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Indian man: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: I have got a sister. She is three years younger than me. So sometimes I chastise her like anything, because we have the same feeling. She is younger. Seventy-seven years, younger sister. But the feeling is there, younger. You know I sometimes chastise her.

Indian man: Here the feeling is about... We can do more work. It doesn't depend upon the age. In spite of this age we can do as much work as you want. This is what I wanted to emphasize here.

Prabhupada: Because the soul is not dependent on the body. Asaṅgo 'yam purusah. If the soul has got energy, he doesn't care for the body.

Indian man: I have talked with some brahmanas here about the work that is being done here. They say, "We can't do this type of work. We can do puja, sandhya. We can do kirtana for some time during the day, but not the whole day. Not whole day. Because we have to feed ourselves also and run from place to place. These days people are not giving us as much charity as they should."

Prabhupada: They can live here and...

Indian man: So that is what our people...

Prabhupada: They can eat here. There is no insufficiency. Simply come and manage and eat, as many men as you come here. We shall bring everything. There is no scarcity of food here. Everyone is welcome to engage his full time for Krsna's service. I am begging from the whole world, so there will be no scarcity. If somebody refuses, other will [indistinct]. My field is the whole world, and I am a professional beggar. That's all.

Indian man: One feeling I have I must express before you, otherwise whom can I express those feelings? The books are very costly. They are very good, but very costly.

Harikesa: What's that?

Indian man: Books. They are very costly for Indians who are very poor.

Prabhupada: When you are here, you can read all the books.

Indian man: I personally can do this, sir, by coming here. But people would like to purchase these books, but they are very costly. If they can be printed in India, or...

Harikesa: We're working on printing them in cheaper editions in India.

Indian man: That would be wonderful.

Prabhupada: Yes, we are trying for that.

Basu Ghosh: Already this Bhagavatam, First Volume, has been printed in Delhi. It's about three times less cost.

Prabhupada: So you are not getting that book?

Basu Ghosh: No, in Hyderabad we haven't gotten that yet.

Prabhupada: Why?

Basu Ghosh: I don't know. I'm not in a management position. Mahamsa Maharaja is ordering.

Prabhupada: Get this cheap edition. You can order cheap edition. [break]

[pandita chants Sri Isopanisad and Gayatri. Prabhupada speaks in Hindi, quoting Sanskrit slokas.] [break]

Pandita:

yo 'sav asau purusah so 'ham asmi
Om santih santih santih.

om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam bhargo
devasya dhimahi dhiyo yo nah pracodayat.
[repeats each word 5/6 times.]
Om santih santih santih.

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is said in the Bhagavad-gita that the living entities, mamaivamso jiva-bhuta jiva-loke sanatanah, [Bg 15.7] the jiva, jivatma, are part and partcels of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and are eternal. The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living entities are also eternal. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam [Katha Upanisad 2.2.13]

[Transl. The living entities are eternal and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is also eternal. But the Supreme Lord prominently eternal. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living entities are also cognizant. The living entity has a form and the Supreme Lord also has a form. Nirakara, the Supreme Lord's body is not material, not material form. The living entities, in their conditioned state, receive material forms. So the Vedic instruction is to revive the spiritual form by giving up the material form and that is called liberation.

[Transl. That is liberation. This present condition is not our constitutional position. We have to give up this body. Bhutva bhutva praliyate. [Bg 8.19] We give up one body and accept another body. Tatha dehantara-praptir. [Bg 2.13] We are in this condition at present. Therefore the mission of the Supreme Lord is yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata .… [Bg 4.7]

[Transl. When the spirit soul becomes attached to this material body, and so long he will remain attached to this body he will have to accept another material body. Karmanu bandha: conditioned by karma. To become attached to the body means karmanubandha. That I will work hard to earn money and be happy here is called karmanubandha. And till that you have to go on accepting bodies. Therefore it is stated in the Srimad Bhagavatam nunam pramattah kurute vikarma. [SB 5.5.4]

[Transl. Being mad people engage in sinful activities. They do not discriminate between sin and piety. Just bring money by hook or by crook. They become mad and blind to collect money. Why? Yadindriya pritaye aprnoti. Only for sense gratification. Nothing else. There is no other purpose. That is also a kind of atheism. Sage Carvaka said rnam krtva ghrtam pibet yavaj jivet sukham jivet. Enjoy life to the fullest extent. But I have no money. Rnam krtva, borrow from others and enjoy. But by borrowing I will have to pay back. O you, who cares? bhasmi-bhutasya dehasya kutah punar agamano bhavet.

[Transl. This philosophy is going on. There is no consideration of impiety or piety. In English they say "Beg, borrow, steal." Either you beg, or you borrow, or you steal. Somehow or other bring money. There are three ways. One who cannot earn money genuinely, for him these three ways are there. Cheat others -give me five hundred rupees I will return you tomorrow and never return. These considerations are, according to the sastra, simply madness. nunam pramattah kurute vikarma.

[Transl. This should not be done. Karmanubandha. nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB 5.5.4] Only for sense gratification. Sense gratification is available even to the hogs and dogs. Therefore sastra has forbidden that this human form of life is not meant for sense gratification like the hogs and dogs. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye [SB 5.5.1]

[Transl. Vid-bhujam, the stool eating hog also works hard whole day just to eat. And when it is little fat and strong it starts to enjoy sex no matter if the opposite sex is mother or sister. Nothing. This is the business of the hog. Just to enjoy sense gratification… Therefore the sastra prohibits nayam deha, this body, the dog has got a body, the ass has got a body, the hog has got a body, everyone gets a body, material body. So long the spirit soul wants to enjoy sense gratification in the material world, he is awarded a suitable body according to his karma. And in each body he is provided facility for enjoyment. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. [SB 11.9.29]

[Transl. Sense gratification-eating, sleeping, mating, and arranging something to defend oneself, is available to dogs, hogs, human beings, birds and everyone else according to their respective deeds. Therefore that is not the duty of the human beings. Just to enjoy sense gratification, and to do that somehow or other earn money is not at all proper. Then what is the duty of the human being? Tapo divyam. Perform austerity. Why undergo austerity? Enjoy life. Why austerity? Tapo divyam yena suddhyed sattvam. By performing tapasya your existence, material existence will be purified. And when your existence becomes purified then you will feel spiritual bliss which will never end. Aren't we running after pleasure? The flickering happiness of this world is always temporary. But if you undergo tapasya then by that tapasya you will revive your spiritual body. You already have a spiritual body, but it is now covered. Just like this body is covered by a shirt. Vasamsi jirnani [Bg 2.22]

[Transl. When the shirt is old and torn one rejects it and puts on another shirt, similarly, we all have got spiritual bodies, but that spiritual body has been covered by a material body. When we revive that spiritual body by giving up this material body then we can speak to God face to face just like we are talking now and meet Him directly. krta-punya-punjah. Sakam vijahruh krta-punya-punjah. When the cowherd boys were playing with the Supreme Personality of Godhead at that time Sukadeva Gosvami described like this.

[Transl. That these boys who are playing with the Supreme Lord they are not ordinary boys. Hmm. By accumulating piety from many, many lifetimes they have revived their spiritual bodies and as a result of that they are now playing with the Supreme Lord. This is possible. By awakening the spiritual body, as we talk, play, walk, sit down, dance, eat and drink here, the same reciprocation is possible with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But they have declared God as formless. Finished.

[Transl. No. That's not a fact. That is why the Supreme Personality of Godhead personally descends and enacts His pastimes to convince us that you can also come to Me, play with Me, dance with Me, eat with Me and everything. That is called sanatana-dharma. When we go back to Godhead and play with the Supreme Lord with a body that will never perish, that is called sanatana-dharma. The spirit soul is sanatana: eternal and the Supreme Lord is also sanatana. This is written in the Bhagavad-gita. Eleventh…]

Indian man: Jiva-bhutah sanatanah [Bg 15.7]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Jiva- bhutah sanatanah refers to jivas only. And Arjuna addressed the Supreme Lord as sanatanas tvam. So the Supreme Lord is sanatana. Similarly there is a sanatana-dhama.

[Transl. Paras tasmat tu bhavo 'nyo, Yet there is another nature which is eternal. That is called vaikuntha: spiritual world. Where there is no anxiety. Here it is full of anxiety. No matter how much you enjoy in this world you will always be in anxiety. Always there is an anxiety-what will happen next. What is next? It doesn't matter how rich one is, the anxiety will remain. Why there is anxiety? Sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat. Simply because one has accepted the temporary material object he must be in anxiety.

[Transl. On account of accepting temporary matter one must be in anxiety. Therefore in the Vedas it is said asato ma sad gamaya. Don't remain in asat, temporary, sad gamaya, go to eternal. That is called liberation.So long we will remain in temporary matter the anxiety and the threefold material miseries will continue. Therefore sastra states,

[Transl. We should not act in such a way that we will have to again accept another material body. Because, though this body is temporary, your body, my body, his body, it will last maximum for hundred years. That too with great difficulty. Now I am eighty-one years old, eighty-one. May be a few years more I can live. At the most one hundred years. So nineteen years left. That means I have already died eighty-one years and to die another nineteen years I will have to prepare.

[Transl. So long I will be hankering for material happiness I will be forced to accept material bodies. na sadhu manye yata atmano 'yam asann api klesada, as soon as you accept a material body you must suffer miseries. Starting from the mother's womb up to death. Again you die and again enter into a mother's womb, whether a human's womb, or a demigod's womb, or a king's womb. He must suffer misery in the womb. Then as soon as one is born the miseries continue. Therefore sastra instructs na sadhu manye, this is not a good proposal. Then what should be done? One should perform tapasya. Tapo divyam. [SB 5.5.1] Divyam. That divyam is explained by the Supreme Lord in the Bhagavad-gita. Janma karma ca me divyam. [Bg 4.9]

[Transl. The birth and activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are all transcendental. And to obtain that transcendental object one should undergo austerity.]

[Transl. One who knows the reality that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is not like me. Avajananti mam mudha. [Bg 9.11] Just like the foolish people think that the Supreme Lord is like us. If one understands what is Krsna, why the Supreme Lord descends, why He takes birth?

[Transl. The Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself has revealed all these truths in the Bhagavad-gita. If we spend our lives by realising all these things then, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti, [Bg 4.9] we will no longer accept any more material bodies. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so kaunteya. That is sanatana. We will have eternal life. That is liberation. Muktir hitvanyatha rupam. [SB 2.10.6]

Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Indian man: Svamiji Maharaja ki jaya. [break]

Mahamsa: They will not part with even one thousand rupees. They're exactly what you described. And also these were the people who are with Saṅkaracarya who came the first time when you had come here. They were with Saṅkaracarya. And Hariprasad and some Marwaris were with our movement, and these people were on the other side. So there was some conflict at that time. And Saṅkaracarya came and you...

Prabhupada: Saṅkaracarya, he says that you are bhagavan.

Mahamsa: Yes. Also nirakara. All these things they have been influenced. But the fact that now they are slowly coming to accept us. There is one Mr. Badanman who was the host of Saṅkaracarya, and for two and a half years he never came here, he never entertained the devotees.

Prabhupada: The Saṅkaracarya was poison.

Mahamsa: Yes. But then since last six to seven months, he has been completely convinced about us, and he has been going around collecting money from other Marwaris for the temple construction. He was simply convinced by seeing the "Hare Krsna" film. And by seeing the Deities he was so much taken aback, and he was so much wonderstruck with the Deities which he saw on the film.

Prabhupada: You were also present then?

Mahamsa: Not here. Before, about six to seven months back. I had shown him the film privately in my room. That was the time when he was completely convinced about it, and he started collecting afterwards for us. Now all these people are coming. Because by heart they are all Vaisnavas. All these Marwaris, their Deity is Krsna. And there's not a single Krsna temple in Hyderabad. So last few days...

Prabhupada: Oh, there is no Krsna...

Mahamsa: There is no Krsna temple, what to speak of Radha-Krsna. And their Deity is Krsna, most of the Marwaris. So they will now, slowly, all of them will come. We had a very hard time. This Inani who was wearing the turban. He's the chief of the Marwaris. If he gives five thousand rupees, then all the Marwaris will give five thousand rupees in that Ganj area. Whatever he gives, the others will have to.

Prabhupada: He is the head.

Mahamsa: He's the head. He himself never gave. And we went a hundred times to him.

Prabhupada: And now he saw the film...

Mahamsa: Yes. And today also he was there in the morning. Now he will definitely give. You had also previously said that they are very conservative. But once they take it up, then they will take it up very nicely.

Prabhupada: And I also explained, "Na rupya, na rupya." [laughs] ["bring money, bring money."]

Mahamsa: [laughs] Yes, that's exactly what they do.

Prabhupada: Actually, that is the whole world going on. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4]. [Transl. Bring money somehow or other.] Whole world.

Mahamsa: Beg, borrow, steal.

Prabhupada: Huh? Beg, borrow, steal. Bring money and enjoy. They were selected Marwaris. This morning?

Mahamsa: Yes, these people are the head of the Marwari community. They don't know how to live. They live in these slums, which we saw today. They live all around that area. They are crore-patis. They have crores of rupees.

Prabhupada: To live very gorgeously is not good.

Mahamsa: But even their houses are not so clean-shabby.

Prabhupada: Even though they're not... You cannot say not... They are clean. I have seen in Bombay even the poorest man, his house, and a Parsi gentleman, his house. Kitchen habits. A Parsi's kitchen is so nasty. And here you see this poor man's house, they are neat. Their utensils, how much cleansed. I had been in Parsi kitchen. All the pots black. Nothing is cleansed. For eating they use this china. So clean or unclean cannot be understood. Simply washed. But so far the kitchen pots, all are... In our also, when it is handled by these [chuckles] European, American devotees, the black. Down, it is black. That should not be black. It must be cleansed.

Mahamsa: By the heat, if you use wood, it brings up a lot of soot.

Prabhupada: But it must be cleansed daily.

Mahamsa: It should not come on your finger if you touch it, that black thing.

Prabhupada: Not even you cannot see black, any black spot. Then it is clean. Otherwise not clean. If there's a single black spot, it is not clean. You can see from this poor class of men, how their utensils are cleansed. Before taking water the jug, the waterpot, you'll like to drink water from it. In our school days there were sweeper, they were a different quarter. So you like to sit down. So clean. The sweeper, cleansing the toilet, bhangi. But when you come to his house, living quarter, oh, it is so clean-the bed, the room, the utensils. And they also will take twice, thrice bath, then they will eat. That is the Hindu culture. Even the sweeper class, lowest class. And I have seen one sweeper class who were in Allahabad, regularly worshiping Deity. Very nice worship.

Mahamsa: So a Vaisnava, then.

Prabhupada: They take initiation from the Vrndavana Goswamis and they follow strictly rules and regulations. Cleanliness is very essential. In English also it is said cleanliness is next to godliness. Everything should be, especially temple. It will attract them. And we are singing daily, sri-vigraharadhana-nitya-nana-srṅgara-tan-mandira-marjanadau. Tat-mandira-marjana. Marjana means cleanliness. And want of cleanliness means laziness. If you are lazy you cannot keep clean. "Ah, let me sleep for the time being." That is mode of ignorance. Tamo-guna. So we have to conquer over rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Tada rajas-tamo-bhavah [SB 1.2.19]. Then there is question of coming to the platform suddha, sattvika. Sattvam visuddham vasudeva-sabditam [SB 4.3.23]. Where is this verse? In Caitanya-caritamrta.

Pradyumna: Sattvam visuddham vasudeva-sabditam.

Prabhupada: Maybe Fourth Chapter, Caitanya-caritamrta.

Pradyumna: In the Caitanya-caritamrta is quoted? Adi-lila? [looks for book]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Mahamsa: Shall I go and bring the agreement?

Prabhupada: Yes. The Western world is very busy manufacturing this machine. And they are thinking this is advancement of civilization.

Hari-sauri: Technology.

Prabhupada: That is not advancement.

Hari-sauri: They can't see any use for philosophy and fine arts any more.

Prabhupada: Because they do not know what is soul.

Hari-sauri: They don't know what the point if it is.

Prabhupada: They do not know what is missing, why the body is useless. They do not cultivate. The most important thing they do not cultivate. This man was so important one second before. Now the whole body is useless. It has to be thrown away. They do not give attention even to this, how he becomes... Second before he was Mr. Churchill or Mr. Such-and-such, very important man, all men showing respect. And now he is useless. If somebody kicks on his face nobody will say. Out of sentiment they protest, but the man will not protest.

Hari-sauri: They stick him in the ground. [laughs] Put him in a box.

Prabhupada: But why this happened, this "why" question does not come. They are so dull. What that thing missing? And these rascal scientists will theorize, "The blood becomes white, this becomes that, that becomes that." And do it. If the blood has become white, then make it red. Mix some color or chemical and bring him to life. "No, the life-giving substance is lost." Oh, life-giving substance is not lost. So many germs are coming. Why do you say the life-giving substance is lost? It is there. They do not consider all these things. If matter is life-giving substance, matter is there. Decomposed matter is also matter.

Just like stool-a decomposed remnants of foodstuff. That is also matter. Stool is also matter. The same ksiti, ap, teja, marut, vyoma is there. The earth is there, the water is there, the heat is there. What is the loss there? And actually you see from this matter, from the stool so many worms are coming out. How do you say that the life-giving matter is missing? That you cannot explain. Still they will not accept that the soul is gone. That individual soul is gone. This is their intelligence. Hmm. Give me that stamp. Round stamp. So the post... [break] [end]