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[Hindi conversation with guests, interspersed with laughter]

Prabhupada:

That means [indistinct] That is artificial.

Indian Man: Yes, I can imagine.

Indian Man (2): So what time are you leaving tomorrow morning?

Prabhupada: They said 6:30. [break]

Indian Man (2): Six-thirty.

Indian Man: It was very good, very good.

Prabhupada: They are being very nice, my quarters.

Indian Man (2): Ah.

Indian Man: Oh.

Prabhupada: I thought that it is finished, but it is not yet finished.

Indian Man (2): Then no more touring?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Indian Man (2): No more touring around?

Prabhupada: Very [indistinct].

Indian Man (2): Sparingly.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Indian Man (2): That's good. Your age and health now...

Prabhupada: Yes. I want to return, but one thing is that whatever I have created, it may be turned immediately. They are doing some damage.

Indian Man: Oh, really.

Indian Man (2): How to control things from here?

Prabhupada: Yes. You can control, but still my personal presence...

Indian Man (2): You are expert.

Prabhupada: Just like after the departure of Guru Maharaja, the Gaudiya Matha. That [indistinct]. Fratricidal war.

Indian Man (2): Yes. You have learned from past experience in life, and you are getting on of course [indistinct]. Maybe very...

Prabhupada: Maya is very strong. Maya is very strong. As soon as there is little discrepancy, immediately maya catches.

Indian Man (2): Yeah.

Prabhupada:

So siddhi, I have expressed it all right?

Indian Man (2): Very good. It's very inspiring, very forceful. [laughs]

Prabhupada: [laughing] Thank you.

Indian Man (2): Very forceful.

Prabhupada: They do not know what is siddhi.

Indian Man: Yet everyone is a siddha in India.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Indian Man: Everyone is a siddha.

Indian Man (2): And the bhaktas belong to a low category.

Prabhupada: Hm.

Indian Man (2): They are looked down upon. [laughs]

Prabhupada: Not even the so-called scientists, philosophers. They do not know...

Indian Man (2): Yeah.

Prabhupada: ...what is perfection. How do they know what [indistinct] so proud of their [indistinct]?

Indian Man (2): Yes.

Prabhupada: They do not know what is real perfection of life. Krsna has explained, janma-mrtyu vimukhaya. They [indistinct]. The real solution is this, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi [Bg 13.9]. So the materialistic scientists, philosophers, they do not know that misery can be stopped, because they have no information there is life after death.

[Hindi exchange]

[break] So let your [indistinct] be out.

Indian Man (2): I'll send two more raksas.

Prabhupada: Yes. He'll surrender. [break]

Indian Man (2): ...naradhamah. [laughing heartily]

Prabhupada: "You do not surrender to Krsna; therefore you are naradhamah." So he, he accepted, "Yes, I am naradhamah." [laughter] After, he invited him: "Come here. We shall talk about Krsna, and we shall prove that you are naradhamah." So he avoided to see. [laughter] Now they are going to attack directly these so-called professors and philosophers and scientists. That is our next program. We may or may not be able to come out successful, but that is my next attempt. Just like we are going to present the thesis that life is from life, not from matter. In general, scientific view is that life is from matter.

Now, the Krsna says that bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano, bhinna me prakrtir astadha [Bg 7.4]. So it has emanated from Krsna. Yato va imani bhutani jayante [Taittiriya Upanisad 3.1]. This is the statement of the Vedas and... So how would you explain that a person can produce such huge quantity of material things, at least to make them understand how it is produced from the person? These are to be scientifically explained, wherefrom so much vast mass of water came. That you have to explain scientifically. Otherwise, how they will accept? Simply by saying, "It has come from Krsna," they will not accept.

Guest (1) [Indian man]: Yes. We have to convince them about the method of approach.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): We have to convince them that the method of...

Prabhupada: If these boys, in their scientific language, they try to convince, that will be more effective.

Guest (1): More effective. Yes.

Prabhupada: We are generally speaking that "Water has come from Krsna" or "The earth has come from Krsna." That may be blind. But if it is scientifically presented how it has come from Krsna, then they cannot refute so easily. So that I am engaging this Doctor of Chemistry, Svarupa Damodara, and Raya Ramananda. Caitanya Mahaprabhu's two personal associates, Svarupa Damodara and Ramananda. [laughs]

Guest (1): Yes, and Raya Ramananda. Very, very strange coincidence.

Prabhupada: What is that verse? Idam hi pumsas srutasya va...

[aside:] You find out this verse. You have to find out the... No, no, from here. You have to take the index. Where is Pandita? Pandita is not here?

Guest (1): Pradyumnaji. Pradyumna. You call him pandita? [laughs]

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): Rightly so.

Prabhupada: He is American pandita. Panditji?

Srutakirti: He is out. Taking darsana.

Prabhupada: Oh, he's out.

Guest (1): He came to me today, asked for a copy of Harinamamrta-vyakarana, which we have...

Prabhupada: Hmm. You find out the verse: idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va.

This is required. If you are a great scientist, you just glorify the qualities of Uttama-sloka. Then it is perfect. Simply you remain a scientist among some people, but you cannot describe about Krsna, then your scientific knowledge... Idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va. Tapasah srutasya va suktasya sv-istasya ca buddhi-dattayoh. Namany anantasya yaso 'ṅki... [SB 1.5.11]. What is that?

Guest (1): We have to go.

Prabhupada: All right.

Guest (1): We have to attend a Bhagavata-patha, at 3.30.

Prabhupada: Where?

Guest (1): Radha-Damodara.

Prabhupada: Accha. So who is reading?

Guest (1): Nrsimhananda Goswami.

Prabhupada: Accha. This verse is very important verse.

Guest (1): Very important.

Prabhupada: Huh. Idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va. Idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va sv-istasya suktasya ca buddhi-dattayoh [SB 1.5.22].

Gurudasa: That volume is packed, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: All right. Namany anantasya yaso 'ṅkitani yad avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupitah [SB 1.5.11]. Nirupita means it is already decided. The perfection of your education is this. What is that? Namany anantasya. Anantasya, namany. Yasah aṅkitani. Yasah. That is perfection. If your scientific knowledge, philosophical knowledge, cannot establish the glories of the Supreme Lord...

Guest (1): Then they are useless.

Prabhupada: Useless. Avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupitah. It is already taken. Nirupita means there is no argument. It is already concluded.

Guest (1): Your business is not to prove or disprove, but to glorify Him. Glorify Him.

Prabhupada: Yes. By your knowledge. If you are scientist, you are chemist, through chemical challenge you try to glorify the Supreme Lord. If you are physist, from physical point of view, try to explain. If you are scientist... Anyway, because ultimate... Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg 15.15]. Any knowledge, that is... You have to approve the Supreme. That is real perfect knowledge. And at the present moment, men of knowledge, they are rejecting. Because they cannot explain, they are rejecting. They do not bother.

Guest (1): They do not bother. Modern science has cleared the deck very much for religion. They are not so dogmatic as the old scientists used to be.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Guest (1): Modern science has cleared the deck very much for religion. They are not so dogmatic as the old scientists used to be.

Prabhupada: What do they say now?

Guest (1): Well, you see, the modern scientific discoveries have led to the stage at which the science can no more say that religion is humbug. Now they say, "Well, we do not know. Honestly speaking, that is the position," they say.

Prabhupada: That is good.

Guest (1): Yes. "We do not know. We know thus far, and not beyond." So that's a great achievement. That's a great achievement.

Prabhupada: No. At least they should not teach, because they do not know.

Guest (1): Well, the topmost scientists, the topmost scientists are much saner now. They don't make...

Prabhupada: Yes. But the best thing will be, they may not talk all nonsense.

Guest (1): They don't talk nonsense.

Prabhupada: If they admit they do not know, why do they speak so much?

Guest (1): One scientist has said about matter, he says, "Matter is I know not what." This is his definition of matter. "Matter is I know not what." So no more dogmatism. No more dogmatism.

Prabhupada: [aside:] So you can distribute some prasada.

Yes. Another verse there is:

Lady Guest (2): [Hindi]

Prabhupada: Jaya. Hare Krsna.

Guest (3): [Hindi]

Prabhupada: [Hindi]

Guest (1): I suppose you will come now when this thing is constructed.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (1): We shall try to construct it as fast as...

Prabhupada: Quickly.

Guest (1): Let us expedite this so that Prabhupada may come again very soon. [Hindi conversation]

Gurudasa: Yes. Without [indistinct] work.

[background dialog among disciples] [break]

Indian Man (3): Bhagavat-dharma viman…

Prabhupada: [Sanskrit]

Indian Man (3): Which, the same sloka still?

Indian Man (2): The same sloka.

Indian Man (3): He is just at the same sloka.

Indian Man (2): Same sloka. [laughter]

Indian Man (3): [indistinct]. [break]

Indian Man (2): Around the ninth?

Prabhupada: Ninth.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Indian Man (2): Ninth.

Indian Man (2): How long you are here?

Gurudasa: Ten days.

Indian Man (2): Ten days. [break]

Prabhupada: ...that is siddhi. To be engaged in the service to Lord Krsna. That is siddhi. All other siddhi is useless.

Gurudasa: Hm.

Prabhupada: It can be [indistinct]. Krsna said, dharma-siddhaye. Krsna says siddhi. That is siddhi. [break]

Prabhupada: So who are going?

Gurudasa: Myself, Your Divine Grace, Brahmananda Svami and Srutakirti.

Prabhupada: And Pandit?

Gurudasa: And Panditji.

[break] A vehicle would be very good, because it takes an hour to get to Mathura, and we're doing many things in Mathura.

Prabhupada: No, no. Car is all right, but sometimes these taxis, they are very unclean.

Gurudasa: Yes. So we will clean it if it is unclean, tomorrow.

Prabhupada: So how you will clean?

Gurudasa: Water, rags.

Prabhupada: That is… It will take time.

[break] It is all right, but sometimes, especially in Vrndavana, they do not get many customers, and they purchase some old car. So you cannot expect Vrndavana taxi company very nice.

Brahmananda: But since you have written the Krsna Book, they have gotten many customers.

Prabhupada: Oh?

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: How?

Gurudasa: Because so many people are coming to Vrndavana.

Prabhupada: I changed this?

Gurudasa: Yes. There are now, Brahmananda Svami and I counted, there are about twenty foreigners, besides us, here.

Prabhupada: Hm. [break] [indistinct].

Gurudasa: Subsidiaries. [break]

Prabhupada: ...tapes can be made by making work. And what he will make? What is this? [break] actually [indistinct]. What do you think?

[break] …nice colony of European and American devotees. And you will remain. What Balarama says?

[break] …sentiment this Karoli Baba. Nim Karoli...

Gurudasa: Nim Karoli Baba.

Prabhupada: What is that meaning, Nim Karoli?

Gurudasa: I don't know? [break]

Prabhupada: ...it is very difficult to wash it. Therefore Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said, mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva nasa. One who once hears mayavadi, mayavadi-bhasya, he is doomed. His life is spoiled.

[break] …Svami, and we give you one room, down. That room, not this room. My, not my sitting room; my cooking room. And he was [indistinct], settle up. [break] …these.

Gurudasa: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. But you cannot give up. Now this exchange. Are you, Gauracand Goswami? Now [indistinct] that, this is Damodara's property. You give us some rent. So, if he is authorized to take, we can give. [break] And if you think that you do not require that, then... You told me that we required that for [indistinct] office.

Gurudasa: Hm. [break]

Prabhupada: For space you do not require.

Gurudasa: No.

Prabhupada: But for sentimental reason, because I was there.

Gurudasa: Ahh. Sacred. It's sacred.

Prabhupada: So, that is also important thing.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. So therefore separate purpose, those down two rooms required. Even you cannot change that also. The cooking. Is it not?

Gurudasa: Hm. [break]

Prabhupada: But by all means we shall try to keep these.

Gurudasa: Hm. Both.

Prabhupada: Yes. If not, we can exchange one. This is the policy.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Not that we can give them.

Gurudasa: No.

Prabhupada: That should be. [break]

Gurudasa: …came from Madana-mohana.

Prabhupada: He sent this [indistinct] to me…

Gurudasa: Mm.

Prabhupada: …Pancanatha?

Gurudasa: What is Pancanatha's interest?

Prabhupada: He said that he wants to live there.

Gurudasa: I think, maybe. [break] Ah.

Prabhupada: It has been proved in the court, he was prostitute's son. He has no claim to the father's property. [break] …[indistinct], that's very nice job.

Gurudasa: Hm.

Prabhupada: This is simply protocol...

Gurudasa: Hm.

Prabhupada: ...but… [break] …that any son [indistinct].

Gurudasa: Yeah, any [indistinct]. Hm. [break]

Prabhupada: Make capati from bajra.

Gurudasa: Hm. Very good.

Prabhupada: At least take one capati from bajra...

Gurudasa: Ah.

Prabhupada: ...and one capati of chickpea flour.

Gurudasa: Oh, besan.

Prabhupada: Besan. It will keep your body very heated.

Gurudasa: Yes. Bajra especially is very... [break]

Devotee (4): You arrive there tomorrow morning, so we're just packing some books.

Prabhupada: Alright.

[break]

Gurudasa: If he doesn't, we get immediately...

Prabhupada: [indistinct]. [break] ...siddhi.

Devotee (5): I should simply talk to him.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]? No. Oh. Can you replay that? [break] [end]