Bhagavad-gītā 4.34 – August 12, 1966, New York

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Prabhupada:

Now, this verse we are discussing in our last meeting. Sri Krsna, Lord Sri Krsna, has concluded that all kinds of sacrifices that we can expected..., we are expected to do, the best sacrifice is to acquire knowledge. Acquire knowledge. Because whole our this material conditioned life is due to ignorance. Therefore the purpose of sacrifice, penance, yoga and philosophical discussion-everything-the ultimate aim is to acquire knowledge.

And even in that knowledge field also... Of course, transcendental knowledge, as we have discussed already, they are viewed in different..., three different angles of vision: the knowledge of Brahmavada, or impersonal, impersonal Absolute Truth; and the knowledge of Paramatma, the localized Supersoul; and the knowledge of Bhagavan, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There are different stages of development of knowledge. But the first beginning knowledge is that we must understand that "I am not this body; I am spirit soul. And my aim of life should be how to get out of this material entanglement." That is knowledge. That is the beginning of knowledge.

And that knowledge, when developed gradually... The first, first stage of knowledge is impersonal Brahman realization, and the next stage is the Supersoul realization, and the last stage is realization of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam we have got this information, that the tattva, that the Absolute Truth, is realized in three visions: brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate .

Brahman means impersonal Absolute Truth, and Paramatma means Supersoul, and Bhagavan means the Supreme Personality of God. That Supreme Personality of Godhead is Krsna. You'll find in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28].

There are description of different manifestation of Visnu, or God, because God expands Himself in various ways. We are also expansion of God. So similarly, there are degrees of expansion, and the central point, or the primeval Lord, is Sri Krsna. We have got evidences from various Vedic literature that Sri Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

The Bhagavata confirms, ete camsa-kalaḥ pumsaḥ krsnas tu bhagavan svayam, that... There is a list of incarnation of Godhead. There are many thousands and thousands of incarnation, and there is a list. Especially in Caitanya-caritamrta there is a specific list. Now, after giving that list, the conclusion is made that ete camsa-kalaḥ pumsaḥ krsnas tu bhagavan svayam.

Now, we have given the list, the author of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, but all these incarnation of Godhead, they are either plenary manifestation or manifestation of the plenary manifestation, like that. Ete camsa. Amsa means plenary manifestation, and kalaḥ means manifestation of the plenary manifestation. So the conclusion in the Srimad-Bhagavatam is that "This name 'Krsna,' which is given here..." Because Krsna also appeared, and He proclaimed Himself that yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, tadatmanam srjamy aham [Bg 4.7]. So He is accepted as the original Supreme Personality of God. Similarly, in the Brahma-samhita, another Vedic literature, that is also confirmed that,

There are many gods. Many gods means that in one sense we are also god. God means controller, that's all. God, the literary meaning of god, this word, is controller, isvara. So every one of us has some controlling capacity. Everyone. Either we control the family, or control the office, we control the state, we control the municipality or so on, so on, everyone is a controller. But nobody is the supreme controller.

Similarly, if you go on, make your progress, then you come to the Brahma. Brahma is the controller of this whole universe. And there are many, innumerable universes and innumerable Brahmas also. And their controller is the Garbhodakasayi Visnu. And the Garbhodakasayi Visnu is controlled by Maha-Visnu, and Maha-Visnu is controlled by Sahkarsana, and Sahkarsana is controlled by Narayana. And Narayana is controlled by Vasudeva, and Vasudeva is controlled by Baladeva, and Baladeva is controlled by Krsna. Therefore you'll find in the Bhagavad-gita that Krsna says, mattaḥ parataram nanyat asti kincid dhananjaya [Bg 7.7]: "My dear Arjuna, there is no..., nobody greater than Me." And Arjuna also accepted that "You are asamordhva: nobody is equal to You, and nobody is greater than You."

And our Gosvamis in Vrndavana... There were six Gosvamis. They were very good scholars, especially Jiva Gosvami. They have analyzed the characteristics of the Absolute Truth, Personality of Godhead, and they have established that Krsna has got the all the transcendental qualities of Godhead in Krsna. And in Narayana there are sixty-four..., er, ninety-four percent of the transcendental qualities of the Absolute Truth. Similarly, in Lord Siva there is eighty-four percent of all the transcendental qualities of the Absolute Truth. And in living being, as we are, we have got seventy-eight percent of the transcendental qualities. That is also in fraction, not in full. So there are some scholars, analytical study like this.

Now, the point is that Krsna says that "All kinds of sacrifices, whatever sacrifice you can undertake..." There are different kinds of, mentioned: dravya-yajna, jnana-yajna, yoga-yajna, so many there are different types of yajna. But here Krsna concludes, "All the different types of yajna," sarvam karmakhilam partha jnane parisamapyate [Bg 4.33], "whatever yajna you can perform, that's all right. But that is the different steps, different steps to come to the point of real knowledge."

Just like you have got your Empire State Building here, hundred-and-two-story building. So you go on, you go to the twenty-fifth floor, you can go to the fiftieth floor, you go to the seventieth, seventy-five, eighty-in this way, unless you reach that hundred-and-second story, that is not the perfect progress. That is also progress. Suppose if you have gone to the eighty-fifth story, that is also progress from the downwards. That's all right. But the highest, highest perfection of knowledge is, so far we study from the Bhagavad-gita, it is said, bahūnam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg 7.19].

Bahūnam janmanam ante. Bahūnam means after many, many births of culturing knowledge, when he comes to the real knowledge, real, I mean to say, summit knowledge. Bahūnam janmanam ante jnanavan. Not the fools, but jnanavan. He especially mentions jnanavan. Jnanavan mam prapadyate. Jnanavan, the sign is that jnanavan surrenders unto the Supreme Lord Krsna. That is the highest stage of knowledge.

Either you take it, grant it... Just like Arjuna was advised by Krsna, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg 18.66]: "You give up. Because you are My very confidential friend, therefore I say unto you that you don't bother with anything else. Just surrender unto Me." This is the most confidential. So in all points of view, if you make an analytical study of the Vedic literature, the ultimate summit knowledge is to surrender unto Krsna.

And what kind of surrender? The surrender means full knowledge. After scrutinizingly studying all the process of self-realization or transcendental realization, when one comes to the perfectional point, he understands that vasudevaḥ sarvam iti: "Vasudeva, Krsna, is everything." As it is confirmed in the Brahma-samhita that,

Sarva-karana-karanam means the cause of all causes. Just like my existence. I have got this body. The cause was my father. And the father, his father was cause. You go on searching, father, father's father, his father, grandfather, great-grandfather... Go on searching, searching, searching. Don't think that because you cannot see just now your great-grandfather, oh, there was no father of the grandfather. Don't think like that. There was. Although he is... Don't think that "Anything which is out of my sight, because I cannot see, so there is no existence." No. This conclusion is not good. This is not very intelligent conclusion. Because I cannot see what is happening beyond this wall, oh, that does not mean there is nothing beyond this wall.

So everyone wants to see God immediately. God you can see when you are perfectly qualified. When you are in perfect knowledge, you can see God eye to eye, just like you are seeing me, I am seeing you. But that requires qualification. You have to wait. That qualification is Krsna consciousness. That qualification means Krsna consciousness.

This Krsna consciousness begins with sravanam kirtanam [SB 7.5.23]. Sravanam, hearing. We have to hear about Krsna. Just like the Srimad-Bhagavad-gita is the preliminary study of understanding or hearing about Krsna. Hearing about Krsna.

Just like suppose I came to your country, United States of America. Oh, in my childhood I heard of it in school when I was reading geometry or something like, history or geography. I heard first of all. I did not come first of all. So hearing, hearing, when I understood, "Oh, that's a very wonderful country, and it is far away, and if I go there..." Similarly, as you think also about going to India, so first of all hearing. Hearing. Not immediately seeing what is America or what is India. First of all hearing. So similarly, if we want to see God, then we have to hear. That is the process. Krsna consciousness process is first is hearing. Sravanam. Sravanam means hearing.

Then kirtanam. Kirtanam means to chant about the glories, about the holy name, about the form, about the quality. Then this is association with Krsna. Because Krsna, or God, is absolute. He is not different from His name, from His quality, from His form, from His pastimes. He is not different. So hearing and chanting of the quality or form or name of the Supreme, of the Absolute, means our association with Him. Association. Direct association, in transcendental quality. So as we go on making association, then Krsna helps us to understand Him.

Srnvatam... It is in Srimad-Bhagavatam, there is a verse:

Suhrt satam. Krsna is sitting within your heart. Krsna is the..., is acting as your spiritual master, caitya-guru. Caitya-guru. Caitya-guru means the guru, or the spiritual master, who is sitting in my heart, citta. So srnvatam sva-kathaḥ krsnaḥ.

When you begin to hear about Krsna, then the hearing of krsna-katha, the topics about Krsna, is punya-sravana-kirtanaḥ. It is, even if you do not understand, it will increase your virtue. Punya-sravana-kirtanaḥ hrdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrani. We have accumulated so much dust by our material contact. By so many years' association with the matter, we have accumulated so much dirty things within our heart. That becomes gradually cleansed. Srnvatam sva-kathaḥ krsnaḥ punya-sravana-kirtanaḥ, hrdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrani. Hrdy antaḥ-stho means the dirty things which we have accumulated within our heart, that becomes cleared.

That... How it is cleared? Hrdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrani vidhunoti suhrt satam. Sri Krsna is friend of everyone, but He's a special friend to the devotee. That you will find in Bhagavad-gita. Samo 'ham sarva-bhūtesu na me dvesyo 'sti na priyaḥ [Bg 9.29]:

"I am friend of everyone. Nobody is My enemy and nobody is My friend. But I am equal to everyone." Sama, sama means equal. Ye tu bhajanti mam bhaktya tesu te mayi [Bg 9.29]: "But a person who is devoted to Me and is engaged in devotional service with Me, I have got special attention for him."

Therefore Krsna's another name is suhrt satam. Satam. Satam means those who are trying for having eternal life. Because in this material world we don't get anything eternal. All, everything, temporary. Therefore it is called asat. Asato ma sad gama. The Vedic injunction is, "Don't try to remain in this temporary world." Sad gama: "Just try to go to the eternal world." Tamaso ma jyotir gama: "Don't try to remain in this darkness. You go to the kingdom of light." These are Vedic injunctions.

So Krsna, He is within our heart. Hrdy antaḥ-sthaḥ. Therefore, as soon as we become a little inclined towards Krsna, then from within our heart He gives us the, I mean to say, favorable instruction so that we can gradually make progress. Gradually.

Krsna is the first spiritual master, and when we become more interested, then we have to go to a physical spiritual master. That is enjoined in the next verse:

Now, Krsna advises that "If you want to know that transcendental science, then you just try to approach somebody." Pranipatena. Pranipatena, pariprasnena and sevaya. What is pranipata? Pranipata means surrender. Surrender. You must select a person where you can surrender yourself, because nobody likes to surrender to anyone.

We have got... Everyone, we are puffed up with our whatever knowledge we have got. Everyone is puffed up: "Oh, who can give me knowledge?" There is regular propaganda that "For spiritual realization there is no need of spiritual master." But so far Vedic literature is concerned, so far Bhagavad-gita is concerned, so far Bhagavata is concerned, so far the Upanisads and Vedic literatures are concerned, they do not say. They say that there is need of a spiritual master.

Take for example the Upanisads, the Vedic Upanisads. In the Vedic Upanisads it is said, tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet, srotriyam brahma-nistham. [Munḍaka Upanisad 1.2.12] This mantra, that "If you want to learn that transcendental subject, then..." First word is that if you are eager to learn that subject.

In the material world also, suppose if I want to learn the art of music. Then I have to find out somebody who is a musician. Without having the association of a musician, nobody can learn the art of music. Or any art. Suppose if you want to become an engineer. So you have to enter yourself in an engineering college or technical college and learn there. Nobody can become a medical practitioner simply by purchasing book from the market and reading at home. That is not possible. You have to admit yourself in a medical college and undergo training and practical examination, so many things. Simply by purchasing book, it is not possible.

Similarly, if you want to learn Bhagavad-gita or any transcendental subject matter, here is the instruction by Lord Krsna Himself. Lord Krsna Himself, because He is the speaker of this Bhagavad-gita, He says that tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya [Bg 4.34]: You must go to a person where you can surrender yourself. That means you have to check, "Who is the real person who can give me instruction on Bhagavad-gita or any Vedic literature, or any scripture, right?" And not that to search out a person as a, whimsically. No. You have to search out a person very serious, that who is actually in the knowledge of the thing. Otherwise why you shall surrender? No. There is no necessity of surrender.

But here it is said clearly that "You have to surrender to a person." That means you have to find out such a person where you can voluntarily surrender. Without finding, your mission will not be fulfilled. Because very word, first thing, is... Just like Arjuna in the beginning. We have discussed that point. Arjuna was talking with Krsna in friendly terms, just like friend. He was... Krsna was saying something, "Oh, you cannot... You are a ksatriya. You are a military man. How can you give up the fighting?" Just like friendly talks. But when Arjuna saw it, that "Our friendly talk will not make a solution," so he surrendered unto Krsna, that "I'll..." Sisyas te 'ham sadhi mam prapannam [Bg 2.7]:

"I just become surrendered disciple unto You. Please instruct me what is my duty." So this is the process. Here also, Krsna advises that "If you have to learn," say, for Bhagavad-gita, "then you have to go to a person where you can surrender." Not only surrender-not blindly surrender-you must be able to enquire. Pariprasna. The next qualification is pariprasna. Pariprasna means enquiry. Without enquiry, you cannot make advance. Just like a student in the school who enquires from the teacher, he's very intelligent. Even a boy, a child, if he enquires from the father, "Oh, father, what is this? What is this?" that child is very intelligent. Very intelligent.

So enquiry is required, so not only pranipata... "Oh, I have found out a very good spiritual master, very learned and very good, soul. All right. I have surrendered. Then all my business finished." No. That is not... You may have a very good spiritual master, but if you have no power to enquire, then you cannot make progress. Enquiries must be there. But enquiry, how enquiry? Not to challenge. Enquiry, not that "Oh, I shall see what kind of spiritual master he is. Let me challenge him and put some irrelevant question and talk nonsensically, this way and that way." Oh, that will not make... Enquiry on the point. Pariprasna means enquiry on the point, and that enquiry should be seva.

Seva means service. Not that "Oh, I have enquired so many things from such-and-such person. Oh, I have not rendered any payment or any service, so I have gained." No. Without service, your enquiry will be futile. So three things here: pranipata, pariprasna and seva. Pranipata. Pranipata means you must have the qualification to, at least, to find out a person who is actually qualified to give you real instruction. That you have to do. That remains on you.

Suppose you have to purchase some gold or jewelry, and if you do not know where to purchase, if you go to a grocer shop to purchase a jewel, oh, then you'll be cheated. If he says..., go to a grocer shop and ask, "Oh, can you give me diamond?" he will understand that "Here is a fool. So let him [me] give him something: This is diamond." "Oh. What is the price?" He can charge anything, and when you come home, your relatives say, "What you have brought?" "This is diamond. I went to the grocer shop." So that kind of finding spiritual master will not do. You have to become a little intelligent. Because without being intelligent nobody can make any spiritual progress.

Athato brahma... In the Brahma-sūtra, in the Vedanta-sūtra, it is stated, athato brahma-jijnasa. Brahma-jijnasa. Brahma-jijnasa means to enquire, enquire about the supreme subject matter, Brahman. That requires a qualification. Atha. Atha means those who have become experienced of this miserable life of this material world. They can enquire. They can enquire what is Absolute Truth, what is spiritual life. Athato brahma-jijnasa.

Similarly, in the Bhagavata also it is stated, tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuḥ sreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21]. Sreya uttamam. Uttamam means the udgata-tamam. That is transcendental. Tama means darkness. Anything of this material world, that is in darkness, because this material world is dark. You know that the whole world, whole universe, is dark. Therefore there is requisition of the sunlight, moonlight, electricity. It is dark. So uttamam means which is beyond this darkness. Beyond this darkness. That means transcendental subject, spiritual subject. In the spiritual world there is no darkness.

So if anyone is desirous of inquiring about the spiritual world, then he requires to find out a spiritual master. Otherwise there is no necessity. For a man who wants to remain in this darkness, for material benefit... Suppose I want some spiritual master or I want to study Bhagavad-gita or Vedanta-sūtra so that I may make some material improvement. Oh, that is not required. For material improvement you can work, just so many people are working; they are making, trying industry or something like... That is prescribed. But if you are at all interested about the Brahman subject, the spiritual subject, then you require a spiritual master.

That is clearly stated. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta [SB 11.3.21]. Tasmat means "Therefore one has to surrender unto the spiritual master." Who? Who is jijnasuḥ sreya uttamam: "Who is very much eager to understand about the transcendental subject." So any Vedic literature the same instruction you'll find, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita,

Jnaninaḥ means jnani, or a man who is in perfect knowledge. Perfect knowledge means one who has perfect vision of the perfect-not theoretical, but actual vision of the spiritual subject matter. He is called jnani. Jnaninas tattva-darsinaḥ. Tattva, tattva means the Absolute Truth. Now, so far tattva is concerned, you'll find in the Bhagavad-gita that Krsna is the supreme tattva, Absolute Truth.

Now, He explains that manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye [Bg 7.3]: "Out of many, many thousands of people, a few people may try how to get spiritual salvation." Not all. Everyone is not expected to hanker after spiritual salvation. That requires also many, many years' qualification. So manusyanam sahasresu. After many... Out of many, many thousands of people, one is very much anxious for spiritual realization. And then Lord Krsna says, yatatam api siddhanam [Bg 7.3]:

And out of many perfected spiritualist, some may know what is Krsna. Just try to understand. First of all, out of many, many, many thousands of people who wants to have perfection in spiritual life, then those persons who have attained such perfection, out of them, one or two may understand what is Krsna.

So the subject matter of Krsna is not so easy. It is very difficult also. But one can understand very easily. That process is also prescribed in the Bhagavad-gita:

Bhakti, devotional service. That devotional service if you accept, you can understand that difficult subject matter of Krsna very easily. Bhaktya mam abhijanati. Abhijanati means perfectly you can understand. Yavan yas casmi tattvataḥ. Tattvataḥ means the Absolute Truth as it is, you can understand. And tato mam tattvato jnatva: and after understanding the Krsna science very perfectly, he becomes eligible to enter into that spiritual kingdom. These things are stated.

So here, we are discussing this point that,

tad viddhi pranipatena
pariprasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jnanam
jnaninas tattva-darsinaḥ
[Bg 4.34]

So if we actually want to reach that point of perfectional knowledge where we can fully surrender... Now, the intelligent person... According to my opinion-I have several times discussed this point-that if it is a point that after many, many births, when I am fully perfect in knowledge, I have to surrender to Krsna, then why not immediately surrender to Him? Why shall I wait for many, many births? Oh, that is very intelligent proposal. If that is the end of perfection, then why not accept the perfection immediately? But people are doubtful.

Somebody asked me... That, I think, Mr. Moscowitz asked me this question; I answered this point. His enquiry was, "How long it will take to be perfect in Krsna consciousness?" So I replied that Krsna consciousness can be had in one second, and it cannot be had in thousands of birth and death. So why? But if we understand this principle that after attainment of full knowledge, I have to ultimately surrender to vasudevaḥ sarvam iti, I have to become the, I mean to say, sa mahatma, a great soul like that, why not immediately surrender to Krsna? Why not become immediately the supreme, I mean to say, great soul, sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ? That is a process.

But we are, some of us, or most of us, we are not prepared to accept immediately Krsna as the Supreme, or we have got many doubts. Therefore, in order to drive away, dissipate all your doubtful ideas, the sastras, the scriptures, the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavata, are there, and if we make scrutinizingly study of these two books, we can understand the Krsna science very nicely, and our progress in the matter of Krsna consciousness will be definite. Thank you very much. If there is any question, you can ask. [break]

Brahman and Supersoul, we have been discussing this morning. Perhaps just we began the verse and you have forgot. Just like myself, I am soul, the spiritual soul. My place is within this heart. Now, in the medical science, they have found it that the heart is the center of all vitality of this body. The, I mean, modern materialistic science, they have found that whatever we are eating, it is going to the stomach and it is being transformed into various types of secretions, and the important secretion is coming to the heart and it is becoming red by coming to the heart. Then again from the heart there are many veins; it is being distributed to different parts of the body. So... But they could not found that where is the point wherefrom this vitality is coming. Wherefrom this vitality is coming, they could not find it. They have localized that "Here is the source of all energy."

Now, in the Bhagavad-gita you will find that Krsna says, mattaḥ sarvam pravartate... Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvam pravartate [Bg 10.8]: "I am the origin, fountainhead of everything, and everything what is being produced, it is from Me." Similarly, the soul is a fragmental, fractional portion of Krsna. So now the modern scientist, they have localized the point wherefrom the energies are coming. Now that point is there. That fragmental portion of Krsna is there in the heart. That is Brahman.

And... But that is fragmental portion. So Brahman means this fragmental portion. And the Supreme Brahman... What was that question? Brahman? Supersoul. Supersoul is Krsna. Supersoul is Krsna, and we..., I am, you are, you are soul, we are jiva, and the Supreme Soul is Krsna. This verse the next morning we shall discuss. We came this morning just up to that point. We've come up to anyam[?], that verse.

So Supersoul, Supersoul is the Supreme Lord. Supersoul is also there. They are situated together. From the Vedic Upanisads we get this information that two birds are sitting on one tree. The one bird is eating the fruits, and the other bird is simply witness. So witnessing bird is the Supersoul, and the bird which is enjoying and suffering of this material contamination, or attachment, that is soul. Is it clear?

Devotee (1): You mean actually Krsna is in here?

Prabhupada: Krsna... Yes. He is in the still more higher position. You are very intelligent. This Supersoul is also partial representation of Krsna. Just like the sun, the real sun, and the reflection of sun. If you have got thousands of pots in your presence, you will find the reflection of the sun in thousands of the pots, but the real sun is one. Similarly, this Supersoul is the reflection of the reality, partial reflection of the Supreme. Is it clear?

Just like you are standing here, and at noon the sun is on your head. And five thousand miles away you enquire from somebody, "Where is sun?" he will say, "Oh, it is on my head." Five thousand miles this way or that way, any way you enquire, many, many people, many thousands of people you enquire, they will say, everyone will say that "The sun is on my head." Similarly, although the sun is one, as he is perceived that he is present on everyone's head, similarly, although Krsna is one without a second, by inconceivable transcendental power He can be present in everyone's heart.

That is the power of Krsna. That is the power of Supersoul. We cannot. Suppose I am sitting here, you are sitting here. You are not at your home. I am not in India; I am sitting here. I cannot sit simultaneously in India and America. That is not possible for me, because I am not Supersoul. But the Supersoul can be present everywhere. You will find this explanation in the Thirteenth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita. Now we are discussing the Fourth Chapter. When we go to the Thirteenth Chapter, this point will be more clearly explained.

Devotee: [indistinct] [break]

Prabhupada: ...about the spiritual master. So your question should have been on the matter of spiritual master, because we invite questions on the subject which we discuss in this point. This is also relevant question, because we will read from the Bhagavad-gita. Now we have discussed about the position of the spiritual master. Now, if you have got any question about that, the relationship between the spiritual master and the disciple, if you have got any doubts, if you have any questions, that you ask.

Devotee (2): If one surrenders to a spiritual master, what then is their relationship to Krsna?

Prabhupada: Oh. Spiritual master is the representative of Krsna. Therefore, surrendering to the spiritual master means surrendering to Krsna. He is the bona fide. Spiritual master is just like, as just I explained the sloka, hrdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrani vidhunoti suhrt satam.

I'll try to relate one nice story in this connection, the story of Dhruva Maharaja. Dhruva Maharaja was a child, and he was insulted by his stepmother. So he went to his own mother and he prayed, "My dear mother"-he was five years old only-"my stepmother has insulted me in this way. I was sitting on the lap of my father, and he [she] dragged me out. She told me that 'You cannot sit on the lap on your father.' " So he was the son of king, so he felt insulted and he went to his mother and cried. Then he asked his mother, "What is the remedy?" Because he was a son of a ksatriya, he was resentful.

So his mother directed, "My dear son, your father do not care for me, so he will not hear whatever I say. So if God can help you, then you can get revenge." Then-he was child-he said, "Oh, where is God?" Then mother replied, "Oh, we understand that God is in the forest. Somebody goes to the forest and realizes God. So you cannot go, my dear son." "No, I shall go."

So he went to the forest. He went to the forest, and he was asking the tiger, "Oh, you are God?" The elephant, "You are God?" Just like a child. Then when he was so serious, then, because God is within himself, then he was..., Narada was sent to him, that "You go to the boy. How he is anxious that what is the actual point [indistinct], you just try to help him."

So this is the process. When we are seriously anxious about understanding the science of God, then God is within you; He will make your relationship with such a spiritual master who will enlighten you further and further. So practically, the spiritual master is the representative of Krsna. Now, it depends on me. Ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham [Bg 4.11].

The degree of my serious thought, if I am seriously about actually perception of the Supreme Lord, then I will get such a spiritual master who can give me information of the Supreme Lord. But if I want something else, then Krsna will help you in that way also, you will get something else.

So ye yatha mam prapadyante. The spiritual master is the representative of Krsna, and He, Krsna, is sitting within your heart. And as you are anxious, your degree of anxiety will be helped by Krsna by sending similar quality of spiritual master.

Let us have Kirtan. [end]