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Prabhupada: And they are all intelligent in sense gratification. Quite equal in intelligence, like the man. There is no scarcity of intelligence. Ahara-nidra-bhaya [Hitopadesa]. How to sleep, how to eat, how to enjoy sex, how to protect from danger-they know everything completely.

[break] ...he's trained up. And how to enjoy according to the body, place, that complete intelligence is there. Lord Brahma has got that intelligence, and the small insect, he has got.

And Krsna is giving everyone facility: "All right, enjoy." Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya [Bg 18.61]. Sarva-bhutani. Everyone is getting opportunity. According to his karma, he's getting a suitable body. You want to become Brahma? All right. And you become..., want to become a hog? All right. If you want to become worm in the stool, all right. This is going on.

And devotion begins when one does not want to become anything. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.1.11]. Then he likes. So when you desire, either you desire like a Brahma or the worm in the stool, that is material. And when you give up this desire, then spiritual life begins. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [Cc Madhya 19.167]. Sarvopadhi-vinirmuktam [Cc Madhya 19.170]. So to become anyabhilasita-sunyam, that is required. Who will understand this philosophy?

Tamala Krsna: Now with your books, the whole world may understand.

Prabhupada: Of course, we have made such attempt.

Tamala Krsna: People write that now they have got your books they are feeling actually alive for the first time. People write like that. They get so many letters, at the BBT, thanking them for giving these books. In all languages people are writing you like that. They feel grateful.

Prabhupada: Yes, I received directly such congratulations in the airport many times. Many times.

Tamala Krsna: People would come up to you.

Prabhupada: I think in Japan I have got. One European boy came. He came: "How you have got so much knowledge, sir?" [laughs] His inquiry was that. In Dum Dum Airport some gentleman came, Indian. The thing is, knowledge is there. It was not presented.

[pause] [aside:] He'll take one; you take one.

[break] Hmm? Krsna asked the gopis that "You can take your cloth, one after another. You have done a great fault. Naked, you are taking your bath. So just offer to the deity namaskara." [laughs] Chastised: "You are very naughty. Why you are doing like this? I tell you, this is for your good." So they did it. [pause] Gopijana-vallabha. [pause] Krsna's naughty activities... In every neighboring house they would come, Mother Yasoda, friends, and they'll repeat Krsna's naughty activities, and Mother Yasoda, stopping all household business, she would hear.

She would hear again. This is krsna-lila. How ordinary person will understand? "What is this? Spiritual life? A child's naughty activities, and they are hearing, and this is spiritual?" But Krsna has made easy salvation, that simply by hearing His naughty activities you'll be liberated. Who will understand this philosophy?

[aside:] Can you give me a little hot water with lemon?

Devotee (1): Hot drinking water?

Tamala Krsna: Hot water and lemon.

Prabhupada: No lemon. Lime. Lime.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Hot water and lime. Not lemon, lime. That acts like digestive. [break]

Prabhupada: ...ask the list.

Tamala Krsna: That list is being... Of your book distribution? Is that the list? He asked yesterday of a list of books distributed, the list I read.

Prabhupada: No, no, one list, for whom we want permanent residence. List of.

Tamala Krsna: Er, that Gopala has to compile.

Prabhupada: He'll never compile. He does not know.

Tamala Krsna: He's going to do that for sure. He thought that you didn't want him to compile it, because day before yesterday you had mentioned to Gopala, "For now don't give list. Simply say we have fifty persons." But Gopala wants to give a list.

Prabhupada: And they want it. Vajpayee wanted.

Tamala Krsna: Right, they want a list.

Prabhupada: Surendra Kumar told me.

Tamala Krsna: So Gopala, he's definitely going to do it. I mean, he told me he's doing that, that that's part of the application. He told me the different items. He will get their karmi names, spiritual names, passport number. He's aware of having to do it.

Prabhupada: In America there are many thousands of Indians, permanent resident.

Tamala Krsna: The thing is that at this point in America there is such a thing as permanent residency. It's a law. I mean there's a... But in India there's no such thing existing at this time.

Prabhupada: That I know, but...

Tamala Krsna: They have to create this. That is the difficulty. They have to...

Prabhupada: No, that means incompetent government.

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Incompetent government. America knows, "If there is a useful man, why should we not give?" I know in Montreal there was a black man... What is called? Consulate?

Devotee (1): We have no limes.

Tamala Krsna: Where's Bhakti-caru?

Devotee (1): [indistinct] go-down. We have lemons but no limes. Are lemons all right?

Prabhupada: What is that lemon?

Tamala Krsna: Lemon means like a light yellow, lemon.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes, lemon.

Tamala Krsna: Nimbu.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: In Ameri... The difference between a lemon and a lime is the lime is green-colored. Lemon is yellow-colored. But I think they act the same way.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Lime has a special flavor.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, it does have a special flavor. It's a nice flavor. In drinks people put lime.

Prabhupada: In Bengal a first eating hot rice with little ghee, salt and this lime flavor, it becomes so palatable, with smashed potato.

Tamala Krsna: Smashed...?

Prabhupada: Potato. With little chili. Oh, you can eat half the quantity of rice immediately.

Tamala Krsna: Sounds very nice.

Prabhupada: They do that, especially in villages.

[pause] [break] If I would have possessed the lands, money, I would have developed.

Devotee (1): Did you want honey with it?

Prabhupada: Who told you?

Devotee (1): Well, I didn't put it in yet.

Prabhupada: That's all right. What is that?

Devotee (1): This is a nimbu.

Prabhupada: Hot water?

Devotee (1): Yes.

Prabhupada: There is... [drinks]

[pause] [break] ...advertised here. Why thousands of Americans come here and did not inquire about Vivekananda?

Tamala Krsna: Vivekananda.

Prabhupada: They never inquire. Do they? Eh?

Devotee (1): No.

Prabhupada: Then what kind of preaching he has done? Nobody knows him. This common sense they haven't got. And here it is advertised, "Vivekananda has converted whole America into Vedantist." [laughs] And they take money for that.

[pause] Pradyumna may see me ten minutes a day. That will be simplified. He comes after week.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. I talked to him. I asked him, "Why don't you discuss your questions with Bhakti-prema Swami first? And then, if he cannot answer anything, then go ask Srila Prabhupada."

Prabhupada: That's all right. He may come during my massage time, daily ten minutes.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, because that hour in a row is too much, whenever he waits and waits. [pause] [end]