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Kaviraja: [Transl. You take that powder and tie it in a piece of cloth and dip it inside milk. You take 250 gram milk, 50 gram water and that medicine and you keep boiling until the water evaporated. Then you take out the medicine and give him the milk. If you give milk with medicine like this, there will be no mucus.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay. Milk is necessary for him.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. If you notice he has little mucus then give him some Sitopaladi Churna regularly.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Sitopaladi.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Sitopaladi Churna]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Did you write it down?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, You bring it separately. I will explain to Assistant Kaviraja about the condition of his health on a day to day basis. Whatever he needs to do. You need not worry about the cough, that I will control quickly. What will he get strength from?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. From food.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, Diet. Protein Diet like curd. Curd is full of protein. If he doesn't take anything, you at least give him barley three times a day.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He is taking liquid anyway. About one kilo of liquid is going inside.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Maximum one kilo or may be eleven hundred grams.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. As for his motion, if he doesn't pass stool for three, four days then give him a glycerin anema.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. We usually give him water anema.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is also okay. But by giving glycerin anema that part becomes slippery so that the stool can pass smoothly. You can take one ounce of glycerin, one ounce olive oil and water and give him. It is the gas that dries the stool and caupses constipation. And that way gradually one has the problem of constipation. He also doesn't take enough food.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Last three, four days...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He may not eat any grain, he may not eat grain for fifteen days, no problem. And honey...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He didn't eat grain since six months.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. There is no harm that he did not eat grains for six month. There is milk, juice, barley.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Little bit curd we can give.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is good. Gradually as he develops appetite, from medicine he will have appetite, so gradually as he gets appetite he will start eating. And this particular season is also favorable for increasing the fire of digestion naturally. During this time the sun supplies energy to the human beings. In summer season the energy is drained out. Therefore the energy level goes down gradually. This is a good season. This season will naturally give strength and I believe gradually all his disturbances will go away and his health will improve. So today I will make arrangement for decoction and how will I get the medicine from Calcutta? Ark from Calcutta is necessary. It is difficult. It is not available in Delhi.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Can someone bring it from there?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Can you get it by post? Parcel?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. By post not possible, because it will be in a bottle.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. explaining: To transport the medicine, someone can bring it from Calcutta here. [If someone brings with him then it's good.]

Tamala Krsna: Or the same things, if the ingredients can be gotten in Delhi or Agra, they can be prepared here?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You can do like this, you get the ingredients from Delhi and prepare the decoction here.]

Tamala Krsna: We have Prabhupada's car. We can go.

Kaviraja: [Transl. It is not possible because the medicine has to be produced by bhapka or distilling machine.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What is bhapka?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. By which...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. From the steam.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. From the steam of the medicine the water is collected. It is not possible here. Distilled water.]

Bhakti-caru: He says it's distilled. He has got to distill the medicine. For that he needs proper apparatus.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Instead of water I want to give him that. The faster his kidney starts to function, the faster his appetite will come back. Actually all the poison of the body goes out through urine. Just see his hands, here, all the salt from the body is accumulated here. Do not give him salt at all. ]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. We don't give him salt, not at all.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Still if give him salt then, there is a salt which is produced from Punarnava, in Allopath K-salt is used, but that salt is even better than the Allopathic K-salt. We will give him that salt later. Now there is no need to give that. When all the swelling is gone then you can give him.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today I am going to cook some Lauki sabji and in that I have to put little salt.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Would you like some salt in it?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Even if there is no salt it is okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The best thing is not to have any salt. If you want to put then put little K-salt or rock salt. Which salt do you use?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. We use rock salt for him. By putting salt it becomes tasty and then perhaps he will eat little. Before also we used to give him salt, say about three months ago. At that time he was having this swelling but he was eating. Though he had swelling he used to eat little bit.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Now he has no appetite. Before he had no aversion to food. If no food goes inside the body then gradually all the muscles etc will dry up and shrink.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. It will be nice if we can give him some milk.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. As for milk, I will give some medicine to be taken with milk so that there will be no mucus. Milk, now about diet, we will gradually increase the quantity of his milk intake. We will increase the quantity of milk up to one kilo or two kilos.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Previously he used to drink about 750 grams of milk. Every day we used to give him milk three four times. About 750 grams.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. One kilo of milk he must take everday for his health. One kilo of milk is not so much.]

Bhakti-caru: He's saying Srila Prabhupada should drink at least a kilo of milk every day.

Tamala Krsna: Phew! If he personally feeds Prabhupada, I can believe that he'll take it.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Maharaja is saying if you personally feed Srila Prabhupadaji one kilo of milk that will be the best.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Then leave him like this for ten fifteen days and then we will take him to Mayapur and you will have no problem.]

Bhakti-caru: He said that for ten, fifteen days let him be like this here, and then he'll take him to Mayapur.

Kaviraja: [Transl. There, there will be no problem. Slowly, slowly we will take him around, he will get back his strength and everything will be alright.]

Bhakti-caru: And then he can take personal charge over there.

Tamala Krsna: So now you have to get these medicines.

Bhakti-caru: Yes. Get the medicines, and... He wants to see the kaviraja also, because he's going to give some instructions to him, like if in case, when he is not here, so that he can... [Transl. The point is that the local Kaviraja from here is an elderly person. He has difficulty in walking. So...]

Tamala Krsna: But that other gentleman will not...

Bhakti-caru: No, no, not him. I'm talking about Sri Raṅgaji's temple there is a young kaviraja.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Any Kaviraja, the point is if he is ready to do service nicely and take whatever fee is reasonable.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. There is no question of fee.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. See, there are two things, either one's own interest or interest of God.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Let us go to that Kaviraja who used to treat Prabhupada before and you can talk to him personally. You can check whether he would be able to do the work.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What I mean is I want somebody to act as my representative. This is what I want. As I instruct him he should follow so that Maharaja's condition will get better.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay, you can talk to both of them and see which one.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Say, there is some extra treatment needed, he should be able to take care of it. The symptoms of disease change according to the condition of the patient. For example, if he gets loose motion then that should be controlled, if there is gas that should be taken care off. These disturbances may arise suddenly and they should be controlled, otherwise like that the health condition should go on steadily.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. There should not be any difficulty.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I treated one patient in Delhi. I left one assistant Kaviraja there to look after him. I used to come once a month. Now that patient has put on forteen kilos weight! The patient had twenty ulcers, peptic ulcers. Doctors told him he will not be cured and he is going to die. Now he has no more ulcers, all are cured. Everything happens by the will of the God, but the person who takes care should be...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Good.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Good. If he likes, sometimes give him raisins. Does he eat raisins?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Nowadays we don't give him. Previously we gave him raisins by grinding it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Oh, Like chutney.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Because at that time he had no appetite at all.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The main point is he should get back his appetite.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. That is the biggest problem.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. In the course of time his intestine has shrunk. Therefore he lost his appetite. When a person has no appetite, his bodily strength starts to reduce. When one has appetite and he starts to eat little by little, he will slowly gain strength and recover his health.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Our Vanamali Babu...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Will not work under anyone's direction.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. That's why I think in Raṅgaji temple there is a Dispensary. I met with a Vaidyaji there. He is young. He also told me that if there is any service for me I will be glad to do it. So I am thinking of taking this Kaviraja to that Vaidyaji. He is also young and agile. He will act accordingly.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Why don't you bring that Vaidyaji here?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay. Srila Prabhupada.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Bring him here and talk to him.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, Srila Prabhupada. I will bring him. Also Vaidyaji wants to go to the market. Whatever medicines he requires he wants to personally buy them.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Alright.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Want to say something more Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No. What I have to say.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Then let's go.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

[break]

Tamala Krsna: So in that way he was thinking to leave, but now he's agreed to stay on for at least five or six days. We convinced him that "You stay here, and you take Prabhupada to Mayapur personally." That's what we're pushing for. We explained how all of his patients put together multiplied by one crore cannot equal Your Divine Grace. And he agreed. He said, "That I know." And we explained that... He was quoting from Srimad-Bhagavatam. So we explained how Your Divine Grace was the representative and incarnation of Vyasadeva, and he accepted that. He has very high respect for Vyasadeva and for you, because he's seen your books. He knows that you're not ordinary. Then he described what was wrong with you and how he's going to be treating it. We told him that... Then I was asking him what is his native place. So he's Marwari. Then he was telling us the native town. And I asked him if he had any charitable dispensary. He said he wouldn't take any money. We were trying to think of different ways to... Anyway, he wouldn't take any money. Then he said he has a... He talked about his father. His father was a very big devotee of Nrsimhadeva. So one day his father plus eleven other Vaisnavas went to Badarikasrama for darsana of the Deities. And on the way... They were walking, and on the way they were attacked by these baels.[?] They're called baels?

Bhavananda: Aborigines in the north. Very ferocious.

Tamala Krsna: They're ferocious men. So the men said that "Now we will kill you and take your money, plunder you." So his father said, "Well, we will give you whatever we have, but what is the use of killing us?" They said, "No, we are not brahmanas. We are aborigines. So we like to kill also." So then the father said, "Then at least, the king, even if he hangs someone, he gives them five minutes for prayer. So give us five minutes." So then all of the Vaisnavas, they chanted Nrsimhadeva mantras very strongly. And suddenly there was a strong roaring of a lion, and a big ferocious lion leaped into the middle and ate up two of the attackers. And then all of the Vaisnavas, they bowed down at the feet of the lion and they were offering prayers, and the lion went away. So his father... He said that if one has a pure heart, if he's a pure Vaisnava, Krsna can appear. He said in the form of the lion Krsna actually protected them. So he wants to make some charitable dispensary in his home town on behalf of his father. I'm thinking if he cures you we will give him a nice donation towards that charitable dispensary.

Then we told him that... We asked him what kind of food does he like. So he told us, so that now we'll make arrangement. We gave him very good food this morning, and we will cook him rotis. Bhakti-caru and another devotee are cooking. So they will cook him fresh vegetables as he likes, according to his taste. And Adri-dharana serves him personally. And then I said also, "While you're here, there's much time. We can take you to the different temples." Because this is the first time he's come to Vrndavana. I said, "Even in the afternoon you can go with Prabhupada's car to Govardhana." He said, "First of all, before darsana, let us do the medicine." So he went with the car. He said, "I will drive the car. I can drive." We said, "We have a driver." He said, "If you don't have a driver, I will drive to get the medicine." So then they went into the city to get..., into Vrndavana to get the necessary medicines. He said very strongly, he said, "What I prescribe, no vaidya can talk over what I prescribe." He said, "If I prescribe something, it is correct. That I'm sure." But he is very devotional, very pakka, like a Marwari, just like a high-class Life Member. He sits very straight and he's... Now we will have to see. But the main point we stressed is that you will not have confidence in anyone else. So there's no point in..., that he should tell some other man that in his absence, "Do like this." Because supposing in his absence the medicine doesn't work right. Then the other kaviraja becomes the kaviraja. That we don't want. So I said, "You must see the reaction of the medicines, and you must... When Prabhupada eats, you must sit there and watch and see what he's eating, see everything." And he said, "That I will do."

Another nice thing, Srila Prabhupada. Remember, you initiated one devotee, Radha-Ramana Goswami? You remember his father and mother, Joshis, from Delhi? You lived with them. So he wrote a letter to you about a week ago, saying that he wanted to come back. So I wrote him, "Yes, you come. Prabhupada will see you." So he came today. He's in saffron with shaved head. So I thought afterwards he can come and... He wants to become a devotee again. He's wasted his five years. He knows he's wasted time. Aksayananda Maharaja suggested that he can engage in helping Bhakti-prema Swami. Because Bhakti-prema, he dictates, but he needs someone to hear and to write. This way, he'll be working for your books and hearing the philosophy, and he's a literate person, three years in college. So anyway, he returned today. Nanda-kumara also came. He arrived yesterday. So gradually everyone is returning to your lotus feet, Srila Prabhupada. Not possible to leave you, Srila Prabhupada. So would you like to go on the parikrama this morning? We can make arrangements now?

Upendra: We have some grape juice.

Tamala Krsna: Would you like to take something, Srila Prabhupada? Drinking?

Prabhupada: I have taken in the morning Horlick.

Tamala Krsna: You took Horlicks? Want to take any more?

Satadhanya: We have some here.

Bhavananda: Grape juice they prepared, if you like to take.

Svarupa Damodara: It's about ten to eleven, Srila Prabhupada, about ten minutes to eleven.

Tamala Krsna: ...we can go on parikrama. The weather is cool in Vrndavana now, even during the day. We'll put your sunglasses on so you won't be disturbed by the light. [indistinct background talking]

Satadhanya: It's grape juice, Srila Prabhupada. [Prabhupada drinks]

Bhavananda: Tamala Krsna Maharaja and I went into the temple for darsana, and we were commenting how the people are so impressed by the Deities, all of the visitors, especially Radha-Syamasundara. They're so beautifully dressed.

Tamala Krsna: Bhavananda Maharaja was saying how last night you were saying that there's nothing nicer and more fortunate than to be the pujari of a Deity.

[break] [discussing letter from Dr. G. Ghosh]

We'll just get the sum and substance. He's offering his obeisances to Bhavananda Maharaja and the other devotees he met here. He says he's very anxious about your health and progress. He requests me to give him a report. He says as regards to starting of the dispensary and also organizing a health teaching center for educating the boys by the latest audio-visual methods, he said that you seemed to be very earnest about it. In fact, he says that you told him to start as soon as possible. He says but he wishes to explain some of his difficulties. So Dr. Sharma and Jagadisa, the director of education, and... They've promised to go through the idea. But he didn't find that Dr. Sharma showed much inclination for this idea. The actual thing, Srila Prabhupada, is that we want him to have a dispensary. We're not so much eager for his educational training. Naturally, Dr. Sharma was not so enthusiastic.

Prabhupada: No. Our is spiritual education, no medical education.

Tamala Krsna: Right. That's the point.

Prabhupada: Preliminary health principles, they can learn.

Tamala Krsna: And that's already going on.

Svarupa Damodara: Sharma is teaching Ayurvedic, basic Ayurvedic.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, anyway, that's all right. So I'll explain to him that what we want... I already wrote him a letter inviting him to... He can have two rooms-one for his living and one for his dispensary, and treat the inmates here. I'll again repeat that. [break]

Svarupa Damodara: Light?

Rajeev Gupta: Dr. Sharma said that you named introduction as Antar-Darsana because it gives in essence of the entire...

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Rajeev Gupta: Dr. Sharma suggested that we name introduction as Antar-Darsana, because it is the essence of the entire commentary. We have summarized the entire thing into thirty pages. So I thought we can name it...

Prabhupada: Antar-Darsana?

Rajeev Gupta: Yes.

Prabhupada: Good. Read it.

Svarupa Damodara: Read it.

Rajeev Gupta: [Srimad Bhagavad-gita is also called Gitopanisad. Among the whole vedic statements it is the topmost Upanisad. Actually it is the essence of all vedic literatures.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Okay. Good.]

Svarupa Damodara: [Transl. It's good.]

Prabhupada: Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah [Cc Madhya 17.136]. [Transl. The more you become inclined to the Lord's service, the Lord will sit on your tongue and manifest Himself.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Yes. That I am realizing. As I practice more and more...]

Prabhupada: sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah/ atah sri-krsna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih. [Transl. He is not realized by the material senses. But one who is prepared to render service, the Supreme Lord appears in his tongue] Thank you very much.

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Prabhupadaji, I have strong desire that I may render service more and more. So if I get ability...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You will have it. Yadrsi, How it goes?]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. My goal is to do one book in a month.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Do it. Do it more.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Prabhupadaji, I have a strong desire that your Sri Caitanya-caritamrta is translated into Hindi.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That's a good idea. It will be done. Try hard. It will be successful. And what is the first page?]

Svarupa Damodara: First page.

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. In the first page, actually I have some difficulty in two, three places in the first page. In two three sentences.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, in Title page.]

Rajeev Gupta: Title. [Transl. That is now being published in Bombay. In your purport to the first verse I have some doubts in two three sentences whether I am translating it correctly or not?]

Prabhupada: Which sloka?

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. The introduction is named Antar darsana. In your commentary of the first sloka there is one sentence. Here it is.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Read it.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Dhrtarastra said: O Sanjaya, after my sons and the sons of Pandu assembled in the place of pilgrimage at Kuruksetra, desiring to fight, what did they do? Purport, Bhagavad-gita is the widely read theistic science summarized in the Gita-mahatmya.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How many pages are being printed?]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Now about seventy, eighty pages have been printed.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. First chapter is completed?]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. First chapter is done. Maharajaji, my translation is ordinary, but your commentary is incomparable. When this literature is distributed in India, it will open the eyes of the public.]

Prabhupada: Smiles.

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. The vision of people is covered by duplicity and cheating. This book will reveal the actual truth and open their eyes. You have presented it in a very pure way.]

Prabhupada: As it is.

Svarupa Damodara: That's in all languages.

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is selling like anything.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Maharajaji, we have received an order of ten thousand copies from Fiji.]

Prabhupada: Really! laughs

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Maharajaji, Then what can be said of India? In India it will sell in Lakhs.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Fiji center says give us as many copies as you can. There, we have a big temple of Kaliya-damana, Krsna.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Krsna-Kaliya!]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now everything is established, but I have to go. This must be the desire of the Lord.]

Svarupa Damodara: It's unlimited service that one can render.

Rajeev Gupta: That's why I become a bit discouraged sometimes, because I'm not able to do what I want to do.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hanuman-prasada's grandson has complained that what you have done is hundred times...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How many copies did Fiji order?]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Ten thousand, Maharaja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Our Sri Caitanya-caritamrta is also selling very widely.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Yes Maharaja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Yes Maharaja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. The cost of one set is eight hundred rupees.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Yes Maharaja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. About four thousand copies have already been sold.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. That's thirty-two lakhs.]

Prabhupada: Laughs.

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Maharajaji, if it can sell in English, then it can certainly sell in Hindi.]

Svarupa Damodara: So you can translate also.

Rajeev Gupta: I want. It's his mercy, which will do. [Transl. Maharajaji, All over the world and in India also almost all the young people have become impersonalists. Almost everyone. I spoke to many people and they don't believe God is a person. Nobody says He is a person. They say God is a divine power.] That's all. He is not a person.

Prabhupada: [Transl. They say I am God.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Yes. They also say so.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Especially the party of Mahesh Yogi is totally atheist.]

Svarupa Damodara: Nonsense.

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Mahesh Yogi, Bhagavan Rajneesh]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now they are all being subdued. Now they have no importance.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Maharajaji, It is unfortunate for India that people are not recognizing that the personification of the Lord's power has incarnated. This is truly very unfortunate.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is mentioned in the sastra krsna-sakti vina nahe tara pravartana, Unless empowered by Krsna, one cannot propagate the saṅkirtana movement.

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. But Maharajaji, God's power has descended in your form. This is not an ordinary thing.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Print as many books as possible and distribute them. Did you take prasada?]

Svarupa Damodara: Did you get prasada?

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Maharajaji, Just now I came.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Give him prasada.]

Svarupa Damodara: Yes. You come with me, take prasadam.

Prabhupada: [Transl. This Baradraj Prabhu...]

Svarupa Damodara: Baradraj?

Prabhupada: [Transl. … is arranging a Doll exhibition.]

Rajeev Gupta: [Transl. Yes. Maharaja. Maharajaji, I have seen the first volume of the tenth canto of your Srimad-Bhagavatam. How nicely you have presented it. Very nice. All the acaryas mood is revealed there.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. The Dolls he is making are also unique. Have you seen the pictures?]

Rajeev gupta: [Transl. Yes Maharajaji.]

Svarupa Damodara: You want to take some prasada?

Prabhupada: Hmm. Who is this?

Baradraj: Nayanabhirama.

Prabhupada: Hum?

Baradraj: Nayanabhirama.

Prabhupada: [Transl. All of you go and take prasad.]

Svarupa Damodara: Okay.Jaya Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Prabhupada. [break]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Have you seen the article in the Statesman?]

Upendra: Oh, Srila Prabhupada, none of us speak Hindi. There's no more Hindi-speaking disciples at your side just now. Baradraj, Nayanabhirama and myself, Upendra dasa, are here.

Prabhupada: [Transl. In the Statesman there is a report.]

Upendra: They have that article in the next room.

Nayanabhirama: I just cut it out.

Upendra: And we'll show it to Rajeev. They've gone to take prasadam just now.

Prabhupada: Oh. Just make it dark.

[sound of curtains closing] [break]

Tamala Krsna: ...for getting a little more clear purposes of the Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust we're developing at Gauda-mandala-bhumi. Would you like to hear what we have written?

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Svarupa Damodara: "First point: To systematically propagate spiritual knowledge to the residents and the visitors of Gauda-mandala-bhumi.

Second point: To propagate the consciousness of Krsna, as it is revealed in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam, and to propagate that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is Lord Krsna Himself, as is revealed in Sri Caitanya-caritamrta and the Caitanya Bhagavata.

3] To bring all the members of Gaudiya-Madhava-sampradaya together nearer to Lord Caitanya and thus develop within humanity at large that each soul is a part and parcel of Godhead [Krsna].

4] To teach and encourage the saṅkirtana movement of congregational chanting of the holy names of God given in the teachings of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

5] To erect temples, schools, colleges, universities, institutes of higher studies, hospitals and other buildings with or for the advancement of the objects of the Trust and to maintain, alter and improve the same, including existing buildings, and to furnish and equip the same.

6] In keeping with the spirit of the previous acaryas' vision of Gaudiya-Madhva sampradaya, to cement relations with all the sister temples of Gaudiya-Madhva sampradaya under one banner, to solidify preaching the message of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, as desired by His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada and Srila Thakura Bhaktivinoda and all the previous acaryas in this line.

7] With a view to achieving the aforementioned purposes and to publish and distribute periodicals, magazines, and other books and other items.

8] To do all such other things for the attainment of the objects of the Trust.

9] Trustee members are appointed lifetime. The numbers should always be seven.

10] A meeting once a year at Sridhama Mayapur during Gaura-Purnima.

11] There should be a chairman, a treasurer and a secretary, who are elected each year.

12] A quorum of at least five members." Finishes.

Tamala Krsna: So these are the points, Srila Prabhupada, that we have... We expanded this. Your original simple point was to form a Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity for developing Gauda-mandala-bhumi. So we have expanded it into these points if they please Your Divine Grace. We took the ideas mostly from your original points in the..., when you formed the New York corporation, Srila Prabhupada. We used those points and just changed them around a little bit. Today that Jagadish, I forget his name, that lawyer from Mathura, he is coming, so I'm going to be meeting with him, and I'll give him these points and see if he can draft a document, proper document. I'd like to get a document done in time so that when we go to Mayapur, and especially at Gaura-Purnima, we can have the first meeting. [break]

Bhavananda: ...mantras nonstop, always chanting while he's preparing. [break]

Tamala Krsna: [answering Prabhupada's query] Where is Vrindavan? I spoke with him for about two hours this afternoon, going over all of the points again, and, er, I explained everything to him. He said that he's a very..., he personally has very bad luck, very unlucky person. He said, "My only possible hope is my father."

Prabhupada: To guide him.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I told him, "You're right. Actually, Prabhupada is... All of us were in the same position. We're all unlucky. Our only hope is Srila Prabhupada." I said, "As long as you keep remembering that, then you'll be all right." [break]

Prabhupada: Hmm. Submissive, we can guide him.

Tamala Krsna: He said he's very frightened of you. I told him that we also are. [laughter] I said, "Even though Prabhupada is lying in bed ill, we are very frightened also."

Svarupa Damodara: That's a fact. [break]

Prabhupada: You are doing?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. [break]

Pancadravida: We are very much fortunate that after so many millions of lifetimes in the material world we have finally met a qualified spiritual master.

Prabhupada: For fifty years they could not construct a mandapa in Gauda-mandala. [break]

Tamala Krsna: Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust, or Charitable Trust? Which do you prefer, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: That I do not know. You...

Svarupa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada said... [break]

Tamala Krsna: He stays in the governor's room, room number 31. We gave him nice prasadam. [Prabhupada coughs up mucus] Is the kaviraja here right now, Satadhanya Maharaja? Is he?

Satadhanya: He was mixing medicines a little while ago.

Tamala Krsna: Would you like to see him, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Now, not necessary.

Tamala Krsna: Okay. [break] ...appreciative of Your Divine Grace and of ISKCON. Adri-dharana reports that while they were traveling together, during the ten hours they were discussing your Society's activities around the world. And the..., Shastriji was saying how the effect of Krsna consciousness is so transcendental that even if a person is mleccha-yavana, he can become a pure devotee by chanting of the holy name. And he said therefore he feels that the work which you are doing is the most important work being done by anyone in the whole world. He's very favorable towards you and towards ISKCON and the devotees.

[break] ...has to admit that, Srila Prabhupada, that your work is the topmost of anyone on this planet. [break]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Me?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No me.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Sleeping? Sleeping is good. If you sleep that is good. Did he pass some more urine today?]

Bhakti caru: [Transl. Urine was 290.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. 290. How much was yesterday? Did you eat something today Maharaja?]

Bhakti caru: [Transl. This morning 140 grams of grapes juice, 10 grams of Lauki sabji and along with some solid...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Little, little. Very little.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. How much urine did he pass yesterday?]

Bhakti caru: [Transl. Yesterday 325.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. 325. How much today?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today 290. Just now he passed 90.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So you gave him one dose of medicine no?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. One dose.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Are you feeling comfortable?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You are comfortable? There is no disturbance in the mind?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, nothing like that.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Let me see your tongue.]

Svarupa Damodara: Want a torch?

Kaviraja: [Transl. You ate Lauki sabji today, how was the taste?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I felt little taste.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Little. Did you feel like eating?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes, Very little.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Keep taking little bit of food every day.]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Kaviraja: [Transl. This illness of yours is such that it kills your appetite. So little by little, from today your medicine has started, you will have appetite. I am sure you will pass more urine tomorrow. And if you pass more urine, all these swellings etc will go away. The packet medicine you give along with the decoction. You take medicines regularly. If you take medicines properly, you will get cured.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I will take.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Now I will give medicine for four days. Not more.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Four times okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. And at night, does he get sound sleep?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He doesn't sleep at night.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Doesn't sleep at night.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. From twelve midnight to four in the morning, that is his old habit.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Remains awake?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, During that time he used to translate.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What about now? Now he worships the Lord while lying down.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. For sleeping I will do like this, I will add jatamamsi in his decoction at night. That will help him in sleeping. The more he sleeps the more energy he will gain. And that will be good for him. From tomorrow we must arrange for him to take barley.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Certainly.]

Bhakti-caru: He's saying that the more Srila Prabhupada sleeps, it's better for him.

Tamala Krsna: Really. He's sleeping a lot. Today you were sleeping a lot, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Svarupa Damodara: The morning also.

Kaviraja: [Transl. I have prepared that dry powder, in the day time you smear it here in the legs…]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Wherever there is swelling.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. ...and also wherever there is swelling. Also at the bottom of the feet you apply. We can do like this, can you get cow urine here?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, you can get.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. We can also apply cow urine so that the swelling will reduce in three, four days. Other medicines you give as usual.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today we can also apply Suskamuladi oil to him.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is good. Apply Suskamuladi oil at night and during the day apply cow urine and then smear the powder. Smearing is not recommended at night. It is prohibited. Everything will be alright.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay. Smearing at daytime and oiling at night time.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. How is your taste now Maharaja?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is neutral now.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Neutral. You don't feel bitterness or some kind of coating in the mouth?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, how did you like the Lauki sabji today?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Good.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Little good.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. But he ate very little.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Let him take little by little.]

Tamala Krsna: He only took three spoonfuls.

Bhakti-caru: That also not fully; only half.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Within a week his power of digestion will increase. Why do we give him barley water? Because, that way grain will go inside his body and come out in the form of urine.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada, did you have any problem with the stool today? There was not so much passing, I think.

Bhakti-caru: Not at all today.

Prabhupada: Stool? No.

Tamala Krsna: So that problem has cleared up. It was that medicine. That medicine, that makara-dhvaja.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Once your sickness is cured I will bring back your strength very quickly. You understand?]

Prabhupada: Okay.

Kaviraja: [Transl. After two weeks you will get back your full strength. Only your sickness has to be cured. I have varieties of good medicines. The medicine that I gave you today contains pearl. Muktapishti. If this medicine you take two times a day, your power will increase and you will get strength. When did he pass stool?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He didn't pass stool today.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Didn't pass yesterday.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yesterday morning he passed but it was very little.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Naturally?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Naturally. Before that he passed a good amount of stool for two days.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Passed so much?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Say 200 or 250 grams. I think because he took that medicine.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Which medicine?]

Bhakti-caru & Svarupa Damodara: [Transl. Makara-dhvaja.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That created heat in his stomach.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He passed so much.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That should not have happened. sukrayatvam balam pumsam malayatvam jivanam. In this condition life depends on passing of stool. There is no harm if he doesn't pass one day.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. When he doesn't pass stool for two, three days then we give him enema.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. With decoction he will have clear motion every day. And if he passes regularly then his swelling in the intestine will reduce and the particles of old stool will also come out. And when the intestine is empty and it starts to function then he will feel hungry. Now his intestine is not working properly. Do you pass wind from the bottom? Pass air?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Little, little.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That's good. He has no other disturbance.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Like that he has no problem.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He is peaceful. In spite of difficulty.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. From outside we cannot make out if he has any difficulty.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Doesn't look like he is sick. Your body is pure Maharaja. Your life is very righteous.]

Prabhupada: [chuckles].

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, I am telling the truth. There is no kind of disturbance in the body. It is the will of the Supreme Lord that you stay some more time in this world and render service. Your service is service to the Lord for His pleasure.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes, That is true.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From tomorrow start giving barley to him.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Actually I made some Horlicks for him, I told you no? So I did not give him barley as yet. He did not drink it anyway. I brought it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Didn't take Horlicks?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No, He was sleeping. So I thought you will give medicine, now can I give after your medicine?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay give.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. How long after the medicine?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. About fifteen, twenty minutes.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I will give some barley along with it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. You start from tomorrow morning. No barley tonight. You start in the morning and then you can give at night also. What about his thirst?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Thirst, he doesn't drink water at all. Very little. About drinking…]

Svarupa Damodara: [Transl. Fruit juice?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I don't feel thirsty.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He doesn't feel thirsty. I heard that to not have thirst is a good symptom.]

Tamala Krsna: Why is it that Prabhupada has no thirst?

Kaviraja: [Transl. What does he say?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He says, Why Prabhupadaji has no thirst?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. To feel very thirsty is not good.]

Bhakti-caru: He says it's not good to have too much thirst. It's better in this condition.

Kaviraja: [Transl. He doesn't eat anything, how will he have thirst?]

Bhakti-caru: He's not eating anything.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Having thirst is a disease. When the bile secretion increases one becomes thirsty. That is normal. His bile tendency is normal.]

Bhakti-caru: He says that to have the thirst is a kind of disease when the bile secretion increases.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay, let me see the stomach condition. How is it?]

Svarupa Damodara: He wants to see his stomach.

Kaviraja: No wind. [Transl. No air.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No air.]

[indistinct background discussion by devotees about fetching oil] [break]

Prabhupada: The assistant? [Transl. Who is assistant?]

Svarupa Damodara: [Transl. What did you say?]

Prabhupada: The assistant? Somebody is appointed assistant.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Adri-dharana is doing all assisting and serving to him-Adri-dharana.

Svarupa Damodara: The boy from Calcutta.

Tamala Krsna: The boy who brought him.

Prabhupada: No, Raṅganatha temple, somebody?

Tamala Krsna: Oh. Not yet, Srila Prabhupada. We're not getting into that, because hopefully we want him to stay for some time.

Prabhupada: He has agreed.

Tamala Krsna: He's agreed to stay for some time.

Prabhupada: No, that assistant.

Tamala Krsna: No, we haven't approached anyone yet.

Bhakti-caru: No, he has come.

Tamala Krsna: Oh, you did approach?

Bhakti-caru: Yes. Like, he just wanted to consult him. Consult him in the sense... At the first place he had to discuss about certain preparations, and he didn't have the books with him, so he wanted to see the books, so I took him there. And then he liked him, talking to him, and he says he's a very efficient person. So he wanted him to come tomorrow, so like when he is not here...

Tamala Krsna: How long he will stay here for?

Bhakti-caru: Four or five days he agreed to stay. But he says that in four or five days Srila Prabhupada won't be able to travel. It will be at least ten to fifteen days. At that time...

Tamala Krsna: Anyway, let us see. Maybe we can convince him to stay.

Svarupa Damodara: A bit longer.

Tamala Krsna: We should try. Srila Prabhupada? I had meeting with that lawyer? That man is wonderful. He is the first lawyer I have ever met that I honestly feel is an honest man. That Jagadish...

Prabhupada: Agarwal.

Tamala Krsna: Is that his name? Agarwal? From Mathura. Phew! Very high class man, thoroughly gentleman.

Svarupa Damodara: Noble-minded.

Tamala Krsna: We met. Svarupa Damodara and I spent an hour at Bhagatji's house. Bhagatji brought him. So he's going to do that Trust. He says in three or four days' time he can finish it, Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust, with the aims and objects we have given. Then I talked about that squandering amendment. So he explained that the best way to do it is that we amend it to say that they always get 250 rupees for their maintenance, and the other 750 rupees, instead of fixing it in their names, fix it in the name of ISKCON, and ISKCON executors of the will shall see that they give them the money at the time of seven years for the purposes of three: purchasing property, business, and for buying government stocks. And the profits from those, they can do anything they want with. He said don't let them put the 750 rupees in their name, because then they can do anything they want with it, squander it. But if you put the money in fixed deposit in ISKCON's name, then ISKCON can give them the money after seven years, for those three purposes. So if you approve, then he can make an amendment clause, and then you can sign it, and then it can be done. He understood everything very perfectly. He said actually... He understood it perfectly. Actually, because everything belongs to ISKCON, the whole will is more or less a moral, spiritual guidance, because legally everything is already ISKCON's. So I said, "But we want it to be morally and guided spiritually. To us, this is the will. Whatever this will says, we must follow, as Prabhupada's disciples." He said, "Then I can make an amendment, which would be like that, that every month they'll get 250 rupees for their whole lifetime, and the 750 rupees will be put in fixed deposit for seven years in the name of ISKCON, and at the end of that, the ISKCON executors of the will, will give them each the money each month, fifteen hundred rupees, for the purpose of..., in those three ways, and that the money should not be squandered." He said that way, if ISKCON sees that the money is being squandered, then they stop giving them that money and they'll just give 250 rupees. Two hundred fifty rupees they must get. And Radharani De, she may get always one thousand rupees. She is older. Let her have that. Whatever she does is her business with the money. And, I think, this is a very good way. And we'll all make sure that they get the money, but they must use it properly. It's Krsna's money.

Prabhupada: And they'll remain in that house lifetime.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. It's a very good house. I spoke to him. I said, "Have you made any friends in that house?" He said, "Oh, they're all..." He called them lakhi-pati and crore-pati. [Prabhupada laughs] I said, "So it's very good house. Such big people are living there."

Prabhupada: Who said lakhi....

Tamala Krsna: Vrindavan. He was saying that they're all big people living there. So I said, "That's good. It means a high-class place. You don't move out of there." He said, "It is a good place."

Prabhupada: Very first class place.

Tamala Krsna: It is first class. There's no doubt about it. I also got him a plane ticket. I sent a man to Delhi today, and we got the reservation. So he'll be leaving Vrndavana tomorrow morning at about 9:30, 9:00-9:30. So I told him that he should come and see you. He'll come in the morning to see you. He was... A couple of time you were sleeping today, so he could not come. Otherwise he was wanting to come.

Prabhupada: So you guide him with his...

Tamala Krsna: Oh, yes. I told him that you want me to help him in every way, and that there's no doubt we will do that in every way.

Prabhupada: So about that traveling?

Tamala Krsna: Travel expenses... I talked to him, and I explained to him that he's taken ten thousand rupees for traveling expenses and twenty-five thousand rupees books, thirty-five thousand rupees, and he's paid six thousand rupees in two years. I said, "This is not good business." So he said, "Then stop the traveling money." I said, "I'll stop it temporarily. You start paying some money, then again we can give you the money." I said, "We want to give you the money, but do some business first." So he said, "All right."

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Tamala Krsna: No, he's pretty pleased to get this big amount now for making this contract. This is a big amount that he got, half a lakh nearly. From this, he can make more profit, and then he'll pay it back by April, and then we'll give him nine thousand rupees free, donation. Each of them gets nine thousand rupees as per your original scheme. So they are being looked to nicely. Actually, there's no difficulty. They have very few expenses. [break]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give from here.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. It is convenient from here Srila Prabhupada?]

Kaviraja: om ya ausadhi purva jata devebhyo pura manai svatam dhama nisabda ca/ vasudeva sankarsana pradyumnasca aniruddhaka sarvan bhogan avaghanantu visnu narayano harih [Transl. was it warm? Give some more water.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It was bitter.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That's enough. That much water is okay. Give sugar candy water separately. Mouth is still bitter? It is bitter.]

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada? [Transl. Prabhupada drink something] [Little more.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Is it water?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No, this is sugar candy water. Should I give some more sugar candy water?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Plain water? Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From tomorrow you mix a big spoon full of honey with this so that it will not taste bitter.]

[Prabhupada drinks more medicine]

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give less water.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. So after fifteen, twenty minutes I will give him Horlicks?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. After half an hour.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, He is telling to give you some Horlicks after half an hour.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Did you go on parikrama today?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Very good.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Did you get the roots you went to bring?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Punarnava roots. You know Bhagatji, he said he will bring tomorrow.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. It was late at night so I could not...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I also thought so. Only Punarnava roots?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. And makoi.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh, Makoi. Makoi will be available.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. These two things we will give at noon and at night. With this I believe within one week the swelling will go down. Now your medicines will go on stage by stage.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Because, your body is such that even if takes a few days longer to heal, there is no hurry.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No.]

Bhakti caru: [Transl. What should be given in the morning?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. To him?]

Bhakti caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What do you give him?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. In the morning I give fruit juice. But today I gave Horlicks.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give him Horlicks in the morning.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I give with little milk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give with barley.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. With barley, okay. No milk at all.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Horlicks is milk only. What else?]

Bhakti caru: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Horlicks is milk. Today I have made that powder to be given along with the milk so that he will not have any gas or cough. Let us control these two things first. Mucus creates blockage in the lungs, and thus the lungs cannot breath oxygen properly. This is counted as weakness of the lungs. Lungs effect blood circulation all over the body eighteen times in a minute. It takes from the heart and gives to the heart eighteen times in a minute. His right lung is little weak. I have given medicine. I have given calcium. I think within twenty, twenty- five days, his lungs, position of his kidney, once the correct medicine is given, everything will improve and cure. Today I gave him medicine mixed with pearl which I brought with me. Had he not have kidney problem, I would have started Makara-dhvaja. Within three days he would have noticed the effect. Now I cannot give Makara-dhvaja because it will create heat in his stomach and the urine will stop. According to his condition if he passes urine 50cc today, tomorrow should be 60cc, day after tomorrow should be 70cc like that. That means that will show his kidney is functioning properly.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. When he passed urine today last at about 8.30, it was very thick. It was not clear.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. It was not clear. Color I think was yellow.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Color was yellow, but because it was thick it looked like whiteish like milk.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. The urine color will gradually become clear.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Clear.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, also as we start the ark the quantity of urine will increase. And as soon as the quantity of urine increases…]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. The swelling will reduce.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. … as I gave him medicine to get appetite, he will start eating, his liver will start functioning, his intestines will work and his kidney will fuction. Then everything will be alright. You give him one spoon of honey every day. It keeps the heart strong.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Can I give honey with the number one medicine?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, that you give with water. If he has problem then either water or sugar candy powder.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I have sugar candy water.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Mix with sugar candy powder and give the medicine.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see. Sugar candy powder and medicine together.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You have the decoction, you give that with the medicine number one.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. With medicine number two?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. With medicine number two you give punarna root juice and makoi. This you give at day time and at night you give ark.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. That means when I give the first medicine in the morning...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You give it with decoction. You can increase the quantity of decoction a bit. More than what you gave today.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. 250 grams water.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Water I have already put, medicines I am going to put now. You boil it in a clay pot tomorrow. Or you can boil it in this container also. Tomorrow you can order a clay pot. After boiling you let it cool down. Then you add honey. Honey should be used cool. Honey should never be heated. If somebody comes from the sunshine, you give him honey, he will immediately fall unconscious.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Honey and ghee are both nectar. In equal quantity it is poison.]

Tamala Krsna: Should the honey be old or new honey?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. How should the honey be? Fresh, or...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, fresh. Honey should be fresh and thin. Get a small bottle.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. The honey we are using now is from the jungles of Kumayun. Many herbs are available in that Himalayan range.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is very good. Maharaja, if you want you may take some Anise seeds. Your mouth must be bitter now. Is your mouth bitter?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Not so much.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. If you like take cardamom or anise seed. Anything you like you can take. Our great sages have used the best quality ingredients. For example, cow urine, if this is used in the best possible way it can cure liver cancer. It cures Jaundice, it reduced liver swelling and cures cough. The Pancagavya ghee that we use, that is the best medicine for brain. If somebody suffers from mental disorder, you give him two kilos of pancagavya ghee he will be cured. When one has pox and it becomes septic because of any reason you smear powder of dry cow dung cake, it will go away in three days. Cow dung is so powerful. Sometimes there might be pus in the kidney, which is a kind of disease, then we prescribe one masa of cow dung cake ash daily. And within ten days this medication takes out all the pus. No other medicine works in such a case. Cow, gifted by God is a very wonderful wealth. For honey you see, if you keep something in the fridge it will stay good for twenty-four hours, but if you keep it inside honey it will remain alright for six months. Honey is the best medicine for paralysis. It is also the best medicine to put on weight and to lose weight. If you take honey with water you will gain weight. And if you take it with milk you will lose weight. A person who daily takes ten grams of honey will never have any heart disease. It should be taken daily on an empty stomach.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see. I give him honey regularly.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. In Ayurveda for constipation we give medicine to be taken with honey and for loose motion we give medicine to be taken with honey. It will work in whichever direction you want to use it. Honey, ghee, oil, mercury, iron and silajit, any Vaidya can use these things in any medicine it will work.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. This sastra is simply...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Look, there is no sastra equal to Ayurveda. I consider Allopath as a child. I can still study Ayurveda for ten years if there is any competent person to teach me. It is a great and confidential science. Each and every medicine, if good quality medicine and if the patient takes it according to the direction, works wonderfully. There is no medicine like Ayurvedic medicine.]

Svarupa Damodara: [Transl. Is mercury poison?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. See, for one whose liver and kidney are not functioning properly, mercury is poison for him. It is not poison for everyone. In our Ayurveda, except kindney medicine, there is no medicine in which mercury is not used. Mercury is in every medicine except kidney patient. No matter how tired you are, if you sleep for two hours you will become totally fresh when you get up. That is natural.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. If one has sound sleep at night that is the best.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From tomorrow I will arrange for his sleep also. I will add Jatamansi in his decoction and he will have six hours of sound sleep.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Jatamansi.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, Jatamansi. Let him take rest.] [break]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You start to move around, that will be very nice. The swelling will go away, you start to eat and slowly gain some strength. Then I will take you with me.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I had a small bhapka. Which I sold to Sukha sancara company.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Small is also good. You can easily make four, five bottles in it.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. There is no problem to get a bhapka.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Then let us get one. Why bring? We soak the medicines tomorrow and prepare it day after tomorrow. That will be good and reliable.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I sold it to Sukha sancara Company. Small one. Bhapka.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. For how much water? 5 kilos?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, more.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Then it's good. That's how much we need ten, twelve bottles. Tomorrow we will find out from Sukha sancara Company. Is it in Mathura?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay.Tomorrow we will look for it. We will bring even if it costs some extra.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is available in the shop also.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Available, because it is made of copper it will be very costly. What is the use of spending two hundred rupees unnecessarily? We don't require it all the time. Tomorrow that Vaidyaji will come, I met him today. He is a nice person. I told him to come tomorrow morning. We were talking about bhapka to distill ark. Is it no? Otherwise we will distill here.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He may have one or he can arrange one. If he doesn't have of his own, then he can arrange one for us.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So tomorrow we will do like that and by day after romorrow we will have it.] [break]

[indistinct background talking among devotees]

Tamala Krsna: [offers obeisances] Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: I think whatever money you give Vrindavan for business, he'll spoil. He has already spoiled. They are getting, altogether, about two thousand rupees, even without any business-his mother one thousand, and they four, 250 each. So let them chant Hare Krsna and eat and sleep. That's all. He has already spoiled.

Tamala Krsna: Yes.

Prabhupada: You can call him; I shall tell him.

Tamala Krsna: I mean, that's also my opinion.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Tamala Krsna: I fully agree with you. The fact of the matter is, Srila Prabhupada, he has no head for business.

Prabhupada: No.

Tamala Krsna: Anything he does, he's going to lose the money.

Prabhupada: Yes, that's all.

Tamala Krsna: I know that also.

Prabhupada: And his assistant is looting him.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. He thinks this assistant is his greatest friend. Just like he's leaving on a plane. He's going to arrive Monday morning by eight o'clock in the morning, yet he feels he has to send a telegram to his assistant on a Sunday. I said, "What is the point of sending a telegram? The telegram will reach after you arrive. And even if it doesn't, what is the purpose of sending a telegram?"

Prabhupada: No, no, he has no business brain. He should not be given a farthing. That is my conclusion. And the postal, they should be given to the respective...

Tamala Krsna: As previously planned.

Prabhupada: Yes. You can call him. I shall tell him.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I'll just send someone. [whispers to devotee aside to get Vrindavan] Practically speaking, when I talk with him, with Vrindavan, I can only think in terms of a charity case, because when I talk to him about business, it's like talking to a young child. He doesn't grasp. I have to tell him the same thing ten times in a row. It's not that he doesn't understand English. He understands English quite all right. But he can't grasp simple business ideas. He's very... He just doesn't have it within him. They should be devotees.

Prabhupada: Yes. [end]