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Prabhupada: That Powai Ashram?
Indian man (2): Tirtha Swami.
Prabhupada: Now people are taking our philosophy. So your mission also, preach in the same way. People will be benefited. The whole world is taking Bhagavad-gita as it is. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Aham adir hi devanam [Bg 10.2]. Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti... [Bg 7.7]. Preach this. People will take it. This knowledge is there in India, and they require to be educated with this knowledge. And we have tried little bit, and they are accepting. Why don't you do that? They have taken. I said, "Here is Krsna, the Supreme Lord. You worship Him." Krsna says, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam. [Bg 9.34]
Indian man (2): Excuse me. I could not follow.
Prabhupada: Why don't you teach as Krsna wants? It is a plain word. Why you are teaching something else?
Indian man (2): Hare Krsna says you have to teach.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Indian man (2): You have to teach, Hare Krsna says. We have to follow all this...
Prabhupada: So how many krsna-bhaktas you have got? You see thousands. What you are teaching?
Indian man (1): Swamiji, our mission is to...
Indian man (3): We are here to take His message only.
Prabhupada: But who is taking your message? It is not effective. But here you see, they have taken message. They have dedicated their life for Krsna. You could not do so. The message must be effective. Otherwise, simply talking, what is the benefit?
Indian man (3): Swamiji, excuse me. I don't see any difference between the person to person.
Prabhupada: There is difference. Cat and dog, there is difference. An intelligent man and a rascal is difference. There must be difference. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg 4.13]. How you say there is no difference? A brahmana is brahmana. A ksatriya is ksatriya. Vaisya is vaisya. That is real understanding. If you say, "Everyone is brahmana," that's not good.
Indian man (3): But we have been told to see only one consciousness, one life, between indi...
Prabhupada: That oneness is on the spiritual platform. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kaṅksati, samah sarvesu [Bg 18.54]. That is another thing. But so long you have got a bodily concept of life, you must divide: catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg 4.13]. That is wanted. Just like in my body there is division. There is head. There is hand. There is leg. There is belly. So they have got different activities. The head is important. If you cut the head, then whole thing is finished.
Indian man (3): We need the substratum because of which we identify with the processes.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Indian man (3): We need the substratum because of which we see the differences.
Prabhupada: Difference is there in your body. Do you think the head and the leg the same thing?
Indian man (3): But certain occupation...
Prabhupada: No, no, I mean to say that you have to take work from the head and from the leg, but head and leg different. Sva-karmana tam abhyarcya [Bg 18.46]. That is science. If you want to take the work of head from the leg, that is foolishness. Head must remain head, leg must remain leg, but you take the work of leg for walking; you take the work of the brain for thinking. That is wanted. Evasive is no good. So anyway, our mission is that Indians especially, they should take advantage of Bhagavad-gita-not by distorting the meaning. As it is. You cannot distort the statement of Bhagavad-gita. Then you defy the authority of Bhagavad-gita. You manufacture your own way. That is very bad. Then there is no authority. Sarvam etad rtam manye yad vadasi kesava [Bg 10.14].
As Arjuna... "Whatever You say, I have accepted." That is the need, not that "I am very learned scholar; I can change the meaning." That is not good. You are not greater authority than Krsna. Thinking like that is foolishness. Krsna is authority. All the acaryas-Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu-they have all accepted krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. How you can speak something else what, against what, the instruction of Krsna?
Indian man (3): What is the means by which we know what Gita says to us, Swamiji?
Indian man (3): But there must be some means that you can adopt...
Prabhupada: No, no. Do you know what Gita says? Do you know it? What Gita says, do you know it? You do not know?
Prabhupada: Nobody knows! You do not know. We know. Why do you say, "Nobody knows"? You do not know. It is open secret. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam... [Bg 18.66]. You do not know. But don't say that "Nobody knows." That is wrong impression. We know. You are blind. You do not like to know it. Everyone should know. What is the difficulty?
Indian man (3): No, Swamiji, I mean...
Prabhupada: No, I do not know what you mean. But you say, "Nobody knows." That is a wrong impression. Everyone knows. You do not know. That is my...
Indian man (2): Swamiji, we have been taught like this and, in fact, now we are convinced on that point. We are convinced.
Indian man (3): Differences in meaning...
Indian man (4): Swamiji, how do we know that the meaning is distorted?
Prabhupada: Eh?
Indian man (4): How do we know that the meaning is distorted?
Prabhupada: Because you do not worship Krsna.
Indian man (4): Swami?
Prabhupada: Because you do not worship Krsna. It is plain fact. But we worship Krsna. In every temple, all over the world, 102 temples, we worship Krsna. But you don't worship Krsna.
Indian man (3): No, we worship all gods, Swamiji, irrespective of...
Indian man (3): Swamiji, we are interested in...
Indian man (2): I think...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Indian man (3): Excuse me, Swamiji. We are interested in that one meaning which is the essence of the Indian culture. If we are wrong, we are ready to correct ourselves.
Indian man (3): No, Swamiji...
Prabhupada: At least you do not understand.
Indian man (3): Please forgive me if I have given a wrong...
Prabhupada: At least you do not understand. That's all.
Prabhupada: Everyone. What is the difficulty? But you understand in a different way. It is simple thing. Everyone understands. This is expected. But you understand in different way. That is the difficulty. You create your own meaning.
Indian man (3): I request, Swamiji, on what basis we can say that it is a different meaning or distorted meaning and not the meaning which the Gita says...?
Prabhupada: Because you say that nobody knows. You say. And whatever meaning, that is in your mind, but you said nobody knows.
Indian man (5): No, that is quite mistaken talk.
Prabhupada: That mistake... Then what can I talk? It is mistake.
Indian man (3): I said nobody knows until he knows.
Prabhupada: So if one does not want to know, how he'll know?
Indian man (5): Whatever Swamiji says, that...
Prabhupada: That... That means you become student; hear me and you'll learn it. It is not the one minute's business.
Indian man (5): Somehow you can give some that, advice from you. But whatever...
Indian man (5): No, you don't have time.
Prabhupada: No, I have got time. So that's all right. You have to... You have to learn it.
Indian man (3): Swamiji, you bless all of us in such a way that we will not...
Prabhupada: You have come. You are welcome here and take the blessings. But you won't come. When I say, "Come here and take the blessings," you won't come. What can I do? If one has fallen in the blind well-"Please get me up! Get me up!"-so I give him a rope: "Yes, catch it. I'll get you..." "No, no, I shall not catch." Without catching, there is no... So if you want to learn, come here. Stay. We shall teach you. That you won't do. Then how can I teach you? You learn from them. Just see these European and Americans, how they are... You have to learn from them by their behavior. These are American boys. Just see how they have tilaka, how they...
Indian man (3): No, Swamiji, we know Swamiji's tremendous work going on around the world.
Prabhupada: So if I can teach them, who did not know what is Krsna, I cannot teach you? I can teach you. But you won't take the teaching. That is the difficulty. Stubborn. That is the difficulty.
Indian man (1): Swamiji, we have thrown ourself on his lap, Swamiji. There is some divine is there. We have thrown ourselves, performed everything. We have left our home, everything.
Prabhupada: But what for?
Indian man (1): And he's our bread, and he's our... He'll look after us. That's all.
Indian man (1): Everything is our prarabdha.
Indian man (3): If Swamiji forgives me, I don't see... I have read Swamiji's...
Prabhupada: That is your blindness. You do not see the...
Indian man (3): Accha... It is not a name, sir.
Indian man (6): Are we not catching only names and forms?
Prabhupada: You can do anything nonsense. Who cares for you? The sastra is there.
You do not know.
Indian man (1): Swamiji, can't...
Prabhupada: No, don't waste my time.
Indian man (5): Swamiji, we have not come to waste. We have come here to take only your blessings.
Prabhupada: That's all. I cannot... I cannot waste my time in this way. We have got our sastras. We are following them. That's all. If you want, you learn here. Otherwise do your whatever you like. Let us alone. We have no difficulty. We are triumphant all over the world. That's all. Phalena pariciyate. We have to see by the result, not by talking. So thank you very much for your coming. Give them pra...
Indian man (5): So please bless us.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. But if you are interested, you are welcome.
Indian man (3): Yes, Swamiji.
Indian man (6): When door is kept open, it is...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man (6): ...very natural to come to you, Swamiji.
Prabhupada: Jaya.
Indian man (1): Really, Swamiji, bless [indistinct].
[guests leave]
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: Yes, it is all right.
Prabhupada: Distorting meaning.
Prabhupada: They have come from Hawaii?
Prabhupada: Oh, oh, that Hawaii program.
Tamala Krsna: Two of them are disciples of Shivananda Ashram in Rishikesh, and three of them are from Swami Chin... They're Swami Chinmayananda's disciples. Swami Chinmayananda has this program. He advertises for getting young men. Now they're the second batch. They study different Vedas and Upanisads. [end].
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