751218MW.BOM
751218MW.BOM
Morning Walk
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December 18, 1975, Bombay
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December 18, 1975, Bombay
751218MW-BOMBAY [56:59 Minutes]
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Prabhupada: ....very enthusiastic.
Dr. Patel: I got up very early today.
Prabhupada: By the grace of Krsna keeping good health.
Menon: Yes, I have got...
Prabhupada: You never use your shoes.
Dr. Patel: But on sand, really, with shoeless, this walking it is very...
Menon: One medicine I think it is.
Dr. Patel: No, not medicine. I practice..., all the time.
Menon: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Jaya. [break] First rate is ninety-five. And the second one?
Giriraja: The second one is seventy, but he thinks that he can get it down to sixty-five.
Dr. Patel: [Transl. This place is very dirty.]
Prabhupada: New York is the dirtiest.
Dr. Patel: New York.
Prabhupada: Yes. There you'll find so many of this papers scattered.
Dr. Patel: In New York.
Prabhupada: Even the park, the most celebrated park, Central Park, they are all full of dirt.
Giriraja: The city is going bankrupt.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Which?
Giriraja: New York City.
Dr. Patel: America will never go bankrupt so far material prosperity is concerned. Already shrewd people say...
Prabhupada: There is no guarantee, sir.
Dr. Patel: No, they are shrewd. [Transl. They change overnight.] [laughter]. I'm sorry. Your words. Very, very crafty people in business. Nobody can beat Americans in business. They are monopolizing the world of business today. The prosperity of America is due to the, I mean poverty over us. It is correct. [pause] Kala. This is Kali-yuga. People are so faithless. Human race has become faithless. They have no faith in God, they have no faith in themselves, and then their friends and other human beings also.
Dr. Patel: Dvipada.
Dr. Patel: I think the human race should become all right by getting all these mara [beating] from God, all these...
Prabhupada: That is going on. That is going...
Dr. Patel: This war, last, second war was so horrible, and the third will be perhaps in finishing the whole cosmos.
Prabhupada: That war is always there. But still they remain two-legged animals. It requires education.
Dr. Patel: But sir, I feel wonder that Jesus Christ was so wonderful, I mean, brotherhood and all these things, and these..., practically people following his creed are warring like this.
Prabhupada: No, who is following our Gita?
Mr. Shah: Nicely sir. I see it every day. Very good concrete building.
Prabhupada: So if there is any defect.
Mr. Shah: It is perfectly...
Prabhupada: Now we want to finish this. If you have got any good contactor on labor?
Mr. Shah: Contact labor? Labor contactor?
Prabhupada: Yes. You know Mr. Shah.
Mr. Shah: We have already discussed with him.
Dr. Patel: I have taken him to his house.
Mr. Shah: We have discussed with him.
Prabhupada: We want to finish as soon as possible, give another set of contactor, labor contactor.
Dr. Patel: Yes, yes. I'll try and find out.
Prabhupada: Lingering...
Dr. Patel: [Transl. As soon as you see Rowji…]
Mr. Shah: [Transl. Rowji? Yes. He has made a very good house here.]
Dr. Patel: [Transl. He does both the ways, as a labour and as a…] He will do anything, labor also.
Prabhupada: No, no. Labor we want.
Prabhupada: ...is the form where the animal can take education and become a human being.
Dr. Patel: Now these human beings, they get educated from animals.
Prabhupada: No, no. This is not education. This jara-vidya, material education, is no education. It doesn't require any education. This education for eating, sleeping education, that is not education, that is cats and dogs, they also know how to do it without education. Real education is brahma-vidya [spiritual education]. Athato brahma-jijnasa-this is education. [Vedanta-sutra 1.1.1] So that is now given up throughout the whole world. Nobody is interested in Brahman; they are simply interested in sense gratification.
Dr. Patel: Because I think, sir, the method of education the world over is absolutely different from what it should be.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is not education. The education for eating, sleeping, that is not education.
Prabhupada: That is real education.
Dr. Patel: And then they are prepared right from the brahmacari asrama for the highest goal, till he becomes a sannyasi. Here he, he's neither this nor that.
Prabhupada: No, there is no education. Real education is not there. Just like Canakya Pandita, he was not a spiritual man, but he was a prime minister. Still, he gave the standard of becoming educated. He said,
Dr. Patel: Stone.
Dr. Patel: These degrees are artifacts.
Prabhupada: That is upadhi. Education is to become upadhi-less. Sarvopadhi vinirmuktam [Cc Madhya 19.170]. But they are increasing upadhis. Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: People think so far this country is concerned that education means giving the knowledge of how to read and write. I think it is the knowledge and not the education. Education is something different, that trains up your mind how to think, how to, I mean, separate grain from the chaff.
Dr. Patel: No, but I mean to say, you must know how to separate the grain from the chaff. That is the real education. We are not training our boys. We are not...
Prabhupada: Bhagavad-gita begins education, instruction. Immediately He puts forward that you are not this body. That is the beginning of education. Where is such education? Everyone is..., "You are this body." "You are Indian," "You are American," "You are Hindu," "You are Muslim." That's all. Where is education? Bhagavad-gita says you are not this body. That is the beginning of education. And now education means be nationalist. Drive away and bark somebody...
Dr. Patel: [Transl. Stop issuing passport.]
Prabhupada: No, why passport? Even in our country, Mahatma Gandhi was also infected: "Quit India. Quit India."
Dr. Patel: No, he did not mean quit India. He meant "You quit your method of ruling." I mean, actually...
Prabhupada: It was the exact word, "Quit India."
Dr. Patel: You know it more than me, sir, that in 1929 he told Britishers that "You rule India on the basis of they are ruling Canada." So he offered to give them ultimatum. As a matter of fact Britishers did know real stuff of India, otherwise they would have acted better.
Prabhupada: That's not... As soon as you think, "He is my enemy and he is my friend," then there is no education.
Dr. Patel: That's it.
Prabhupada: This is standard of education. Atmavat sarva-bhutesu. That is education. ...panditah sama-ama darsinah. Vidya-vinaya-sampanne brahmane gavi hastini suni caiva [Bg 5.18]. That is education. That is pandita. Again Krsna says, nanu socantipanditah. Nanu socanti panditah [Bg 2.11]. "Ah, you are rascal." It is not the business of the pandita to think like that. He never taught that the Kauravas were the enemy. No. That is not the fact. It is duty to fight the just cause. That was His instruction.
Dr. Patel: Mr. Nehru said Krsna was the greatest warmonger.
Prabhupada: And he is a rascal.
Dr. Patel: [laughing] He was saying so. He thought himself to be very big man. He thought himself to be a pandita.
Prabhupada: Everyone thinks. Everyone thinks. That is asuric pravrtti [mentality]-"Who is like me?"
Prabhupada: That is asuric. And bhakta... Caitanya Mahaprabhu is teaching, trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna . That is bhakta. There is no education; therefore Krsna has spoken of these people as mudha. "No, they are educated. They have passed so many examination"-mayayapahrta-jnana. This kind of education has no value, because they are forgetting the real point of education. Mayayapahrta-jnana asuram bhavam asritah [Bg 7.15].
Dr. Patel: Believing in the...
Prabhupada: Apratistham.
Dr. Patel: Apratistham te.
Prabhupada: Not kama-haitukam. Kim anyat kama-haitukam [Bg 16.8]. That is the Saṅkhya philosophers. That is their theory. Prakrti and purusa come in contact by chance, and there is creation. Not God created. Their theory is, the prakrti and purusa, they come in contact by chance, and there is creation.
Dr. Patel: Must be some another rascal.
Prabhupada: Yes. [laughs] Now you have learned. [everyone laughs very loudly]
Dr. Patel: I am learning it. [laughs raucously]
Prabhupada: Yoga... Actually yoga means to keep the mind fixed up, yoga indriya samyama, to control the mind and the senses. [Bg 4.27] That is yoga. Then other activities. If your mind is not controlled, you are in disturbed condition, then you cannot perform it. So it is a process to control the mind. And if one is able to control the mind, then he becomes real yogi, and at that time, dhyanavasthita, meditation. Dhyanavasthita tad gatena manasa pasyanti yam yoginah [SB 12.13.1]. Then he sees the Paramatma always. That is perfection of yoga.
Indian man: [Transl. All right.]
Indian man: What is the any question of lost? You can only outlook and disjoined with the God?
Dr. Patel: Listen, if you are artificially joined, then you are dejoined.
Indian man: No, no. Then it is not yoga at all. Then you stop, automatically sent us outway.
Dr. Patel: That is why that yoga.
Indian man: Once then you say yoga then you are entering. You are not outside it.
Dr. Patel: My [indistinct]. There are so many types of yoga, sir, as you know.
Dr. Patel: [talking about passerby] He used to join, he really "used to join with" makes yoga is abstract noun. From 'used'.
Prabhupada: So, we shall return?
Dr. Patel: Seven o'clock.
Dr. Patel: He was my nephew, so I had to talk to him.
Dr. Patel: Separation.
Dr. Patel: He quoted that thing from Kathopanisad.
Prabhupada: Hmm, what is that?
Prabhupada: In another place...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dr. Patel: That karma which you do, which binds with the...
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel: That is what he has explained.
Prabhupada: Yajnartha means for the satisfaction...
Dr. Patel: But they are..., they are body conscious. So the svartha body is their svartha.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: They are not soul conscious, because they...
Dr. Patel: The interest of the body.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is not in his interest, because it is changing. Suppose a person comes to a foreign place, and he becomes only interested where he is staying, and after a week he is driven away. Then what is interest? You are eternal; you must have eternal interest.
Dr. Patel: And that education comes from the Vedas.
Prabhupada: Therefore we say that there is no education. They do not know what is interest. They are making a small limitation, "This is my country. My interest is to become a national. I will sacrifice my life for this, that." This is going on. Whole world is going on, na te vidhuh svartha-gatim hi visnum.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is brahmacari. Where is that education?
Dr. Patel: These educations are given to the Vaisnavas in their homes. They are Vaisnavas. But then so-called Vaisnavas, these baniyas, they are ruthless. Ruthless, absolutely ruthless...
Dr. Patel: No, what I mean to say...
Prabhupada: ...everyone is sudra.
Dr. Patel: No, no, really sir, but they are in business. They don't consider that they are this soul; they consider the body comforts and body.
Prabhupada: That is sudra. One has to become a brahmana, jnanam. But they have no knowledge; therefore they are sudra. Brahmana means jnanam, vijnanam and astikyam: "Yes, there is God, and He is the original cause of everything." That is brahma-jnana. Brahma janati iti brahmanah. So where is brahmana? All sudras. Kalau sudra sambhava. Especially in this Age of Kali, everyone is sudra, or less than sudra. But still Krsna gives the opportunity, striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te'pi yanti param gatim. How? Mam hi partha vyapasritya [Bg 9.32], he may take to Krsna consciousness. Even the sudras, they are also.
Dr. Patel: Just like essence of the Vedic knowledge has been given in the story form in Bhagavata. That is how these people could understand them. These...
Prabhupada: It is not story. It is history...
Dr. Patel: No, no, some are stories and divya stories.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is history and philosophy. They are not stories. When it is a story, it is mentioned it is like a story. Just like bhavatavi. Bhavatavi That is mentioned there. There are many such statement which is not history, but... What is called? Instruction. But they take everything, "It is fabulous."
Prabhupada: Vidvams cakre satvata-samhitam. If you want to be learned, then you have to read Bhagavatam. Vidvams cakre satvata samhitam. Vidvan means Vyasadeva. He compiled Bhagavatam for the education of these rascals. Na te vidhuh svartha-gatim. The same thing. They do not know what is their self-interest. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnu. And another place, anartha. This is anartha. Without knowing the real self-interest, they are engaged in so many so-called duties. Krsna says, sarva-dharman: "Give up all these duties," but they will not do. Therefore Vyasadeva says, anarthopasamam. These unnecessary engagements, they cannot be given up, anarthopasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje [SB 1.7.6] To teach them bhakti-yoga... And, anarthopasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje lokasyajanato. These rascals, they do not know it. Lokasya ajanata. Ajanato lokasya. They do not know how to get free from this unwanted situation. But to get them free, vidvan... Vyasadeva is vidvan, vidvams cakre satvata-samhitam. The satvata samhita is Bhagavatam. Anarthopasamam saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje lokasyajanato. Ajanata lokasya, they do not know, huh? The same thing, a dog, what does he know what is the interest of life? Dvipada-pasu. Therefore Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu has advised that because all these rascals are filled up all over the world, "Each one of you become a guru." Yes. So many gurus required. Amara ajnaya guru hana tara ei desa, wherever you are living, you just try to deliver your family, your neighborhood, your friends. Deliver them. Tara. Tara means deliver. "How can I do it? I am not a guru; I am a common..." "No. You have to become a guru." "How?" Yare dekha tare kaha 'krsna-upadesa' [Cc Madhya 7.128]: simply repeat the instruction given by Krsna. Then you will become guru.
Dr. Patel: But for the samsaris [materialists], sir...
Prabhupada: Samsaris..., Gita is for the samsaris. When Krsna says, annad bhavanti bhutani [Bg 3.14], this is for samsari. Saintly person doesn't require anna. It is meant for the samsari. Annad bhavanti bhutani. Catur-varnyam maya srstam [Bg 4.13]. This division of society is meant for the samsari, to control division of labor. Everything is for samsari. It is not meant for the paramahamsa. Paramahamsa-samhita is Bhagavata. This is A-B-C-D. These people, they do not understand even the A-B-C-D. This is the difficulty. They cannot learn even the A-B-C-D of spiritual knowledge.
Dr. Patel:
Dr. Patel: This modern education.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: How to make a successful life, like Mr...
Dr. Patel: Modern advancement of science is actually here to entangle the man more and more bonds into this. But by raising, creating more bonds for comfort, comfortable life...
Prabhupada: What comfort?
Dr. Patel: Comfortable life means...
Prabhupada: That is another illusion.
Dr. Patel: Comfortable life means comfort of the body.
Prabhupada: To get a comfortable life, one has to work so hard. Where is comfort?
Dr. Patel: [laughs] Yes. That is his foolishness. In Europe they actually run in the morning to go to their work. They run like mad dogs.
Prabhupada: But we are also...
Dr. Patel: They may start running now. They are following them.
Prabhupada: No...
Dr. Patel: And I remember that I used to laugh, the way they were running to the work, sir.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: That is the misfortune. And how it started, this ball? Who made the ball rolling?
Prabhupada: He, he makes the ball rolling.
Dr. Patel: This is modern education.
Prabhupada: No, no. Everyone is the architect of his own fortune.
Dr. Patel: No, no. I talk of the samasti [aggregate population] sir. In the society...
Prabhupada: Samasti. Vyasti: individual together makes samasti. If you become devotee, I become devotee, everyone becomes..., then samasti is devotee. And if you are nondevotee, I'm a nondevotee, then combination of nondevotees. That's all. We have to therefore change this group, where we shall live. Satam prasaṅgan mama virya-samvido bhavanti hrt-karna... [SB 3.25.25]. If you live with the devotees, then these topics of transcendental subject matter becomes palatable. Otherwise it is nonpalatable. Therefore they do not like to come to the temple to hear our lecture. Nonpalatable.
Dr. Patel: You fire them. [raucous laugh]
Prabhupada: No. How can I say anything which is not spoken by Krsna? Krsna has never taught... Krsna says, na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhama mayayapahrta-jnana [Bg 7.15]. So we have got this test: if anyone has no interest in Krsna, he must be with these groups, that's all-duskrtina, mudha, naradhama. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, yare dekha tare kaha 'krsna-upadesa' [Cc Madhya 7.128]. So how can I violate?
Dr. Patel: No.
Prabhupada: Both ways. I cannot violate. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that you simply speak what Krsna has said, and Krsna says anyone who is not Krsna conscious, he is a rascal, he is the most sinful, he is the lowest of mankind. So why shall I not say? It is not firing; it is telling the truth. [laughs with Dr. Patel] But I am not loser. I am..., I don't make any compromise. All these my students ask, I never made any compromise. But still they understand, and they are with me.
Dr. Patel: But we are also with you. Aren't we?
Prabhupada: No, I mean to say, those who are sacrificed. In Los Angeles, so many scientists used to come, so after talking with them, I used to say, "You are demon, you are rascal," and they tolerated. [laughter] And they remained for two hours talking and then taking prasadam. They were happy that I called them demons and rascals.
Dr. Patel: Well, you have to call them fools also. [laughs]
Prabhupada: Well, when I say "rascal" it includes everything. [laughs] In Bengal it is said, "When I curse somebody, 'You die!' then all everything is included, finished. You die." [Transl. Tu mara ya: you die.]
Dr. Patel: [Transl. Tum mara sale: you die bloody.]
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: All the work should be done for God.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is our duty. Just like a servant and master. What is the duty of a servant? Simply you wait for the order of the master, and execute it. That's all. Then he's perfect servant. He doesn't require any qualification. Simply if he's ready, the master will order-"I will do." That's all. Therefore Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityaja mam ekam, "Be ready always, what I say, immediatly." And Rupa Goswami says, anukulyena-krsnanu-silanam [Cc Madhya 19.167].
Anukulyena, favorably. Always wait, as Krsna becomes satisfied, for the order. Then you are perfect. Anukulyena-krsnanusilanam bhaktir uttama. That is first-class bhakti. It doesn't require any education. Just like Hanumanji. He was not born in a human society even, but he was always ready to execute the order of Ramacandra. [Transl. Beg alms from others for livelihood and become God!]
Dr. Patel: Human society [indistinct] support the devotees.
Prabhupada: That's all right. Support the right man who is after Bhagavan, not to the rascals. That is the problem. Datavyam iti yad danam tad sattvikam. [Bg 17.20] Here is the person. Here, one has dedicated his whole life for Bhagavan, give everything to him. That is danam. Danam sattvikam rajasikam tamasikam: [charity in the mode of goodness, passion and ignorance]. One is a rascal, then what is the use of giving him dana?
Dr. Patel: Even you do not give dana, he will take away by thievery.
Prabhupada: Anyway, that is a misuse. Misuse.
Prabhupada: If you make tamasika dana, then you become implicated with his sinful activities. Suppose you want to kill somebody, and you're asking, "Kindly you give me a nice knife?" "What you will do?" "I shall kill that man." "All right, take it, danam. I am giving you in charity." So he will be implicated. In the court, if it is known that that man supplied the knife, "Arrest him. Bring him immediately."
Dr. Patel: So what do you think about this America has supplied a lot of grain free of charge to this country, and that grain is fed to the whole of this poor population, and they are not God believers?
Prabhupada: No, no. The Americans, they give to the government, and they are free. They have given to the government.
Dr. Patel: Sattvika dana.
Prabhupada: Yes. The government, Indian government, is in necessity. In necessity, "All right, give it to the government." Their duty is finished. But if the government is rascal, that is their responsibility.
Dr. Patel: But suppose, I mean, you had given me a knife to mend the pencil, and I stab somebody with it. So, like that.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Dr. Patel: You have done a dana to me, giving a knife to mend my pencil, or some useful work, and I stab somebody with the pen..., that penknife, so...
Prabhupada: That is your responsibility.
Dr. Patel: No, but then the dana that you did was not tamasika. Still, it has ended into tamasika action.
Prabhupada: Yes, everything. Just like the money. Money is not material. You can spend it for constructing temple of Krsna. Then it is not material; it is spiritual. Everything originally... Nothing is material. But when it is not used for Krsna, that is material. Otherwise, isavasyam idam sarvam tena tyaktena bhunjitha . If everything is belonging to Krsna, how it can be material? He is spirit, so everything belongs to Him, so how it can be material? Material means when Krsna's things are not used for Krsna, for oneself, that is material.
Dr. Patel: And that is sin also. Anything which is not used for God is sin.
Dr. Patel: Sinful activity.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is spiritual. Yajnarthat, everything is there. Unless you do it for Krsna, everything is material and sinful.
Prabhupada: Yes. Just like government servant, soldiers, they are killing so many; they are not responsible, because he's doing for the government. Police beats you, but you cannot bring any charge against the police. But another man, if he little slaps, you can bring charge, immediately. That is tad-artham karma kaunteya. The police and military department, they are doing for the government. [break]
Dr. Patel: [aside:] [Transl. Brother, today we had a very beneficial day.] ...eh? Very good discussion we had this morning. And we thank you very much.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.
Dr. Patel: [Transl. Please shower mercy on us like this for some days.] [laughs]
Prabhupada: [Transl. But nobody comes.]
Dr. Patel: [Transl. But I come, that] is sufficient. If you get one man who follows you, he is more than thousands fools follow you.
Prabhupada: Yes, if you attend daily, I can speak daily.
Dr. Patel: I do come daily, don't I? [laughing]
Prabhupada: Then I'll speak. Just like Sukadeva Goswami, he spoke Bhagavatam, and there was only candidate Pariksit Maharaja. But he said continuously for seven days.
Dr. Patel: Those rsis came to hear.
Prabhupada: Yes, because he knew that "Here is a gentleman, he'll understand."
Dr. Patel: But I am not that Pariksit... I am an ordinary…
Prabhupada: No, the standard is like that.
Dr. Patel: I am a fool, sir. As you have been calling me very often. It is the sat-saṅga which really cures the man.
Prabhupada:
This is the version of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Prabhupada: Yes, Canakya Pandita also advised: tyaja durjana-samsargam
bhaja sadhu-samagamam. This is..., he was a politician, and still he said, tyaja durjana-samsargam bhaja sadhu-samagamam, and smara nityam anityatam kuru punyam aho ratram. This is his advice, that give up this bad association of atheist-class man. Sadhu means devotee. Durajana means nondevotee. So tyaja durjana-samsargam bhaja sadhu-samagamam. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also says like that. When He was asked by one grhastha bhakta, "What is the duty of a Vaisnava?" Caitanya Mahaprabhu immediately said, asat-saṅga-tyaga ei vaisnava-acara. [Cc Madhya 22.87] A Vaisnava means he must give up the association of nondevotees. Then the question will be, "Who is nondevotee?" Asat-stri-saṅgi krsna abhakta... One who is too much attached to material enjoyment. Stri-saṅgi is the basic point, and one who is not a devotee of Krsna, he is asat. Asat-saṅga-tyaga ei..., in two lines. And the moralist, Canakya Pandita, he also said, tyaja durjana-samsargam bhaja sadhu-samagamam. You give up something, you must take something. Otherwise you will not be able to stay.
Dr. Patel: Nothing can act independently.
Dr. Patel: Then the second half they are not picking.
Prabhupada: Yes. They do not know how to remain in Brahman. No, they do not know; therefore we say rascals. You realize that you are Brahman; now your next business to stay in Brahman. That they do not know.
Dr. Patel: Behave as Brahman. They don't behave.
Prabhupada: Ah. Either behave or stay, I think the same thing. Unless you become fire, you cannot stay in fire.
Dr. Patel: That's right.
Prabhupada: So these people, they realize aruhya krcchrena param padam [SB 10.2.32]. By severe austerity and penances they rise to the Brahman platform, but from there they fall down. Why? Anadrta-yusmad-aṅghrayah. Because Brahman platform means to be engaged in devotional service. Brahma bhuyaya kalpate. Mam ca vyabhicarena bhakti-yogena [Bg 14.26]. If you want to stay on the Brahman platform, then you must render service to Krsna. And if you simply realize that "I am Brahman," then you'll be misguided by maya: "Oh, you are the Supreme Lord. You are Bhagavan."
Prabhupada: So the rascals, under the dictation of maya, they are thinking, "I am God," that's all. They have no intelligence even, that "How I can be God?"
Dr. Patel: Sir, even Saṅkaracarya has taught to do guru-bhakti. But these rascals who are following Saṅkaracarya, they are not following correctly. He was doing bhakti, bhaja govindam he has...
Prabhupada: Bhaja govindam bhaja govinda... He has asked, mudha-mate. One who is rascal, he does not worship Govinda. Indirectly he says, "You rascal," nahi nahi raksati duhkrn karane, prapte sannihite ksana marane, "you have learned so much grammar, grammatical jugglery to interpret the sastra in this way, this way, that way. These things will not help you at the time of your death. You rascal, bhaja govindam." Bhaja govindam bhaja govindam bhaja govindam mudha-mate. He has addressed, "You rascal!" He says mudha. [everyone laughing]
Dr. Patel: I think the modern philosophers are misinterpreting the Saṅkaracarya...
Prabhupada: Because they are mudhas. They want to remain mudhas. That is their fault.
Prabhupada: Saṅkaracarya, because he had to deliver people from this nastika philosophy, bauddha, so for the time being, he made some compromise. The Buddha says there is no God, and he said, "Yes, there is no God. You are God." So if he realizes himself brahma-bhutah, then he'll be engaged in devotional service. That was his purpose.
Prabhupada: Unless he says that, that "Yes, it is not the fact that there is no God. There is God, but that God you are."
Dr. Patel: That is the final argument is that if there is no God, who said there is no God? And that is God. That is what he said.
Prabhupada: [laughing] So you know better than me.
Dr. Patel: No, no. I did not know this. I read it...
Prabhupada: Actually I did not know this. But I know what is his policy. His policy was to make this godless men to think of God, that "I am God." That is... Let him be accustomed with the word "God," then gradually he will understand God. This is called ahaṅgrahopasana. Aham brahmasmi, therefore I shall worship myself. Ahaṅgrahopasana Nikatvena, prthaktvena, ekatvena. It is mentioned in the Bhagavad... ekatvena, that "I am Brahma. So I shall worship myself."
Prabhupada: No, there is, but this is one of the beginning stage, ekatvena: "I am one," monism. Ekatvena prthaktvena bauddha visvato-mukham [Bg 9.15].
Dr. Patel: That passage comprises all three types of philosophy. Ekatvena prthaktvena bahudha visvato-mukham, that comprises all the three main philosophies of India.
Prabhupada: Yes. Pantheism, monism and dualism.
Dr. Patel: And dualism. And qualifies, I mean, visvato. Somebody has very well commented on that particular sloka, giving all the views of Madhvacarya, Ramanujacarya, Saṅkaracarya, and modern interpreters. Somewhere I read, I don't know where, on that particular sloka. After all these things, acarya..., acarya paramo guru.
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