770626R1.VRN
770626R1.VRN
770626R1-Vrindavan [46:42 Minutes]
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Prabhupada: So keeping...
Surendra Kumar: Also that we will consider.
Prabhupada: ...Surendraji here, you make this application draft.
Prabhupada: So you go with him.
Surendra Kumar: Again, after he has been to Bombay, etcetera, we will meet him again. And let us put up this...
Prabhupada: So the application prepare in consultation, taking help and guidance. He is real devotee.
Prabhupada: Don't do alone. Don't do alone.
Surendra Kumar: I told him, first thing, that I am here because I am a Life Member and I am a devotee of Prabhupada. That's why I'm here.
Surendra Kumar: No, there is no question of my praising. One knows about in fact, his wonders may be...
Surendra Kumar: These people from Tehran... And my friend is a Muslim. He is very... He is just like my sister and my wife's very intimate friend. She said... She was there...
Prabhupada: We have no such question, "Hindu," "Muslim..."
Surendra Kumar: She said, "I'm going to become a devotee. I'm going to become a Life Member."
Surendra Kumar: No, from Aligarh. So when yesterday my wife said that "I am going to see Prabhupada," she said, "I am coming with you." And most welcome.
Mrs. Kumar: [Hindi]
Surendra Kumar: She was there when you were there at Aligarh, in my house.
Prabhupada: I have many Muslim disciples.
Surendra Kumar: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: Ramajana. Here he became... What is that? Mr. Rama-ranjana. Rama-ranjana.
Prabhupada: Our Attar Mia has become Atreya Rsi.
Mrs. Kumar: So she is my friend.
Surendra Kumar: She is inseparable to my wife, very great friend. And religion has never bothered us. She has been to [indistinct]. Yes. "After all, you are a good Muslim."
Prabhupada: You understand English?
Mrs. Kumar: Yes.
Surendra Kumar: Yes, yes, she is a graduate.
Surendra Kumar: And to mosques.
Surendra Kumar: No demand from God.
Surendra Kumar: I have been saying that. That's what I was telling her all the time, we were driving up.
Surendra Kumar: My sister says that "Unless and until God so wishes..."
Mrs. Kumar: How to leave this world?
Surendra Kumar: "...how to leave this material world?"
Prabhupada: She'll leave in material... Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo [Bg 18.66]: "I shall deliver you." God gives you that. God is protecting actually. And without God's protection, you cannot live. But still more if you absolutely depend on Him. This is our organization. Here also duty, depending on Krsna.
At least ten to fifteen thousand men we are feeding daily. So how it is being done throughout the whole world? And everywhere opulence like this. We are not poverty-stricken. [Transl. This you can see with your own eyes. Go to God if you have love.] So simply depending...
Surendra Kumar: [Transl. We don't actually have desire to go to God. We only want protection.] Unless we don't want to stay in the...
Prabhupada: No, no, this is not same. This is apara..., para. [laughter] This is para. Yato bhaktir adhoksaje. Ahaituky apratihata yenatma samprasidati. If you want real peace and happiness, then you have to come to this platform, paro dharma. Material means it has no limit: "I have got so much opulence. I want more. I want more. I want more. I want more." And paro dharma? Svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace [Cc Madhya 22.42]. "All right, I don't want anything." This is the... [Transl. Here there is no limit of demands, and there all demands are finished.]
Mrs. Kumar: [Transl. How will that happen? It is not happening. We want many things. What will we do?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. By practice it will happen. You have to practice. Who is not conditioned? See these Europeans and Americans.]
Mrs. Kumar: [Transl. I was telling him that look at these people, why can't we do it?]
Surendra Kumar: [Transl. She says our lives are condemned, because Svamiji's devotees are all from abroad and we, being here, cannot do any service.]
Surendra Kumar: Why are we not following Prabhupada when so many people have. We must do our duty to do. Because of our slavery, this righteousness and earnestness has gone out of our life. We are not earnest.
So this is the first time an attempt to distribute. [Transl. This is the duty of the Government. This is Indian culture. This is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.] Bharata-bhumite haila manusya-janma yara sarthaka . Tell everyone. It is special prerogative for the Indians, to distribute this knowledge. That will glorify India's position.
Surendra Kumar: This is what he was... Vajpayee was hinting at this very thing, that we want to use this organization for spreading our spiritual heritage all over the world. And he said this, that "I want to utilize your organization for this purpose." He went on to say that...
Prabhupada: So if the opportunity...
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Now the Government is showing interest.]
Surendra Kumar: For the first time you have a government which has thinking of this. Otherwise what do you mean by secularism? Secular does not mean...
Mrs Kumar: [Transl. Please a little bit of…]
Prabhupada: [Transl. What do you want?]
Mrs Kumar: [Transl. You are such a great personality, how blessed I am!]
Surendra Kumar: Your Divine Grace, it is our good fortune that we have such administrators...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Surendra Kumar: ...in which some of the people, Advani, for example, and Vajpayeeji. These two people are...
Prabhupada: What is the Advani? He is other...
Surendra Kumar: They write paper.
Surendra Kumar: Very nice. They have nothing about..., nothing of Jana-sangha. They have nothing of R.S.S. They have risen very high. They're now saying that this great country must get the rightful place in the world. Why, with all this spiritual heritage...
Prabhupada: And that should be done.
Surendra Kumar: ...with all this intellectual power, we should not be..., we should be with a begging bowl?
Prabhupada: And that is my mission.
Surendra Kumar: Yes, sir. That's what I'm saying, for the first time. Otherwise nobody would have appreciated in the last government. Who was the person to talk to...
Prabhupada: In the Berkeley University I was speaking. One Indian student got up, and he said, "Swamiji, what this Hare Krsna will do? Now we require technology," like that. [laughter] And "Yes, you have come here to beg technology. You remain beggar. I have come to give something."
Surendra Kumar: Correct, sir. Correct, sir.
Prabhupada: "I am not a beggar. I have come here to give something," I replied.
Surendra Kumar: Your Divine Grace was right. He wants the best of people.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is....
Surendra Kumar: Whom you want to call...
Prabhupada: So you make everything complete today. You busy man...
Surendra Kumar: No, it is not necessary to make today. Let him have your full instructions, who are the people...
Prabhupada: [Transl. You are a very busy man. Since you are present here today, let us have it prepared.]
Prabhupada: Take every step, this inquiry. He's experienced.
Surendra Kumar: And, sir, it is very necessary to mention: I will write what Prabhupada wants that "These people should be given..."
Prabhupada: The simple thing is that they are...
Surendra Kumar: "...to get Indian citizenship because they are doing this work. They will be doing this work. They will be doing this work. And their long-time stay, permanent stay in India, will be beneficial for the great work that you have started."
Prabhupada: And actually, because they are helping me, I have been able...
Surendra Kumar: They have been giving you help.
Prabhupada: No, I mean to say, these Europeans...
Surendra Kumar: Yes, yes, I know, disciples, they are...
Prabhupada: Otherwise how could I do?
Surendra Kumar: Sir, Your Divine Grace, to be very honest, I told him in his presence that "You know that we Indians are not honest and earnest about anything. If these people have given up their life there and they are devoting their life and dedicated their life, let us utilize them so that we can have hard-core of..."
Prabhupada: Where is Tamala? That boy? That black boy? What is his name?
Prabhupada: Ghanasyama. About his activities.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes, it is very interesting, how they are fighting against odds to introduce our movement. There is a written description.
Surendra Kumar: Oh, yes, I... Quite right.
Dr. Kapoor: Ghanasyama came here last year.
Surendra Kumar: I told him that "These people will form the hard core, and that our organization will be organized, and then..." He also said that so many temples are dying out.
Dr Kapoor: [Transl. He used to say that again and again.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. They put up Deities and ask visitors to donate in the name of God. That's all. And with the income get the son married, get the daughter married, and enjoy life. So my Guru Maharaja used to say that the Municipal sweeper, you rather take up that profession for your livelihood, but don't do like that. This is going on everywhere.] Thakura has become a source of income.
Surendra Kumar: I told him, "We are ready to take over the temples and run away from." But, as Prabhupada rightly said, everybody has become now has made it an institution for...
Prabhupada: For earning money.
Surendra Kumar: ...for material advancement.
Prabhupada: As we have got...
Dr. Kapoor: No, I tell you, there are people... You see, if you tell them that "Come on, we shall spend a lakh or two lakhs of rupees on this temple. Are you agreeable?" they will say, "No." I have that experience. I have that experience, you see. Why? Because you see if a temple is not in good condition, they go out, meet people and say, "Look here, this is the condition of the temple. Could you not donate something?"
Dr. Kapoor: It's a regular source of business for them, you see. And if the temple is renovated, that source will stop. That source will stop. It is in their interest that the temple may never..., is never renovated, so that...
Surendra Kumar: They can continuously beg over.
Dr. Kapoor: Continuously beg.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Tamala Krsna: "Dear Srila Prabhupada..." This is a black devotee. "Please forgive me for my countless offenses against you and the entire Vaisnava community. In desperation I beg that you accept my apology for being such an artificial devotee. My humble obeisances I quickly offer to you. I am simply praying every day for you to force me to become a true disciple. Otherwise I will be doomed."
Prabhupada: How humble he is!
Prabhupada: He was a principal somewhere?
Tamala Krsna: This boy was the top of his class in Yale University. He's the president of the class, top man in the entire graduating class. Says, "Spiritual life means to please the Gurudeva, to capture his mercy. Therefore I have offered this report to you about the first half of the work thus far done in Communist Yugoslavia. Knowing that you are very eager to know about the activities in the Communist communities, I submit this report for your pleasure and encouragement. In Yugoslavia everywhere you see soldiers, and even the people, while not in uniform, have the air of soldiers. They are in general very concerned with discipline, allegiance and physical fitness. In any downtown, at 4:30 in the morning, the streets are crowded as people by the hundreds are marching to work. Sometimes you see children in little mobs, chanting in the streets slogans of loyalty to Tito. In all of the classrooms in the universities there are big pictures of Tito staring at you as soon as you come in the room. Sometimes my life is being threatened or sought after by the authorities. Still..."
Prabhupada: It is very dangerous work.
Tamala Krsna: "Still Lord Caitanya always gives me protection. The people who like our books are more appreciative than most people I have seen thus far, because they find your books to be very unique. Your books are not only a direct connection with the West for them, but also an active expression of many of their dormant desires. In almost every case, the books sell themselves.
"At the University of Belgrade. This is the capital city and the largest university in Yugoslavia. With full confidence in the power of the holy name, we attacked this university first. We bombed at their arteries. In these universities the bookshops are the entities supplying foreign books to everyone. They are the life-force supporting the university. Of the four international bookshops, they all took both standing orders of all the Srimad-Bhagavatams and Caitanya-caritamrtas immediately, and one other shop also wanted books but wanted to wait to see which and how many copies their customers would demand. At one bookshop the manager was so pleased he requested a standing order of all of your books for his personal library also. At another bookshop they found our books so beautiful that three of the top employees, including the director, got into a group, staring at the books for over one half hour, passing them back and forth in complete amazement. One lady never looked up for the whole time, but kept reading and examining the Bhagavatam. The Institute of Sociology and Philosophy called in a specialist to deliberate on your books, and unanimously they agreed to buy the standing orders for the Institute. Some of them later asked for individual books for themselves. One professor of Ethnology, acting like a magnet, attracted all necessary persons, getting them together so that they could buy the standing orders for the Ethnology Library. The eagerness of the professors here to have your books is epitomised by one professor of English, who I offered the books to. When she discovered that she could buy the Bhagavad-gita from our company, she held tenaciously to my sample copy, dashed in her room to borrow money from a friend, practically throwing the money at me and then closing the door quickly, keeping my sample copy. [laughter] I was very happily bewildered, knowing that she would get an immediate opportunity to associate with the Absolute Truth. Therefore I packed my bag and headed for my next battlefield.
"On the way to the next university I stopped at one small language school. Here I met one professor who taught Sanskrit. He was very pleasant but rather old. He very enthusiastically wanted the Srimad-Bhagavatam standing order. I was so amazed because I thought this enthusiasm of his was so intense that it may take the old man's life at any moment. Surely he was getting a supreme benediction.
"At the Universtity of Skopje, in complete bewilderment, not being able to find anyone who could speak English or any information center, I simply wandered around the university waiting for Lord Caitanya to make some facility available for me. I drifted in one room seeking information, to find that I was in the Philosophy Library. So I spontaneously tried to sell them your books. As happens many times, it is impossible to find someone who speaks English, so you pass through many persons to find one who just superficially understands you. Or sometimes you must speak with several at once, and collectively you can communicate. Here I spoke with four persons who understood each other. We understood each other very little. Sometimes I spoke in English, and sometimes I spoke in French. However, the most important thing we all understood was that they wanted the books, so I sold them both standing orders of all of your books. I stumbled next into the department for English. They gave me a seat, and the professors refused to let me get up for several hours, until they all bought the books they desired. The first teacher told me that these kind of literatures had great universal truths. Such comments, coming from a Communist person, needless to say was quite pleasing to hear. She demanded both standing orders for herself. She told me before I left the department that she had been contemplating reading some Eastern philosophy; now her desires were fulfilled. She called one of her colleagues, who rushed down to meet me, who also bought all of the books. He is a philosopher and teaches Eastern philosophy. He ordered our books to employ in his classroom as textbooks. Just as I was about to get up, another group of professors dashed over to me. This time the chief and most respected professor of the entire Institution pushed his way over to see what was going on. When he saw what I had..., when he saw all of your books, he overpowered the conversation with wanting everything for himself. He had to rush off for an examination, but not before buying the Caitanya-caritamrta standing order and some small books also, for his own study. Also, he had previously been reading a Gita and was delighted to buy our Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Observing the whole time, the English librarian joined me after everyone had left. He wanted both standing orders for the English library, and then he agreed to buy both standing orders for himself also. By this time I was drowning in order forms for standing orders. I swept all of my orders together, put them in my briefcase, and later had to literally run out of the university because of envious officials who were pursuing me to arrest me. [laughter] This running simply allowed me to reach my next university that much quicker.
"At the University of Novisat, at this university I felt completely helpless. I could not find any professors in their offices. I waited and waited during the course of the day. I met only four professors, but three of them bought books. One professor of Linguistics, who was the only professor on his floor, bought a standing order of Srimad-Bhagavatams. Another professor of Literature already had your Bhagavatams and he bought another book. Then I went to visit a dean of the college. She was completely overwhelmed. Not only did she buy both standing orders for herself, but she wanted to buy them for the Institution and the University Library as well. She personally put on her coat and marched with me into the librarian's office. When we got there, she sat me down and she sold your books to the librarian. I simply handed her the order form, showing her where it should be signed, and she did all of the speaking. How amazing-a deserted school in a Communist country, but still, by your mercy, so many books were sold.
"Then at the University of Zagreb. It is the only univesity in Yugoslavia with a special program for Indology. I met the professor who held the chair for Indology. She had been waiting for your books for some time-that is, many lifetimes. She bought the standing orders and several other books, and then she wrote me a very nice note asking the bookshop to buy every single book you have published. She was pleased that your books were for everyone-scholar and layman. I explained to her how only you were writing books for all of mankind. This was the high point-selling your books to one of the most important contacts in the whole of Yugoslavia. To my surprise, this was only a beginning. At the end of the day, the Psychology Institute bought a Srimad-Bhagavatam standing order, the Academy of Arts and Sciences, a very scholarly faculty, bought both standing orders of Bhagavatams and Caitanya-caritamrtas. The Ethnology Museum bought both standing orders, and of great significance, the Theology Seminary, which is a college of its own, bought the Srimad-Bhagavatam standing order.
"This is appearing to be one of the biggest fields of all the countries, and it is only one-half finished. Just yesterday I walked into the National University Library of Ljubljana and came out with two strong standing orders and recommendations from the librarian asking other neighboring libraries to also buy your books. Surely this is all happening by your mercy. It is your mercy which is for all mankind. I remain, begging for that mercy, your fallen servant, Ghanasyama dasa brahmacari."
Surendra Kumar: Wonderful.
Prabhupada: What is the news?
Surendra Kumar: Is he permanently staying there?
Surendra Kumar: Because I know two very powerful Indians who have settled there.
Prabhupada: The sales report, book report.
Surendra Kumar: Actually, what you are doing nobody else has been doing in the past.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Surendra Kumar: Everybody is aware of our great heritage except ourselves. That is the most unfortunate thing.
Prabhupada: The sales report, what is?
Tamala Krsna: This is a sales report we just received. It's as of March 6, 1977. It reports the book sales in each language up to date. In the English language so far, 434 lakhs 50,000 editions of the books. That's copies of books. In Spanish, 29 lakhs 47,000 copies. German: 21 lakhs 25,000 copies. Then Japanese, 21 lakhs 25,000 copies in print. French: 16 lakhs 70,000 copies. Portuguese, 8 lakhs 35,000 copies. Dutch, 5 lakhs 93,000 copies. Italian, 4 lakhs 48,000 copies. Hindi, 4 lakhs 25,000 copies. Bengali, 3 lakhs 5,000 copies. Telugu, 1 lakh 15,000. Swahili 1 lakh 10,000 copies. Gujarati, 1 lakh. Chinese, 55,000 copies. Marathi, 50,000 copies. Korean, 20,000 copies. Yugoslavian, 20,000 copies. Oriya, 20,000 copies. Polish, 10,000 copies. Hungarian, 10,000 copies. Czechoslovakian, 10,000 copies, and Russian, 5,000 copies. Total, 553 lakhs 14,000 books printed.
Surendra Kumar: Can I have a copy of this?
Surendra Kumar: Your Divine Grace, when I will write the personal letter to Atal Bihariji and I will talk to go ahead…
Prabhupada: Give him whatever he wants.
Surendra Kumar: He has stayed with me for one night and one day. I want to have a personal talk with him and Golwalkarji and everybody who has been staying with me. [Transl. Hardekar, Golwalkarji, he is Gurudeva of these people-RSS. Golwalkarji,] he was staying in my house. [Hardekar], his guru was staying in my house. [Atal Bihariji] stayed for one night in my house again when he came again on election campaign in 1971. Now I know these people don't remember...
Prabhupada: Whatever you want, you take.
Surendra Kumar: What I want to [indistinct], "You have been giving the Jnanapitha award to this man because so many books of his are being... Here is a man, Indian, whose 400 and..." How, many? Six hundred?
Surendra Kumar: "550 lakhs of books have been sold. Not a single Indian born up to, from..."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Surendra Kumar: "...who has written and whose so many copies have been sold throughout the world. What are you doing if you can't help this organization?" Because there must be facts...
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Surendra Kumar: And the facts must be so brought out, and that will make a new impact on his mind. That must be done. I told him, "You are awarding man whose two lakhs of books were sold, three lakhs of books. Here is a person, crores of books have been sold. And we should cultivate him as a friend, cultivate him as a leader."
Prabhupada: Whatever materials he wants, give him.
Prabhupada: He went to show into foreign language, foreign religion, Caitanya-caritamrta. Just see. [laughs] Standing order they give. [Transl. All of us together] This Indian culture, push on. Don't keep it lock up.
Surendra Kumar: Under your guidance...
Surendra Kumar: Prabhupada, this man, this literature he understands. He himself composes poetry in Urdu as well as in Hindi. And he likes that our Indian culture and our heritage must be spread all over.
Prabhupada: So here is the opportunity. Come and join together.
Surendra Kumar: He is fond of these things.
Prabhupada: And we have got standard. We haven't got to manufacture.
Surendra Kumar: No, there is nothing to manufacture.
Prabhupada: No, not... Everything is there. Everything is there.
Surendra Kumar: So only these things have to be brought to his knowledge.
Prabhupada: That's all.
Surendra Kumar: I am a person. I am a devotee. I did not get all this information because the book, that journal that you publish. That also we do not get such data.
Prabhupada: And the Supreme Person is delivering Himself as Krsna and Veda-vyasa. Veda-vyasa is incarnation of Krsna. So Krsna is..., mattah parataram nanyat [Bg 7.7], the supreme man, Supreme Being. He is giving the knowledge, and we have to, simply have to... Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission is just distribute what the Supreme Person has given to you. Yare dekha tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa [Cc Madhya 7.128]. So you haven't got to manufacture. You haven't got to become a scholar.
Prabhupada: That's all right. This is very easy. So I am not a scholar. I am simply... Whatever is said there, I am trying to distribute in a palatable way. That's all. It is not my manufacture. And that is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... Amara ajnaya guru hana tara ei desa [Cc Madhya 7.128]. You all become guru. "How can I become guru? I have no education. I have no knowledge." No, you haven't got to acquire all these things. That is already... Yare dekha tare kaha. Finished. So I never tried to become a scholar. But I tried, whatever is spoken by Krsna, deliver. That's all. And that is guru. If some...
Prabhupada: Eh? No...
Surendra Kumar: Talking too much with Your Divine Grace, we have put you through lot of strain.
Prabhupada: [Transl. His room is arranged?]
Surendra Kumar: Everything is your mercy, Divine Grace.
Prabhupada: [Transl. It's very kind of you that you visited us. To Mrs Kumar: He is a good devotee. Serve him nicely.]
Mrs Kumar: [Transl. I am unable to do.]
[Mr. and Mrs. Kumar leave.]
Dr Kapoor: [Transl. Are you getting some treatment?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Nothing. Only Lord's mercy. How disgusting!]
Dr Kapoor: [Transl. Han?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. How disgusting is this? All experiments are going on.]
Dr Kapoor: [Transl. Take some Homeopathic medicine. What is the harm?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I have no objection. But I have lost faith in Homeopathic medicines. Like water. I do trust in medical treatment and they are effective, but they simply make experiments. Therefore whatever the Lord wishes.]
Dr Kapoor: [Transl. How is your apetite now?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. It is same like before.]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. You look very weak this time. I thought you were in Bombay. I wrote a letter to you about one or one and half months ago. Did you receive it?]
Prabhupada: Bombay. How long we have left Bombay?
Prabhupada: [Transl. That Shriman Narayana, Congress Party member, Governor, he] recommended that... What is that?
Prabhupada: [Transl. ..go to Rishikesh. So I went to Rishikesh. There I had a good accommodation. But there also my health didn't improve.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. That's why I said- let me go to Vrndavana for living and dying there are the same thing. If I live here, it's good..]
Dr. Kapoor: Going and coming, you see, that gives him a lot of strain.
Dr. Kapoor: Mentally as well as physically.
Prabhupada: Yes. I am feeling... [Transl. If I die, good and if I live, good. Maro va jivo va.]
Dr. Kapoor: You have fulfilled the mission of your life. I think you, if at all you pass away, you'll pass with that satisfaction which...
Prabhupada: [Transl. Did you see the] gurukula building?
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Han?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Gurukula.]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Yes, from outside.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. No, from inside?]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. I haven't seen from inside.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. See it.]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. I will have a look.]
Prabhupada: Very beautiful, very... Very exalted building.
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Did you receive my book?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I got it.] You got it here or at Bombay? Where we got that, that...?
Dr. Kapoor: My book?
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. I have knowingly subtitled it like that] ...philosophical background of the Hare Krsna movement, so that people may know that this is not a new religion. It's well founded. I've traced the history, the development of Vaisnavism, earliest Vedic period to the present. [Transl. I think you have won that case?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. We gloriously won. They accepted that] "The Hare Krsna movement is genuine, bona fide." [Transl. We can show the judgment.] You can show him.
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Later I can see.]
Prabhupada: So you are ready?
Prabhupada: [Transl. See, even in Communist countries we are being victorious.]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Being victorious. I think the right time to meet you is after 10 o clock?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. About 9 or 9:30]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. 9:30]
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Prabhupada: Not gives. He expands Him...
Prabhupada: No, what other books? Rubbish. I say rubbish. There is no book. Mental speculation is not book. Garbage.
Prabhupada: [laughs] Yes. It is garbage. Tad-vaga-visarga-janata..., pragrnita, tad vayasa-tirtham: "Garbage for the crows." Yes. No swan will come there. That is already explained. Krsna has at least saved us from reading this garbage. We are not interested with any book or newspaper or anything. We kicked out. At least I am not interested in reading any other except Bhagavata. That is there. Punah punas carvi... [SB 7.5.30]. Sex literature, nonsense. "Phu!" Mukha-vikarah bhava... Tad-avadhi bata nari-saṅgame smaryamane bhavati mukha-vikarah susthu nisthivanam. This is the real... Hmm. Let us go to the...
Prabhupada: You open the door and close. And keep open. Why it is...
[break] They will close the closet, and I'll open the closet and go on, open and go on. Why? Bad. Very bad.
[break] There is a agent preparing the stolen papers. [?] [indistinct]
Prabhupada: And well done, to the next [indistinct]. What I have got? In the Deity room silver stand, silver lamp, silver plate. I do not find this. [break] ...is known there.
Prabhupada: Not new. [laughs] You see new. They are all existing.
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