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Prabhupada: That's all.

Devotee: Thank you.

Prabhupada: So mind, his business is to think something. But ordinarily the thinking is we accept something and reject something. Or accept the same thing and again reject the same thing. This business is going on. But if you think of question, there is no question of rejecting. Simply accepting. Then it is fixed up. Other things you accept and reject. Something we accept as "Oh, it is very good." Again, "No, no, it is not good." Accepting. Childish. Child is playing, one type of playing, "No, no, another one." That is material. And when you fix up-no rejection, simply accept it-that is Krsna... So if you think of Krsna... Just like here is temple. If you come and, as other devotees are doing, if you do, if you attend maṅgala-arati, if you attend bhoga-arati, always see, then offer obeisances, then naturally you will think of Krsna always. Then as you think of Krsna, you become purified. Just like if you touch with fire you remain always warm. Similarly, man-mana, if you always think of Krsna, you gradually become fully Krsna-ized, Krsna's devotee, Krsna's servant. That is perfection. There is no difficulty. People will not do that. That is the difficulty. "Why shall I think of Krsna? I shall think of this, I shall think of that." This is the difficulty. Otherwise not difficulty. You have to think something; think of Krsna. That's all. Finished.

Indian man: [Transl. It all happens due to prejudice.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No prejudice. Nothing. We are stubborn. We won't do it. This is our mischief.] Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg 7.15]. Duskrtinah. [Transl. Wicked. Rascal. They won't do only. Just like a child, he won't listen to anyone. However nicely you tell him he will not do it. Rascal. He should be beaten by shoes. That's all. Maya fixes him by shoes.]

Indian man: [Transl. He won't listen to any advice.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That's the thing. He won't do, so maya forces him to do it by beating with shoes repeatedly.] Daivi hy esa guna-mayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg 7.14]. [Transl. Having been beaten by shoes, he comes to his senses. That is his remedy.] Beating with shoes by maya, that's all. [Transl. This is maya's job. To trash nicely. In this way suffer miseries life after life. Life after life.]

[Lady enters]

Oh, when you have come?

Woman: This morning.

Prabhupada: I was thinking of you.

Woman: Oh, yes?

Prabhupada: So did you go to Bangkok?

Woman: No, I'm going very soon. May be I stay for Janmastami then I go.

Prabhupada: [Transl. So, they must get beaten. Until they surrender they are beaten.] Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg 7.15]. [Transl. So long they are criminals the police will beat them up. But as soon as they give up their mischief there will be no connection with police. Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam [Bg 7.14] Otherwise go on being beaten by police.]

Indian man: [Transl. I thought maya was more prominent in the foreign countries? Is she more prominent here or there? Indian side or that side?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What difference does it make if we are Indian? Anywhere.] Indian Mayavadis are more dangerous. [Transl. There, no mayavadis and this or that. They are grossly materialists.]

Indian man: [Transl. Mayavadis are more in numbers in India.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hmm. Too many. They are the ones who spoiled India.] Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said, mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa [Cc Madhya 6.169]. Anyone who is influenced by Mayavadi, he's doomed.

Indian man: He's doomed.

Prabhupada: He's finished. No more spiritual knowledge. He's doomed.

Indian man: How far the study of the scriptures helps us in being Krsna conscious?

Prabhupada: You read Bhagavad-gita. That is the essence of all scriptures. And follow it. It is, from the very beginning to the end, it is simply helping you. You haven't got to read many literatures. Just like these American, European boys, they are with me for the last, utmost seven, eight years. Otherwise, three years, four years. So how are they becoming Krsna conscious? It is not at all difficult. They are accepting Bhagavad-gita as it is, chanting Hare Krsna and becoming perfect. But in India: "Why shall I worship Krsna? I have got this, I have got that." He'll bring thousands of Krsna competitors, and he'll himself, he has become Krsna: "I am God." This is going on. He's so shameless that he says that "I am God." God is so cheap. He's shameless. He has no shame even, how he says that he is God? Mayayapahrta-jnana. So-called jnani means mayayapahrta-jnana.

Indian man: Mayavadi?

Prabhupada: Mayaya apahrta-jnana. Maya. [Transl. Maya has stolen his knowledge. But he thinks he is very learned. He is fool number one but brags himself to be wise. That is called mayayaparta-jnana. Apahrta means snatched away. He is mayavadi.] Who is very, very much under the influence of maya, he is Mayavadi. Unless he is too much under the influence of maya, how he can say that "I am God"? Which is impossible. [Transl. Suppose a person declares that I am king. Will he be accepted as king jusy by his claim? Is it that easy to become a king? A kingdom is required, subjects are required, ministers are required.] So many things which makes one raja, and if you simply imagine, "I am raja," so how much rascal he is, just see. Mudha. Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg 7.15]. [Transl. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has warned] Mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa [Cc Madhya 6.169]. If one follows the Mayavadis and thinks that "I am God," then he is finished. His future is finished.

Indian man: [Transl. Because his knowledge has been stolen he automatically comes to that platform.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He is finished. He cannot progress further. He is a fool. He is crazy. Just like if a man becomes mad then his life is spoiled. Though he is alive, he is finished. Jivan-mrta. Dead though living. He is one kind of mad and another kind of mad is the karmis. nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4] The karmi thinks that by working harder I will earn a lot of money and thereby become happy. He is one kind of mad. And another kind is he who thinks I have worked hard but could not become happy, so now I will become God. He is also crazy. He worked hard but did not become happy. He thinks, "this is all false. Jagan mithya: the world is unreal. I should not go after it. I will become God." He thinks that is real. To become God is real. These considerations are very common. That is why the Supreme Personality of Godhead said sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg 18.66] Some people have concluded that we will be happy by working hard, by earning lot of money and by becoming the king of heaven. And some others have concluded that there is no happiness in all these things now I will become God.]

Indian man: [Transl. Simply mad.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. So these are one kind of insane and those are another kind of insane. And the real sanity is to become servant of the Supreme Lord. That's all. Perfect. Kadaham aikantika-nitya-kiṅkarah praharsayisyami sa-natha-jivitam [Stotra-ratna 43 by Yamunacarya]

When will that day come when I will think that I have got my Lord and He is protecting me? When will I feel that kind of ecstasy? Just like one person is helpless, and there is another person who knows that I have my father, I have my patron, he will protect me all the time. Natuarally that person will be peaceful.]

Indian man: [Transl. He has confidence.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Please come. Sit down.] That is very nice, that "I have got a protector." [Transl. Sanatha. I have a protector.]

Indian man: [Transl. Sanatha. Anatha and sanatha. Yes. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. One who disregards Him, he is anatha. Anatha, like poor children they go here and there. And sanatha jivitam, he knows, I have got father. Who can harm me?]

Indian man: He can be fearless, free.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. He's fearless. [Transl. That is natural.] I have seen in my practical life. Long ago I was going in a tram car. So my son, he was two years old. [Transl. The conductor asked him, "Give me paisa." So he replied "I have no paisa." Then the conductor said, "Then you get down." He said, "My father is with me! Why should I get down?"] He is sanatha. He's confident, "My father is there. How he can get me down?" This is natural. Sanatha-jivitam. Kadaham aikantika-nitya-kiṅkarah praharsayisyami. That is ananda, that "I have no fear. I have got my father here. I have got my protector." Sanatha-jivitam. That is required. [Transl. Otherwise, remain an anatha and suffer birth after birth. None will protect you. Work hard and suffer distress. They are all anatha. bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kami-sakali 'asanta' Asanti. If one is anatha he is asanta. "What will happen? What will I do? Who will protect me?"]

Indian man: [Transl. Niskama ataeva…]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Santa.]

Indian man: [Transl. Ataeva santa.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He is santa. A devotee of Krsna thinks, "Why should I worry? Whatever Krsna says I will do. What I have to do anything separately?" He is santa. When He orders I will carry it out. But the bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kamis, they work according to their own idea, own plan. So how can they be santha? The karmis are making their own plan. We will become happy like this. We will earn so much money, we will go to heaven and here and there. And in that endeavor they are always asanta. And mukti-kamis desire, "I will become God." Therefore he too is asanta. How I will become God. And siddhi, yogis, they also want mystic power. How I will fly in the sky. How I will walk on water. How I will show magic. How I will produce gold. And to show magic they waste their life. It takes some skill to show magic. Jugglery, cheating also require hard work. But the devotee says, "I haven't got to do anything. Whatever the Supreme Lord orders, I will do. That's all. Chant Hare Krsna." He is santa. He hasn't got to do anything. He waits for the master to order.]

Indian man: [Transl. And he does it.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He will do it. He is santa. He hasn't got to do anything of his own accord. Neither he has to show magic, nor to go to heaven, nor to become God, nor go to jail or do anything else. Nothing. That's all. He is santa. So bhukti-mukti… In Caitanya caritamrta it is written, bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kami-sakali 'asanta'. All are restless.]

Indian man: [Transl. Bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kami.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. All of them are asanta. And Krsna bhakta niskama, because he does not want anything. He neither has to become one with God, nor he has to show magic, nor he has to go to heaven. He says, "I will go to hell even. What is there? I will simply carry out the Lord's order. That's all." Narayana-parah sarve na kutascana bibhyati [SB 6.17.28] One who is prepared to carry out Narayana's order, he has no fear whatsoever. Svargapavarga-narakesv api tulyartha-darsinah. God says, "You go to hell." "All right. I will go to hell. If God so orders, it's all right. All I have to do is to follow the Supreme Lord's order." If you are ready to follow Lord's order in hell then the Lord too has to go to hell to give you order. So if the Supreme Lord is with me then where is the question of hell?]

Indian man: [Transl. Yes. God too will have to accompany. Then the hell will no longer be hell perhaps.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Just like Narada Muni goes. He goes to hell also and heaven also. He goes to Vaikuntha also. He goes everywhere. So if he went to hell for preaching, he didn't go to hell!]

Indian man: [Transl. He went for preaching.]

Prabhupada: Jaya. [end]