or birth in aristocratic or in a very respectable family and beauty, these things are achieved as a result of pious activities. They are not result of ordinary activities. So dhana jana abhijana rūpa tapa. Tapa means "austerity."

Just like Lord Buddha, he was prince, therefore he was very rich. And he was born in a royal family, therefore aristocracy, dhana rūpa; and because he was a ksatriya… Buddha, Lord Buddha, was ksatriya, so he was very…, ksatriyas are very beautiful, especially.

I have several times mentioned that this European stock, they belong to the ksatriya according to Mahabharata. So rūpa. Lord Buddha was aristocratic, wealthy and beautiful, and later on he took to meditation. That is called tapasya, tapa. Tapa means accepting some voluntary tribulation for higher advancement of life. That is called tapasya.

So this human form of life is meant for tapasya, tapa. That is mentioned. That is the special qualification: not to spoil this life in sense gratification, but for tapasya. The Krsna consciousness movement is educating people to accept this tapasya. Not…

Even if you have got wealth, opulence, even if you are very beautiful, even if you are born in very high family or in the family of great nation, and still if there is no tapasya, it is imperfect. It is imperfect. So tapa. Manye dhanabhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-srutaujas [SB 7.9.9]. And srutauja means "education." Education. Highly educated.

Tapas srutauja teja prabhava. If one has got all these paraphernalia: wealth, aristocracy, beauty, austerity, penance, just like Lord Buddha had, then he gets some strength, teja. Teja, some influence. So teja. And teja prabhava. Prabhava, "influence." Teja, "strength" or "power."

Tejaḥ-prabhava-bala, "bodily strength."Paurusa. Paurusa means, what is called, if a man becomes very great by his own endeavor, what is the one word? Paurusa, in English? What is that one word? Just like you have got in your country somebody just like Ford. He began his business very poor but became very rich man.

Devotee: Self-made.

Prabhupada: Ah, self-made. Yes. That is called paurusa. And buddhi-yoga. Buddhi-yoga, "very intelligent," "highly intellectual." These are all material qualities. These are very nice, to have great wealth, to have nice, beautiful body, to have education, to have strength, influence, and bodily strength, and self-made famous. So many things-they are all material.

So Prahlada Maharaja says that these material assets are not fit for pleasing the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is nullifying, that nobody should think that… Just like generally, rich people, they think, "These boys, they are poor boys, and they are now chanting Hare Krsna and begging something. So because they are poor, they require God's name."

Therefore Prahlada Maharaja says that if one is very rich or very powerful or born of a very aristocratic family, very influential, they are practically disqualification for Krsna consciousness. Because they are very much proud. They are very much proud. And this line is for the humble and meek. That is also accepted by Lord Jesus Christ: only the humble and meek.

Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore teaches us,

Who is fit for chanting Hare Krsna? He is giving the definition. What is that? Trnad api sunicena: humbler than the grass. You know the grass, everyone is trampling over the grass, but it does not protest-"All right." So trnad api sunicena: one has to be humbler than the grass. And taror api sahisnuna. Taror api sahisnuna…

Taror means "trees." Trees are very tolerant, example of tolerance, standing thousands of years, same place, does not protest. "Oh, you are cutting"-does not protest. "You are taking fruit"-does not protest. Still it is giving you shelter. When there is rain, there is scorching heat, you take shelter underneath a tree.

He does not say, "Oh, you man, you cut me, you take my fruit, you take my branches, take my leaves. Why you have came here to take shelter under me?" No. "Come on. Please sit down." Just see how much tolerant. These things are to be learned how by nature's study you can become very educated.

For personal self he is denying all kinds of respectful obeisances, but to others he will give all respectful obeisances. Amanina manadena kirtaniyaḥ. Such mentality.

Now how it is possible to become like that? That is not possible to learn artificially, that "I am trying to become more humbler or, I mean to say, tolerant than the tree." No. It should be by scientific understanding of my constitutional position. What is my constitutional position? This gigantic body, I am not this body. I am not this body.

What I am? I am spirit soul. And what is the measurement of the spirit soul? The measurement of a spirit soul is one ten-thousandth part of the top portion of your hair, tip of the hair. So actually I am smaller than the grass. I am smaller than the grass. Artificially I may have the body of an elephant, but I am not this body. My position is I am atomic spirit soul.

So if we understand…. In other words, if I am convinced, these things automatically develop in you. Trnad api sunicena taror api…Caitanya Mahaprabhu teaches that you become humbler than the grass, tolerant than the tree-not artificially but by pure understanding of your constitutional position.

So all these material qualification are due to this body. So this bodily qualification, I am not competent enough to approach the Supreme Absolute Truth. Your spiritual qualification, that spiritual… Therefore what is that spiritual qualification? That is stated by Prahlada Maharaja that,

Parasya pumso means the supreme transcendental personality. If you want to please that Supreme Personality of Godhead, then all these material qualification and assets cannot help you. Then what can help me? That is said, bhaktya. That is devotion. So spiritual activity means devotional activity. Bhaktya, devotion. If you want, that is also accepted in Bhagavad-gita. Lord Krsna says, bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg 18.55]. Bhaktya: "Simply by devotional service one can understand Me."

In another place Krsna says,

"Out of many millions and billions of persons, one become interested for spiritual perfection." And,

"And out of many such persons who are trying to have spiritual perfection of life, out of them, somebody may be knowing Me perfect." To know Krsna is not easy job. But it is easier, that is stated, bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg 18.55].

If you engage yourself in these Krsna consciousness activities, very quickly you will understand. So Prahlada Maharaja confirms this statement, that naradhanaya hi bhavanti parasya pumso [SB 7.9.9]: If you want to please, satisfy, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, don't count upon your material assets. You have to take to the spiritual process, bhaktya, bhakti, devotional service. Then you can understand.

So now those who have got this material assets…. Just like I have come to your country; you have got much material assets. Everything you have got, these, all these things explained here, dhana, jana, abhijana, everything. Now if you apply these things to Krsna consciousness, then all these material assets becomes spiritualized.

If you dovetail this, then your opportunity is very, I mean to say, simple. You can very easily engage these things. We don't condemn anything. Engage anything, everything, to Krsna consciousness. That is the formula given by our Rūpa Gosvami, that prapancikataya buddhya hari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.256].

The Mayavadi philosophers, they say that this material world is false and brahma satyam, and the Supreme Spirit is truth, Supreme Truth. So brahma satyam jagan mithya. But we say that the jagat, this material world, is not false; it is temporary. But so long it is under my control, if I can utilize it for Krsna consciousness, then these material assets can also help me. Very nice.

So we have to know the techniques, how to engage everything in Krsna consciousness, so in any circumstances we can cultivate this bhakti-yoga, or Krsna consciousness. It is not hampering.

Simply we have to know the techniques, how to apply it for Krsna consciousness, then everything will be perfect. So this is the instruction of Prahlada Maharaja, that "Only by Your devotional service." Material assets as it is, you cannot achieve spiritual perfection.

But if you are developed, if you have developed your devotional spirit, love of Godhead, sacrifice everything for Krsna, apply everything for Krsna, that will help you advance in Krsna consciousness and go back to Godhead, go back to home.

Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]

Any question?

Visnujana: In the prayer to the spiritual master there's a verse that the spiritual master is receiving benediction from the ocean of mercy. Is the mercy that is always extended to the fallen souls the opportunity to serve Krsna? And is that where all the bliss comes from also?

Prabhupada: Yes. Just like the sunlight. Sunlight is free. It is open for everyone. But if you block your room-you don't like to see the sunlight-so how the sunlight can help you? You have to come to the open sunlight; then it is free. You can enjoy. Similarly, Krsna's mercy is open. It is not that Krsna's mercy is somewhere very prolific and somewhere it is very miserly. No. It is everywhere the same. But it is the recipient who can receive this Krsna's mercy.

So persons who are in love with Krsna, they can receive Krsna's mercies very profusely. Otherwise Krsna's mercy is open for everyone. But if you, I mean to say, place stumbling blocks in understanding Krsna… Just like the yogis, the jnanis, they like to speculate. Krsna says that "I am here." Aham sarvasya prabhavo [Bg 10.8]:

"I am the source of everything." Mattaḥ parataram nasti: "There is nothing superior or greater than Me." But these people will still speculate to know. So what Krsna can do? Here is Krsna; here is the Supreme Absolute Truth presenting Himself, showing Himself, exhibiting Himself, and everything is there, complete, but still they will not… Just like the owls. As soon as there is daytime they will hide. Hmm, like… [makes gesture] [laughter] Determined not to see the sunlight, that's all.

So these rascals, they will not see Krsna. So what Krsna, for Krsna will do? Krsna will never force, because He has given them independence. You see? So He will not touch upon your independence. Then what is the meaning of independence? If I give you something and if I take it away, then what is the meaning of giving? When I have given you, it is your property.

So Krsna has given you independence. So you can misuse your independence. When Krsna says, "I am here," you are searching out. People will say, "Can you show me God?" And if I show, "Here is God. Just see," "Ah, here is… Where it is? It is not God." He wants to see something gigantic. What is that? Gigantic also, Krsna showed His universal form to Arjuna.

So everything is there, but I am thinking otherwise. I am hiding from the sunlight. So sunlight is profuse; it is everywhere. The same sunlight in the northern portion of the earth, it is not so prominent. In the southern portion it is very prominent. Does it mean the sun exhibits very prominently in some portion of the earth and in some portion of the earth he is…? No. He is far away from the earth. It is the condition of the special place that sunlight is not seen.

So according to Vedic literature, places which are always overcast with clouds, no sunshine, they are condemned places. Condemned places. The people there are considered sinful where there is no much sunshine. Nature's law, there will be less sunshine. Similarly, those who are sinful, they cannot understand Krsna. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita: yesam tv anta-gatam papam. One who is completely liberated from all sinful activities,

Persons who have simply acted piously, te dvandva-moha-nirmukta, they become free from the duality, bhajante mam drḍha-vrataḥ, and accept Krsna with firm faith and devotes his life for His service.

Krsna consciousness is not for ordinary persons. But if one seeing that "My other brother is in Krsna consciousness; he is enjoying. Let me also," he is also fortunate. Immediately he becomes fortunate-if he has got little sense. It is very difficult, but very easy also. The easiest. "Let me take to Krsna…" Just like Krsna says,

"After many, many births of cultivation of knowledge, one, when he is fully in knowledge, then he surrenders unto Me." How? Vasudevaḥ sarvam iti: Krsna is everything, vasudeva. Sa mahatma su-durlabhaḥ: "Such kind of great soul is very rare to be seen."

Now if you are intelligent, if you can understand simply by surrendering one becomes a very great soul, and they are very rare, why not surrender immediately? That is intelligence. If this is the process of highest perfection, why not do it immediately? Little intelligence.

So Caitanya-caritamrta says, krsna ye bhaje se baḍa catura, only the first-class intelligent man can become in Krsna consciousness, not the rascals and fools. They cannot. A little intelligence required. So it is very easy but it is very difficult for rascals and fools. Now why I am saying rascals and fools? I am not saying; Krsna says. Avajananti mam mūḍha [Bg 9.11]. Mūḍha means rascals and fools.

"These rascals and fools, they do not know what is the background of My personality." They do not know. So it is by fortune, good association, but this fortune can be immediately achieved by association of krsna-bhaktas, devotees of Krsna. Therefore we have formulated this society for Krsna consciousness. If anyone joins this society, very quickly he becomes Krsna conscious without any previous qualifications. Simply by association and trying to follow the principles. Very quickly.

So Krsna is open for everyone, as the sunshine is there for everyone, but we have got independence. If you like you can go to the sunshine, or you may block our room and windows and keep ourselves in darkness. That's all. So Krsna's mercy is for everyone. Not that for a particular person. But a special mercy is for those who are engaged in Krsna consciousness. That is said,

He is not envious to anyone, neither somebody is especially favorable. But He says, ye bhajanti tu mam bhaktya: "One who is engaged in My service with love and affection, oh, I am especially inclined." That is natural. That is natural. The father loves the child; the child loves the father.

If many child are playing in the street, if there is some accident, and if the father goes and protects his own child particularly, neglecting other children, that is not his fault; that is natural. Similarly, one who is engaged in Krsna's service with faith and love, for him a special attention. That is not partiality. That is not partiality. But that special favor is there.

Yes?

Govinda dasi: Suppose someone is firmly convinced that Krsna consciousness is the only thing that will save him but yet he still has inclinations toward material activities. Will Krsna force him in this case to become completely surrendered?

Prabhupada: Yes. He puts the devotee in such a way that he is obliged to become Krsna consciousness fully. Naturally, because we have materially associated for so many lives, so even though we are trying to become fully Krsna conscious, so our material attachment sometimes drag us. But if we are very strongly Krsna conscious, so these attachment will be taken away by Krsna. That is mentioned in the Srimad-Bhagavatam,

I think I have personally that experience. Yes. I was not inclined to come to this line, but Krsna has forced me. That is His special favor. I am now understanding, "Yes." So, hmm, Krsna is very intelligent. So if we foolishly want something other than Krsna, He makes us forgetful of such nonsense. That is Krsna's special favor.

Madhudvisa: Prabhupada, how may a brahmacari channel his sex desire, you know, in serving Krsna-that energy that he can't control which is going to his sexual desires? How may he channel that into using that energy for Krsna?

Prabhupada: Sex desire is not unnatural, but you can utilize your sex desire for Krsna's service. You can produce Krsna conscious children. So we don't prohibit. Our process is that everything should be in the service of Krsna. The others, they are producing children like cats and dogs.

If you produce children, Krsna conscious, the face of the world will change. So sex desire is not unnatural. That is natural. Just like to become hungry. So hungry means it is healthy life. But it is the thing what you are eating. That is the thing.

That will be considered whether you will keep yourself healthy or you become diseased. That if you feel hunger, that is not unnatural. Similarly, if you feel sex desire, that is not unnatural. That is natural. But you have to utilize. That is restraint of the sastra. Yaḥ sastra-vidhim utsrjya [Bg 16.23].

What sastra says how you shall utilize. So Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that "The regulative way of sex life is Myself." He says, "I am." Sex life is not condemned. But one should know that "Why I shall use my sex life?" If it is used for Krsna's purpose, then I shall use. Otherwise I will not. That is Krsna consciousness.

Just like Vasudeva and Devaki, in their previous life Satarūpa and other name I just forget. The husband and wife, after marriage, they began to prosecute tapasya. What was the tapasya? That "If we can get Krsna as our child, then we will have sex life; otherwise not. Otherwise we shall go on tapasya."

So when for many thousands of years they underwent tapasya, Krsna came: "What do you want?" They said that "I want a child like You. Then we can have our marital life. Otherwise we shall go on tapasya." "So, all right. But there is no proxy of Me. Then I shall become your child." Then they agreed to become father and mother. [Sanskrit]

The Bhagavata says one should not become a father, one should not become a mother, one should not become a spiritual master, one should not become a friend, one should not become a husband. So many list. Who? One who cannot deliver his dependent from the impending clutches of death. You see? [Sanskrit] This life and death perpetual change of body, this is going on, 8,400,000s of species of life. And people are suffering. The living entities are encaged and suffering.

So a Krsna conscious father and mother should be determined that "We shall beget children in such a way that this life will be the end of his change of body." This life he will be liberated. That's all. That is Krsna consciousness sex life. "I shall take care of my children in such a way that no more he will come back again in the womb of mother. He will be liberated, go back to Godhead."

You can produce hundreds of children like that. That is Krsna's service. That is Krsna consciousness. There is nothing unnatural in Krsna consciousness. Everything is natural. So? Chant Hare Krsna.

Who has seen that house? Dayananda? You showed any of the brahmacaris?

Dayananda: No [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Somebody else? Oh, Mandali, you have seen? Oh, you have seen. Very nice house.

Mandalibhadra: Yes, I thought it was nice.

Prabhupada: Oh, very good. You bring... We shall take that house. Eh? Very nice. You have seen inside also?

Mandalibhadra: We looked at it through the window.

Prabhupada: Oh, so... With Dayananda?

Devotee: I have been in that place.

Prabhupada: Oh, you have been? It is nice place?

Devotee: It has a fireplace. I think it has a fireplace.

Prabhupada: That doesn't matter, but... [laughter] So you take that house. It is very nice.

Tamala Krsna: How many rooms does it have?

Devotee: I think it has two bedrooms and a bathroom and a living room and a big…, and a dining room which you can make into a temple, and a kitchen too. Backyard with a tree.

Prabhupada: Very nice.

Tamala Krsna: Is it big enough? [indistinct]

Prabhupada: And on the broad road, very important place. Very nice. You immediately take that house. Yes. Hare Krsna.

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[kirtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]

Prabhupada: What is this? Oh. For taking?

Visnujana: Would you like a plate, Swamiji?

Prabhupada: No, no. A sannyasi should always take in his hand. That is the system. Not in a plate. That means if you take in a plate, you'll take much. [laughter] [chuckling] So in hand, he cannot take much. Kara-patri. That is the instruction. But in this age such strict laws cannot be followed.

The Bhagavata says that when there is flat grass cushion, why should you ask for bedding? When you have got natural pillow, this hand, why you ask for a pillow? Then when there is river, so much water, why do you stock water? When there are fruits in the tree, why do you go and beg?

When there is cave, why you are searching after apartment? [laughs] When the old garments are thrown in the street, then why you are searching after clothing? These are the instruction, you see. Completely free. Kasmad bhajanti kavayo dhana-durmadandhan [SB 2.2.5].

Why should you go and flatter these moneyed men? That is it. Complete independence. But those days are now gone. [laughs] It is a different age.

[taking prasadam]

Los Angeles, I think, is a good place. Hmm? What is your...? Your problem solved?

Tamala Krsna: Good news. We went to the Hollywood police station, and the man told us that part of the duty of the police station is to... He says he should protect religious people like us.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: He says... He mentioned other religious people, and he said if we can just keep the crowd moving, then we have every right to be there. So he has given us right to go to Hollywood. In downtown Los Angeles we don't have that right yet. We'll still go there, but in Hollywood it is all right. So that's good enough.

Prabhupada: That's all right. It is Krsna's grace. I was telling the same thing to Dayananda, that he should present this case to the higher officer. That's all. We are preaching God consciousness. We should be given... That was the Vedic law. Saintly persons, they should be given all protection.

If somebody insulted a saintly person, there was a special punishment for that. That's all right. So you take that house, that is Hollywood quarter? Hmm.

[aside:] Give him more. No. I have got. You take.

Oh, Nandarani is outside?

Lady devotee: Yes. [indistinct] for Nandarani.

Prabhupada: Why she is outside?

Lady devotee: It's the baby.

Prabhupada: Baby was not disturbing. I have received one letter from San Francisco. They are shortage of men. So Dinadayalu is going back?

Tamala Krsna: Oh, no. We need more men here. [Prabhupada laughs] We are so short. That is the problem. We have too few people here. Dinadayalu is so essential. I was just going to ask you if we could have some more men. Jayarama...

Prabhupada: Create men. Bring some men.

Tamala Krsna: Recruit.

Prabhupada: Here is a new boy, I see.

Visnujana: He's very intelligent.

Prabhupada: Hmm. You have not taken prasadam? You have taken these fruits? This is the first time you come here?

Boy guest: Yes. [break]

Madhavi-lata: If you live with people... If you live around people and they say offensive things, because they are ignorant or they are sinful, as you say...

Prabhupada: Try to excuse them.

Madhavi-lata: Do I leave...

Prabhupada: As far as possible.

Madhavi-lata: Excuse them. I shouldn't move out of there?

Prabhupada: Yes. As far as possible tolerate.

Madhavi-lata: Tolerate.

Prabhupada: They are all crazy. Yes. They are crazy.

Madhavi-lata: No, because... It's just one man, the owner. I asked him so many times if he would make room for..., to have a meeting. The place is gigantic. You know, 'cause you stayed there. Remember? At that motel. He said he didn't have any room.

Prabhupada: Oh. They have got very big hall?

Madhavi-lata: So I was just wondering, maybe I should... You know, well, if that's how they're going to act, then I should move out of there. But I don't know. I don't know if that's the right attitude on my part. I don't know. They say they didn't have any room.

Prabhupada: Oh, you are...

[aside:] Govinda dasi? [end]