Morning Walk – September 16, 1972, Los Angeles

720916MW-Los Angeles [38:07 Minutes]

Future is known-this is the future

Prabhupada: ...side, very painful. Little, little. A small tree [indistinct; waves crashing on beach in background] Geonkhali, Geonkhali. That place is known as Geonkhali.

Devotee: [Hindi]

Prabhupada: [Hindi] Near, almost near the sea.

Svarūpa Damodara: I saw in an article, Srila Prabhupada, one scientist said… This is a very widely-read paper; it is published to all scientists all over the world. That article says, "Scientists from the unknowable future."

Prabhupada: What is the idea?

Svarūpa Damodara: They are very much worried about the future, all the scientists. So they are saying that in future the energy supply is going to be exhausted. Yes. Food supply and all the activities are going to be very limited, and they say that future is really unknowable; it's not known. It won't be known.

Prabhupada: It is known to us. It is not known to them. We can see everything. We can speak about the future from Bhagavata, everything. You can write one article, that "Future is known-this is the future." I'll give you the ideas. What is his name, who has written this article?

Svarūpa Damodara: This man? This is a general paper, so they don't mention the writer of the... This was... There was a meeting in Philadelphia about few months ago called "American Association for Advancement of Science." So all the scientists all over the world, they come together and discuss topics about several... It is called "Science in the Society," and they discuss several things. The primary concern of most of the scientists is the..., what is going to happen in the future. They always worry about that.

Prabhupada: What they will help?

Svarūpa Damodara: So they said, so far as the energy supply is concerned, they can hope from three things. One is from the coal and the natural gas supply. They said that is going to end...

Prabhupada: When you say about natural gas, then where is it guaranteed? Because he is depending on nature. All the supply is from nature. Natural gas, where is the guarantee that natural gas will be supplied always? Where is the guarantee?

Svarūpa Damodara: There is no guarantee.

Prabhupada: Then? That is another foolishness. They think, future, that every energy is being diminished, supply is diminished. Under the circumstances, how he can put forward another condition of nature to make a solution? This is another foolishness. If I am getting supply from him and he is limiting the supply, how I can expect another supply from him will solve the question? This is another foolishness. If you are dependent on nature, then why you are thinking that this, this will solve?

Svarūpa Damodara: And the second source, they said, from nuclear energy. Like these... So by exploding the atomic bombs there are a lot of energy, er, evolved, and that energy can be utilized for peaceful purpose, for useful purpose.

Prabhupada: And that is also dependent on nature.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes. And the third source, ultimately their final hope, is for the solar energy coming from the sun.

Prabhupada: Solar energy-everything is coming from solar energy. So,

Solar energy, there is asesa, unlimited temperature. But we know that the solar energy will be so intense that at the end, you scientists will not have to endeavor; you will be finished.

Svarūpa Damodara: That is annihilation?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the beginning of annihilation. First of all the solar energy will be so intense that everything will be burned. For hundred years this energy will simply increase, increase, increase, and everything will be burned into ashes. Then after the solar energy being increased, the all the oceans and all the water will be transformed into clouds. And then there will be rain. And when there will be rain, the whole thing will be water only. That is devastation. This is called pralaya. Pralaya-payodhi jale [Dasavatara Stotra 1]. This is... This devastation is periodical. But the last devastation is that even there will be no water.

Svarūpa Damodara: There will be no water?

Prabhupada: No, that water will be also evaporated. And gradually it will go to the ultimate source of energy, Visnu.

Karandhara: That's the end of Brahma's life?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Karandhara: At the end of Brahma's daytime there is pralaya with the water?

Prabhupada: That is water full. So we know everything.

Svarūpa Damodara: Scientifically it sounds also very reasonable.

Prabhupada: Hah?

Svarūpa Damodara: Scientifically... For example, when there is a very strong heat, necessarily the water evaporates.

Karandhara: As soon as it rains, then again things start flowing.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Karandhara: That's scientific.

Prabhupada: Everything is scientific; they are not bogus. They are real scientific. Here, only speculating. [pause]

[break] Your speculation for solving the problem is useless. Nature will go on with its work. You cannot stop.

Svarūpa Damodara: We see every day the waves always moving. The force of nature.

Prabhupada: Daivi hy esa guna-mayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg 7.14]. You cannot stop nature's force. That is not possible. You can simply surrender to God, and He can give you in any circumstance. That is the only way. Pralaya-payodhi-jale dhrtavan asi vedam [Dasavatara Stotra 1]. [noisy waves]

Svarūpa Damodara: So all these people spend their time, whole time, in worrying about future.

Prabhupada: Yes. They will worry, and they will be annihilated at the same time. Because they have no shelter. That is the future.

Karandhara: They spend all their time worrying about death, but they don't do anything. They can't stop it.

Prabhupada: Yes. Simply being worried about death, does it mean that death will be stopped?

Karandhara: No.

Prabhupada: So why they are wasting their time?

Svarūpa Damodara: Is this...

Prabhupada: Befooling themselves and befooling others. But you cannot do it. You cannot do anything. Why you are worried? We are not worried. We are confident that everything will happen by nature's course. But we will be saved by Krsna. That's all. We are not worried. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti kaunteya [Bg 4.9]. If we actually become Krsna conscious, then after this body you are going to back to home, back to Godhead, Krsna, where there is no question of worry. Vaikuntha-without any worries. Vaikuntha means "without any worries."

Svarūpa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada answered yesterday about the why these people worry for future generations.

Prabhupada: Ah?

Svarūpa Damodara: Srila Prabhupada answered that the living entity is by nature..., wants to be eternally happy.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: But we are encaged in this material body. So we do not know how to find the real happiness.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: Ah. At the same time these people are worrying for their generations. Is that also their service?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Svarūpa Damodara: Is it also their..., some sort of service?

Prabhupada: No. No. That is some sort of service, but this service is misled.

Svarūpa Damodara: Because they miss the central point.

Prabhupada: Just like they are trying to give service to stop disease, death, but where is the solution? People are dying; people are being attacked. So they do not know how to give service.

They are proud, they are puffed-up by their paltry scientific knowledge, and they are thinking, "This will solve." So if foolish men try to make a solution of a great problem, that is useless. They do not accept that they are foolish rascal. They cannot do it. That is their fault.

Svarūpa Damodara: It is because they are missing the real central point.

Prabhupada: Yes. They do not know how to make a solution.

Karandhara: They are cheaters.

Prabhuapda: Yes. Cheaters. Actually they have no knowledge, and they are trying to give knowledge. That is their cheating. They do not admit their imperfectness of knowledge, but they want to give some knowledge, and they are passing on as scientist and philosopher and leaders and getting good, good salary, big salary, making experiment, going to moon planet-simply spoiling money. And poor people are being exacted of the taxes, and they are enjoying life. That's all.

They are practically simply exploiting the innocent people, that's all, by their forward of so-called scientific knowledge and their resources, income. The government is doing that, and government is supporting all this nonsense. And they will not take actual knowledge.

When actual knowledge we want to give, they are not very serious: "Ah, these people are sentimental. We are scientist." Oh, what, scientists, you have done? Nonsense. [laughs] That is their fault. They do not accept their nonsensical theories.

Therefore Krsna says, "First of all surrender, you rascal. Then talk of knowledge." Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam [Bg 18.66]. Sarva-dharman means including science, philosophy, all this. Sarva-dharman: "Surrender. I shall give you all protection."

That they will not. The solution is there, but they will not accept. Here is the solution: Krsna says, "I give you protection. You surrender." But this process they will not accept. They will not surrender to God. They will suffer, and their followers will suffer. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanas [SB 7.5.31]: blind leader leading other blind men. So how they will get relief? Both the leader and the followers will go to hell. That's all.

Svarūpa Damodara: So that means the right person from whom the real knowledge can be...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: ...obtained.

Prabhupada: Yes. Right person means Krsna. He is missing Krsna. Asuras. Na mam duskrtino mūḍhaḥ prapadyante naradhamaḥ [Bg 7.15]: lowest of the mankind, miscreants, rascals and atheist. This class of men will never surrender. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. So we take them…

They may advertise themselves as very advanced scientist, but we take them: miscreants, rascal, lowest of the mankind and lost of real knowledge. That is our definition for them. Not that unnecessarily we are appeasing them, glorying them. What Krsna says, we are simply repeating Krsna's words. That's all.

If Krsna is authority, if Krsna is God, then these four words for them are facts. Because we can see by the symptoms they will never surrender to God; therefore they come to these four categories of men: miscreants, rascals, lowest of the mankind and lost of real knowledge.

Real knowledge, athato brahma-jijnasa. Let them inquire about the supreme source of everything. That they are neglecting. They cannot answer. Everything "perhaps," "maybe." But here is the supreme source present. He says, aham sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvam pravartate [Bg 10.8], that the..., aham asama-agre [SB 2.9.33]. These things they will not accept.

You know that this material nature is subjected to annihilation. We see, just like this body is born at a certain date and it will be finished at a certain date; similarly the whole cosmic body is born at a certain date and it will be finished at a certain date. Why they are bothering? It will be finished. That is the nature.

Anything material you see, it is born, it stays for some times and it is lost. So why they are trying to protect it? What is their power? He is also one of the product of this material nature. His body is also a product of this material nature. So how he can he explain that he can make a solution of this annihilation? That is not possible. My body will be finished, and this finger is a part of the body. So can the finger save the body?

Svarūpa Damodara: No.

Prabhupada: So similarly, material nature will be finished. So I am part of material nature. How I can save the material nature? Just see. They have no even common sense. What I am? I am one of the insignificant part of this huge cosmic manifestation. So how can I save? You understand? Tell this rascal scientist.

Say, "What you are? What is your brain? It is a teeny substance within the material creation. The material creation will be lost. So how by your teeny creation of this material world you can save it? What is the value of your brain?" Eh? The vast... Now this sand, and if you take one…

Svarūpa Damodara: Handful

Prabhupada: ...handful of, "I'll make it nice," how it can be? They do not understand their teeny position.

Svarūpa Damodara: But practically the so-called modern world is all guided by these people.

Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore they are called andha yathandhair upa... [SB 7.5.31]. They are blind-they have no real knowledge-and they are trying to guide others. They are also blind. They are thinking, "Oh, he has passed M.Sc. He is doctor of science. Oh, he is very big man." [laughter] And they are exploiting them, getting money. But real knowledge is not there.

Everywhere, this way they are cheating people simply. In religious life also. These rascals, "Guru-ji has come. He says there is no need of book; he is self-sufficient," and people are following him. They have no sense that every education is obtained through books. Where is that educated man who has never read a book? But these rascals, they say, "No. There is no need of book." They do not see that what he has done wonderful-except cheating the people.

He remain in the same darkness after meeting these people, and still we say, "Oh, here is God." People have become so lowest degree intelligence. So naturally they are cheated by so-called scientists, so-called religionists, so-called avatara, so-called philosopher. All people are simply cheated. Simply cheated. My Guru Maharaja therefore used to say, "The whole society is a combination of cheaters and the cheated."

We are just presenting Bhagavad-gita as it is. No cheating. Take it as it is and you will be saved. Why you are worried? Here it is. [getting into car] Actually we are simply trying to save these people.

Svarūpa Damodara: If everybody is Krsna conscious, there would be no problem. [break]

Prabhupada: Not everyone. Even one percent, the leaders. The whole world will be [indistinct] by one percent, a little percent. All the leaders [indistinct]. Just like if presidents, the leaders of the nations… So how many presidents are there? Huh? A few; you can count them there on your finger. The leading people, if they understand thoroughly, then everything will change. Everything will be happy. But they're miscreants, simply maintaining slaughterhouse, and they want to be saved.

The criminal, murderer, wants to be saved. He can save himself by cheating the law of the state, but how he can be saved from the law of God? So all these miscreants, criminals, they are trying to cheat themselves and higher authority, and they want to be saved. Simply wasting time-and getting money. These rascals, they waste their time and others' time. And in exchange they get good money. So why they will not do this business?

Just like he went to a lawyer. He says, "Everyone has got his own opinion." [laughter] Then why he wants to come to you? Why you are lawyer? I have got my opinion. I can say to the court, "This is my opinion." I can speak. Why the need for him? Will it be accepted because it is my opinion? If it is not possible to give my opinion in ordinary laws, how I can give opinion in the ultimate laws, God's law?

Karandhara: The philosophy is even if the opinion is right or wrong, the majority rules. Whoever has the majority opinion...

Prabhupada: Therefore I was explaining. The majority is dogs, hogs, camel and asses. The majority are like these animals, and if their vote is many, then you are a big dog, samstutaḥ purusaḥ pasuḥ [SB 2.3.19]. Therefore their election is another big animal, that's all. Election by these cats, dogs, hogs, camel means another big animal. So what we can expect from the animal? [japa] Vivekananda was telling, in religion everyone has his own opinion: yato mat tato path. Was it not?

Svarūpa Damodara: Swami Vivekananda?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Karandhara: "As many paths, as many ways."

Prabhupada: Yes. As many paths [indistinct]. But Krsna does not say that. Krsna says, mam ekam: "Only surrender unto Me." He never says. But he became more than Krsna, this rascal Vivekananda. That is the difficulty. India is spoiled with this Vivekananda especially. This man spoiled the whole Indian culture. Yato mat tato path.

The Mayavadis, Mayavadi philosophers are like that. Now they are saying, "Bhaktivedanta Swami simply stresses on Krsna. He is spoiling the Hindu dharma." That is their propaganda. Yes. Because I am stressing on Krsna, so they take it otherwise, that "He is spoiling Hindu dharma."

Svarūpa Damodara: This is in India, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Svarūpa Damodara: This is the opinion of the so-called Indians?

Prabhupada: Yes. Indians, the so-called. There are many sannyasis, they are saying recently in Hyderabad they are saying. They have not taken my name; they have taken this "Europeans, American Vaisnavas, Hare Krsna people, they are spoiling Hindu religion." And somebody said, "Unfortunately, their leader is an Indian."

Svarūpa Damodara: Oh, really?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: Because they are very envious. Because they are completely envious.

Prabhupada: Yes. They are envious. So in India there are my enemies. In this country also, there are my enemies. Simply Krsna is protecting. But I don't find any protest from this country. Was there anyone else?

Karandhara: [indistinct] intelligent class.

Prabhupada: In Hyderabad there was protest in support of, by [indistinct].

Svarūpa Damodara: But why does Krsna [indistinct] success...? Why does Krsna...

Prabhupada: Yes. That is my only hope. Otherwise how I can declare this war alone against all svamis, all yogis, all pseudoreligionists, all politicians, all leaders, all scientist? So our business is to protest against all of them. What is this business? Very unhappy, hard task. My Guru Maharaja did it. And my Godbrother supported that I am killing Hinduism also.

Svarūpa Damodara: Oh.

Prabhupada: He has mentioned that here the Gauḍiya-sampradaya, they also say that these people are spoiling.

Karandhara: This man, Mr. Patel, he says that this bhakti-marg, this is simply... He said, "Prabhupada is teaching this to us because we are so low class that actually the higher class is beyond…"

Svarūpa Damodara: Who is that? Patel?

Karandhara: An Indian man who comes to the temple. The first thing you learn in Bhakti-yoga...

Prabhupada: Oh, he said like that?

Karandhara: Yes. "Bhakti-yoga is only for the low class, unintelligent," that's what he said. "And in India they..."

Prabhupada: Let him come; I shall talk. Krsna said, bhaktya mam abhijanati [Bg 18.55]: by bhakti one can understand. So one who understands Krsna, is he low class? And you become high-class? And then?

Svarūpa Damodara: He simply shows his ignorance, man who says like that.

Karandhara: He does not say "Krsna"; he says "the god." He says Krsna, Siva, whatever name, "the god."

Prabhupada: "The god." Does Bhagavad-gita say like that? Krsna says anya-devata, and He is decrying the worship of other demigods. Kamais tais tair hrta-jnanaḥ [Bg 7.20]. He says hrta-jnanaḥ, lost of knowledge, they go to other demigods. In another place He says, na mam duskrtino mūḍhaḥ [Bg 7.15]:

"Only the lowest of the mankind does not surrender to Me." Another place He says, "One who has actually, wise-attained wisdom, He surrenders to Me." So how he can be [indistinct]? [break]

Svarūpa Damodara: The demons... [break] [end]